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USB Type-C has the ability to charge laptop as well

The USB 3.0 Promoter Group is looking to make the lives of mobile users a little bit easier with the finalization of the USB Type-C specifications. USB Type-C cables and connectors are aimed primarily for use in smartphones, but the organization behind the standards says that they are also “robust enough for laptops and tablets.”
The big takeaway from this announcement is that the connectors on the cable and matching receptacle allow the user to insert the cable without worrying about its orientation. This is similar in concept to Apple’s Lightning connector, but Lightning [for now] is limited to USB 2.0 speeds.
USB Type-C supports SuperSpeed USB 10 Gbps (USB 3.1) and can also deliver up to 100W of power as well. That latter spec will allow notebooks to be charged over USB, but it remains to be seen how many manufacturers will take advantage of this feature.

“USB has the luxury of consumer familiarity and trust, and as we adapt the technology for the future we are committed to ensuring the USB brand promise continues with this new USB Type-C connector and cable,” said Jeff Ravencraft, USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF) President and COO.
Now that the USB Type-C spec has been finalized, the USB-IF is now tasked with managing the spec as well as handling certification and compliance. 

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By bah12 on 8/13/2014 9:40:21 AM , Rating: 5
I wonder if they've addressed the micro usb retention issues, once that connector is stressed at all the prongs gets sloppy and it fails to make a good connection. Either way being dual sided should help.

On a side note I have to give apple credit here, as much of a gimmick as it seemed at the time. Their cable design is much better, still not worth the proprietary apple tax though. Glad to see this in the USB spec.

RE: Retention
By coburn_c on 8/13/2014 10:07:55 AM , Rating: 1
In my experience the connection issues only occur with very cheap off-brand cables. I've replaced plenty of failing Apple cables in my time, and the customer payed the tax for it.

RE: Retention
By agent2099 on 8/13/2014 10:52:24 AM , Rating: 2
I thought I was just me, I've had several micro USB cable spell on me over the year, even goldplated ones.

RE: Retention
By jeepga on 8/13/2014 11:58:56 AM , Rating: 4
I don't purchase the off-brand cables. I consistently have the problem. There is a design flaw.

RE: Retention
By retrospooty on 8/13/2014 1:12:07 PM , Rating: 2
I use any cheap cable I can find and never have issues with it... Clearly, micro USB isn't super strong, but maybe there is a usage issue you are having? It's not terribly strong, so you need to not put too much pressure on it.

RE: Retention
By Solandri on 8/13/2014 1:44:33 PM , Rating: 2
I don't purchase the off-brand cables. I consistently have the problem. There is a design flaw.

I don't purchase any mini/micro-USB cables. I just use and reuse the ones which shipped with the devices I've bought.

I've never had the problem. That would suggest the problem is something about how you're using them, and not with the design.

And no I don't baby them. The micro-USB charger in my car plugs into the bottom of my phone, and actually supports the weight of the phone when I prop it up to use it as a GPS. The most common failure mode I've experienced is the wire fraying from excessive bending, especially where the cord meets the plug and can be pulled at 90 degrees.

RE: Retention
By flyingpants1 on 8/13/2014 7:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
I've never had the problem. That would suggest the problem is something about how you're using them, and not with the design.

It suggests the exact opposite of this.

RE: Retention
By inighthawki on 8/14/2014 1:40:13 AM , Rating: 2
How do you figure?

RE: Retention
By HomerTNachoCheese on 8/14/14, Rating: 0
RE: Retention
By inighthawki on 8/14/2014 11:18:43 AM , Rating: 3
I'm confused, are you agreeing with me or trying to provide a counter example, because you're proving my point...

RE: Retention
By flyingpants1 on 8/17/2014 3:13:18 AM , Rating: 3
In the case of every single product with any defect whatsoever, the defect is always somehow denied by the people that didn't experience it.

"It works fine on my end, it must be your fault" AKA "You're holding it wrong" AKA just blathering nonsense because you don't want to address the issue.

Nobody is swinging their phones over their heads by the USB cable like a lasso. These cables have extremely thin metal wires inside - they are built to break. What's worse, they are subject to a ridiculous amount of movement and stress, compared to say, a DVI cable. We plug and unplug them every single day. We move them around, put them in pockets and bags, or use our devices while charging. They can only handle so much stress before they eventually give.

Laptop charger cables break too, for these same reasons. It's why they're designed with rubber things around where the cable meets the connector or power brick, in order to mitigate the issue.

But if it were up to people like you, laptop chargers wouldn't have those rubber things. We'd all just have to be careful all the time, and deal with occasional failure. And when they do eventually break, it's because we're "plugging it wrong".

The solution is better cables, with thicker wiring and a special rubberized exterior that prevents bending at an extreme angle, along with reinforcement at the pressure point where the connector meets the cable. And a rock-solid connector.

RE: Retention
By inighthawki on 8/17/2014 8:56:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not trying to deny there are defects, and I'm certainly not trying to say "I have experienced any, therefore I'm right. The problem is that the people in this very comments section are talking about how they've gone through multiple cables. When individual testimonies tend to be "all my cables always break" or "none of my cables ever break," it tends to suggest that it is a user flaw, not a design flaw. Simple statistics suggest it is extremely unlikely for singled out individuals to receive all the defective products.

RE: Retention
By verteron on 8/16/2014 10:49:05 PM , Rating: 1
Ambiguous. What does "It" refer to?

Pronouns can only immediately follow a proper noun. eg. "I have a red car, it is fast."

You cannot say, "I drove a red car to the store, it is fast." Although, logically people assume in this instance that "fast" refers to the red car, the rules of grammar dictate that it refers to the store, which makes no sense. What if it did?

I drove a red car to the race, it is fast." Did I race the car? Did the race have fast cars? Or was my car fast, but I only drove it to the race and the race has fast cars?

Proofreading should clue you in on the potential issues of comprehension by the reader. In this case I'd need to restructure my sentence. "I drove my fast, red car to the race."

RE: Retention
By inighthawki on 8/14/2014 1:42:29 AM , Rating: 2
This. I also have never needed to purchase a single new micro USB cable. I have like two or three that get constant use, which I've used for years now. None of them have ever stopped working.

I too will suggest that if you guys are having issues with your cables, you might want to double check what the heck you're doing to them to damage them so much. There's a strong chance it is not a flaw in the cable design.

RE: Retention
By PitViper007 on 8/15/2014 3:49:11 PM , Rating: 2
The only micro USB cable I've ever had issues with was the one that came with my Nook Color. There was most definitely a design flaw in it, as there were countless complaints about it. The plastic it was made from, that surrounded the actual connector wiring was too brittle and would crack and break off.

Any other micro USB cable was perfectly fine, and I still use some of the first ones that I ever got.

RE: Retention
By FredExII on 8/15/2014 11:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
I feel there is a design problem. I had a phone replaced due to the problem on the phone connector. Being a tech dude by trade for decades I was interested and I was able to talk to techs at a repair center and they said they get a lot of micro USB failures. Personally the only USB connectors I have had issues with are Micro USB.

RE: Retention
By bah12 on 8/13/2014 12:05:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'd agree you do get a bit of what you pay for, but even quality ones from monoprice tend to fail. Just laying it there charging is fine, but I tend to use my phone while charging and my hand tends to put pressure on the cable.

None of them are perfect, but this new one looks promising.

RE: Retention
By coburn_c on 8/13/2014 1:53:39 PM , Rating: 2
The monoprice cables are what I speak of; all of those have problems. My OEM device cables have never had a problem.

RE: Retention
By runutz on 8/13/2014 3:20:32 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe he's not holding it "correctly"? 8)

I don't have many problems with these USB cables, nor spend much time finding what failed on the rare times they do. At this price point having a spare seems logical.

RE: Retention
By flyingpants1 on 8/13/2014 4:44:58 PM , Rating: 2
That's great for you, but nobody claimed that every single cable would be defective for everyone.

Of course there will always be the person claiming there is no defect because "mine works fine".

RE: Retention
By verteron on 8/16/2014 10:40:17 PM , Rating: 1
By not stating specific manufactures and devices, the initial complaint was indicating a design flaw with ALL USB connectors.

In response, anyone claiming no defect only needs to prove that ANY cable worked without issue.

Semantics and grammar, two things lost with the need to simplify texting and the like with mobile devices. If you are not paying enough attention, you make mistakes in grammar, not to mention you are more likely to misunderstand what you've read in the first place.

RE: Retention
By flyingpants1 on 8/17/2014 3:16:21 AM , Rating: 1
By not stating specific manufactures and devices, the initial complaint was indicating a design flaw with ALL USB connectors.

In response, anyone claiming no defect only needs to prove that ANY cable worked without issue.

This is exactly wrong. The fact that many people don't experience a defect, does not mean that it is not there.

Semantics and grammar, two things lost with the need to simplify texting and the like with mobile devices. If you are not paying enough attention, you make mistakes in grammar, not to mention you are more likely to misunderstand what you've read in the first place.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Maybe save the awkward condescension for your private life.

RE: Retention
By corduroygt on 8/13/2014 1:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
I use the Qable Powerz lightning cables (3 for $12 on Amazon for 6ft), they're quite strong. While still not as cheap as Micro USB, they're far cheaper than the official Apple cables. It's a nice middle ground with dual sided connectivity without being too expensive. Works great with charging and data transfer.

RE: Retention
By drewsup on 8/14/2014 8:55:43 AM , Rating: 2
I feel the magnetic power cable by far Apples biggest achievement,when I think of all the dc jacks I have replaced over the years, it saddens me they were able to patent such an obvious design.

RE: Retention
By corduroygt on 8/14/2014 12:47:28 PM , Rating: 2
MS Surface also uses magnetic power connector so I doubt it's just Apple's.

RE: Retention
By ritualm on 8/14/2014 12:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
LOL magnetic power connectors. Home appliances already have them for years, if not decades.

RE: Retention
By inighthawki on 8/14/2014 2:47:38 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure someone was smart enough to do it a while ago, but I can't say I've ever seen a single home appliance that has had a magnetic power connector...

RE: Retention
By ritualm on 8/14/2014 5:01:02 PM , Rating: 2
Some large-capacity hot water dispensers have them (anything more than 1.8L). I have a 3.0L at home with it.

RE: Retention
By verteron on 8/16/2014 10:51:39 PM , Rating: 2
Fry Daddy and other counter appliances, mostly deep friers though. It is a safety feature allowing you to yank the cable if they catch fire.

This is the real USB 3
By karimtemple on 8/13/2014 9:43:54 AM , Rating: 4
Everything needs to switch to this immediately.

RE: This is the real USB 3
By verteron on 8/16/2014 10:54:49 PM , Rating: 2
While your enthusiasm is admirable, it should be tempered with patience. Rushing into new things often yield consequences that time has yet to discover. There are many on this thread complaining about what we have now with USB 3 connectors. Just because this is new does not mean it will have no problems of its' own.

Long as...
By techxx on 8/13/2014 10:48:01 AM , Rating: 1
I can still stick the male in the female. Mmmmm

RE: Long as...
By Helbore on 8/13/2014 5:33:51 PM , Rating: 3

Praise Jesus!
By ezinner on 8/14/2014 3:12:25 PM , Rating: 2
You would think features as basic as this would have been instituted years ago. We still are too slowly adopting USB 3.0 in our devices that are getting both faster and providing more storage. Also, I think the probability of putting in the cable the wrong way is 75%. My USB 3 cable on my HD loves to come out just enough to lose the connection too. Bad design since it's inception!

RE: Praise Jesus!
By verteron on 8/16/2014 10:34:25 PM , Rating: 2
I had a micro USB 3.0 hard drive from Western Digital that frequently disconnected(with or without the SES driver), but my issue is the negotiation of USB 3.0 power. It connected fine using USB 2.0 drivers only on the same USB 3.0 port. On USB 3.0 it would connect, then promptly disconnect when the load got too high. The only workaround was to install other USB 3 drivers that had the option to disable power saving features. Now the drive never spins down, but it least it works.

I've yet to have any issues with bad cables, but I do frequently fumble with the connectors and try to plug them in backwards.

Lame Picture
By timothyd97402 on 8/16/2014 1:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
Wouldn't it be great if they showed the connector/socket face on? The picture used with this article really doesn't show how it is reversible at all. So, I went Googling about and found that the new connector is quite a bit like the micro-USB connector now in use on so many Android phones and tablets, which is too bad.

In my repair business I see failed micro-USB connectors quite a bit. It isn't the cable, which is easily and cheaply replaced, it's socket in the device. That super thin tongue in the socket frequently breaks. The new Type-C USB connector is using the same sort of thing.

Say what you will about Apple, I don't see their stuff in for repair all that much.

RE: Lame Picture
By verteron on 8/16/2014 11:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
Good points, but I'd think Apple products go to Apple repair shops. Not always, we see broken screens on iphones and tablets, but I'd think it still represents a sizable chunk.

However, I am still irritated that no manufacturer has followed Apple with a magnetic connector, or any connector that prevents damage to the internal laptop jack. That is often an expensive repair.

By drycrust3 on 8/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: Tolerances.
By BZDTemp on 8/13/2014 2:03:08 PM , Rating: 3
No "BANG" it is just a question of being clever with the interface. My bet is that the power is only on then some control connections are hooked up and that those connection then tells the power source end which leg is to get what.

Personally I think the USB people have just been lazy for not making a connector that has no up/down as for sure the issue has been there since day 1. It is progress they have finally done something about it, only it would have been even better had they used a circular design so plugging in was even easier (most likely they did not go that way to avoid SUB and Jack connector being confused).

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