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Someday, these two may become one
Toshiba and Microsoft cooking up new HD DVD-enabled Xbox

For better or worse, some consumers are purchasing a PlayStation 3 not for its gaming abilities, but rather its Blu-ray Disc movie playback functionality. While Sony’s gaming division may prefer that its customers be gamers, the bottom line is that those interested in just Blu-ray Disc movies will give Sony another notch in the sales and installed base column – a phenomenon not unlike with DVD during the launch of the PlayStation 2.

With high-definition format crown still up for grabs, both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc camps are doing whatever they can to gain the advantage. Microsoft and Toshiba, the two main pillars of HD DVD, are reportedly working on a new entertainment set-top box that will integrate the gaming functions of the Xbox 360 and the movie playback functions of a Toshiba HD DVD player, according to Smarthouse.

The new device is supposedly being developed in response to Sony’s myriad of entertainment features on the PlayStation 3, driving the sales of Blu-ray Disc software.

Oddly enough, a recent study says that most gamers are clueless about the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 high-definition features, bringing into question the argument of consoles driving high-definition media sales.

“An Xbox with a built in HD DVD drive is critical,” a senior Toshiba executive in Singapore told the website. “They and we are working onit. It also has to be more than a gaming machine. Microsoft recognises this.”

As a full-featured entertainment hub, such a product would appeal to a broader market than just those in Microsoft’s current Xbox target audience. In fact, a Toshiba machine with similarly wide capabilities may hit the market. “A version of the device may also be sold under the Toshiba brand name,”added the Toshiba executive.

While current Xbox 360 owners may add HD DVD playback capabilities to their consoles with a $179 add-on drive, overall penetration of high-definition movies into Xbox gamers has been less than stellar. With an estimated 155,000 units HD DVD add-on drives sold in the U.S. through mid-year, Microsoft and Toshiba maybe looking into ways of getting the high-definition gaming crowd into movies.The answer may be in Sony’s strategy.

Sony has once dabbled before in releasing a consumer-centric entertainment machine based on its games console. Released only in Japan, the PSX was a set-top box with PVR and PS2 capabilities built-in. The PSX was reserved for the higher-end home entertainment purposes, but never quite found its market.

Xbox 360 gamers afraid that a new machine would make their current systems obsolete have little to worry about, however, as Microsoft has said on multiple occasions that its Xbox 360 games will never require an HD DVD drive.



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This is an Option for Married people.
By Mitch101 on 10/22/2007 8:53:58 AM , Rating: 4
Wife "I put the movie in the x-box 360 and its still not playing"
Husband "Did you put it in the x-box 360 or the external drive"
Wife "Ok its working now"
1:15 later:
Wife "Im putting a game in the drive and its not working"
Husband "Games need to go in the 360 not the external drive"
Wife "Ok its working now"

My wife is not technical and heaven forbid her parents come over and try this. While I have a logitech harmony remote to try and simplify things they wont get it. The less options the better.

I will also add with set top HD-DVD's units being so cheap I would have purchased one of them over the 360 external drive being that the 360 external drive is around the same price. If I can reduce this down to 1-Box the 360 with internal HD-DVD drive then this will make my life easier.




RE: This is an Option for Married people.
By IceTron on 10/22/07, Rating: -1
By MrPickins on 10/22/2007 12:15:33 PM , Rating: 2
So anyone not proficient in the latest technology is a moron?

What a dumb attitude...


By RandallMoore on 10/22/2007 1:01:49 PM , Rating: 4
Only on the internet would someone say that without getting their face smashed in.


RE: This is an Option for Married people.
By Mitch101 on 10/22/2007 1:11:55 PM , Rating: 4
Since she was a test model for Playboy I forgive her.


By nayy on 10/22/2007 3:08:21 PM , Rating: 3
I applaud you both for your tolerance to total lack of manners and your hot wife.


RE: This is an Option for Married people.
By IceTron on 10/22/07, Rating: -1
By mikeyD95125 on 10/25/2007 12:41:14 AM , Rating: 1
Your a dick. And that I would say to your face.


Sony <= Toshiba => Microsoft
By Evangels on 10/22/2007 8:51:00 AM , Rating: 2
"Toshiba, Sony and SCEI sign a joint venture deal in production of PlayStation 3 processors"

Toshiba is going to produce PS3 processors for Sony.
They are also at the same side with MS(hd-dvd).

Not sure why toshiba is doing this, maybe they think becoming a middle-man actually make more money???

I don't know, I just like everything sample, one format, and that will benefit everyone and cut the cost down faster.




RE: Sony <= Toshiba => Microsoft
By FITCamaro on 10/22/2007 8:59:58 AM , Rating: 2
No just Toshiba was one of the partners on the Cell chip same as IBM. Cell is not Sony's invention, it merely was a partner in the development. IBM was responsible for the majority of its development. Sony is just the one getting all the glory since the PS3 is its most visible use.

Just because they worked together to produce Cell though, doesn't mean they have to agree on the high def formats. To me, Sony selling its Cell production facilities is a bad sign for them.


RE: Sony <= Toshiba => Microsoft
By SunAngel on 10/22/2007 11:52:34 AM , Rating: 2
I'm lost.

Isn't Sony Broadband engine ~ to the Cell name?

When you pop open Siemen's MRI machine doesn't that big ole' chip say Sony Broadband Engine on the top?


RE: Sony <= Toshiba => Microsoft
By Zandros on 10/22/2007 12:12:29 PM , Rating: 2
The chips are labeled Cell B/E IIRC, not Sony Broadband Engine.


RE: Sony <= Toshiba => Microsoft
By Strunf on 10/22/2007 5:56:14 PM , Rating: 1
The PS3 is the only reason you even get to hear about the CELL, if SONY didn't make this hype around the PS3 and CELL no one would give a crap about it... there's plenty of CPU out there and very few really get any coverage let along the one CELL got cause of SONY.


RE: Sony <= Toshiba => Microsoft
By mcturkey on 10/22/2007 11:16:52 AM , Rating: 2
Toshiba is, like IBM, one of those companies that does electronics manufacturing and design really well. Thus, companies like Sony and Microsoft benefit greatly by partnering with them. Like IBM, Toshiba will profit no matter what, because they don't sell the end product to consumers.

As for which format wins, I have my reasons for preferring HDDVD, but I just got a refurbished 20GB PS3 for under $300 specifically for Blu-Ray.


RE: Sony <= Toshiba => Microsoft
By Shlong on 10/22/2007 4:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
Well Blu Ray is a Sony format... cell cpu, Toshiba saw they could make some money off of it... with the acquistion from Sony. HD-DVD is a Toshiba format... Microsoft is just a platform in which they could distribute & build a larger customer base.


Complete side topic
By VoodooChicken on 10/22/2007 10:03:02 AM , Rating: 2
I'm just really pissed I see the Best Buy add-on this weekend that includes Heroes on HD DVD. I bought the add-on during the summer just before the $20 cut (still paid cheaper on eBay), and paid around $65 for Heroes. That really irks. And to boot, I STILL don't own an Xbox!




RE: Complete side topic
By softwiz on 10/22/2007 10:23:35 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, the benefits of being an early adopter! ;)


RE: Complete side topic
By softwiz on 10/22/2007 10:52:41 AM , Rating: 2
I forgot to mention that I own a standalone Toshiba HD-DVD player and have purchased Heroes as well.


RE: Complete side topic
By zombiexl on 10/22/2007 10:30:26 AM , Rating: 4
I got my drive last XMAS for 160 and bought Heros on HD.

I'm not one bit upset. I paid for what I wanted, when i wanted it.


RE: Complete side topic
By rsasp on 10/22/2007 12:05:51 PM , Rating: 2
Too bad..that's what electronics are, you buy it today, the next day they're gonna have a price cut, and you decided not to buy it today, it'll seems like they are never going to do a price cut.


Good idea
By mdogs444 on 10/22/2007 7:29:51 AM , Rating: 3
Whether you support HD or BD, I still think this is a worthwhile idea if it meets a certain price point. Personally I have neither, but if they can include it to maybe the Elite or Pro console for about a $100 premium, I think it could be a great addition to the Xbox 360 line-up.

IMO, if they could release something like this in the $400-$500 range, it could prove to be popular. But with so many people out there already having their 360's, and with over 150,000 add-on units sold, it remains to be seen how many would be willing to replace what they have with the updated console.




RE: Good idea
By StevoLincolnite on 10/22/2007 8:18:00 AM , Rating: 2
Actually I had the Idea that Toshiba would be Producing the unit as a Set top box, with HDDVD and Xbox 360 abilities, this would give a boost to the Xbox camp, and Toshiba also can use the fact its HDDVD player can play Xbox 360 games would be good for Advertising as well.

Plus if Microsoft Integrates HDDVD support into the High-End units it could help as well.

Personally I'm not going to go Blueray or HDDVD until there is a clear Format winner, otherwise I am comfortable with my DivX for the time being.