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Xbox 360 in the black for Q3 -- and not just the Elite console

Amidst wrestling with the public perception of the Xbox 360’s apparent hardware quality, Microsoft’s Entertainment and Devices division reported a profit for its third quarter.

Thanks to “robust demand” for Xbox 360 consoles, the Entertainment and Devices arm of the software giant saw revenue for the quarter grow 68 percent over the comparable period last year. The division had an operating profit of $89 million for Q3.

"During the three months ended March 31, 2008, Xbox platform and PC game revenue increased $418 million or 85% primarily as a result of increased Xbox 360 console sales, Xbox 360 video game sales, and Xbox Live revenue," the company said. "Xbox platform and PC game revenue increased $1.4 billion or 42% during the nine months ended March 31, 2008, as a result of increased Xbox 360 console sales, video game sales led by Halo 3, Xbox Live revenue, and Xbox 360 accessory sales."

Interestingly, the Xbox 360 was one of the bright points for Microsoft even though the company claimed that its console was in short supply for the first two months of 2008. For the fiscal year to date, however, Microsoft said that sales were up 34 percent to $6.57 billion, with 7.5 million Xbox 360s shipped.

For 2008 thus far, 1.3 million Xbox 360 consoles were shipped, bringing the cumulative console sales to more than 19 million. The Zune music player, which shares the division with the Xbox 360, is also said to be a contributing factor the operating profit, though Microsoft did not go into such detail.

Nearly a year ago, Microsoft’s Robbie Bach forecasted that the Xbox 360 division will turn a profit in 2008, something that has come true for at least the past quarter.

Microsoft said that it expects further increases in revenue for its Entertainment and Devices division thanks to the upcoming release of Grand Theft Auto IV, which is expected to drive sales of both Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.



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Hats off to Microsoft
By gaakf on 4/25/2008 10:43:43 AM , Rating: 5
They deserve to finally be making a profit. It's true that they did put many customers through hell with the Red Ring of Death, however I must say that Microsoft has created the best multi-player experience I have ever had on a console. I happily pay my $50 a year to game on XBOX Live. The other two don't come close in providing the Live! experience.




RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By DanoruX on 4/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By Cygni on 4/25/2008 11:23:10 AM , Rating: 5
Which are all on PC... and the guy you replied specifically mentioned CONSOLES.

Reading comprehension 101.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By Locutus465 on 4/25/2008 11:28:02 AM , Rating: 2
Additionally the services he listed also don't offer everything offered by live anyhow... The 360 like the PS3 doubles and a HT device, included with this is the movies digital download service. I use it almost exclusivly for rentals these days.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By afkrotch on 4/28/2008 3:05:43 PM , Rating: 2
A PC offers everything either console does and more. But as the post mentioned, he did specifically mention console and not a PC.

I don't mind paying $50 for XBL, but I am sick of having to pay for little downloads here and there. It's like they make you buy half the content that was free before.

I feel like it'll eventually lead you to buying something like R6: Vegas 3 and getting only 2 multiplayer maps and all other maps will cost you like $1 - $5 per map or buy a new gun for 50 cents. That or they give the game away for free. You get to play the 1st lvl, then any additional lvl will costs $5 - $10.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By tallcool1 on 4/25/2008 12:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
I think the point he is trying to make is that online gaming on the consoles, and XBOX in particular (since they make you pay to play) still has improvements to be made.
For example, a co-worker of mine whom has a 360 is heavily into COD4. He stopped by my house and I showed him COD4 on the PC and he was blown away by how much better it was!
1.) PC online multiplayer is FREE, along with CHAT programs.
2.) You can pick from a "list" of over 10,000 servers at any given time to play on.
3.) Player count can go up to as high as 50 players per server!
4.) Graphics in his own words looked better on my PC/monitor combo than it did on his 360/HDTV combo.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By erwos on 4/25/2008 12:29:38 PM , Rating: 3
1. The chat is free, yes. But you also have to set it up per server you play on, which completely sucks, and also hope everyone is using the same program.
2. I don't care about a list of servers. I want the game to pick me a good server and get me going ASAP.
3. 50 players is indeed nice.
4. Graphics is going to depend heavily on the system. I doubt they're going to look as good on a $350 PC as on a 360.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By ImSpartacus on 4/25/2008 3:02:29 PM , Rating: 2
Well I don't know about you, but most people still need a computer for Email, school, etc. Therefore, you add the 350$ average console price plus 450-700$ for a meager PC and you have 800-1050$ for a decent gaming PC.

Even then, do you actually play games for the graphics?


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By PAPutzback on 4/28/2008 9:24:48 AM , Rating: 1
There a huge difference in the performance needed to do word and email compared to play the latest game.

An old celeron will work fine for word and email. You need atleast a 2.5GHZ dual core and a 100+ video card to play cod or crysis at anything playable. And it would look no better than the 350 dollar 360. You need a hefty computer to make those games look good at 1680x1050 which is the mid range res for people buying lcd panels today.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By afkrotch on 4/28/2008 3:10:23 PM , Rating: 2
Let's not forget the HDTV to compliment the 360. Or a nice surround sound system. To fully enjoy either a PC or 360 will cost you more than $350.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/2008 2:35:28 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
1.) PC online multiplayer is FREE, along with CHAT programs.


Are there 7 million people playing COD4 at any given time ? I think World of Warcraft is proof enough that things being free don't always make them more compelling. And you pay far more for a year of WOW than Xbox Live.

No console is EVER going to be exactly like a PC. Your comparison is really unfair and just totally biased.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By Omega215D on 4/26/2008 2:58:56 AM , Rating: 2
With Gears of War MS ported Live to the PC and now they're supposed to be able to play against those on the XBOX. I wish I had the game to find out how it is.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By s3th2000 on 4/27/2008 7:40:48 AM , Rating: 2
It sucks unless u have Live! Gold membership. Even silver membership sux if ur in Aus, there are NO servers that are under 200ms ping...


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By BansheeX on 4/25/2008 7:27:09 PM , Rating: 2
You give subtle differences that I don't care about and forget to mention the one that matters most which MS should not have neglected: mouse support. I have a PS3 and was a bigtime PC gamer before it, but let me give you some things PC sucks at:

1. Online cheating.
2. New API made exclusive to new OS to force upgrade, but the OS may suck (Vista/DX10)
3. Catch 22 slows development: gamers waiting for games to take advantage of new hardware before upgrading, developers wanting to get the largest number of sales and developing for low end hardware. Look at Starcraft 2 - it would have looked three times better if developed on a new console.
4. Video card specific bugs, drivers breaking old games
5. Larger and non-standard game packaging... still
6. More expensive for a smaller number of games


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By SlyNine on 4/26/2008 12:11:02 AM , Rating: 2
Actually

1. I think most online cheating is due to lack of skill on the "victims" part , not to say it doesn't happen more on PC.

2. Name one game you need Vista for, and I'll give you ways around it. Not good enough for you, Name one Good NEW game that requires Vista. Or that even benefits from it.

3. Still plenty of good games out there. I find the PC has a better experience then Consoles, but hey you win some you loose some.

4. Haven't been a problem for me. I had to use a driver cleaner too run Crysis on an 1900XT but other then that so what. My Xbox360 broke and that was a WAY bigger inconvenience.

5. So I like the PC game cases.

6. Games are generally cheaper and their is a HELL OF ALOT more PC games then their are PS3, Xbox360, or Wii.

If you are talking about the price of a PC, well lets figure that you are going to get a PC anyways right, 300 for the PC and 300 dollars for the Console, you can buy a decent gaming PC for 600-700$. As far as how long it lasts, well it's a bit more expensive then the consoles but you have to figure that it lasts for generations with better graphics. My cousin has a 3000+ A64 and a 9700Pro, he can play a good game of Gears of War, at med settings at 800X600. He has 1 gig of memory. Cost him about 580$ before the Xbox360 even came out.

Does it cost more , yea maybe a bit but not much and their are 1000 more uses for it. For each their are positives and negatives.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By BansheeX on 4/26/2008 1:56:39 PM , Rating: 1
1. You're out of your mind. Cheating is rampant on the PC and nearly impossible on the 360 and PS3 due to the very nature of the locked down hardware and Live/PSN. Like I said, I was a PC gamer for years and years, played Counter-strike all the time. Cheaters would come into the room and just speed knife everyone, and it just ruined everything. Then you get the guys who use wallhacks and not aimbots to be less obvious. And I'm not talking false accusations based on frustration, either. Probably 90% of my accusations were accurate, I knew the game in and out. It was common and grows moreso as the game ages and hackers figure it out.

2. See #3, they're related. Why would a developer use the latest API when everyone is still on the older one? Why would a buyer go to the newer API when the developers are too scared to make games for the lowest audience?

3. PC gaming has turned into a low genre, penis comparison fest and SLI is a fucking joke. It has a ridiculously small number of exclusives now, and things like fighters and shmups and adventure games never show up for it due the lack of a standard and widely owned controller, which is superior to a keyboard for many genres.

4. Crysis isn't even an old game and you still had driver issues? LOL. AMD and NVidia have an impossible task in maintaining drivers for hundreds of different models going back for years with constantly changing featuresets and API support. Console development has ONE type of everything and treats gaming as an era. Far better direction for gaming, IMO. And look at how long it took the PC to accomplish what the PS2 did just by launching with the DVD media transition. There are STILL developers releasing onto multiple CD-ROMs, because they want the most sales (a CD-ROM will work on both a CD and DVD-ROM but a DVD will only work on a DVD-ROM drive).

5. You like PC logos differing depending on the maker? You like the pointlessly wide double sized dvd cases wasting shelf space? You like the companies like Bethesda and Blizzard using cheap non-durable cardboard.

6. Cumulatively? Even then, what did I say about old games not guaranteeing to work because they were written on old versions of Windows, and because AMD and Nvidia don't care about fixing issues if new driver releases break them. They only care about new games. DOS was completely abandoned for god's sake. Some guys had to write an emulator themselves for it.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By SlyNine on 4/27/2008 1:55:22 AM , Rating: 2
1. I play/played CS, Americas army, UT2004/ UT3/UT99, Age of empires 1&2&3, Supreme commander FA, Stalker, Crysis, Gears of War, Call of duty 4, Halo ,Fear combat and more. . I only run in to a few cheaters here and there. The worst was Americas army 1.7 But still its rare(except that horrid version). I did say their were less cheats on consoles but I have seen them so it definitely is possible.

2. You act as if DX9 has run its limits, May I remind you that both consoles have hardware that was originally designed for DX9. DX9 has alot of life left, Because of the performance issues for many with Vista we will probably see DX9 compatible titles coming for the next 2 years.

3. For now maybe, It does seem to be in decline but trends do change and I could see PC gaming coming back when these consoles reach 4 years old. It almost always happens, The same debate was waged when the PS2 came out.

4. Yea I had an easy to fix driver issue, that had nothing to do with the game. But for many people that almost never update their drivers they tend to play new games on way outdated drivers with not a lot of problems. Yes we know PCs are not all built equal but you act as if its just one problem after another, its not.

5. Yes I like my over sized cases with differing depending on the maker. Sue me.

6. I play tons of old games with NO driver issues. If you have a new driver break a game , then go back to the older driver. If you are a PC gamer then that should be second nature, I didn't say PC gaming was for every one.

Im not even mentioning the major plus side to PC's like mods and customizations/ optimizations. You like Consoles now, theirs not a problem with that. But I dont think PC gaming is going anywhere.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By DanoruX on 4/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By DanoruX on 4/26/08, Rating: 0
RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By SlyNine on 4/26/2008 3:19:58 AM , Rating: 4
While I'm a true PC gamer at heart, The Xbox360 and PS3 certainly are not personal computers "PCs".


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By DanoruX on 4/27/08, Rating: 0
RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By SlyNine on 4/28/2008 1:24:58 AM , Rating: 1
You can web surf, If that's all it takes for you to consider it a personal computer. But not many will agree with you. Can you do your taxes on it, host a website, burn movies, write software on it. No , any PC I've ever used you could.

Having SIMILAR parts does not make it a PC. Don't think that they are the same. I would not say they are typical PC parts either. The 7800GTX while having some similar architecture is still very different then the GPU inside your PS3. The Xbox360s GPU is just as different then its 1900XT counter part. Sorry they are just not PC's, I don't know how you could consider them the same.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By DanoruX on 4/28/2008 3:59:10 PM , Rating: 2
"Can you do your taxes on it, host a website, burn movies, write software on it. No , any PC I've ever used you could."

Yes, you can.

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_3


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By SlyNine on 4/28/2008 8:32:47 PM , Rating: 2
Can you upgrade the hardware, There you go.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By Enigmatic on 4/25/2008 11:35:46 AM , Rating: 2
It is debatable whether the Xbox LIVE fee is actually worth it. But some features are nice. The consistent friends list, voice chat for essentially everyone, and the well made menus that make navigation a breeze in the dashboard. I don't own a PS3 but apparently Sony are adding a lot of features to there online system (interface update, Home, etc). If PSN ever fully catches up to LIVE in terms of features and functionality, then Microsoft should make LIVE free or add something to justify the price.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By mcturkey on 4/25/2008 12:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty much everyone I've ever talked to that has Live has said it's definitely worth the $50/year. PSN has such a long way to go to fully catch up, and unless they completely redo the XMB, I don't think it's going to be on par for a very long time. The Cross Media Bar just isn't as intuitive to look at as the 360 dashboard, and so accessing online content isn't as quick or easy. Maybe it's just because I haven't spent as much time with my PS3 as my 360, but I find the way Sony does things to be rather silly. Take, for example, my experience with GT5:Prologue. Upon inserting the disc, I was told I needed to install it to the hard drive. Sigh... twenty minutes later, I can finally play. Wait, no I can't, I have to download an update. With 360, it prompts you to download the update, and then does it when you press a single button. With PS3, it says you have to go out to the XMB, select system, then system update. Then I have to babysit the process, accepting the update and EULA several times. Downloading the update was taking awhile, so I got up and walked away, figuring it should be done when I return. No, sadly, a half hour later, it was waiting for me to ok actually installing it. By the time it finally was all said and done, I didn't even want to play the game anymore.

If and when such a time occurs that PSN and Live are roughly equal in features, ease of use, and integration, then I'll agree that Live needs to be free. Until then, I'll gladly keep paying my $50/yr.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By AlphaVirus on 4/25/2008 2:12:46 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Upon inserting the disc, I was told I needed to install it to the hard drive. Sigh... twenty minutes later, I can finally play. Wait, no I can't, I have to download an update. With 360, it prompts you to download the update, and then does it when you press a single button. With PS3, it says you have to go out to the XMB, select system, then system update.

In this case your PS3 had a firmware update since the last time you turned it on. You do get a prompt about this when you turn the system on and perhaps you just overlooked it.
So

1. You were prompted to install the game to your HDD, well the 360 does not offer this prompt because 100% of the 360 users do not have a HDD to install on. For example GTA4 has an "optional install" for 360 while PS3 I believe is mandatory.

2. You had to download an update, which was the PS3 firmware. It asked you to accept the EULA because there are laws and crap you must accept, so you must accept before downloading. Then once it downloads it might asks "Do you want to install" because certain file types (Music, videos, themes, pics) can be installed to different drives if you have them installed. So this is pretty standard for all file types, you usually have to tell it which HDD to install too.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By epsilonparadox on 4/25/2008 8:32:54 PM , Rating: 1
Here's the problem with you number 2. I've had multitude of XBL updates including firmware updates and the only time I was asked to accept the EULA was when I was first setting up the xbox in '01 and 360 in '06. Otherwise XBL tells me I have an update, I accept it and wait for it finish. Nothing else is needed from me.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By omnicronx on 4/25/2008 12:44:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It is debatable whether the Xbox LIVE fee is actually worth it.
I think its totally worth it, the xbox live experience is much better that anything the ps3 has to offer. Those who have played call of duty on 360 and on ps3 know what I am talking about, the difference in lag is incredible. I shoot someone in the head on 360, he dies, do it on ps3, lags and its like i never hit him. You pay money for a reason, xbox live makes is a constant platform, there are many optimizations in place that many people take for granted(netcode or whatever their implementation is called).. That is until you compare two games head to head. Then again its still a split decision for me, play with little kids without lag, or play with adults with lag ;)


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By Enigmatic on 4/25/2008 12:54:27 PM , Rating: 1
I find these responses interesting. Some people I know who own PS3s seem to tout that PSN stacks up pretty well to LIVE. I've never used PSN so I couldn't say from personal experience. It seems the consensus here though (from people that own both) is that LIVE is actually still far superior to PSN. That's too bad for PS3 owners because they are getting some solid exclusive games this year which could benefit from a better online system and Wii owners are presented with, what is in my opinion, a mockery of what an online system should be. A 360 is still the best way to go for an online console gaming experience.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By peritusONE on 4/25/2008 1:49:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Some people I know who own PS3s seem to tout that PSN stacks up pretty well to LIVE.


I'm a user of both Live and the PSN, and IMO, Live beats the crap out of the PSN even when you factor in Live being a subscription service.

The biggest advantages of Live over the PSN:
- One gamertag across ALL games. If this doesn't sound like that big of a deal, let me know how you feel after you sign up for the Metal Gear Online beta and have to not only have a Konami signin ID, but then you have to have another login to get into the game. Both names can't be the same, and the password requirements for each are different as well.
- Standard voice chat built-in. No mess, no fuss, it's already there in every online game, just use it. This is even better when you realize that every 360 console sold comes with a headset.
- Standard friends list and messaging system that is accessible at any point while the console is on, no matter what you're doing.
- Cross-game invites. This may not sound like much until you've actually used it, but when you do, you realize this is one of the best ideas thought of to advance online gaming.

I'm not a 360 fanboy, I just enjoy Live a lot. I gladly pay my money to be a member. When you get used to Live and it's advantages, you kinda start to feel "disconnected" when playing the PS3. Hopefully Sony is currently making the right moves to compete with Live, but in the PSN's current state, it doesn't IMO.


RE: Hats off to Microsoft
By Ratwar on 4/25/2008 5:33:57 PM , Rating: 1
Well, Steam for free isn't worth much, they should probably pay us $10 a year just for all the hassle of having to be online for single player games.


By kilkennycat on 4/25/2008 6:31:25 PM , Rating: 3
$89million, less $1billion RROD write-off, less 2 years of cumulative net-loss, say (conservatively) another $1billion = minus ($1.909billion).

Yep, the Xbox360 sure is profitable...




By Lavace on 4/28/2008 1:22:36 AM , Rating: 2
I think you're forgetting Microsoft make billions a year.


GTA IV Console Package?
By Zensen on 4/25/2008 10:52:05 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft spent an undisclosed amount on GTA exlclusive extras and yet.. they haven't produced a console package for this, you'd think that would be a good idea, to promote something that a competitive cannot get.

Smart move on sony to have one ready for the masses.




Misleading Article
By deeznuts on 4/25/2008 1:57:02 PM , Rating: 2
This is not a good article. Revenue for their E&D department did rise, but how is that attributed to increased demand for 360 consoles if they only moved 1.3M for the whole quarter? Is that a good 1st Quarter?




By kilkennycat on 4/27/2008 12:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
There is at least one brand new game that is highly unlikely to ever be ported to the Xbox360. Funcom's The Age of Conan. The .zip file of the beta client weighs in at 12Gbytes !! Insufficient DVD capacity. And downloading to the miniscule HD available and running from there sure seems a little confining with regard to other items requiring storage on the same hard-disk. Anyway, the Xbox360 core system would be totally out of luck. Of course, Microsoft themselves has developed another game that will never be on the console. Flight Sim X. The Collector's edition is 14Gbytes when installed.

A portent of things rapidly to come in graphically-intensive computer/console games. Looks as if the 'Xbox720' with Bluray drive will have to come a lot sooner than Microsoft wishes or the billions of dollars spent on their console investment will fall off the bus.




xBox 720
By isorfir on 4/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: xBox 720
By OrSin on 4/25/2008 10:59:31 AM , Rating: 3
What? Was this a comment with a piont.
If he meant MS needs a new console out this year then he he has no clue what he is talking about. The 360 and PS3 has alot alot life in them.


RE: xBox 720
By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2008 11:09:12 AM , Rating: 5
The "720" won't be out for several more years. With the PS3 just starting to pick up steam and the Wii dominating, it would be a horrible point in time to offer gamers another option. The 360 has plenty of life left in it.

The 360 only lacks three things that make it perfect (IMO):

1. Mandatory hard drive. I know it's been beaten to death, but that's because it's important. It's vital for games and for content download - Microsoft's focal point with the 360.

2. Higher-density optical media. This one is debatable. DVD9 is more than adequate for the majority of games, but developers behind more epic titles are starting to complain... The 360 should be just fine for the remainder of this generation though, so... NBD. After all, a game like Mass Effect worked out great, so I can't complain... but in a dream world, the 360 would have built-in HD/BD.

3. Free online play. I've been a Live subscriber since the beta, I don't mind paying at all, but I'm hoping that eventually the revenue brought in from ads and purchased content will allow for free Live service for all.


RE: xBox 720
By FITCamaro on 4/25/2008 12:31:59 PM , Rating: 2
I figure an Xbox 720 might make an appearance in 2010.


RE: xBox 720
By bldckstark on 4/25/2008 1:16:44 PM , Rating: 3
I would like to see a web browser on the 360. The browsers I have used on other console systems really suck. I want to be able to pull up "ter intarweb" on the ol' HDTV at times, without connecting it to my desktop.

Can someone point me to an 50" or larger LCD TV for gaming that is "better" than a good plasma for about the same price?

After the Xbox 720, they will come out with two models. The Xbox 1080i, and the Xbox 1080p. They will cost the same and only geeks will be able to tell them apart.


RE: xBox 720
By Locutus465 on 4/25/2008 1:48:12 PM , Rating: 2
This can be hacked using media center if you're running vista or MC 2005. Though to be honest I prefer browsing the web on my laptop/desktop.


RE: xBox 720
By AmbroseAthan on 4/25/2008 3:20:47 PM , Rating: 3
Not sure why you might want LCD over Plasma, but here you go:

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Group/Produ...

Any of the Samsung, Panasonic, or Sharp you could consider very good. Have to jump to page two to get the 120Hz & LED back-lit TV's.


RE: xBox 720
By GuidoAnchovis on 4/25/2008 7:19:40 PM , Rating: 3
I personally love the 46' Sony XBR4. rated by CNET (last year) as on of the best LCD's out (better than most plasmas). I love it. amazing picture when playing my PS3. i did plenty of research and searching for about 3 months till i decided on it. I noticed with LCD, 46' was the best Size-Quality ratio. once you start getting larger it can have some issues with graphics with fast moving games, i.e. ghosting and artifacts. Samsung has a great new one out but its definately more expensive.

If your looking for a larger than 50' go with plasma. better refresh, more colors, and smoother pictures. Bigger plasmas are ussually way better than the bigger LCD's. in my opinion anyways from what knowledge I have and research ive done.

There may be exceptions, but if your looking at equal price range and size (lets say $3000) the plasma will ussually outperform.


RE: xBox 720
By peritusONE on 4/25/2008 1:56:03 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
1. Mandatory hard drive. I know it's been beaten to death, but that's because it's important. It's vital for games and for content download - Microsoft's focal point with the 360.


I couldn't agree more. Microsoft set the standard with the original XBOX in this field, then took a huge step back by not including it with every 360.

quote:
2. Higher-density optical media. This one is debatable. DVD9 is more than adequate for the majority of games, but developers behind more epic titles are starting to complain... The 360 should be just fine for the remainder of this generation though, so... NBD. After all, a game like Mass Effect worked out great, so I can't complain... but in a dream world, the 360 would have built-in HD/BD.


Well, you gotta think, given Sony's roots in consumer electronics, and Microsoft's insistence that they get out a year early went against having a next-gen optical format. Given Microsoft's year-early release basically forced their hand on using DVD. Not only might HD-DVD not been ready by the holiday 2005 launch, it would've been much more expensive, too. With Sony, they are a part investor in the blu-ray format, plus they had another year to help bring costs down a bit more in time for their 2006 launch. And even then they were losing a crap-load of money by incorporating blu-ray. However, it was the best decision they ever made.

quote:
3. Free online play. I've been a Live subscriber since the beta, I don't mind paying at all, but I'm hoping that eventually the revenue brought in from ads and purchased content will allow for free Live service for all.


The only time I ever see Live becoming free is if the competition offers something similar for free and Live loses subscribers.


RE: xBox 720
By bgm063 on 4/25/2008 7:00:00 PM , Rating: 3
I'd also like to add built-in wireless adapter. Kinda messed up that MS didn't think ahead and include that, but instead charge customers $100 for the add-on. Yeah you can connect through a hard wired connection, but sometimes nobody feels like running ethernet cords.


RE: xBox 720
By BansheeX on 4/25/2008 7:08:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
2. Higher-density optical media. This one is debatable.


I don't think it's debatable, it was probably the sole reason I didn't choose a 360 over a PS3. And not just for multimedia simplicity, either. The biggest problem was NOISE. The NOISE that comes out of my friend's 360 when his Halo 3 disc is spinning is the loudest effing thing I've ever heard come out of a console.


RE: xBox 720
By mondo1234 on 4/25/2008 11:09:52 AM , Rating: 2
Where are the Zune sales figures? After the news of the "Plays for Sure" sunset, I'm almost glad I didn't buy one.


RE: xBox 720
By Locutus465 on 4/25/2008 11:35:17 AM , Rating: 2
I think I finally see what you're talking about here... Though it's worth noting that Zune marketplace is still open for business which is what you would want to use for getting music to your Zune. I love the $15/mo plan.


RE: xBox 720
By TomZ on 4/25/2008 12:22:10 PM , Rating: 3
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Where are the Zune sales figures? After the news of the "Plays for Sure" sunset, I'm almost glad I didn't buy one.

I don't understand your point - Zune doesn't use Plays for Sure - that was an older system that Microsoft had developed prior to the Zune.


RE: xBox 720
By mondo1234 on 4/25/2008 9:04:27 PM , Rating: 2
The point is that MS was releasing earnings figures. DT only reviewed a small part of the news release. Overall, Wall Street was disappointed by MS's performance. The Zune is part of the Entertainment division. The point is, I didn't buy one because of MS's lack of support for their own standard and MS built the Zune not compatible. Now that they are sunsetting the servers, people who bought MS music are SOL.
Since MS didn't release the sales figures for the Zune, I have to assume it is not good news. Afterall, the press will cover the Iphone sales figures a day at a time, I guess the Zune must not be rattling any cages.


RE: xBox 720
By Locutus465 on 4/25/2008 11:10:28 AM , Rating: 2
The original x-box also came out late last generation, while the 360 inagurated the current gen a year before anyone else was ready. So I suspect the 360 is going to have a bit more longevity than the original x-box did. It's nice to see the 360 finally turning a profit for MS, hopefully it'll keep them going and innovating.

Microsoft may not (yet anyway) be perseived as the market leader in this sector but they have helped push in some great new changes in the console arena. The idea of profiles and being able to save games to them, internal storage (HDD) (yet they sort of backed away on 360 by making it optional, weird), and I think they were the first to actually have built in internet support rather than just allowing for an external modual to be attached.

I'm hoping they keep adding new innovative features and making the market as a whole better for all. Of course honestly at this point I can't imagine what else can be added that someone else hasn't done lol. Nintendo has motion control and Sony added a standard HDM player as part of the package.


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