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IPhone just not cutting it for those with manicures, fat fingers

Apple Inc. has seen some wild complaints, from iFires to widespread outrage over its locking policies.  But complaints about manicures and chubby fingers?  This is truly new territory to Apple.

The Cupertino based corporation is poised to sell the vastly improved 3G version of its popular smartphone for only $199, starting July 11.  Apple also announced it will give all iPhone owners a new software upgrade with improved functionality.  The new 3G phone in particular looks very attractive with GPS, a faster network, a simulated method for running multiple programs, lower cost, and more.

Unsurprisingly, the new iPhone is generating some complaints.  Some are upset about the lack of video, which is common among most camera phones.  Others are angry that Apple isn't offering a means of memory expansion, such as miniSD cards.  Still others complain that Apple is just being lazy by not offering what seems like a simple functionality -- copy and paste for text.

The LA Times reported on a much stranger line of issues encountered largely by the fairer sex.  The iPhone responds to electrical charges from fingertips, allowing its touch functionality to work.  It won't respond to fingernails.

Erica Watson-Currie of Newport Beach, Calif., a consultant and lecturer, is among the women up in arms that the iPhone won't respond to their long fingernails.  She states, "Considering ergonomics and user studies indicating men and women use their fingers and nails differently, why does Apple persist in this misogyny?"

Watson-Currie pegs her average fingernail length for those curious between an eighth and a quarter of an inch. She yearns for a stylus to save her from her iPhone woes.  Unfortunately many have praised the iPhone for not using a stylus, which many feel is a burden and easy to lose.

Jennifer Aaker, professor of marketing at the Haas School of Business at the University of California, Berkeley says that by trying to fill many shoes -- web machine, music player, and cell phone -- it is bound to run into these kind of complaints.  She states, "Any time you fulfill multiple roles, there are going to be gripes."

There have also reportedly been gripes by users with "fat fingers" having trouble getting the phone to respond.  This problem affects both genders equally.

Despite the dissatisfaction, iPhone sales among women and in general are up.  Since June 2007, Apple has sold 6 million iPhones.  In October only one in four iPhones bought was by a woman; that number has now jumped to one in three, based on information from Nielsen Mobile.

Many people have complained about Apple's virtual keyboard and its lack of tactile feedback.  According to Gavin Lew, managing director of User Centric Inc., which studies the iPhone's reception among users, some users don't like the autocorrect feature, which attempts to guess at words typed wrong.  Many users like the feature though he adds.

Some women are learning ways to live with the iPhone and have pretty fingernails.  Heidi Roizen, a prominent Silicon Valley investor and entrepreneur and long fingernail aficionado, only uses her thumbs on the screen.  She says, "My thumbnail does not hit it" thanks to a shorter thumbnail.

While those with long fingernails or larger fingers may be incensed at Apple's lack of compassion, they seem unlikely to be able to do much to slow down the iPhone juggernaut.  They'll do their best to voice their complaints, though, if the latest reports are any indication.  Windows 7, from Apple rival Microsoft, might be in trouble too, as it looks to implement extensive finger driven capabilities as well.



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By TomCorelis on 6/25/2008 4:39:39 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
why does Apple persist in this misogyny?


Design flaws are misogyny now? *puke*




RE: .
By masher2 (blog) on 6/25/2008 4:50:13 PM , Rating: 5
I think its far more likely the accuser is herself engaging in misandry...given plenty of men have fingernails at least 1/8" long, why would she feel this issue would be confined to women?


RE: .
By just4U on 6/25/2008 9:30:38 PM , Rating: 5
Probably because Men are unlikely to ever complain about it....


RE: .
By phxfreddy on 6/28/2008 2:09:42 AM , Rating: 2
big fat american women and their chubby fingers!


RE: .
By oab on 6/25/2008 11:25:56 PM , Rating: 2
She could use her nuckle. The iPhone should respond to that right, and if you tilt it slightly to one side, it becomes a very accurate pointing device.

People who have put on so much weight that their fingers are now fat all the way up to the nuckle need not apply. Or people who in hot/humid weather have their fingers "swell" (such as myself) might find there is a loss of precision.

Get over yourself! Seriously. You would have the same problem with ultra-tiny-clicky-button smartphones too most likely.


RE: .
By afkrotch on 6/26/2008 8:34:20 AM , Rating: 5
Play with your nipple until it gets hard. Then use that.


RE: .
By Etern205 on 6/26/2008 8:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
This will give Apple another item to sell.
For those having trouble using the iPhone those with fat fingers or longer finger nails, we sell an
additional item called the iFinger. It's a stylus looks like a finger and looks and feels like a finger.

The item only cost a low price of just $99 dollars.


RE: .
By kyleb2112 on 6/29/2008 6:29:18 AM , Rating: 2
Now you're clearly advocating nipple abuse.


RE: .
By tastyratz on 6/25/2008 4:56:09 PM , Rating: 5
and how is it a design flaw?

This device is sold in massive quantities and to a completely broad audience. If people with fat fingers didn't have a reason to complain someone else would complain the buttons are too big making the phone so much larger.
A stylus would require a different touchscreen setup and for what? a far smaller number of buyers than those who would complain.

They obviously appeal to their target audience with such a highly successful product line and sales rates.

Someone give that lady a jitterbug and tell her to return her iphone.
If 1 phone worked for everyone we would only have 1 model phone.


RE: .
By spluurfg on 6/25/2008 5:31:36 PM , Rating: 5
They could always sell a fat-finger version of the iphone that's the size of a paperback novel. It'd boast a bigger screen and great battery life, and it'd probably fit in their pockets, assuming their pockets are proportional to their pants, and that their pants are proportional to their bodies.


RE: .
By Parhel on 6/25/2008 5:48:10 PM , Rating: 5
What do they do when people with fat fingers and tiny heads complain that they can't make phone calls?


RE: .
By allajunaki on 6/25/2008 11:08:44 PM , Rating: 3
Hail the Triangular iPhones... :P
Fat where it needs to be,
Slim where it ought to be.. ;)


RE: .
By ViroMan on 6/26/2008 3:32:30 AM , Rating: 2
im sure for those fat fingered people a software switch could switch the phone to display 4 buttons instead of the 12 it currently does. As for the people who have fingernails too long to use... you could always buy A stylus for the iPhone as someone below has noted.

Personally I would rather not have a touch phone as I can't seem to keep my cells from getting scratches all over them due to my over using and carelessness. Try forgetting your cell carrier and accidentally putting your cell in your pocket with your change for a half a day (poor thing looked like it came off a grinder)


RE: .
By winterspan on 6/26/08, Rating: -1
RE: .
By Hydrofirex on 6/26/2008 9:11:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I bet it does since it uses high quality glass. I know my Zune 80 skidded across rough blacktop pavement in a parking lot when I got out of the car with it in my lap. Admittedly there is the tiniest of light dinks when you watch in the dark at the right angle, but it did slide almost 3 or 4 feet.

THUD - SKIZZZZZZZZ

(o_o)

HfX


RE: .
By spluurfg on 6/26/2008 7:48:31 AM , Rating: 3
Haha, 4 buttons... that would be funny...

"The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To obtain a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm now."

I was under the impression that the Iphone didn't work with a stylus, as mentioned in the article?


RE: .
By Cerberus81 on 6/25/2008 6:16:19 PM , Rating: 3
That's what we get for allowing them to hyphenate their names.

sigh...


RE: .
By lexluthermiester on 6/25/2008 7:45:56 PM , Rating: 5
Oh please, if your fingernails are getting in the way, trim them. If you have fat fingers, lose weight.

Having been in the fatty group myself for a number of years I can tell you it was because I did not use self-control. If your fat, stop eating sugary items & drinks and exercise. Anyone who truly wants to lose weigh, does.

As for the fingernails, if you want to use the iPhone cut them off, or use a different phone...


RE: .
By feraltoad on 6/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: .
By Performance Fanboi on 6/26/2008 1:24:47 PM , Rating: 2
This moron would probably go buy a jock-strap and complain that "This was made to fit men only! Why do the jock-strap makers persist in this misogyny?"

If she shoves one of those long fingernails far enough up her nose she might solve all of her problems.


Ugh?
By GPig on 6/25/2008 4:58:29 PM , Rating: 5
Some are upset about the lack of video, which is common among most camera phones

What planet do you live on! pretty much every Nokia and Sony erricson I have had for the best part of 5 years has had the ability to record video. Many of them have had the ability to record at near dvd quality (well resolution and frames of, optics obviously not) for over a year.

The camera on the iPhone is a joke!




RE: Ugh?
By Howard on 6/25/2008 5:02:16 PM , Rating: 5
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with him.


RE: Ugh?
By ebakke on 6/25/2008 5:07:17 PM , Rating: 3
I don't think GPig knows either...


RE: Ugh?
By sxr7171 on 6/26/2008 1:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
I think the objection is with the words "common" and "most" in that statement. Except for the iPhone every cameraphone can shoot video with rare exceptions like stuff from 5 years ago.


RE: Ugh?
By rikulus on 6/25/2008 5:05:42 PM , Rating: 2
I took the sentence in the article to mean "video is common among most camera phones," rather than "lack of video is common among most camera phones."


RE: Ugh?
By neothe0ne on 6/26/2008 9:56:20 AM , Rating: 2
Poor English is the author's fault. He's also missing a comma elsewhere.


RE: Ugh?
By Icelight on 6/25/2008 5:05:54 PM , Rating: 5
The reduced-functionality camera is a feature for the new milennium user. Simplicity at the cost of functionality. Join the new millenium and live a simpler, more stripped down life at a greater cost.


RE: Ugh?
By Icelight on 6/25/2008 5:06:57 PM , Rating: 5
The new millennium apparently also comes equipped with two alternate ways to mis-spell it!


RE: Ugh?
By neogrin on 6/25/2008 6:11:28 PM , Rating: 4
Sieg Hail !

Got another one for the Fatherland, I see.

Correct on, meine freund, correct on!


RE: Ugh?
By louzamos on 6/25/2008 7:46:15 PM , Rating: 4
he shouldnt be rated down...


RE: Ugh?
By nineball9 on 6/25/2008 8:04:05 PM , Rating: 4
Very well. Correcting you:

"heil", not "Hail".
"mein", not "meine".

Why hail victory?


RE: Ugh?
By eion on 6/25/2008 10:20:58 PM , Rating: 1
Also, it should be "Freund" (with a capital F) rather than "freund".


RE: Ugh?
By neogrin on 6/26/08, Rating: -1
RE: Ugh?
By MamiyaOtaru on 6/26/2008 3:34:53 PM , Rating: 2
meine Freund = ungrammatical. Period. The mein*e* indicates feminine, and would require Freund*in*. That's just how it is.

The words for friend(male) and boyfriend are the same. The words for friend(female) and girlfriend are the same. Context is required to know which is meant. mein Freund and meine Freundin = correct. mein Freundin and meine Freund = never ever ever correct.

Stop rambling on about crap you obviously don't understand.


RE: Ugh?
By neogrin on 6/26/2008 6:52:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Stop rambling on about crap you obviously don't understand.


a) I wasn't rambling (but with 2 and a half paragraphs, you seem to be).

b) You are correct. I don't understand German. I stated my source, if it's incorrect, go complain to them.


RE: Ugh?
By rcc on 6/27/2008 10:46:46 AM , Rating: 2
You just learned something important about the Internet. Anyone can publish a web-site, and a good percentage of them are incorrect, or opinion.

Always watch your sources.


RE: Ugh?
By sgtdisturbed47 on 6/25/2008 8:47:03 PM , Rating: 1
I know! Even my friggin Blackberry Curve records video now!

There are many reasons why the iPhone is a bad phone, including but not limited to:

Battery is not swappable for a backup. BAD!

No A2DP Bluetooth. What?

Pretty much can't operate all of the phone's abilities one-handed. BOO!

No expandable/removable memory. That means if you have data you want to carry on an SD card, it's not gonna happen. WHY?!

No MMS. Uh...

No voice dialing. Nice!

Functionality is slow. On my phone, I am in and out of my emails, texts, and media with one hand before an iPhone user is done grabbing his/her phone with one and sliding their finger across the bottom of the screen with the other.

The iPhone is just an iPod with the ability to make calls. That's all. Its "WOW" factor is long-since dead, and people now are looking at it going "meh, its an iPhone".


Classic Simpsons...
By Bender 123 on 6/25/2008 4:37:37 PM , Rating: 5
The number you have dialed can not be connected because your fingers are too fat. Please loose weight or mash your keypad now, for assistance.

Hehehehe...




RE: Classic Simpsons...
By lexluthermiester on 6/25/2008 7:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! Well said.


RE: Classic Simpsons...
By GoodRevrnd on 6/25/2008 10:10:30 PM , Rating: 5
No no no...

It's: "The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To obtain a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm now."

http://fingersaretoofat.ytmnd.com/


Reminds me of...
By Motoman on 6/25/2008 5:26:32 PM , Rating: 2
...when the original iPod came out, I read about some guy (with fat fingers, apparently) who actually had surgery to reduce the width of his thumbs so that he could more effectively use his shiny new iPod.

...which to me, illustrates better than anything the ultra-conformist, hive-mind, herd-mentality of Apple fans. Actually having your body modified to better use a gadget? Wow.




RE: Reminds me of...
By Hare on 6/26/2008 1:58:30 AM , Rating: 3
Are you serious? Just because one idiot decides to do something like that you proclaim the whole user base as morons?

Google "Zune Guy". Someone has Zune tattoos all over him and wants to change his name to Microsoft Zune. So are all MS product users like him? NO!

Did the other kids throw apples at you when you were small? Everyone is getting tired of unnecessary labeling so let go of the hate. You'll feel better...


RE: Reminds me of...
By Motoman on 6/26/2008 2:16:42 AM , Rating: 1
No...there's a well-documented social phenomenon here. Sure...the iSurgery guy is an extreme outlier...but the observation of the obsession with conformity and herd mentality is valid.


RE: Reminds me of...
By sxr7171 on 6/26/2008 1:33:53 PM , Rating: 2
Let's be honest here. Most MS users kind of do it grudgingly, I know I do. Sure I could use Linux, but that was a pain in the ass and a half seriously. We need to function in the MS world with application ecosystem it has and all that and so we 'deal' with MS. I'm not happy to use Windows nor am I proud of it.

Apple users are always so in your face, trying to get you to convert. Always in the coffee shop trying to look cool with that stupid backlit "Apple" on the back of the screen. Talk to a Mac user about computers and it's always "Apple this Apple that" with them. They talk as if this company is the second coming. I'm sure its cool and all if you limit yourself to the applications available for it. That's pretty much how the iPhone is also. It does basic things very well and it limits you to whatever Apple would let you do with it and many people are fine with that.


RE: Reminds me of...
By Hare on 6/27/2008 12:29:56 AM , Rating: 2
I know at least 20 Apple users (adults) who couldn't care less what computer one uses. These people seem to understand that different things work for different tasks and people better. I'm one of them. I have Macs but I primarily work with PCs and I'm quite happy with both Vista and X (I use XP and Vista ~80% of the time).

Think about it for a while. The idiots (Apple fanboys) are loud but for every shouting fan there are a few of us that just sigh in the background without saying anything.

Btw. I also know lots of AMD fans, Intel fans, Ati fans, nVidia fans, n+1 fans who are just the same. Apple is not the only one with a bunch of irritating users.


RE: Reminds me of...
By PWNettle on 6/26/2008 4:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, it didn't require this particular feat to arrive at that conclusion.


I think you meant stylus Mick
By wordsworm on 6/25/2008 8:43:52 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
not using a stylish


I know iPhones are supposed to be stylish, but I'm pretty certain you meant stylus.




RE: I think you meant stylus Mick
By feraltoad on 6/25/2008 9:33:04 PM , Rating: 5
A stylish is what Sean Connery uses on his PDA.


RE: I think you meant stylus Mick
By wordsworm on 6/25/2008 11:00:03 PM , Rating: 2
What they need to do is maybe make a stylus nail polish. Then they could use their fingernails. As to the large person complaint - maybe we should give them a free Mazda Miata to go with the iPhone.


RE: I think you meant stylus Mick
By Fnoob on 6/29/2008 10:32:38 AM , Rating: 2
Give them two Miatas - one for each foot.


Ridiculous.
By DeepBlue1975 on 6/25/2008 4:44:00 PM , Rating: 4
Some types of touch screens can't be touched by whatever you want. A fingernail not only doesn't have electrical charge, it'll also scratch the screen, so it is a really stupid idea to use the fingernail to touch the screen.

Those who bought the iPhone complain about lack of tactile feedback... Are they idiots or what? Did anyone point a gun to their heads to make them buy the iPhone?
I hate touchscreens and need a real keyboard to be able to use my phone efficiently. Hence, I won't get an iPhone as it doesn't fill my needs.

People seem to forget about the concept of "try before you buy" or simply, to use common sense. Who in a normal state of mind can imagine that touching a perfectly flat surface will feel the same as touching a normal keyboard, in which keys travel down as you press them and your fingers feel the surface of each separate key as you type?

Instead of making silly complains, people should buy whatever fills their personal expectations better and not what they find to be "the best looking thing out there and which will give you the highest friggin' braggin' rights". That or simply stop complaining about the things that the phone was NOT built to do.




RE: Ridiculous.
By Motoman on 6/25/2008 5:47:15 PM , Rating: 5
Word.

I would suggest that you have to look at the iPhone/iPod/etc. phenomonen not as a function of the device itself. Seems to me the capabilities and functionality of these devices is almost irrelevant. It's a study in consumerism, the desire to conform, and the power of marketing. I'm not entirely sure it would matter if an iPhone didn't make phone calls...


RE: Ridiculous.
By DeepBlue1975 on 6/26/2008 9:33:49 AM , Rating: 2
100% agreed on that. Nothing against those people if they don't complain about the things the device won't do, but the problem is that... they do!
I wouldn't even be surprised if someone complained about the iPhone having drm (chuckle here)


Clash action lawsuit
By Fnoob on 6/25/2008 5:16:14 PM , Rating: 5
"Ladies, is your pinky finger the same size as a man's big toe? Do you own an iPod? If you are experiencing anxiety caused by the inability to use it - you may be entitled to a large cash settlement! Call the law offices of Sokolov now! We currently represent thousands of indivuals with advanced Parkinsons in their suit against the makers of 'Jenga' and 'Operation'...




RE: Clash action lawsuit
By louzamos on 6/25/2008 7:52:45 PM , Rating: 2
we can also sue people for breathing your God given Air supply...


Rats & Spears FTW!
By Spyvie on 6/25/2008 5:46:21 PM , Rating: 2
"Unfortunately many have praised the iPhone for not using a stylish, which many feels is a burden and easy to lose."

I've had my WinMo HTC Herra/T-Mobile Wing for exactly a year, and I still have the original stylus (and the spare they gave me is still in the box) Half the time I use my finger anyway, or the tip of my approx 1/16” fingernails if I need to be precise... like when I'm playing any of the freeware games I've loaded on it.

"Some are upset about the lack of video, which is common among most camera phones."

The Wing also shoots fair to middlin' video, in an easy to use drag and drop format.




RE: Rats & Spears FTW!
By Spyvie on 6/25/2008 5:53:32 PM , Rating: 2
T-Mo also sent me a new battrey a couple of weeks ago. I didn't order it and wasn't expecting it. Since the first one still seems to work fine, I now have a backup to carry when I travel.


RE: Rats & Spears FTW!
By Leomania on 6/26/2008 12:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
It might be worth checking online to see if there are any recalls on the original battery. My Nokia had a battery that was part of their recall program, although a new one didn't show up automatically as in your case. But that does come to mind as one fairly likely reason for the unsolicited battery.


By vision33r on 6/25/2008 4:16:11 PM , Rating: 5
We all know the touch screen has a lot of issues but people especially women wants to look good, even though their expensive iPhone is worthless to them, they just want to be seen with the newest and fashionable item.

People love apple Kool-aid.




Here's an idea....
By jonahex2099 on 6/25/2008 7:04:11 PM , Rating: 2
....cut your nails and lose weight...




RE: Here's an idea....
By Bostlabs on 6/27/2008 12:56:47 PM , Rating: 2
Trim nails down some? Perhaps. However are you 100% sure in your last statement of lose weight?
In my case I am over weight, but my fingers are what would be considered normal.
However I have come across several men who would be considered normal weight and have HUGE hands. A lot of men who work with their hands for a living have well developed hands for the type of work they do. So that makes their fingers bigger than people like me who work on computer keyboards all the time.


LOOK PEOPLE
By JonnyDough on 6/25/2008 5:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
If they added a Stylus then it wouldn't be the iPhone. It would be the iStylus. It's a freaking phone, not a UMPC.




Just buy another phone stupid
By Flunk on 6/25/2008 6:13:05 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is not the only company making phones, and there are definitely other ones that use stylus'. The multi touch technology the iPhone uses is keyed to only working with fingers, this is how it is. If you don't like it, buy something else.

Of all the things to complain about this is the stupidest I have seen in a quite while.




iPhone blues
By xstacie on 6/25/2008 6:58:50 PM , Rating: 2
I have worked with cell phones for over 10 years. I was reading what the lady above wrote that it is hard to please everyone. This is not correct. If you look at the N95 that phone (and nokia overall) thinks about the little things. It is not hard to add video or give women or men with big fingers either a stylus or hey how about this....why not do what the new LG Vu does and give a full size keyboard option on the screen that allows for T9? That would at least be something and my nails would not get in the way. It is horrible to miss such a huge part of community with this. Women are not a small minority and Apple is missing the boat. Also, it is not hard to add video or MMS! They did not listen enough and should have gone to some of the online posts to check. Come on Apple. Cool product needs to be avail to women too!




By Novaoblivion on 6/25/2008 7:16:52 PM , Rating: 2
There is a stylus that works with the iPhone you can buy it at ThinkGeek.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/




Grammar
By drinkmorejava on 6/25/2008 7:24:02 PM , Rating: 2
"Unfortunately many have praised the iPhone for not using a stylish, which many feels is a burden and easy to lose."

I count two grammar errors, one word error, and one instance of poor word choice.




Possible money making idea...
By 3kliksphilip on 6/25/2008 7:42:51 PM , Rating: 2
'Your fingers are too fat. Please buy the idialing wand'




In other news...
By tjr508 on 6/25/2008 8:52:03 PM , Rating: 2
Blind people complain about newspapers.




Misogynist?
By Dasickninja on 6/25/2008 10:44:03 PM , Rating: 2
Serious, the sexism card is being thrown around more than the race card. Yeesh...




This Just In...
By bplewis24 on 6/25/2008 11:26:05 PM , Rating: 2
In other news...

It is being rumored that if women trim their fingernails and exercise, these problems just might go away. Stay tuned for more on this breaking story.




By crystal clear on 6/26/2008 4:30:05 AM , Rating: 2
Let the women sought out their problems with their iPhones,you dont need to discuss it as there are more important things to discuss.

Read on-

Apple squeezes iPhone 3G costs down to $173 \

June 25, 2008 (Computerworld) The cost of manufacturing Apple Inc.'s next-generation iPhone 3G will be 23% lower than the cost of manufacturing 2007's original model, according to a research firm noted for tearing apart electronics.

According to estimates by iSuppli Corp., Apple's new iPhone 3G will come with a bill of materials (BOM) and manufacturing cost of $173, nearly one-fourth less than the $226 the company spent on the first-generation 8GB iPhone, which debuted almost a year ago.

"The new iPhone is significantly less expensive to produce than the first-generation product, despite major improvements in functionality and unique usability, due to the addition of 3G communications," said Jagdish Rebello, an analyst at iSuppli, in a statement issued yesterday.


The most expensive component on iSuppli's speculative price list was the 8GB of flash memory, which it tagged at $22.80. The touch screen and display each cost $20, while the 3G chip is $15, said the company.

ISuppli's breakdown is, of course, speculative. Like other recent "tear-down" estimates of the smart phone's manufacturing cost, iSuppli's is based on information that may turn out to be incorrect. It will be more than two weeks before Apple and its carrier partners start selling the iPhone 3G.

Two weeks ago, in fact, iSuppli declined to match a rival's tear-down estimate with one of its own, saying it would instead withhold comment until it had an iPhone 3G in hand. But it changed its mind and issued a preliminary estimate, citing what it called "strong popular demand for information on iPhone costs and pricing."

Two weeks ago, iSuppli competitor Portelligent Inc. touted its own analysis -- also done without seeing an actual iPhone 3G -- that tallied the new model's costs at around $100, considerably less than iSuppli's figure. Austin, Texas-based Portelligent's number got analysts talking, with some speculating that the phone could become Apple's most profitable product.


At the time, Carl Howe, an analyst at Yankee Group Research Inc., used Portelligent's $100 estimate to question whether Apple required carrier subsidies to make money on the iPhone 3G. "If AT&T is adding in a $200 subsidy, then the iPhone 3G is anything but a phone requiring a carrier subsidy," Howe said. "In fact, if these numbers are true and the carriers are subsidizing the phone, the iPhone 3G could end up being the most profitable product Apple makes."

Although iSuppli's calculation puts the iPhone 3G materials and manufacturing costs significantly higher than Portelligent's, iSuppli's Rebello also thought the carrier subsidy would be larger: around $300 per iPhone. "This means that with subsidies from carriers, Apple will be selling the 8MB version of the second-generation iPhone to carriers at an effective price of about $499 per unit, the same as the original product."

It's imperative that Apple make money on the hardware, Rebello added, since the company will not be sharing in 3G subscriber revenues. "Hardware is vital to Apple profits, valuation and revenue," he said. "Two-thirds of Apple's revenue from the iPod still is derived from hardware, while only one-third is from the iTunes service and accessories. The second-generation iPhone is no exception."

Like Howe of the Yankee Group, iSuppli thinks the iPhone 3G may be an unusually-profitable product for Apple. Earlier iPod and iPhone tear-downs have put Apple's profit margin at around 50% more than the BOM and manufacturing costs. With a $300 subsidy, however, the margin would be nearly 65%. Even with a $200-per-iPhone subsidy, Apple's estimated margin would be around 57%.

Apple will launch the iPhone 3G on July 11 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the U.K. and the U.S. The company has also said it would make the new phone available in some 70 countries by the end of this year.

iSuppli will do a real tear-down once it gets its hands on an actual iPhone 3G, said Rebello.



http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com...




By Dribble on 6/26/2008 9:40:11 AM , Rating: 2
"Fingers too fat to use an iPhone, then buy a our finger lipo package with your phone and we'll get you dialing".




Competition?
By lifeblood on 6/26/2008 10:08:59 AM , Rating: 2
So the iPhone has some weaknesses? If Apple made a phone that every one loved and bought, they would have a monopoly with all the problems which that entails (just ask MS). Hopefully another company will come out with a competing product that addresses these issue. Competition and choice are wonderful things.




By monkeyman1140 on 6/26/2008 10:32:44 AM , Rating: 2
I only see long talons at the local strip club. Business chic demands trimmed conservative fingernails without stick-ons, jewels, wierd fingernail polish schemes.

Maybe private industry can come up with a special capacitance fingertip a woman can slip on her index finger so she can have her funky nails and her iphone too.




no ****
By omnicronx on 6/26/2008 11:50:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
IPhone just not cutting it for those with manicures, fat fingers
I have one thing to say 'NO SHIAT SHERLOCK!'

My girlfriend has a hard time pressing the buttons on a regular button phone, let a lone a touchpad, and her fingernails are not even that long. I don't see how this comes as a surprise. Same can be said for fat fingers, I would say I have fat fingers for my size, and I am always pressing multiple numbers on my cell, or even home phone.
I know it sucks, but either cut your nails, or in the case of my fat fingered counterparts, don't buy a touchphone.

Personally if I had long fingernails I would be more worried about scratching the screen, than not pressing multiple buttons, funny how this is not mentioned.




Windows & in trouble.
By rollakid on 6/26/2008 5:34:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
"Windows 7, from Apple rival Microsoft, might be in trouble too, as it looks to implement extensive finger driven capabilities as well."

A hundred bucks saying Microsoft will have both "Fat Fingers" and "Long Nails" version on top of basic/premium/business/ultimate.




I've got an idea
By FITCamaro on 6/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: I've got an idea
By Synastar on 6/25/2008 4:19:07 PM , Rating: 1
She was talking between an eighth and a quarter of an inch. Can I borrow your "Jump to Conclusions" mat when you're done?

...but yeah, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Pretty easy.


RE: I've got an idea
By Parhel on 6/25/2008 4:28:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
...but yeah, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Pretty easy.


If nobody every complained about anything, nothing would improve . . . and what the hell would we talk about???

Women like to wear long fingernails, and everyone's fingers are different. That's not going to change. Maybe they could create an optional stylus for these users.


RE: I've got an idea
By trox5361 on 6/25/2008 4:35:53 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
If nobody every complained about anything, nothing would improve . . .

Then why would anybody complain about the government? It's not like it is going to improve anytime soon.


RE: I've got an idea
By mezman on 6/25/2008 5:39:13 PM , Rating: 1
Wow, OT much?


RE: I've got an idea
By Synastar on 6/25/2008 4:53:31 PM , Rating: 2
Money speaks louder than words. The six million first gen iPhones they've sold say Apple doesn't need to bother with a stylus. :)


RE: I've got an idea
By Parhel on 6/25/2008 4:58:23 PM , Rating: 3
If you can make customers happy with a $0.10 piece of plastic, even if it's a small minority of customers, I say do it.


RE: I've got an idea
By ebakke on 6/25/2008 5:05:04 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately for you (and those with complaints), you don't get to say what to do.


RE: I've got an idea
By 67STANG on 6/25/2008 5:08:16 PM , Rating: 5
When did we start paying women enough money to afford an iPhone? This country is going in a downward spiral.

I say every woman who complains about this problem be legally required to own a "Jitterbug" phone. Here you go ladies: http://www.jitterbug.com/Phones.aspx


RE: I've got an idea
By masher2 (blog) on 6/25/2008 5:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
> "If you can make customers happy with a $0.10 piece of plastic...I say do it. "

Unfortunately, you can't. Provide just a stylus, and people will complain there's no holder to prevent it from getting lost. Redesign the case for a mount, and others will complain about the larger size.

Not to mention that a touchscreen optimized for a stylus will function a bit less accurately when used with fingers.


RE: I've got an idea
By Parhel on 6/25/2008 5:35:41 PM , Rating: 2
OK, scratch the stylus idea then . . . let's see, the touchscreen responds to electrical charges in our fingers which aren't present in fingernails . . . how about press-on electric fingernails? We could call them iNails.


RE: I've got an idea
By mondo1234 on 6/25/2008 6:03:15 PM , Rating: 3
If you have fat fingers, get the COWon player :p


RE: I've got an idea
By LatinMessiah on 6/26/2008 7:47:31 PM , Rating: 2
If you have fat fingers, stay indoors.


RE: I've got an idea
By DeepBlue1975 on 6/26/2008 2:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
Depending on the type of touch screen being used, some work equally well with fingertips or styli.
Others only work well with styli like you said and are less accurate with anything else .

There are even some types which do not need to be touched by conductive objects, but I don't know if anybody uses them and if they do, how much do they cost and if they are suitable for usage on small, handheld devices.

Problem with those types of screens that don't require conductivity is that they use ways of detecting a touch which are not suitable for something like multi touch (one of those types can sense vibrations rather than having wires crossing the screen, and the other I've read about needs an optical sensor behind the screen because it uses light interruption events in a way similar to a car's corpuscular sensor)


RE: I've got an idea
By Doormat on 6/25/2008 6:05:53 PM , Rating: 1
You cant because of the dynamics of the multi-touch screen. Period .

Apple would have to redesign the screen from the ground up to accept pressure sensitive input as opposed to bioelectrical.


RE: I've got an idea
By sxr7171 on 6/26/2008 1:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
Wow you got rated down for stating a true fact. Well except for the fact that Apple does not do any such thing as design screens. They outsource them. They might ask for modifications for an off the shelf item but that's as far as they'll go.


RE: I've got an idea
By thornburg on 6/25/2008 4:31:00 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
She was talking between an eighth and a quarter of an inch. Can I borrow your "Jump to Conclusions" mat when you're done?


Do you honestly buy that finger nails 1/4" or shorter are causing serious problems for someone wanting to use an iPhone?

I highly doubt it. She wants to be able to use it in a different way (stylus), and is using this as an attack vector, so she gets to play the gender card. It's crap.

Ok, I guess I'll step off the "Jump to Conclusions" mat now. :-D


RE: I've got an idea
By sxr7171 on 6/26/2008 1:44:52 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of guys have that length also. She has a lot of nerve to consider that an issue that specifically pertains to women. Always trying to find some way to make every problem on earth a "woman only" thing.


RE: I've got an idea
By kileil on 6/25/2008 4:20:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Instead of them being a stereotypical piece of trash with long fingernails they just get rid of those ridiculous things.


I agree. They just get in the way. Throw these women in the garbage.

Although I would like to see a larger version version of the iPhone, perhaps as large as a tv dinner. We could call it the iClub.


RE: I've got an idea
By JediJeb on 6/25/2008 5:01:47 PM , Rating: 2
Seems this problem with long fingernails is related to the angle of the finger on the touch screen. Simple fix, just learn to type with your fingers flat to the screen, like I have seen many women with long fingernails do when using a standard computer keyboard.

Some people just want the world to conform to them instead of conforming to the world.


RE: I've got an idea
By Reclaimer77 on 6/25/2008 5:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
Touch screens are not intuitive. Its a gimmick " gee wiz its the future " bolt on for the iPhone. Maybe there is a reason why every other phone on the planet uses buttons.

C'mon man, long nails are hot and you know it. :P


RE: I've got an idea
By FITCamaro on 6/25/2008 5:49:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
C'mon man, long nails are hot and you know it


No. They're not. They're weapons.


RE: I've got an idea
By Reclaimer77 on 6/25/2008 6:21:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yes but we're men. A scarred up back is just more to brag about ! :)


RE: I've got an idea
By sxr7171 on 6/26/2008 1:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
Damn straight!


RE: I've got an idea
By Andrevas on 6/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: I've got an idea
By Parhel on 6/25/2008 11:35:25 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe that's why women use so damn much toilet paper. You might be on to something!


RE: I've got an idea
By FluxCap on 6/26/2008 10:30:44 AM , Rating: 2
I got your solution right here women:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/dads/a31f/


RE: I've got an idea
By FluxCap on 6/26/2008 10:32:30 AM , Rating: 2
Oops, was beaten to it.


RE: I've got an idea
By sxr7171 on 6/26/2008 1:53:36 PM , Rating: 2
No the toilet paper problem.


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