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Xbox 360 Jasper revision offers more internal storage and lower wattage PSU

The holiday shopping season is in full swing and one of the most desired gifts on many lists is a new game console. Much like computers, the hardware inside the Xbox 360 goes through periodic revisions to make it perform better, fix bugs, and lower production costs.

In May of 2008, DailyTech first wrote about the Xbox 360 Jasper revision. The revision was expected in August of 2008 and would feature a new GPU among other things. Apparently, it took longer to get the Jasper revision consoles into the market, as they are just not showing up.

Xbox-scene has some images up on its site that shows the new Jasper revision motherboard out of an Xbox 360. Two Jasper boards have been shown on the site and both of them are Arcade machines. The power supply has been changed with a 25-watt reduction to 150W. The plug is different to prevent the new PSU from being connected to an older console.

The reduction in power is thanks to the more efficient hardware in the updated console. One change that was not expected with the Arcade console is the addition of a significantly larger onboard flash storage unit. Older Arcade machines had only 16MB of internal storage, not enough for the new Xbox Experience update to be applied to internal storage.

The new Jasper update has 256MB of flash onboard, plenty to apply the new update internally. Xbox-scene reports that the flash storage has 214MB left after required software for the console to operate is installed.

Reports have the newly revised machines are reportedly using two different types of RAM chips. Some boards use four RAM chips with two on top of the mainboard and two on the bottom. Some revisions of the boards use two higher density RAM chips and only have chips on the top of the board.



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Interesting
By mfed3 on 11/28/2008 10:36:42 AM , Rating: 3
One thing that the summary article doesnt quite get across that you immmediately get in the XBS article is the ONBOARD flash memory that the new consoles have inside. Even when removing the hard drive, all new xbox 360's will have the new dashboard. Great idea! Drop the prices on those hard drives now so I can install more games to disk without having to mod my enclosure!




RE: Interesting
By StevoLincolnite on 11/28/2008 10:48:30 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, I'm surprised that wasn't a notable submission in the post, I guess Microsoft did it that way to save money on having to throw in the memory card, and it probably worked out better to only have one motherboard so all consoles will get that feature.

Plus it seems less messy downloading updates to the console to the memory card as well.

However from the screen shots and information I read the memory is back to being on both sides of the motherboard but without any thermal assistance, so I think the memory got die-shrunk or upgraded as well, or they didn't need anything to cool the memory because of the cooler GPU while keeping the same Heatsinks for the GPU and CPU.


RE: Interesting
By mfed3 on 11/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: Interesting
By glennpratt on 11/28/2008 1:42:43 PM , Rating: 2
He's talking about the system RAM being on both sides of the board, not the flash.


RE: Interesting
By Einy0 on 11/28/2008 10:57:25 AM , Rating: 2
Yes offer some reasonable prices on some mega storage capacity or sell a DIY kit. I'd pay $50 for a DIY 360 HD upgrade kit in a second. 500GB 2.5 drives can be had for $130 now. That's like 50 games and then some. The speed increase in load times would also be phenomenal. I notice a minor load speed increase with my 20GB HD, but the noise difference is insane. My 360 went from airplane to near silent.


RE: Interesting
By quiksilvr on 11/28/2008 9:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
Same, but because of this availability for full installation of games onto HDDs, it pretty much is the final nail in the coffin for having external HDDs compatibility. It would make it wayyy too easy to plug it into your PC and hack it so that it doesn't need DVD read verification to run.


RE: Interesting
By bill3 on 11/29/2008 1:05:57 AM , Rating: 2
Why the heck do people want "mega storage" anyway? What the hell would you do with say, 500GB on your 360?

I'll wager you wouldnt do anything, certainly not use most of it, you just like the idea of having it, the same way you probably buy video cards based on how much VRAM they have and not whether they're actually good.

This race for ever bigger HDD's in the consoles makes me laugh, because 99% of people will NEVER use beyond a couple GB's of it. That's just more and more untold GB's of unused wasted storage out there..I wonder what the average usage of an 80 GB PS3 HDD is? I bet less than 1 GB. You have to consider how casual the average person is, I mean the Wii is the best selling console by far.

I consider myself a pretty power user and 20Gb is enough for me, really. I'd like more now that installing games is an option (before then there was REALLY no conceivable need for it!) but it's really not that big a deal.


RE: Interesting
By bill3 on 11/29/2008 1:16:21 AM , Rating: 1
Also, people are always talking about how overpriced the 360 HDD's are, and they are but, find me a RETAIL, brick and mortar (where 360 drives are sold!) 2.5" HDD ANYWHERE for less than $100? It's not possible. Best Buy does not carry any $60-$80 HDD's of any size, trust me. They basically start at $100. And those HDD's dont have a plastic case and special formatting either.

People always compare prices to newegg OEM stuff..most people also compare to 3.5" drives for extra ignorance, altough the commenter I'm replying to his credit didn't..

The 360 HDD situation is pretty interesting/annoying right now though. It appears the 120GB HDD's were clearanced a while back. They are selling at a premium if you can find them it seems. Meanwhile the 60 GB stand alone have not made there way into the retail chain yet. So if you're a 20GB user who might be looking to upgrade right now, you literally dont have any options, (unless you can find a 120GB floating around) annoying.

Most speculation is there will be a larger size coming down the pike to replace the phased out 120's. I've not seen even any confirmation of that though.


RE: Interesting
By GaryJohnson on 11/29/2008 11:44:19 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
find me a RETAIL, brick and mortar (where 360 drives are sold!) 2.5" HDD ANYWHERE for less than $100?

2.5" Western Digital 250GB external @ BB for $80:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8754...


RE: Interesting
By Bigjee on 11/30/2008 6:13:11 PM , Rating: 2
2.5 inch WD 320gb For less than $80

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15081701... DIGITAL


RE: Interesting
By Bender 123 on 12/2/2008 10:00:08 AM , Rating: 2
I just bought a 2.5" external WD for $94 at Sams Club last week...


RE: Interesting
By Etsp on 11/30/2008 5:43:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wonder what the average usage of an 80 GB PS3 HDD is? I bet less than 1 GB.
Well, that would be the case only if the owner of the PS3 didn't play any PS3 games. At All. PS3 games install onto the PS3 to enable faster load times(load some stuff from HDD, other stuff from BD)
I have 2 games installed, and they use over 7 gigs of storage space.(I just got it) Am I going to replace my 80GB with a bigger drive? You betcha. Would I do the same on an Xbox360? Absolutely not. The drives are way too overpiced, and like you said, provide very little additional value.


RE: Interesting
By mles1551 on 11/30/2008 2:40:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I mean the Wii is the best selling console by far.

Being the best selling anything only means you appeal to the most average casual user. It doesn't mean you have the best product.

You're in a discussion about a Mustang saying "But the Camry is the best selling car!"

If you go to buy a 360/PS3 you aren't going to change your mind and get a Wii, just like you wouldn't decide against the Stang in favor of a Camry.


RE: Interesting
By EglsFly on 11/30/2008 12:28:58 AM , Rating: 3
Sony PS3 offers user upgradable Hard Drive, very nice feature. I have no idea why MS did not go this route...


RE: Interesting
By Aloonatic on 11/30/2008 4:27:14 AM , Rating: 2
Because most people don't want to go opening up their devices and unplugging things and tinkering with cables in a device that you've just forked out a lot of money for, risking breaking the whole thing.

We might be quite confident about doing it and have probably made a few mistakes in the past and learnt from them but the average console buyer hasn't and so doesn't want to put their console at risk.

From this point of view, MS got it right, making it easier to change the drive with confidence by "Joe the plumber".

That they are making people pay through the nose and getting away with it too with a fairly hefty mark-up/margin on the hardware was a smart move from MS too.

They've handled the accessories thing really well.

Whoever came up with the idea of selling all the accessories and add-ons/upgrades like the wireless controllers, recharge packs, live gold, wireless Ethernet, and external drives made a gutsy move, and it's paid of.

In the time when the credit flowed like wine a couple of years ago I suppose mums and dads and anyone else with access to all that credit were happy to keep in putting these things on their credit cards.

If the xBox 360 and PS3 releases had been delayed a couple of years and people were looking at the add-ons/upgrades needed/wanted for the xBox now I'm not so sure that many families would be so keen to pay up for them all, as they appear to have been in the past.


RE: Interesting
By Alareth on 11/30/2008 11:15:32 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Because most people don't want to go opening up their devices and unplugging things and tinkering with cables in a device that you've just forked out a lot of money for, risking breaking the whole thing.


You obviously know nothing about replacing the HDD on a PS3.

No tinkering, case opening or cables. The system was specifically designed for easy HDD swapping using any 2.5" SATA HDD.

Remove screw, slide out HDD tray, unscrew old HDD from tray, attach new HDD to tray, slide in HDD tray, tighten screw.

I'm sure Joe the Plumber than handle that.


RE: Interesting
By Aloonatic on 12/1/2008 4:37:28 AM , Rating: 2
I know how to, it's in the manual and everything.

But many many people don't want to have to open up their console (or PC for that matter) any more than they want to open up their pet cat.

Clip off, clip on is fine.

Remove plate, Unscrew, tug, pull, unscrew, replace, screw in, push in, shove to side a bit, harder, harder, that's it, screw in, replace plate, hope that it works people are not so happy about doing.

Give Joe the choice, which one is he going to go for?

Well the results are in and he's voted with his wallet, repeatedly, and gone for the xBox, with all those lovely expensive over priced accessories.


RE: Interesting
By Ish718 on 12/4/2008 9:51:32 AM , Rating: 2
LOL thats not the real reason why.
Why not make the harddrive propietary so customers have no choice but to buy a specialized xbox 360 harddrive.

More money for Microsoft


RROD!!!
By snownpaint on 11/28/2008 11:03:51 AM , Rating: 4
My xbox 360 just died. again. How about they hook me up with one of these new ones. Sugar Honey Ice Tea.. I just got off the phone with them because they couldn't send a UPS label via Email and I have to wait 3 more days for it to be mailed to me. POS, FPOJ... my Wii, PC, and PS3 work fine, and I use them way more.. Way to go on making crappy products MS.. Offer me a free month of xbox live for my trouble; I fart in your direction..




RE: RROD!!!
By ashegam on 11/28/2008 11:58:11 AM , Rating: 4
Hi from MS Headquarters,

My name is Jimbo and I've been assigned to your case. We are sending you, not 1, but 2 month of free xbox live for your trouble. We will send these free passes with your UPS label. This might further delay your shipping to 12 days. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Sincerely,

JIMBO

P.S Please do not send us any further farts.


RE: RROD!!!
By bill3 on 11/29/2008 12:59:05 AM , Rating: 2
They actually do send you a month or two of free live when they repair your 360..not sure if the OP was being sarcastic..


Xbox 363?
By TennesseeTony on 11/28/2008 12:13:56 PM , Rating: 2
So what version are we on now, the third? Fourth? My co-worker just lost his 3rd 360 to the red ring of death. Maybe the Xbox 370 iteration will be perfected enough to actually last a while.




RE: Xbox 363?
By StevoLincolnite on 11/28/2008 12:18:06 PM , Rating: 2
5th actually.

Xenon (v1)
Zephyr (v2)
Falcon (v3)
Opus (v3.1)
Jasper (v4)

Probably allot more in between also.


RE: Xbox 363?
By Einy0 on 11/28/2008 8:59:05 PM , Rating: 2
Y I dunno if I should mention this cuz it's bound to jinx me but my rev 1. 360 still works great. I guess I'm lucky. Well there is the issue that it has trouble reading discs when it's lying down. I just stand it up problem solved.


cheaper
By djc208 on 11/28/2008 12:13:12 PM , Rating: 2
Someone probably figured out it was actually more expensive to buy the 16 MB chips. You have to figure the use for a memory chip that size is pretty limited any more.




RE: cheaper
By bill3 on 11/29/2008 12:47:17 AM , Rating: 2
Nope again. People seem to be confused about this. Here's what happened:

360 Arcades USED to come with a separate, stand alone 256MB memory card. The original 16 MB of internal flash is neither here nor there, I'm not sure what it was used for (I'd say to hold the dashboard, but I dont think thats right either as I believe the dashboard is 32 MB). but it wasn't anything the end user could save games to or even access or anything. It was just some kind of system scratch memory maybe. Personally I didn't even really know it existed.

However in the most recent Arcade units, both Jasper and non-Jasper I believe, the 256 MB memory has been made internal rather than being a seperate card. No big deal. Some might see it as a downgrade, all equal it's better for your storage to be detachable, that way you could take your profile and saves to a friends house for example.

However I know why they did it, because NXE requires 128 MB of memory to unpack (this is why MS had the offer for a free 512MB mem card or 20 GB HDD for $29 for old Arcade owners who didnt have enough memory to run NXE). MS doesnt want people selling units without a mem card or losing the card or otherwise creating non-NXE capable systems out there. With built in storage, thats not a problem.


Jasper Serial number pattern ?
By kilkennycat on 11/28/2008 10:05:20 PM , Rating: 2
Can Anandtech or other post a complete serial number from a Jasper Unit, maybe leaving the last 4 digits blank (for privacy). And a complete serial number from the previous edition, with the last 4 digits blank? The pattern difference MAY be able to help a purchaser avoid an extremely critical purchasing mistake.... If a serial number pattern difference is undetectible, then the cautious shopper should insist on a pre-sale opening of the package, to check the power-supply wattage and verify that the power-connector is incompatible with older machine. Some retailers might not allow such detailed inspection.....

As expected, Microsoft is attempting to dump all the current RROD-susceptible machines as quietly as possible. Internal overheating has been the prime reason for RROD failures.




RE: Jasper Serial number pattern ?
By bill3 on 11/29/2008 12:36:05 AM , Rating: 2
Uhh no, RROD has been a declining issue with every 360 revision. Falcons are fine, for example.

It isn't like just because Jasper will likely reduce RROD even more, that every previous 360 is just waiting to explode into a ball of flames. If that was the case, then there wouldn't be enough working 360's for games like Gears of War and Halo 3 to sell millions of copies..

From all I've heard the failure rate of Falcons is already in line with other consumer electronics. Hell, there are plenty of people with still working launch 360's for that matter.


Awe..........WTF
By KingofL337 on 11/28/2008 9:13:06 PM , Rating: 2
I just purchased a x360 arcade today w/GH and it isn't the new model. I have a 175watt power supply.




Journalism Police
By Jimbo1234 on 11/29/2008 1:43:08 PM , Rating: 2
Is it possible to read at least 1 article on this site that does not have grammar errors?

"Apparently, it took longer to get the Jasper revision consoles into the market, as they are just not showing up."

Don't you mean "...just now showing..." instead?

Publishing in multiple languages and online only is not an excuse for poor writing. You will not find that in print media. Get some real writers and editors.




part numbers?
By djkrypplephite on 12/3/2008 2:46:52 PM , Rating: 2
How can you find out which ones are Jasper? Part numbers at all?




Hmm
By Ish718 on 12/4/2008 9:53:25 AM , Rating: 2
Why couldn't they get 45nm tech with the xenon?




Jasper in Pro model found
By spritle on 12/19/2008 12:11:07 PM , Rating: 2
I picked up a Jasper over the weekend at Fry's. It was actually a Pro model to my surprise! They were out of Arcades, so I was just curious in checking out the Pro. When I looked at the cutout, I saw the 12.1v rating on the 12v rail, I thought it was too good to be true. Got it home and the same rating was there at the power input.
Fry's had stacks of Pro's...Houston,TX 59 S at Belfort.




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