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Steve Wozniak at the Android development building  (Source: geeky-gadgets.com)
Wozniak says the iPhone is for people who like simple, pretty things while the Android-based smartphones offer greater capabilities

Hardcore Apple fans are notorious for discarding anything without a shiny Apple logo, even if it sometimes means the competitor's product is better. One would expect Apple's co-founder, Steve Wozniak, to be at the top of that list of Apple loyalists, but it seems his love for Android-based smartphones tops that of the iPhone.

Wozniak, who co-founded Apple in 1976 with the late Steve Jobs and Ronald Wayne, of course loves Apple products -- including the iPhone. In fact, he owns an iPhone, and says it's a pretty, easy-to-use device. However, he also owns an Android-based smartphone, and had even better things to say about that particular gadget.

"My primary phone is the iPhone," said Wozniak. "I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do."

Wozniak was recently spotted at the Google campus' Android development building to scoop up a pre-release of the company's Galaxy Nexus, causing quite a stir amongst Google fans outside. As it turns out, Wozniak is good friends with Andy Rubin, the head of Android, and regularly uses a Motorola Droid Razr.

According to Wozniak, Android has a list of advantages over iOS, Apple's mobile operating system. For instance, Android's voice recognition software is superior to the iPhone 4S' assistant Siri. Wozniak said Siri worked well as an independent app for the iPhone, but since being built in to the iPhone 4S, it just doesn't perform as well as it once did.

"I have a lower success rate with Siri than I do with the voice built into the Android, and that bothers me. I'll be saying, over and over again in my car, 'Call the Lark Creek Steak House,' and I can't get it done. Then I pick up my Android, say the same thing, and it's done. Plus I get navigation. Android is way ahead on that."

Along with voice recognition and navigation, Wozniak also recognizes Android's superior app development process after speaking with a Foursquare developer who said Apple's approval process slows developers down while Android's allows programs to be released and improved faster.

Wozniak even mentioned that Android's software is as aesthetically pleasing as Apple's iOS, not to mention the battery life on an Android smartphone is better than the iPhone's.

"The people I recommend the iPhone 4S for are the ones who are already in the Mac world, because it's so compatible, and people who are just scared of computers altogether and don't want to use them," said Wozniak. "The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here's a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do."

Wozniak noted that Android has more advantages if "you're willing to do the work to understand it a little bit."

While Wozniak sees Android as a true Apple competitor, he still insists that Windows was never a great program to begin with and could never come close to Apple the way Android is.

"There's not as big a difference [between iOS and Android] as there was between Mac and Windows," said Wozniak.

Sources: The Daily Beast, PC World



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I was curious
By nangryo on 1/17/2012 11:03:58 AM , Rating: 5
of how Tony Swash will spin this thing.

Tony : Siri is still superior because the audio is so clear and lifelike, while android sound like cheap ordinary mp3 player

lol




RE: I was curious
By StanO360 on 1/17/2012 11:37:31 AM , Rating: 3
You may be right, but those commercials are effectively deceptive about the quality. Siri is a gimmick, having watched people attempt to use it, it is only marginally better than Android. Both need to be used carefully and deliberately. What I want to know is where is IBM in this niche? They've got the goods in voice recognition don't they?


RE: I was curious
By retrospooty on 1/17/2012 11:42:32 AM , Rating: 2
"I was curious of how Tony Swash will spin this thing."

I was too, but now that I think about it, they will do what they always do when you hit them with undeniable logic. Avoid it and act like they didnt read it.

My bet is that Tony, TakinYourPoints, and the other "Apple can do no wrong and their products are superior to all, no matter what" crowd will just not post here. They will just pick up again in the next article... So, I am bookmarking this one to pull it out later =)


RE: I was curious
By Booster on 1/17/2012 11:50:42 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
My bet is that Tony, TakinYourPoints, and the other "Apple can do no wrong and their products are superior to all, no matter what" crowd will just not post here. They will just pick up again in the next article...


Or maybe this entire 'superior' attitude is dead? (No pun intended)


RE: I was curious
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/17/2012 12:03:38 PM , Rating: 2
Dead? With them, it will never die.


RE: I was curious
By Hieyeck on 1/18/2012 8:18:21 AM , Rating: 2
I actually haven't seen them in a while. Maybe they drank the iKoolaid and followed Great Leader Jobs into the iCloud...


RE: I was curious
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: I was curious
By djcameron on 1/17/2012 9:17:52 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, except Leopard was decent too. On the other hand, Snow Vista (aka Snow Leopard) broke lots of things on my MBP, and I won't even risk playing with Lion.
WP7 is the best Phone OS around, and it's not even close.


RE: I was curious
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2012 9:31:48 PM , Rating: 2
Leopard had great features (as much as I loved Tiger, Expose etc were too good not to upgrade for), but it was a disaster in terms of stability up until 10.5.2. It certainly didn't feel airtight like Tiger did, but then again nothing did. Snow Leopard addressed whatever issues I had. As for Lion, I waited until 10.7.2 to drop before upgrading. No big deal either way, I think people are just fine sticking with SL.


RE: I was curious
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 7:06:19 AM , Rating: 2
"I know it's easy to make strawmen to create easy arguments, but I'm no fanboy.......the main thing is that Android is just so bad, that's all"

Then I apologize. I threw you in the TS boat prematurely. LOL. Anyhow I still disagree about Android (and now we know so does Woz.) The main thing that sticks in my head is that Google does it on an open platform. Anyone can make hardware for it to the specs they like at all price points and features. Apple has 1 model, its like a cake walk. How hard is that to support? In another thread in this article, I posted about Windows v Mac "Support 10's of thousands of different hardware from 100's of different manufacturers and software from 100's of thousands of different developers in a free and open environment" As you claim to be a user of both, surely you can appreciate the correlation of the argument. iPhone and MAc are closed, tightly controlled and offer very few hardware options. Windows and Android are open to any and all hardware possibilities and individual prefs.

If nothing else, lets all at least agree Apple's mountain is far smaller to climb. MS and Google have alot harder of a job to do to get thier OS's working.


RE: I was curious
By TakinYourPoints on 1/18/2012 8:37:18 PM , Rating: 2
Apology accepted.

As for the "how", that doesn't really matter so much to me, nor does it matter to most consumers, just the end result. I understand your points, I just think that they sound more like excuses for apologists, that's all.


RE: I was curious
By 325hhee on 1/17/2012 12:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
Tony probably had a temporary seizure after hearing Woz uses and likes the Android phone better, and Woz also pointed out Siri is flawed. Give him a couple of days to shakes his disbelief and deniability, and let him con volute some fantasy about Woz being abducted by aliens and they programed him to say that.


RE: I was curious
By Tony Swash on 1/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: I was curious
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/17/2012 1:24:48 PM , Rating: 2
I am sure they do with rose colored glasses....


RE: I was curious
By The Raven on 1/18/2012 3:41:27 PM , Rating: 2
Those aren't rose-colored glasses...it is just all the -1s reflecting off of his clear ones.


RE: I was curious
By bupkus on 1/17/2012 2:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
Your statement seems deceptive simply because Apple is the only hw vendor that offers iOS. If that weren't so it could result in a fragmentation of Apple's sales figures to other manufacturers just as Android's numbers would require a total of all sales of Android phones from all its hw vendors to offer a more fair comparison.


RE: I was curious
By Gio6518 on 1/17/2012 3:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wow it's so great to be famous ;)


I wouldn't say that invidious would be a better description


RE: I was curious
By invidious on 1/17/2012 4:28:26 PM , Rating: 3
I take offense to that!


RE: I was curious
By Gio6518 on 1/17/2012 7:14:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I take offense to that!


My bad..... Don't be offended its not like I called you Swash....


RE: I was curious
By Unspoken Thought on 1/17/2012 3:51:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wow it's so great to be infamous ;)


Fixed.

Don't mean to put a thorn in your side, but how are OS sales and Enterprise market share going for you? :)


RE: I was curious
By Tony Swash on 1/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: I was curious
By Reclaimer77 on 1/17/2012 5:00:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The iPhone 4S will outsell all other handsets this quarter and next quarter. And the one after that.


Considering it's the only (new) smartphone Apple offers, and probably will be for the next 12'ish months, that's not as an impressive statement as you make it out to be if you think about it.

quote:
The third best selling handset will be the iPhone 3GS.


Nice try. But the 3GS isn't being "sold", it's being given away with a contract.


RE: I was curious
By augiem on 1/17/2012 5:17:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nice try. But the 3GS isn't being "sold", it's being given away with a contract.


You are kidding, right? About half the smartphones out there are "being given away with a contract" yet they still count? Heck, even Droid Razr and other top-tier phones were being "given away" around Christmas. Apple makes the money from the carrier who agrees to pay X price for it. They got their $$$ regardless of what the end user pays for it.

I'm not an Apple defender or fan by any means, but your argument is not logical.


RE: I was curious
By Reclaimer77 on 1/17/2012 5:45:43 PM , Rating: 3
Bull! Cheapest Razr out there is $111 with contract. That's the cheapest I can find at a store. Even on Wirefly.com it's $169.99 with a new Verizon contract.

Anyway my point was citing iPhone 3GS sales is party bogus BECAUSE it's free with contract. Where did I say NO OTHER phones are like this, though?


RE: I was curious
By Reclaimer77 on 1/17/2012 5:52:59 PM , Rating: 2
You just have a serious reading comprehension problem fyi.

What I said: Nice try. But the 3GS isn't being "sold", it's being given away with a contract.

What you saw: Nice try. But the 3GS isn't being "sold", it's being given away with a contract. No Android phones do this so Apple is clearly cheating.


RE: I was curious
By testerguy on 1/18/2012 4:02:44 AM , Rating: 2
No, actually, you miss the point.

The 3GS is being sold, even if it's being 'given away' with a contract.

Apple gets paid when the 3GS is sold on contract, because the price of the contract itself pays for the phone. Indeed, many network providers will give you a contract price with or without phone. The extra you pay - is a cost.


RE: I was curious
By Tony Swash on 1/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: I was curious
By Reclaimer77 on 1/17/2012 8:00:58 PM , Rating: 4
Tony even a child could figure it out. There is no single Android handset. But Apple releases a single handset every 15 months or so.

So by saying it's the "single highest selling" handset might be accurate, but that's only because Apple isn't as diverse as Android. NOT that it's preferred.

All combined, more smartphones sold run Android. Just because there isn't a "single highest selling" one, is completely irrelevant.

Basically your argument is a straw man.


RE: I was curious
By testerguy on 1/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: I was curious
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 7:17:24 AM , Rating: 3
You and TS are both wrong and trying to paint with a rosy brush for Apple. The point is that Android phones are outselling IOS phones by more than 2 to 1. That same lack of diversity and closed market mentality is what got them nearly extinct from the Personal Computer business.

You wanna ignore the fact that Android is greatly outselling iPhone, fine. As a single model, yes iPhone sells the most, and it is very profitable for Apple. But the diversity factor will only grow. There will be more and more Android models and more support and more attention to it and the gap will grow.


RE: I was curious
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 9:05:08 AM , Rating: 2
Man are you REALLY this stupid? Whatever I give up. The guy under you said it for me, because he obviously has an IQ higher than a mountain goat and gets this stuff, unlike you and Tony.

But since you're so hellbent on comparing manufacturers 1 on 1 to Apple. Guess what? Samsung sells more handsets than Apple. What now? Ran out of straw?


RE: I was curious
By The Raven on 1/18/2012 4:05:28 PM , Rating: 3
Wait, wait, wait... which iPhone 4S are you referring to? The WHITE one or the BLACK one? Oh you were combining both of them? Oh I see...


RE: I was curious
By anactoraaron on 1/17/2012 4:22:58 PM , Rating: 1
2 things missing from "Tony's" responce.

1. Links to macworld or apple_lovers following your "response"

2. You forgot to mention 'market share'

That should get ya close.


RE: I was curious
By Tony Swash on 1/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: I was curious
By themaster08 on 1/18/2012 3:06:10 AM , Rating: 3
Except your friend Brian Hall fails to mention the Android device and version of OS he's comparing. His "experience" of Android is clearly going to be a neagtive one because of his bias towards Apple. After all, isn't that the reason you read his crap anyway? Because he shares the same bias as yourself?

Furthermore, how can you possibly agree with his statement when you quite clearly don't even own an Android phone, and have very likely never used one?


Disagree
By Booster on 1/17/2012 11:16:24 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here's a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do.


It's exactly the opposite for me: iPhone scares the crap out of me. I don't want to use iTunes, really dislike DRM, don't want proprietary Apple cables at $50 a pop, want to be able to replace the battery when it weakens, to install a memory card etc. etc.

IMO there is nothing 'simple' about the iPhone. In fact, it's a bigger PITA to use it than an Android phone. With my Android, I just connect it to the PC via standard Micro USB - and it works just like an ordinary flash drive. I can receive and send files over Bluetooth etc.

Even more, AFAIK it's not possible to install even a primite widget on an iPhone. So, in no way it's a simple and phone. Bloated? Yes. Limited? You bet. Impractical due to it's tiny screen size, it's fragility and shiny back designed to collect fingerprints? Sure.




RE: Disagree
By retrospooty on 1/17/2012 11:22:10 AM , Rating: 5
"It's exactly the opposite for me: iPhone scares the crap out of me. I don't want to use iTunes, really dislike DRM, don't want proprietary Apple cables at $50 a pop, want to be able to replace the battery when it weakens, to install a memory card etc. etc."

Because you are at least somewhat technically inclined... If you were less capable, you wouldn't even be aware that of most of the things you mentioned are a problem.


RE: Disagree
By msheredy on 1/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: Disagree
By Booster on 1/17/2012 12:07:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
WTF is a primite widget? Hell Google doesn't even know what that is LOL!


Primitive widget. Couldn't edit it out (( ;). Haven't touched an iPhone since 3GS, do you guys also have widgets nowadays?


RE: Disagree
By Sazar on 1/17/2012 12:41:52 PM , Rating: 2
- The cables issue is a big one unfortunately. Even Apple licensed products don't necessarily fit certain cases, for example, such as the Apple bumper. Nothing an exacto knife and a file can't fix but that's not my idea of convenience.

- The battery on my 4 is pretty good. Keeps charge well enough but then again, my brother and my friends haven't had to replace their batteries due to them stopping working. They typically don't last quite as long but there is a lot more going on with Androids.

- Flash drive == win. I would love to use my phone as a Flash drive. iCloud costs money beyond 2 GB. And you can also send files via the cloud on pretty much all devices these days. Dropbox, for example, has been around for a while.

- The iPhone has no widgets. The pulldown menu has weather and stuff but that's about it. No live tiles or widgets. Biggest continued omission from the iOS.

- My iPhone 4 has 2 separate APPLE folders for crap apps that I cannot delete and never use.

- I wish my phone had flash just so I could catch up on shows and what not that aren't on Netflix, Hulu and the like. I personally find it incredibly limiting.

- Fingerprints are an inherent problem on all phones, he was talking about the glass back being a magnet and serving no actual purpose.


RE: Disagree
By Solandri on 1/17/2012 4:45:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There are plenty of 3rd party manufactures of the so called "Proprietary cables". Oh and check the link below.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA591G/B?fnode=M...

20 bucks and it's yours

This is a big problem with Apple products. You can get a microUSB cable for 72 cents. They're probably closer to 10-20 cents to manufacture. So Apple is probably making a good $19 of profit off of each of those cables they sell (cue the chorus saying Apple products aren't overpriced).
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id...

Despite the EU mandating that all phones must use a microUSB interface for charging, Apple has been dragging its heels. I think they offer some sort of adapter which lets you plug a microUSB cable into their proprietary plug. Which defeats the purpose of the EU legislation - facilitating interoperability among the components which don't need to be proprietary. You can accidentally leave your cable at home while going on a trip, and just borrow a friend's or grab a cheap cable at the store. Unless it's Apple.

And I don't think you know what "proprietary" means. It doesn't mean nobody else manufactures parts which fit it. It means an interface which is unique to your product, doesn't follow the industry standard. (In Apple's defense, there was no industry standard at the time they started making iPhones. But the rest of the industry has migrated away from their proprietary connectors to microUSB / microUSB+HDMI. Apple has not.)

quote:
Limited – Well yea sorta (for the short time) but with Adobe ceasing development on mobile flash what really is the limit?

Flash is going to stick around for a long, long time. It got abused as a way to broadcast videos and make websites and even apps. Most of those functions are going to be (rightfully) usurped by HTML5. But at its root it is an animation tool. It started off as a way to animate scalable vector graphics, blt 2D bitmaps (for things like scrolling backgrounds), and synchronize with audio. Lots of artists use it to produce animations more sophisticated than animated GIFs. There are even animated movies and TV shows made in flash (including the ubiquitous My Little Pony).

Given its strong presence in the artistic community, it's always puzzled me why Apple (whose products primarily cater to artists) doesn't support it. The battery life argument doesn't fly - the Android browsers don't play flash animations until you click on them, so they don't use any extra juice. I suspect the real reason is that flash can operate as a code interpreter. So allowing flash on iDevices would break Apple's monopoly on app distribution to those devices.


RE: Disagree
By priusone on 1/18/2012 1:57:03 AM , Rating: 2
Apple probably also didn't want to have to spend the time getting Adobe to work in iOS, but ultimately, I think the apps issue is more likely. That, and web developers used Flash instead of more complexed, but easier to display protocol. And watching this happen, Jobs decided to act the way that he did, much to the dismay of hundreds of millions of customers.


RE: Disagree
By fredgiblet on 1/18/2012 3:13:53 PM , Rating: 2
I've heard stability and security as reasons why Apple skipped Flash. It makes sense as those are extremely weak points for Flash and selling points (legitimate or not) for Apple.


RE: Disagree
By augiem on 1/17/2012 5:39:16 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
BTW how many times have your had to replace your cell phone battery?


Since I don't buy and dump a phone every year like some people, I changed my battery on my last phone twice during its 6 year lifetime. Though it should have probably been changed 4 times realistically since it did start having trouble holding a charge about a year after I got the 2nd battery.

It's well known lithium ion batteries lose capacity with age from manufacture. That's partly why you have to watch out for bargain basement prices for them on ebay and such. My phone always did okay on standby, but once you started talking, it was easy to tell that the battery couldn't hold a charge.

Apple offers the service for changing the battery, therefore it must follow that Apple knew that people do need their batteries changed.


RE: Disagree
By testerguy on 1/18/12, Rating: 0
Windows!
By Raiders12 on 1/17/2012 11:14:54 AM , Rating: 2
Iphone is for simple
Android is for those who want a new handsent every 2 weeks
Windows 7 is for those who like a smooth operating, consistent, and modern smartphone.

I never understood the "App" argument either. Who wants a light saber app? Fish bowl app? Pet hamster app?




RE: Windows!
By kleinma on 1/17/2012 11:27:19 AM , Rating: 3
It also seems like Woz's mention of Windows is not with regards to the phone, but with regards to the desktop OS Windows verus OSX. Not WP7 versus iOS.


RE: Windows!
By augiem on 1/17/2012 2:55:59 PM , Rating: 2
It sounds to me like Woz is comparing MacOS vs Windows in the distant past. Note it says Windows "was never a great program to begin with."


RE: Windows!
By tng on 1/17/2012 11:30:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I never understood the "App" argument either. Who wants a light saber app? Fish bowl app? Pet hamster app?
Same here.

The advertisement of how many apps is a straw dog argument by Apple. Yes Apple has 500,000 apps, but really 499,000 are complete crap. How many fart apps do you need? It's not as if you could load all half a million on one phone anyhow.

I have an Ipod 4G since I had previously built my cars entertainment system around my old Ipod, and it works fine, has decent capabilities, but I would not buy an Iphone.


RE: Windows!
By Booster on 1/17/2012 11:37:51 AM , Rating: 2
FartDroid and Squeaky Fart come to mind ;). At least they're free for Android, you don't have to pay money like in iOS.


RE: Windows!
By Booster on 1/17/2012 11:40:34 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, Motion Fart, but the farts are quite squeaky actually.


RE: Windows!
By Stuka on 1/17/2012 11:43:00 AM , Rating: 3
You're kidding yourself. Proper apps are fantastic. Speaking for connected apps, they provide a clean, concise interface which a browser cannot offer. A great example is AllTrails. It provides an easy interface to browse trails near your location and if you favorite one, it automatically downloads the info for offline viewing later, including photos and map view of trailhead. You can't do that with a web browser... at least not without a lot of work. Google Sky Map, iBird, photo editors, ftp client, street/topo navigation with offline data, fitness apps... there are plenty of extremely useful tools, not just games, which are best experienced as an app.


RE: Windows!
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2012 7:22:47 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree. Native apps provide functionality. While garbage is expected on any platform, it follows that more total apps result in a greater number of quality apps. The "iFart" argument is an easy and lazy strawman. There is tons of trash on Windows, but that's to be expected given that there are so many applications on it, and it doesn't at all diminish the excellent applications and robust developer support that it does have. The same follows for iOS. Games and casual apps aside, no other mobile platform comes close in terms of enterprise and business apps.

If you want to do superficial things like tweak your home screen, Android is for you. Android is a good casual tweaky OS for people who don't mind a bit of sluggishness even on fast hardware. iOS is where it's at in terms of useful native applications, and WP7 should hopefully get there soon in the next year.


odd
By Luticus on 1/17/2012 12:04:19 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Wozniak noted that Android has more advantages if "you're willing to do the work to understand it a little bit.


Odd, I fee the same way about Linux AND Windows as compared to Mac. Mac feels like a baby proof joke of an OS with many limitations and NO window manament what-so-ever. Aero kicks the crap out of Aqua and so does Plasma (KDE)! Windows straight owns Mac with regards to multi-monitor support/use. Lion got rid of spaces and expose and opps for mission control (a shadow of it's former self). And just TRY using a Mac witout your mouse/trackpad (BAH!).




RE: odd
By Commodus on 1/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: odd
By retrospooty on 1/17/2012 1:18:26 PM , Rating: 3
"Why is it that Windows diehards almost have a fetish for things being hard to use?"

That's not what it is... Windows has more options and more control, and is also open to any developer or hardware maker to create and ship product for. Its not that its harder... Its harder for those that are non-technical, yes.

"Some of us want to get things done on our computers, not brag about how we've conquered an obtuse interface."


Obtuse? Clearly you havent used anything since the almost 11 years old WinXP. Win7 is awesome. I personally find it alot easier to deal with than OSX. Your opinion is your opinion, but you cant say anything concrete about the interface. You are right though, if its too hard for you, you should use a Mac.

ANd is that really the idea you have in your head about Windows users? We just sit around and "brag about how we've conquered" windows interface? LOL. Check yourself man... The entire world runs off windows, including the factories that make Mac's. The planning, the prodtion control, purchasing, logistics, reverse logistics, accounting and every other facet of the business runs off Windows PC's and servers. Lets see Apple accomplish anything close to that.


RE: odd
By Commodus on 1/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: odd
By retrospooty on 1/17/2012 5:34:52 PM , Rating: 2
"And "non-technical" defines the vast majority of the world's population....They're not worse, or stupid, like you accuse them of being "

You are correct, most people arent technical at all... Where did I say anything like they are stupid? The only thing I think is stupid is people that compare Mac to PC as if Mac is so superior. Support 10's of thousands of different hardware from 100's of different manufacturers and software from 100's of thousands of different developers in a free and open environment, set up a client/server enterprise software system that the entire world runs off of and support it. THEN compare Mac to PC. There is no way Apple could ever accomplish such a task. That's all I am saying. Mac isnt even a complete platform.

"That's the point. It's getting technology to people who don't need to know about or waste time in Device Manager."

If that's the point, Apple fails at it. Apple still only has 5% worldwide marketshare (after its meteoric rise the past 4 years from 3% to 5%).

I have used OSX too. I had a Mac Mini and used it exclusively for months as my main computer... Not impressed. Its OK. Both browse, print, do office apps and email very well, but there is a reason MS owns the market. Its not because its too hard to use and its not because its inferior. The superior product won. Anyone that thinks Mac is a better platform doesn't really think of all the aspects of a complete "platform".


RE: odd
By bobsmith1492 on 1/17/2012 1:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
Shortcut keys get work - real work - done much faster than any full visual GUI ever can. You can open programs, do things, and get results faster than you can move a mouse over, hover, wait for something to pop up, get the next menu, move to the right option, click, and so on. You don't even have to look at the screen; it's much less distracting.

Full visual GUIs are easier to use the first time, but you can never use them quickly and efficiently.

Take my calculator, for example. I have it pull up with cntl+alt+c. I can open it and start entering numbers on the keypad with my eyes closed, without looking or barely even thinking. Muscle memory is used, and so there is no distraction to the train of thought by looking around to find the right icons and buttons. The same goes for any other programs I use. Then I have extra space on my screen too, since monitor makers don't want to add any more resolution I don't want to use it all up with task bars and menu bars.


RE: odd
By Commodus on 1/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: odd
By Solandri on 1/17/2012 5:02:50 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There's also better ways to create shortcuts and speed up tasks than simply to use keyboard shortcuts like a crutch. Gestures, interface layers. You have to remember Ctrl-Alt-C; I just swipe three fingers to the side and have a calculator, and a dictionary, and Wikipedia, and...

Just FYI, Apple introduced the concept of shortcut keys duplicating menu commands. WordPerfect had them, but required you to outright memorize them. The Macintosh displayed equivalent keyboard shortcuts for certain commands in the drop-down menu. So if you found yourself using a menu command over and over, and noticed there was a keyboard shortcut, you could start using the shortcut.

Ctrl-x for cut, ctrl-c for copy, and ctrl-v for paste (or command-x, command-c, command-v) in particular were established as a standard by Apple. I still remember them getting ridiculed for choosing command-c for copy, since accidentally hitting ctrl-c would cause an interrupt (would force most programs to stop running). It's disingenuous to deride those as unintuitive and a crutch now that Apple is pushing something different.

Also, keyboard shortcuts are gestures. Ctrl-alt-c is a three figure gesture whose meaning is encoded by position. Your swipe to open the calculator is a three finger gesture whose meaning is encoded by velocity. They are essentially the same thing. I deal with both types of gestures (multiple fingers with position and velocity encoding) when I play the piano. Neither is easier nor more memorable than the other.


RE: odd
By TakinYourPoints on 1/17/2012 7:27:06 PM , Rating: 2
You beat me to it. Keyboard gestures were introduced by Apple and are consistent across OS X applications. I actually remapped Left Alt in Windows to Left Ctrl (aka Command in OS X) so that the keyboard modifier commands are physically identical between the two operating systems. It's also physically easier for assigning hotkeys in Starcraft 2. ;)


Uninformed opinion
By bug77 on 1/17/2012 11:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
Clearly, Woz needs to talk to Tony. Only then will he be able to see the light.




RE: Uninformed opinion
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/17/2012 12:06:41 PM , Rating: 2
He will never see the light.


RE: Uninformed opinion
By testerguy on 1/18/2012 4:24:33 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, even after Woz speaks to Tony, Woz won't see the light.


RE: Uninformed opinion
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/18/2012 9:28:22 AM , Rating: 2
Fortunately, Woz is a much smarter person than Tony and you ever hope to be.


In other words.....
By GotThumbs on 1/17/2012 11:51:39 AM , Rating: 4
What this boils down too...is that the IPhone is a great tool for those who have very little technical abilty. It's like how AOL was internet for beginners. AOL users were spoon feed information. That's what Apple does. Jobs even felt people were so stupid, that they didn't know how to hold a phone. :-)

Problem is...as peoples tech knowledge grows...then want greater control/options and Apple is such a restrictive company. As companies build more fashionable products...Apple will continue to loose market share.

Apple is fine for others, but I've never owned an Apple product and have no need/desire too. Wozniak was the brains of Apple...and Jobs was the Salesman, but He was a very good salesman.




RE: In other words.....
By Tequilasunriser on 1/17/2012 1:08:15 PM , Rating: 1
I wouldn't say it's a tool for people with little tech ability. (Though it certainly does help those people)

I have what I consider a better than average knowledge of tech. I currently have an Android that I've rooted and flashed. I build my own computers, I build amps for my audio equipment, etc.

For my next phone I want an iPhone because I want simplicity. iPhone is for people that just want to get up and running in as few steps as possible.

Besides, iPhone can be jail broken and modded if one decides they want to complicate their life. ;)


RE: In other words.....
By Unspoken Thought on 1/17/2012 3:54:17 PM , Rating: 2
Same could be said for WP7.


There you have it...
By retrospooty on 1/17/2012 11:10:50 AM , Rating: 3
Its just Woz's opinion, and to each his own, but there arent alot of more well respected and well rounded (in many ways LOL)open minded techies out there.

I think both are good and both have advantages and disadvantages. For my $$$, Android wins by far, but if I were technically challenged, I might like Apple more.

How will Apple fanboys spin this I wonder?




RE: There you have it...
By StanO360 on 1/17/2012 11:38:53 AM , Rating: 2
Mind you I'm a geek, but I would just get tired of the proprietary world of Apple, special cables, iTunes etc.


I like Android, but...
By Commodus on 1/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: I like Android, but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/17/2012 1:40:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My Galaxy Nexus gets good battery life, but it's also the HSPA+ version
What provider? I thought it was only on Verizon at the moment which is LTE and not HSPA+


RE: I like Android, but...
By Commodus on 1/17/2012 3:57:37 PM , Rating: 1
Rogers - I have the unlocked model in Canada. You can buy the Galaxy Nexus from Bell, Rogers, Telus, and Virgin here, and if you pay full price, it's the unlocked version. US is currently trapped on Verizon only unless you import.


RE: I like Android, but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/17/2012 4:50:22 PM , Rating: 2
Canada, that's why... Yep, Verizon only here at the moment. Looks like a sweet phone though.


Nuff said
By Souka on 1/17/2012 4:27:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"My primary phone is the iPhone," said Wozniak. "I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do."


So in otherwords: Apple > Android

I personally like Android over Apple, some things better while somethings less so.

But I think this quote outlines his preference.... done.




RE: Nuff said
By JoJoman88 on 1/17/2012 5:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
Funny that the salesman at the AT&T store(back in Oct.) used pretty much the same kine as Wozniak when showing what was different about each phone type. Even my non-tech 13 year old son could see that you could do more with an Android phone, so we all went with a Sammy Infuse and we love them.


stepping away from fandom
By isayisay on 1/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: stepping away from fandom
By bobsmith1492 on 1/17/2012 3:25:58 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing difficult is ever easy.


RE: stepping away from fandom
By testerguy on 1/18/2012 4:26:45 AM , Rating: 1
Nothing easy is ever difficult


By Arsynic on 1/17/2012 11:55:35 AM , Rating: 2
Why settle if you don't have to have the latest Angry Birds iteration on day one.




And this is why....
By inperfectdarkness on 1/17/2012 4:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
Woz has always been a god to me.




Apple Vs. Android
By Rasputin814 on 1/17/2012 5:34:18 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's silly for people to always argue which one is superior to another. I think 90% of the population doesn't care about Android vs. iOS. For the more tech savy people who like to customize and dive into an OS by making it their own, Android is heads and shoulders above iOS. But for those people who just wants something easy that gets the job done, the iPhone is perfectly fine. TBH, most people will just buy whichever one is more aesthetically pleasing.




Short sighted...
By Ramstark on 1/19/2012 1:20:57 PM , Rating: 2
Someone has to give him a Windows Phone to Woz, he thinks iOS is "easy and intuitive" How many sites and reviews have I seen with experts saying the most easy and intuitive interface is WP?




By themaster08 on 1/18/2012 2:50:05 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
This guy is just another number engineer that got lucky with Apple.
It was Woz's technical abilities that began Apple in the first place. It was Jobs that got lucky, finding someone as talented as Woz.

quote:
the gui is almost outdated compare to Apple
How can something that was apparently "copied" from Apple be almost outdated in comparison? Please do explain. Is it the multiple homescreens? The notification bar? Have you ever even used an Android phone?


By Cheesew1z69 on 1/18/2012 9:30:28 AM , Rating: 2
Mine runs smooth, there is no updates every month. Also, if it wasn't for Woz, your precious Apple would not be around today most likely.


By inperfectdarkness on 1/18/2012 9:39:37 AM , Rating: 2
i'm sorry, but a woz-less apple is NOT van halen--sans david lee roth. apple does not exist or never would exist without the woz.

steve jobs is the 21st century equivalent of P.T. Barnum, nothing more. i'd be glad to have that kind of front-man hawking whatever products i could come up with...but let's face facts--he's just a front man. jobs was never the brains, the genius, or the know-how. he was a very gifted, charismatic salesman...and that's all.


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