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GTA IV was the top game of April, though Nintendo ruled all once again in hardware

Lately, the NPD monthly console sales figures all start off the same way with Nintendo on top. The figures for April are no exception, with the Wii and DS planted solidly in first and second place.

The Wii sold a stunning 714,000 units, almost matching the 721,000 it did in March. On top of the still strong-selling Super Smash Bros. Brawl, April also had the release of Mario Kart Wii to add to the Nintendo mascot-fuelled software frenzy. The upcoming release of Wii Fit will only boost Wii sales even higher, if such a thing were possible.

“Wii sales were buoyed in part by the strong launch of Mario Kart Wii, which sold more than 1.1 million units,” said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America’s EVP of sales and marketing. “Our belief in appealing to a broad, diverse audience of players continues to resonate with consumers, and we look forward to continuing our outreach to an expanded audience with the launch of Wii Fit next week.”

The DS sold 414,000 handhelds, well behind the 698,000 units it did in the month prior, but still well ahead of all the competitors.

Sony’s handheld took up third place once again with 192,000 sold – strange for a month where no PSP game appeared on the top ten best-selling games.

Surprisingly, Grand Theft Auto IV’s release at the end of the month didn’t seem to stir high-definition console sales as much as most were expecting. Both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 sold roughly the same number of hardware.

Microsoft’s console was just ever so slightly ahead with 188,000 Xbox 360s sold, while the PlayStation 3 was right next to it with 187,100 sold. Both consoles sold fewer units than it did in the previous month, when the Xbox 360 at 262,000 units and PlayStation 3 selling 257,000.

Despite the slowing sales, Sony seemed pleased by the sales improvement over a year ago. “Clearly, the tremendous legacy of Grand Theft Auto on PlayStation, combined with the blockbuster launch of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue packed a one-two punch with consumers at retail this month. The proof is in the numbers and, in April, PlayStation 3 hardware sales experienced a 127% increase over April of last year,” said Jack Tretton, president and CEO of SCEA.

The PlayStation 2 was still alive with 124,400 sold, but also down from 216,000 units in March.

Without a doubt the biggest game of April, despite being released the last few days of the month, was Grand Theft Auto IV for the Xbox 360 with 1.85 million copies sold. Mario Kart Wii took second place with an impressive 1.12 million. PlayStation 3 owners also bought 1 million of Grand Theft Auto IV to push that version to third place.



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Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 9:32:18 AM , Rating: 4
I expected based on the title that 360 and PS3 GTA4 sales numbers would be nearly identical... As it turns out Microsoft very nearly does has the 2:1 sales advantage they claimed... Oh well, console wars rage on...




RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By SandmanWN on 5/16/2008 9:35:11 AM , Rating: 2
If there are more xbox360's out there then why would you expect the sales to be even?

It makes more sense with the 1+ year lead on xbox360 sales that there would be more people buying the xbox360 edition of GTA4.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 9:39:41 AM , Rating: 2
Regardless of the launch time lead, the 360 version sold more. That effects things down the road.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By SandmanWN on 5/16/2008 9:42:45 AM , Rating: 3
Uh the launch time lead gave them more consoles in the market. Obviously that leads to more people needing to buy the game to play on those consoles. Its not a regardless fact, its the cause.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Elementalism on 5/16/2008 9:44:05 AM , Rating: 1
xBox doesnt have 2x the consoles in the market.


By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 9:47:37 AM , Rating: 4
they are saying they sold 2x as many copies of GTA and they are approx. right


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By SandmanWN on 5/16/08, Rating: 0
RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By FITCamaro on 5/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By quaiky on 5/16/2008 10:08:12 AM , Rating: 5
if you talk about worldwide consoles then you should also take worldwide numbers for gta which are till 10th may 4.4million on 360 and 3.3 million on ps3. which means a 4:3 sales ratio by only a 3:2 split so i guess its doing betetr on ps3 than on xbox.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By omnicronx on 5/16/2008 10:46:56 AM , Rating: 5
In the end sales are sales, and regardless of the install base ratio, the 360 version has more sales. I am pretty sure thats what rockstar cares about, and shows that a GTAIV PS3 exclusive would have probably been a bad idea.


By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 12:17:40 PM , Rating: 2
The truth apparently hurts.


By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 4:42:24 PM , Rating: 1
If these figures are right then assuming R* went PS3 exclusive with this title they would have gotten what, just over 1/3 of the revenue they got? Yeah, I'm sure these kinds of sales are going to really encourage R* to develop future GTA games as PS3 exclusives.


By phattyboombatty on 5/16/2008 9:58:29 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
why would you expect the sales to be even?


Maybe not even, but I would expect it to be a lot closer than it was. The PS3 software library is smaller than the 360's, so I would have thought a higher percentage of PS3 owners would purchase the game than 360 owners, simply because there aren't as many good games for the PS3. Also, there is certain level of brand affiliation beween Playstation and GTA, so I thought PS3 owners would be more likely to pick up the game. Also, Sony's earlier statements about the sales ratio(which everyone takes with a big grain of salt)was that the ratio was less than 60:40.


By morose on 5/16/2008 12:56:38 PM , Rating: 5
What would be interesting for me to see are how many PS3 owners are also 360 owners. I have both. My biggest gaming friends have both, and those who don't have both have just the 360. I don't know of anyone amongst my 12 or so RL acquaintances that game who has just a PS3.

So, given one of the big adds for this version of GTA was multiplayer, and given the Xbox's dominance in that arena, I'm not surprised that folks are picking it up for their 360's instead of their PS3's. They want the biggest possible group of people to play online with. Hence another possible contributor to the 360 version outselling the PS3 version by such a margin.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By sweetsauce on 5/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
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By timmiser on 5/16/2008 4:38:41 PM , Rating: 2
I would never had bought a PS3 just for the gaming... But I did need a blue ray player and the PS3 was the best choice for that function so now, here I am, one of those suckers owning two hi-def gaming systems.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 9:37:10 AM , Rating: 2
It says the hardware sales were the same, not the game sales. So yes you read it wrong.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 10:03:33 AM , Rating: 2
I kind of mentally connected GTA and 360 and PS3 being tied for sales when I first glanced at the title. If sony could have pulled that off it would have been great for them... As it is it just further hammer's home sony's 3rd placeness... And while I know not every PS3 gamer beleived this, there were a few hard core fans out there talking this up like GTA was going to be the PS3 miricle game, like people would just go run out and buy up PS3's left and right with the GTA launch and the 360 would finally be left in the dust.

Clearly, this didn't happen.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By quaiky on 5/16/2008 10:11:55 AM , Rating: 2
the us is the land of the 360, in europe gta4 is selling better on ps3 than on 360, and there its also selling quite a few consoles (especially ps3s).


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 10:22:56 AM , Rating: 4
Is the US really "the land of the 360" or the land less likely to have prejudice against microsoft? MS is hardly very popular in Europe, they really are the company you love to hate particularly there. In Asia, the platform still lacks enough compelling content for the market.

I'm guessing that the US is where the 360 has the most equal footing. It has both the content that western gamers enjoy, and doesn't have to content with as much "ZOMG YOUR GOING TO BUY M$ HARDWARE??"... Thus, the 360 has a massive sales lead due largely yes, to the fact that it was released earlier...

But not in the sense that many think, i.e. well they just had longer to sell hardware, that's only part of the eq. It really is the larger game library. It just has a wider variaty than the PS3.

Anyway, I'm already pretty sure this post is going to get voted to -1, but regardless I will say that I think the PS3 is a fine console and that it's on my future purchases list. And the fact that the PS3 has manged to come back from absolutly abysmal sales performace to really giving MS a run for their money clearly speaks of the quality of the hardware.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By quaiky on 5/16/2008 10:33:37 AM , Rating: 2
atm PS3 and 360 sales in us seem to be closely tied and i guess that will stay till next pricedrop. major releases on one or other console will give small spikes but overall they will probably sell about same as before.

in europe ps3 seems to gain more and more advantages, in some contries there they allready have more consoles sold than 360.
not sure why 360 did not get as much a starting advantage there than it had in us, it might really be the microsoft is bad thing. but i highly doubt that thats all, most people still use windows, and microsoft keyboards and mouses sell good here too.


By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 10:52:52 AM , Rating: 2
At least looking at it from this side of the pond, it seems clear that there's a much greater linux push over in Europe than there ever would be here. I can guess at many reasons for that, everything from microsoft being persived as the evil corperation and Linux being persived as the great liberator etc... Anyway, a lot of the computing news making it across the pond here is decidedly anti-microsoft, particularly anything to do with EU antitrust (yikes will anything make them happy?). Perhaps my view is just colored, but there's a strong sense of that.

Annnyway, the 360 situation over here really makes a lot more sense to me. It was released first, it has more games and stole a great number of former exclusives (major ones i.e. Guitar Hero, GTA, Assasins Creed) from the playstation platform really negating a lot of the reason some might have had to buy a PS3. For instance take all those "PS2" owners that were talked about around the GTA launch, how they were supposed to buy up PS3's enmass and murder the 360.. That didn't happen, why? Maybe the fact that some of them might already own 360's and can just buy GTA for that kind of killed that buzz.

End result? The PS3 might be one heck of a console (it truely is, no denying) but it needs huge exclusives. I see MSG being a great seller for the platform. The one that really has me wanting a PS3 is God of War.


By TimberJon on 5/16/2008 6:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
Bull$hit! Quality of the hardware what??

The hardware blows as the same game when converted or created with an Xbox360 SDK would have BETTER graphics and run a little faster.

Clearly, it is the GAME ITSELF and the Software Developer that sells the game and therefore causes console sales to increase.

If a console was created and marketed but there were no games for it.. it would not sell. When a console IS made, software developers learn the product well, get an SDK and either run with archived plans, or go to the drawing board to make one. But if the games suck, nobody will buy consoles.

People bought original Xbox's because they HAD to play Halo. After playing it at a friends house way too many times, you had to have one. Blood wake? interesting but wouldnt make me buy the console. Other games? Fusion Frenzy? C'mon that came free. Any other great titles at launch? I don't remember, because everyone had tunnel vision aboard the Pillar of Autumn.


By robinthakur on 5/19/2008 10:46:23 AM , Rating: 2
I think you're being overly harsh here. Whilst the EU imposed punitive fines on MS for anti competitive practice (in its esteemed technical opionion...) don't take this to mean that Europe (including the UK) are not big supporters of MS and that we all push Linux. Nothing could be further from the truth! I've never worked for an organisation in the UK that uses Linux to a big degree and on the desktop you'd have to search very far to find something not based on MS for similar reasons to the US, namely supportability. Mind you we are talking the UK here and we try and do the exact opposite of the EU on principle generally.

Games on the 360 seem more targetted at stinking Gaijin...ummm I mean western gamers to me who was raised on a diet of seminal japanese games :) than Sony's and Nintendo's consoles. I think this follows from the 360 taking alot of PC content from the PC than any other reason. Mind you Nintendo seems to be eschewing their traditional market more and more these days. Makes me sad...


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By BansheeX on 5/16/2008 11:01:24 AM , Rating: 2
No console noise while playing. Check.
Slightly better graphics according to reviews. Check.
No monthly fee to play it online. Check.

Hmm, I wonder which version is the best to get? :P


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 11:09:08 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, that's funny... When I rented it for 360 on my system I had no console noise, excellent graphics and since I don't play online I didn't pay a fee... Though now that you mention online play nearly every post I've seen by someone who made that one of their major issues went with the 360 version of the game... "Far superior online play experience, check" :P


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By BansheeX on 5/16/2008 11:36:52 AM , Rating: 2
The 360 with its low-density media, high speed dvd drive is the loudest console in history, and you claim it has no noise? You're fruit loops.

And why is the online play $5 a month better than the PS3? Because you can hear every sh%t talking eleven year old in the server? Yeah, I'm there dude. Sign me up for that far superior pay-to-play experience.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 11:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
I claim that my console has so little noise that unless I'm playing with no sound I don't hear it... That's a resounding there might as well be no noise...

Why is paying $5 better? Because you're trying to make it sound like the playstation offers online gamers that XBL does, this is absolutly not the case. In game xbm for starters? I'm sorry but one area where the PS3 is decidedly weaker is in online gameing.


By StevoLincolnite on 5/17/2008 12:51:47 AM , Rating: 2
I find the Xbox 360's drive noisy, but that is if I only concentrate on the sound, if I am concentrating on the game, I really don't hear the noise, if anything it's about as noisy as my VHS player and/or my computers DVD burner, nothing to get stressed over, probably doesn't help that the console sits fairly close to me either, And it is seriously less noisy than my first gen PS1 and PS2 and Xbox.

I haven't had a shot at multi-player gaming yet on the 360, so I can't really comment on it.

But I -do- love the fact it plays all my music and DivX files!


By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 11:47:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And why is the online play $5 a month better than the PS3?


It's better because it's a better organized environment. There is more downloadable content for games (which make your $60 game last even longer). There are more serious people online. It keeps track of friends across games and statistics of your in game activities. And yes you can hear 12 year olds AS WELL AS your friends. The idea of playing COD4 without being able to talk with team members sounds flat out miserable.

It's not even a question of whether or not XBOX Live is better than whatever PS3 calls their online service now. The only downfall is that you have to pay for it. But you get what you pay for. You pay nothing to be online with PS3 don't expect anything good.


By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 11:51:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The 360 with its low-density media, high speed dvd drive is the loudest console in history, and you claim it has no noise? You're fruit loops.


THEY ARE ALL NOISY!! HAve you ever tried to watch a BR movie on the PS3. When that CPU fan gets going I have to crank the Dolby 7.1 all the way up to drown it out. They all make noise but I can tell you when my 360 starts making noise it is nowhere near as bad as that damned PS3 fan noise, which Sony doesn't care about since I've called customer support about 5 times. At least my friend called MS about the 360 making noise and they replaced his and now he's back to normal.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 11:52:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The 360 with its low-density media, high speed dvd drive is the loudest console in history, and you claim it has no noise? You're fruit loops.


THEY ARE ALL NOISY!! Have you ever tried to watch a BR movie on the PS3. When that CPU fan gets going I have to crank the Dolby 7.1 all the way up to drown it out. They all make noise but I can tell you when my 360 starts making noise it is nowhere near as bad as that damned PS3 fan noise, which Sony doesn't care about since I've called customer support about 5 times. At least my friend called MS about the 360 making noise and they replaced his and now he's back to normal.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By aeroxander on 5/16/2008 12:00:57 PM , Rating: 2
Wow you must really have sensitive ears, I watch blu-ray and dvds on my ps3 and don't have to crank my surround system.

Do you have an amplifier attached to the fan?


By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 12:05:38 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I was exaggerating a bit when I said crank it up but I do have to turn it up to drown it out. It used to be A LOT worse but i think some of the firmware updates might have had something to do with calming it down.


By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 12:22:40 PM , Rating: 2
Unless I mute the sound, I don't hear my console. Period.

And I essentially pay $3.30 a month for Xbox Live. I can live with that. If $45 for 13 months of play breaks the bank for you, the 360 or PS3 probably isn't for you anyway.

And I typically play with my friends. Not the average public.


By omnicronx on 5/16/2008 11:33:47 AM , Rating: 2
I could not notice the difference in graphics when directly compared. I was going to get the PS3 version as I heard they had to compress textures on the 360 version to fit it on a DVD9. Yet when I personally compared the two, I could not call one better than the other.

In the end, I have always found the xbox live experience much better than the PS Network, just as with Call of Duty 4, I made the decision if the game is the same, I will jump for the best online experience. Once again in this case, I think the 360 version has the slight advantage in my opinion. The PS network still has some major issues in regard to latencies during gameplay in various games which I just can't stand.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By walk2k on 5/16/2008 12:35:58 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly if I had both I'd get the 360 version just for the online play. Unless you have a lot of friends to invite yourself it can be tough getting a big game going on PSN, just isn't as many players as XBL.

As for noise, with temps in the 100s yesterday and still 95 at 9pm my PS3's fan was howling like I've never heard it. I actually didn't hear it until after I turned off the game - that is I didn't hear it during all the gunfire and explosions and music... but yeah it can get loud if it gets hot. Fortuntately it almost never gets that hot..


By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 1:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
No AC? I've got that kicked on already.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Reclaimer77 on 5/16/2008 4:32:14 PM , Rating: 2
PS3 freezing up in GTA4. Check
Slightly better graphics filled with so many jaggies you can't tell. Check
Laggy crappy barely populated online play. Check.


By mars777 on 5/18/2008 1:57:30 AM , Rating: 1
The first one happens on both consoles. Check
Second one is happening on (my) Xbox, didn't notice on PS3. Check
Third one - you are half right. Check mate :)


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By omnicronx on 5/16/2008 9:47:51 AM , Rating: 2
These GTA sales do not surprise me.. especially when you consider their install base, 360 with 18 million, PS3 with around 12. Seems like 1 in 10 ps3 and 360 owners bought GTAIV


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 9:50:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seems like 1 in 10 ps3 and 360 owners bought GTAIV


when you put it like that its a bit more surprising to me that GTA IV hasnt sold even better than it has already


By quaiky on 5/16/2008 10:05:37 AM , Rating: 2
that was just numbers for the first few days. vgchartz has it at selling ~4.4million worldwide on 360 (18.9 million consoles sold till date, so bit less than 1 out of 4 owners bought it) and ~3.3million worldwide on ps3 (12.6 million consoles sold till date so bit more than 1 out of 4 owners bought it). these numbers are till 10th may, so expect them to be even higher after this week is over.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By Hiawa23 on 5/16/2008 10:09:37 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know about many of you, but I did not expect GTA4 to move anymore consoles than the month before & let's be realistic here, these numbers came out when GTA4 was only out for a few days. On top of the game being available for both consoles, & I figure that many who want this game already owned a PS3 or 360, or like me, both, & I also own a Wii, but really has no appeal to my tastes other than gaming with my daughter.

It's clear the game did an amazing job setting the record for an entertainment event, but to base everything on these numbers when the game was only out afew days, really isn't giving the whole picture.

Actually, I am surprised, given the high gas prices, damn near every thing up at the grocery stores, the HD consoles sold what they did. As far as the Wii goes it caters to a totally different market so I expect that to continue to do well.

I figure the Wii is about $500 plus cheaper tan the HD consoles, since most that buy the PS3/360 will have to invest in a HD TV, at minimum to get the most out of them while the Wii many casuals don't even care about that.


By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 10:56:53 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't expect it, but on many forums I was being told that GTA4 was going to cause mass purchases of PS3's by current PS2 owners just looking for a reason to upgrade. In this regard the GTA launch was rather underwhelming. Which at least in my mind validates what I was thinking... Never look to any multiplatform releases no matter how traditionally the the series is for the sony platform to sell sony hardware. Instead it'll be games like MSG and Gods of War (actual PS exclusives) that will be the drivers for the platform. In a way I almost hope that doesn't quite pan out the way they're hoping... It would just push more PS3 price drops meaning I'll be able to pick one up sooner for GoW ;)


By G2cool on 5/16/2008 11:27:50 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, you did read it wrong. During the month of the GTA4 launch, XBOX360 sales were 188,000 units and PS3 sales were 187,100 units. That's a difference of 0.5%.


RE: Did I read the end of this artical wrong?
By walk2k on 5/16/2008 12:28:19 PM , Rating: 2
Well your reading is ok but your math isn't so great. It's 1.85:1

Also keep in mind it was released the 29th so these numbers include only 2 days worth of sales.


By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 12:32:35 PM , Rating: 2
1.85:1 is no where near 2:1??


By JustTom on 5/18/2008 12:02:42 PM , Rating: 2
The word is article.


Does anybody know...
By 16nm on 5/16/2008 9:26:21 AM , Rating: 2
if GTA IV plays the same and is of the same quality on both the PS3 and XBOX? In otherwords, if one were to go and buy a new console and this game, would one choice have better graphics or a generally better play experience, or no difference at all?




RE: Does anybody know...
By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 9:37:08 AM , Rating: 2
PS3 copy of GTA IV is known to have glitches in it. I'm sure it will get fixed eventually but its just how it is right now.

Graphics on the PS3 are supposed to be better but I find that you can barely tell any difference.


RE: Does anybody know...
By Bioniccrackmonk on 5/16/2008 10:11:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
PS3 copy of GTA IV is known to have glitches in it. I'm sure it will get fixed eventually but its just how it is right now.


Wrong. Certain launch consoles, specifically the 60GB version, were having issues with the game. Also, Rockstar and Sony have already released updates to fix all problems; game patch from Rockstar and firmware update from Sony.

I have a 60GB model and the only thing i noticed prior to these updates were occasional pauses and only one freeze. My roommate has a 40GB model and his ran flawless.


RE: Does anybody know...
By steve1014 on 5/16/2008 10:19:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, Rockstar and Sony have already released updates to fix all problems; game patch from Rockstar and firmware update from Sony


http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/15/ps3-firmware-2-...

actually as of yesterday sony and rockstar have not fixed it.

take two did come up with a 12 part fix-it yourself solution though.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6190279.html


RE: Does anybody know...
By Funksultan on 5/16/2008 9:37:57 AM , Rating: 2
That's a VERY loaded question, but the Reader's Digest version is this...

PS3 - Slightly better graphics
360 - Micro$oft paid in advance for some additional content that will be coming down the pipes in the future.


RE: Does anybody know...
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 9:41:48 AM , Rating: 2
The better graphics are debatable. Many say the PS3 version actually runs at a lower resolution than the 360 version.

But the better online integration and exclusive content for the 360 gives it an advantage in my mind. Plus the achievements are another little fun thing to play with if you so chose.


RE: Does anybody know...
By WayneG on 5/16/2008 9:54:33 AM , Rating: 3
Tbh I'm pretty good at spotting differences in graphical quality and all I could tell was that the graphics on the 360 allows a larger draw distance and also less lag (probably to do with RAM).
I think the problems with GTA4 on PS3 are to do with the rumble support? Although I'm not sure...
Personally I made my choice out of both and it was on the green side...


RE: Does anybody know...
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 10:03:15 AM , Rating: 1
The 360 version has a farther draw distance? I'd think the PS3 would since its installed on the hard drive. If thats the case thats kinda sad.

As you mentioned memory might be a factor since the 360s GPU has direct access to all 512MB of RAM in the system. The PS3s GPU only has direct access to 256MB.


RE: Does anybody know...
By michal1980 on 5/16/2008 12:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
fit, you know better.

if the 360 uses all that 512mb for graphics, then where does the game fit?

both consoles have a total 512mb ram, the ps3 has a fixed split. And while the 360 is more flexible, Unless we are going to just watch graphics, the 512mb accessiable to the gpu is just theory.


RE: Does anybody know...
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 1:45:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yes you are correct. But it means the 360 can more easily use more than 256MB of RAM for graphics if need be. It also means the system can use more than 256MB of RAM for processing the other aspects of the game if need be. While the PS3s GPU has the ability to write information to the main system memory, the CPU and SPUs cannot write to the graphics memory, only read from it.


RE: Does anybody know...
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 1:50:39 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think whether or not data is installed on the HDD is going to affect drawing distance much... I think that's more of a RAM + GPU & CPU Horse power thing... In which case, it depends on what is more important. A better GPU or a better CPU.


RE: Does anybody know...
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 10:59:31 AM , Rating: 2
You know, I really thought the 360 had the superior GPU... Am I wrong here? Wouldn't that give the 360 the graphics edge?


RE: Does anybody know...
By Aloonatic on 5/16/2008 12:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you would buy the version that most of your friends have in order to play online.

Apparently better graphics on the PS3 with less "pop up" and more AA, according to the reviews I've seen anyway.

Oddly tho, the PS3 version has a Halo 3 like 640 image compared to the 360s 720 so maybe the size of your TV is more important?

Also, load times are quite annoying on the 360 sometimes, compared to the PS3 where the game is installed on the hard disk, although you have to install it.


RE: Does anybody know...
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 12:27:09 PM , Rating: 2
I have yet to even see popup on the 360 version. Ever. Not even when going pedal to the metal with the fastest car in the game.

And I don't see how the PS3 version would be antialiased better since the 360 gets it for free.


RE: Does anybody know...
By 16nm on 5/16/2008 1:58:36 PM , Rating: 1
This, I'm sure, is a dumb question, but I googled "What is video game popup?" and I am pretty sure that I did not find the answer I was looking for. What exactly is popup wrt video games??


RE: Does anybody know...
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 2:11:27 PM , Rating: 1
I think what they are talking about is "HD POP", not sure if you have an HD TV or not, but basically well done HD encodes will feel like they're poping up out of the screen... Or more accuratly give you a very good 3D feel, as if you're watching the movie through a picture window. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban does this effectivly durring the quiddich match.

As far as AA, I think the 360 has a better GPU there for it would have superior AA.... Or at least that is what would make sense.


RE: Does anybody know...
By omnicronx on 5/16/2008 2:27:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As far as AA, I think the 360 has a better GPU there for it would have superior AA.... Or at least that is what would make sense.
Its not that the GPU is better in terms of power, its that for any game regardless of how the dev codes it, 4X AA is automatically added to all 360 games without taking a performance hit. Programmers then have the option of adding even more AA if they so choose. So when someone tries to tell me the PS3 version has better AI, I really find it hard to believe, as it would take twice the work to implement it.


RE: Does anybody know...
By Locutus465 on 5/16/2008 2:40:26 PM , Rating: 2
Who knows, could be R* putting more work into the PS3 version to see if it will sell better than the 360 version or something sort of like the several experiments waner did with hd dvd/bluray... If so I think it's highly unlikely R* will be considering any sort of PS exclusivity any time soon. Assuming they put the effort in, then it's all that effort only to see the 360 version murder PS3 sales anyway.


RE: Does anybody know...
By omnicronx on 5/16/2008 3:15:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who knows, could be R* putting more work into the PS3 version to see if it will sell better than the 360 version or something sort of like the several experiments waner did with hd dvd/bluray...
As I said, I very much doubt it, Rockstar had to delay GTAIV just because it was taking longer to finish the PS3 version. The chances that not only did the programmers add 4x AA to match what the 360 does without coding, but went over and beyond when they were already rushing to release their product is very, very small. PS3 owners can wish it, but I very much doubt it is true.


RE: Does anybody know...
By Aloonatic on 5/16/2008 6:11:49 PM , Rating: 3
"Popup" as far as I'm aware, is when objects suddenly appear (in your immediate field of view/area of focus) prior to this a rather odd empty space is often present which obviously shouldn't be there (if something no being there can be somewhere???) making the scene or action appear unrealistic.

As FITCam says, it usual happens in fast moving parts of a game but can also happen quite often when the scene or game space is loading.

As for the rest of my prev post, I was simply passing on a very brief synopsis of the reviews I have read.

All in all, both games are the same, unless you're able to play them both right next to each other I doubt if you will be seriously upset with either choice, apart from realising that all the AA and lighting effects in the world don't change the fact that GTA4 is pretty much the same as all the other GTA games that you've played and nothing new really.

They should bring back the line of Hari Christnas who you got a bonus for running them all over in 1 "spree", the best part of the original top down GTA games :)


RE: Does anybody know...
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 9:01:20 PM , Rating: 2
Lol. Yeah I remember that. "Killing Spree"


RE: Does anybody know...
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 12:32:24 PM , Rating: 2
The load times are a con but they're not too bad. Mass Effect definitely wins that contest.


Surprising lower Hardware numbers
By Elementalism on 5/16/2008 9:43:33 AM , Rating: 3
I think it will be interesting to see if GTAIV has legs on the PS3. COD4 sold well for months on the xBox but it doesnt appear that a game has legs on the PS3. It will make the top 10 once and disappear.

Overall both next gen consoles saw a large decline in sales. The Wii, well, it is the Wii and it is destroying all.




By quaiky on 5/16/2008 9:59:11 AM , Rating: 3
if you look at week to week data especially for worldwide (http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All... you can see a hardware sale spike for both PS3 and Xbox 360 around the release of GTA, so it did definitely sell consoles, but its also start of summertime and people are probably not that interested in buying consoles overall than if same would happen in winter.
Also you can see good in this chart that wii sales are a completly own league, PS3 only spiked into taht number in first week of GTA sales, and 360 was way below that still.


RE: Surprising lower Hardware numbers
By SandmanWN on 5/16/2008 9:59:58 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Overall both next gen consoles saw a large decline in sales.

Warm weather makes people want to do things other than sit in front of their television and be zombies all day. Sales numbers usually go down for a lot of industries during the warm months of the year.


By Hiawa23 on 5/16/2008 10:34:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Overall both next gen consoles saw a large decline in sales
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Warm weather makes people want to do things other than sit in front of their television and be zombies all day. Sales numbers usually go down for a lot of industries during the warm months of the year.

Warm weather & the economy, plus the consoles cost alot more than the mass friendly Wii.


RE: Surprising lower Hardware numbers
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 10:38:40 AM , Rating: 2
Nah I hate to sweat so my ass will be inside for the next 4 months. :-p

Clearly kidding....or am I?


RE: Surprising lower Hardware numbers
By SandmanWN on 5/16/2008 10:48:21 AM , Rating: 2
lol come on out and absorb your dose of radiation with the rest of us. I've already earned my first two sunburns of the year. The skins all toned and ready for those hot summer rays. Bring on that wholesome radiated goodness!


RE: Surprising lower Hardware numbers
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 12:30:53 PM , Rating: 2
Oh I've already had my sunburns too. I got a sunburn on a friday and then went back for more saturday so I could film this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhrDxCR7r8I


RE: Surprising lower Hardware numbers
By SandmanWN on 5/16/2008 2:18:26 PM , Rating: 2
ha, I got my first tan of the year at the Blue Angels demonstration.


By Min Jia on 5/16/2008 11:47:04 PM , Rating: 2
You guys will get skin cancer. I'm sure of it


Not surprised
By aeroxander on 5/16/2008 11:42:59 AM , Rating: 2
360 has a higher install base in the US so its going to sell more. I know its been said in the posts already. The other thing is, I really don't see this being the game that will sell PS3's its on both the 360 and PS3. The game that could buoy PS3 sales would be MGS4 and GT5. Exclusives that make you want to get the system. Microsoft has Halo and GW series (I'm just posting those games that have massive hype, I mean the kind of hype that billy goes to his parents and demands a system less he goes and mad tantrum rampage...) GTA had that hype but was on both systems, PS3 desperately needs MGS4, GT5, Killzone and possibly a FF game to really push the want for a PS3, right now in my opinion they don't have a game that I would make me desperately want to get a PS3 (but I already have one)

I wonder if we're seeing HD saturation at this point. The thing with the xbox and ps2 was that you didn't need a new tv. And like was said, with the current economic rumblings going on, I just don't see huge sales. Microsoft may have just gotten it right with the early launch, not because of a better game console (don't worry I'm not flaming I do actually want a 360 so I can play GW and Halo) but because of the economics. I see parents starting to buckle down not go out and spend lots of money.




RE: Not surprised
By afkrotch on 5/16/2008 12:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The other thing is, I really don't see this being the game that will sell PS3's its on both the 360 and PS3. The game that could buoy PS3 sales would be MGS4 and GT5. Exclusives that make you want to get the system.


Exclusives aren't the only thing that sells a system.

There are many ppl out there who want to buy a 360 or buy a PS3 and don't even think about the competition, regardless of it's exclusives. They simply need a game, feature, etc that is enough to push them over into a purchase.

I have a couple of friends who are just like that. They won't touch a 360. It could have the greatest exclusive title that revolutionizes the way we game, and they wouldn't bat an eye at it. One has already purchased the PS3 and the other is just sitting back waiting for Final Fantasy to come out, before they make the purchase.

If some game that he was really into released before Final Fantasy, he'd make the purchase. As of now, he's just waiting for that one title.

GTAIV could have been that title that pushed users to a purchase.


RE: Not surprised
By joemoedee on 5/16/2008 12:37:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wonder if we're seeing HD saturation at this point. The thing with the xbox and ps2 was that you didn't need a new tv. And like was said, with the current economic rumblings going on, I just don't see huge sales. Microsoft may have just gotten it right with the early launch, not because of a better game console (don't worry I'm not flaming I do actually want a 360 so I can play GW and Halo) but because of the economics. I see parents starting to buckle down not go out and spend lots of money.


Well, you don't need an HDTV to play either system. When I owned my 360, I had it running on SDTV and there was still a marked improvement over 6th gen graphics at the lower SD resolution. (And the last two homes I went to that had HDTVs did not have any sort of HD signal going to their sets. As someone stuck on SDTV, that bothers me, but that's another rant) Obviously, it improves the experience, but I don't think that's holding people back.

Price is, still. Games are more expensive ($59.99 new releases, typically vs $49.99), controllers more expensive ($49.99 vs ~$29.99), and consoles are way more expensive than 6th generation. The prices I paid for my current consoles:

PS1 = $249.99
Dreamcast = $199.99
Gamecube = $149.99
Xbox = $199.99

It's a hard to swallow paying so much more for a 360 or a PS3. Obviously lots of people have hopped on board, but clearly a lower price point would increase market saturation exponentially.

However, I think we'll see a bump in sales of all of the consoles here over the next few weeks in the US due people beginning to receive their "Stimulus" checks.


RE: Not surprised
By aeroxander on 5/16/2008 1:04:37 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, its definitely a high price to pay, but wouldn't also the fact that your paying so much and not fully enjoying it also be a detriment. With the PS2, even when it was expensive I was still enjoying the full experience without having to get a new TV. A lot of emphasis is being put on the PS3 and XBOX360 as being HD systems, by both Sony and Microsoft so I wonder if its affecting some sales, i.e. if someone is still playing ps2 and buying ps2 is it because they haven't made the leap to HD, therefore why get a PS3 when I don't have HD.


RE: Not surprised
By joemoedee on 5/16/2008 2:07:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Agreed, its definitely a high price to pay, but wouldn't also the fact that your paying so much and not fully enjoying it also be a detriment. With the PS2, even when it was expensive I was still enjoying the full experience without having to get a new TV.


I agree with that, to get the full experience you have to shell out for the HDTV, which even adds more to the price of admission. There is the graphical improvement with SDTV, but its not nearly as substantial. Considering the current HDTV market is somewhere around 20% in the US... (Completely presumptive there, last numbers had it at 13.7% in Nov 07 from Nielson) The lack of HDTVs could be considered a preventive factor for those looking at the 360/PS3.

I guess it comes down to this for most non-adopters, myself included...

Am I going to have $X amount more fun on the 360/PS3 versus what I can do with my current system (Xbox) or a PS2? For some yes, for others, not yet.

Neither system are really in the impulse buy price range yet. (Which seems to be in the $199-$249 range, considering how the Wii sells, and how consoles have sold historically) Until they get there, I think we'll see somewhat level sales numbers.


RE: Not surprised
By Hiawa23 on 5/16/2008 4:35:46 PM , Rating: 2
I think what some of you are forgetting with the 360, is you don't have to buy an HDTV, you can connect it directly to the same monitor you use for your PC, & all PC monitors or atleast current ones are mere HDTVs.


RE: Not surprised
By soloman02 on 5/16/2008 4:11:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, I think we'll see a bump in sales of all of the consoles here over the next few weeks in the US due people beginning to receive their "Stimulus" checks.


No you won't actually. Most people are going to use their checks on things they need like gas or food, or to pay down their credit cards, loans, etc. The cost of living has gone up substantially over the period of a few months. Here is NH regular unleaded is $3.73 a gallon and is only going up, not to mention that heating oil is above $4 a gallon. Most of the people who are getting the checks are putting it towards the basics. My parents are putting this check towards buying pellets since they are buying a pellet stove to reduce our consumption of heating oil to running the hot water heater. A large majority of people will be spending their checks on things like this, not new consoles or TV's.


RE: Not surprised
By Hiawa23 on 5/16/2008 4:43:22 PM , Rating: 2
No you won't actually. Most people are going to use their checks on things they need like gas or food, or to pay down their credit cards, loans, etc. The cost of living has gone up substantially over the period of a few months. Here is NH regular unleaded is $3.73 a gallon and is only going up, not to mention that heating oil is above $4 a gallon. Most of the people who are getting the checks are putting it towards the basics. My parents are putting this check towards buying pellets since they are buying a pellet stove to reduce our consumption of heating oil to running the hot water heater. A large majority of people will be spending their checks on things like this, not new consoles or TV's.

that's exactly what I did. Used the check for bills, I already own the 360 PS3 Wii. Al those checks are going to stimulate are bills/debt but there are alot of my friends that are saying the hell with it buying everything they wanted with the money which will be deducted from you taxes next year, so it aint free money.


RE: Not surprised
By joemoedee on 5/17/2008 10:52:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
No you won't actually. Most people are going to use their checks on things they need like gas or food, or to pay down their credit cards, loans, etc. The cost of living has gone up substantially over the period of a few months. Here is NH regular unleaded is $3.73 a gallon and is only going up


Whereas I, and many others on DT, will use it for bills/debt/gas/food/etc, I can almost assure you there are many Americans that won't and will spend their money on unnecessary items, in fact, that's what good old Uncle Sam wants you to do. (IE: a video game console, HDTV, Botox, etc.) This is why a LOT of folks are in the situation they are in to begin with, but that's a whole different rant there. ;p


WTF, Stupid Title!!!
By afkrotch on 5/16/2008 10:38:45 AM , Rating: 1
Seriously, why the hell is half this article even about Nintendo, when the title talks about GTAIV, Xbox 360, and PS3? Doesn't even mention Nintendo in the title.




RE: WTF, Stupid Title!!!
By SandmanWN on 5/16/2008 10:44:25 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah I didn't get that either. I could have sworn I clicked on a XBox, PS3, GTA4 article and had to scroll half way down the page to actually find anything related to that subject heading.


RE: WTF, Stupid Title!!!
By BruceLeet on 5/16/2008 11:28:02 AM , Rating: 3
Whats wrong with you?


A potential win for Microsoft?
By Gastrian on 5/16/2008 12:53:16 PM , Rating: 2
On the basic level this is considered a draw, as has been pointed out Microsoft has a larger install base and the games to consoles ratio is about the same between Microsoft and Sony.

The point thats being neglected is that since GTA3 first came onto the PS2 the GTA series has been a system seller for Sony. One of the main reasons last generation to get a Playstation 2 was because GTA was a PS2 exclusive and even when GTA3 and Liberty City hit the Xbox it made no major impact on either system's placing. Before GTA4 was announced as a non-exclusive I knew quite a few people that were going to buy a PS3 instead of an Xbox360 because it was more likely to be a PS3 exclusive.

The game comes out truly multiplatform, there's exclusive content for MS but also free online play for PS3 owners, the diffferences between the games are negligible and the game does equally well on both consoles. Nobody was really expecting Microsoft to outright beat Sony in this but people were expecting GTA to be good for Sony, especially as Sony had the bundle pack and it hasn't narrowed the gap.

Microsoft hasn't gained an extra lead over Sony because of GTA4 but Sony has lost one of the biggest reasons it got its much deserved market share last gen and that is going to hurt Sony in the future, especially if third parties decide that based on these sales figures its in their best interests to go multiplatform and not favour Sony.




RE: A potential win for Microsoft?
By Min Jia on 5/17/2008 12:05:27 AM , Rating: 2
GTA4 is selling better on the PS3 in both Europe and Asia.


GTA 4 Xbox 360 vs Playstation 3
By xNIBx on 5/16/2008 4:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
1. On xbox 360, gta4 runs at a slightly higher resolution and has aa. On ps3, gta4 has a blurovision/brown filter in order to hide it's lower resolution and lack of aa. So graphics are crisper/clearer on 360. 360's gpu is better than ps3's and has integrated cache which enables it to do aa for pretty much free.

2. Ps3 has much better explosions. More fire, more debris, more everything. I guess this has to do with the cell cpu handling those explosions.

3. Ps3 has installed data on the hard disk. Installation lasts a few mins but this means faster loading and slightly less popup issues.

4. Xbox 360 has live. Yes, you pay extra but the price is worth it IMO so this is an advantage IMO.

5. Xbox 360 has rrod. Last thing you want is not to be able to play your long awaited game because your 360 is dead. More recent 360 supposingly rrod less often but they still rrod. This is the biggest disadvantage of the 360.

6. Xbox 360 has exclusive DLC. This is a big deal. Not just new cars or weapons but new entire missions and even locations. Microsoft didnt pay 50mil for nothing.

If rrod(let's say an arbitrary 5% chance of getting rrod on newest 360) isnt a problem for you, then the xbox 360 gta is the version to get. The exclusive DLC is the biggest advantage of 360. If you have a ps3 but not a 360, dont worry. The differences between 360's gta4 and ps3's are almost non existent.




By Squilliam on 5/17/2008 2:08:47 AM , Rating: 2
Also the Xbox360 runs at a higher frame rate. According to Beyond3d, it was about 30 for the 360 and 26ish for the PS3. The 360 should run smoother and have less time <20 FPS


80GB missing from the marketplace
By deeznuts on 5/16/2008 1:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
Note that there are hardly any, if any 80GB PS3's in the market. Sony pulled them for the MGS4 bundle. It should be noted. A lot of people are holding out for that version (free game, Backwards compatbility etc.)




All I can say is....
By Chaser on 5/17/2008 3:02:16 AM , Rating: 2
"Installing data to "hard drive". Nothing more need be said.




hardware sales
By Zensen on 5/18/2008 6:00:43 AM , Rating: 2
I don't get the big hoo-hah about nintendo wii selling more than the other consoles (wasn't that goin to be a given?) Were analyst really expecting sales of GTA IV to have boosted the ps3 and 360 that much in the month of April?

The game was released near the end of the month. Had this game been sold at the beginning of the month, you may very well have seen a figure higher in hardware sells for both sony and microsoft.

It'll be interesting to see what the may statistics are regarding this.

There's no doubt GTA IV was the biggest game for April and considering it topped the list in sales this month is not surprising. Nor is it surprising to mario kart up there too.

Having said that, GTA IV is the same old and I've had a go recently and got fairly bored of it pretty quickly but don't get me wrong, it is a good concept.

In the end, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft have shown that they are sticking around for the next couple of years and the hilarity of these console wars are thankfully left to internet forums.




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