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SP3 is finally available for download.

Last week, DailyTech reported that Service Pack 3 (SP3) for Windows XP was released to manufacturing (RTM). At the time, Microsoft's Chris Keroack noted that consumers should expect to get their hands on the update April 29.

“We are also in the final stages of preparing for release to the web (i.e. you!) on April 29th, via Windows Update and the Microsoft Download Center,” said Keroack last Monday. “Online documentation for Windows XP SP3, such as Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and the Microsoft TechNet Windows XP TechCenter, will be updated then. For customers who use Windows XP at home, Windows XP SP3 Automatic Update distribution for users at home will begin in early summer.”

It appears that the time has come and everyone can now download SP3. A link to the 316MB service pack was posted on BetaNews yesterday afternoon. Although Microsoft isn't yet hosting a download page for SP3, the download links directly back to Windows Update.

For those that haven't been keeping up with the latest SP3 updates, the service pack includes roughly 1,100 hotfixes/patches and new features like Network Access Protection and Black Hole Router Detection.

SP3 will also give users even more incentive to stick with the venerable operating system which has soldiered on since late 2001. Many consumers and businesses have clung to the operating system despite the fact that Microsoft has heavily pushed its newer Windows Vista operating system.

Microsoft is hoping for a swift switchover to Windows Vista and has already announced a June 30 end-of-life date for Windows XP (with the exception of Windows XP Home for ultra-low-cost PCs. Some PC manufacturers, however, are using other methods to extend the availability of Windows XP for its customers.



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Not a big fan
By Samus on 4/29/2008 6:27:44 AM , Rating: 1
I think SP3 cripples XP just enough to make Balmer's comments seem justified. You can't even drag and drop network files to your local PC because of new restrictions, which don't even exist in Vista.

Steve, if the security improvements in SP3 are so important, why aren't they implemented in Vista? What are you trying to say? This only goes one way.

Basically anyone who's smart enough to read Anandtech is smart enough to not need any 'features' in SP3.

Virtually everyone here shouldn't bother.




RE: Not a big fan
By Polynikes on 4/29/2008 7:18:39 AM , Rating: 2
I hadn't really paid close attention to the "feature"-set; perhaps I'll skip this one.


RE: Not a big fan
By Nihility on 4/29/2008 7:28:55 AM , Rating: 1
I'm just glad they didn't add UAC to XP


RE: Not a big fan
By 306maxi on 4/29/2008 9:09:41 AM , Rating: 3
There is an off button for UAC. But clueless tards like yourself would rather spread FUD than actually help anyone annoyed by UAC by telling them how to switch it off.


RE: Not a big fan
By Polynikes on 4/29/2008 9:58:25 AM , Rating: 3
Just because it can be turned off doesn't mean it's not a terrible design decision.

http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Designed+Vistas...


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/29/2008 10:25:03 AM , Rating: 2
UAC in and of it's self I like, what I don't is some of the things MS just generically auto prompts. Like always prompting for an installer is a bad idea, terrible one in fact. Microsoft kind of compramised their elevation system by doing this, all in the name of changing user habbits.

They should have installers automatically run at your permission levels and only ask for an elivation if it's going to start modifying a critical area of the system which could compramise windows as a whole. The registry for instance, or drop stuff into the windows DIR etc.

Not only would this go along way to helping eliminate spyware (for real) but it would also go along way towards discouraging developers from using stuff like the registry needlessly.


RE: Not a big fan
By Chadder007 on 4/29/2008 10:41:26 AM , Rating: 5
I wish they would get rid of the registry all together.
Each program should be individually contained and not this clusterf@* that spreads into your system that it is now.


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/29/2008 10:49:44 AM , Rating: 3
The registry... Decent idea gone horribly wrong due to microsoft not locking out 3rd party developers... I think the registry should be replaced with a system which locks out 3rd party developers, at least eventually. Unfortunetly Microsoft can't just drop the registry at this point, people are complaining enough about vista compatibility issues with out Microsoft completely murduring support for an over whelming majority of relivent applications out on the market today.


RE: Not a big fan
By JustTom on 4/29/2008 11:34:38 AM , Rating: 5
Right, because whenever MS locks out 3rd parties no regulatory body complains.


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/29/2008 11:47:50 AM , Rating: 3
Why would developers compain about being locked out of the registry if API's were provided to access requried window's settings? What legitimate need to developers need access to the registry for other than to create a huge honking mess or hide malware on a PC?


RE: Not a big fan
By JustTom on 4/30/2008 1:01:22 AM , Rating: 2
Because locking them out of the registry would remove the need for registry cleaners/optimizers. While this in itself is nonsensical MS does not have many friends in the regulatory community.


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/30/2008 1:11:16 AM , Rating: 2
I guess I see your point, though my POV with all this (and generally towards European regulators) is cry me a freaking river...


RE: Not a big fan
By TomZ on 4/29/2008 3:52:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wish they would get rid of the registry all together.

Yes, I know I would prefer to have hundreds of configuration files scattered across the drive - NOT.

The registry has its pros and cons - there is nothing so obviously wrong with it. It is just a tool like any other, and it can be used in both constructive and destructive ways. It is only "evil" if you are being simple about it.

I personally prefer the registry compared to a large proliferation of configuration files like we had before the registry. At least the registry can be centrally managed, backed up, etc.


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/29/2008 5:34:20 PM , Rating: 2
The problem now is 3rd party developers screwing up the system... Something has to be done about them, perhaps a seperate hive from the main windows one? Who knows, but it's really become a mess unfortunately.


RE: Not a big fan
By TomZ on 4/29/2008 6:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
I guess I'm not sure I understand the problem. The intention of the registry is that 3rd party developers are supposed to program their apps to store configuration information into the registry. Each 3rd party app has its own area following the format:

\<HKCU|HKLM>\Software\<company-name>\ <app-name>

If some apps are doing other things with the registry, then they should be be banished from being installed on your machine. :o)

Seriously, though, I've never really come across a problem with some app messing up my machine because of doing something inappropriate in the registry. Obviously adware/malware/viruses/etc. would be a different story, but if you've got those running on your machine, then you've got bigger problems than the registry.

What kind of registry problems are you seeing?


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/30/2008 1:10:24 AM , Rating: 2
None recently, but I have delt with registry corruption in the past due to bad code mismanaging registry key's... I.E. modifying system registry values then when you uninstall the application failing to restore them to their original state. We're not even talking malware here, the intetion wasn't malitious, the developers just sucked that's all there is to it.

That's why I would love to see at the very least a system registry as a seperate entity from an applications registry. Keep lazy developers from screwing up things they ought not be touching in the first place.


RE: Not a big fan
By Samus on 4/30/2008 6:06:41 AM , Rating: 2
People who don't like the registry simply don't understand it. It's about as good as MS can make it, and it isn't likely to change. It's been around since Windows 3.1 for the most part in original form. You should know it quite well by now.


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/30/2008 10:23:55 AM , Rating: 2
People who do like it probably never found them selves in a situation where it's been misused by a software developer. I understand how old the current registry design is and it's purpose, it's time for a change. It's time to stop allowing direct access to critical system settings found in the registry. There are any number of ways this can be accomplished. Just because a particular design worked for WFW 3.11 doesn't mean it's still just as good a design for the vista era.


RE: Not a big fan
By TomZ on 4/30/2008 7:35:12 PM , Rating: 2
The registry has ACL's (security settings), so in theory, what you are suggesting is already done. In XP, sysadmins can lock down portions of the registry. In Vista, same thing, except that apps by default won't have write access to all areas of the registry without elevation (e.g., UAC).


RE: Not a big fan
By jtemplin on 4/30/2008 4:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
The theory of having blanket security enabled by default is a good one. I mean think about how inept the 98% of windows users are. They need all they help they can get. BUT, the UAC presents a boy who cried wolf situation by making almost every action prompt a dialog. Pretty soon users will be clicking allow or ignore every time, until a real threat comes along and we all know how that story ends. Anyway I think UAC is based on the right idea, that the common users needs a digital guardian watchdog, but not one that 'barks' at the slightest disturbance.


RE: Not a big fan
By SavagePotato on 4/29/2008 11:02:14 AM , Rating: 5
So many complaints about UAC but never a good Idea what Microsoft should have supposedly done instead.

So many little would be linux guru's beaking about how it should be just like linux with an administrator password login on critical functions. Put yourself in Microsoft's position. If they put a feature in Vista that was identical to Linux or OSX they would get harped on 100x harder than anything they received for UAC. Possibly even sued repeatedly in the case of Apple.

There is nothing that Microsoft could possibly ever do that wouldn't garner some sort of angry backlash from one direction or another. Like it or not UAC still does what it is supposed to do, and is easy to turn off for those that don't need it.


RE: Not a big fan
By sprockkets on 4/29/2008 2:17:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
If they put a feature in Vista that was identical to Linux or OSX they would get harped on 100x harder than anything they received for UAC. Possibly even sued repeatedly in the case of Apple.


FYI, the whole admin/user scheme has been there, even before win2k. They just came up with a most backwards way to enforce it. Hell, VMS gloats over the fact they had this scheme before Unix did.

Apple is not that stupid to sue over UAC. But they did make a commercial making fun of it.

Yeah, so I can turn it off. Unfortunately, most also turn it off due to annoyance, and that it outweighs its benefits.


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/29/2008 2:50:44 PM , Rating: 1
First of all, as far as I know apple is not actually sueing over UAC. They can't, UAC is just a method to elevate your user permissions from a lower level which as you your self state is an OS standard.

Secondly, yes Win2k could technically do this... However it could not do it as nicely as vista w/uac turned on can. Elevating perms is very easy in Vista with UAC, it's darn near impossible to tell Win2k from a standard user session that I want to run this exe as administrator. You're better off logging off and logging back on as admin to do what you want much like with XP.


RE: Not a big fan
By Nihility on 4/30/2008 7:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
Gee, thanks for being an a@@hole about my JOKE


RE: Not a big fan
By CamIndoor on 4/29/2008 10:23:17 AM , Rating: 5
Union Aerospace Corporation (UAC) - As in DOOM!?? The Doom is upon us!


RE: Not a big fan
By TomZ on 4/29/2008 8:03:52 AM , Rating: 5
Thanks for the FUD. Here's some useful information for people who want facts, not FUD:

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?...

Summary, it's true that under some circumstances drag-and-drop is disabled (for security), but there's a simple setting to re-enable it for all circumstances. Hardly a reason to avoid an upgrade.


RE: Not a big fan
By fleshconsumed on 4/29/2008 9:26:04 AM , Rating: 1
"which don't even exist in Vista"

They do. You cannot drag and drop files from network source into Program Files. You can copy files from network to your desktop and then from desktop to Program Files, but not you can't copy them directly from network to Program Files. Can you say stupid? Vista is full of little idiosyncrasies like this.


RE: Not a big fan
By Locutus465 on 4/29/2008 10:34:49 AM , Rating: 3
In an odd (unfortunate way) it kind of makes sense... Microsoft decided that Program Files needs to be a protected directory, I guess to help combat the problems of malware, i.e. a virus/worm/root kit can't replace a known/common app in program files as easily since a user would get a UCA prompt when it attempts to copy it's self or the copy would simply be denied and that would be that.

Unfortunetly since vista really can't distinguish between a user initated copy and a programically initated one, this affecets the end user as well. It's suck, but a clear sign that MS took XP's security issues to heart.


RE: Not a big fan
By Screwballl on 4/29/2008 2:56:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think SP3 cripples XP just enough to make Balmer's comments seem justified. You can't even drag and drop network files to your local PC because of new restrictions, which don't even exist in Vista.
Steve, if the security improvements in SP3 are so important, why aren't they implemented in Vista? What are you trying to say? This only goes one way.

Basically anyone who's smart enough to read Anandtech is smart enough to not need any 'features' in SP3.

Virtually everyone here shouldn't bother.


anandtech has NOTHING about SP3 on their pages.... maybe speculation in their forums but no hard evidence of anything you say. I have been using multiple SP3 beta and RC versions and have not had a single problem that you described.

Although as an alternative, I have heard plenty of similar issues with Vista SP1, not XP SP3... please stop spreading lies SAMUS


Wait and see....
By Googer on 4/29/2008 7:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
By installing SP3 you may just be opening a can of worms with more surprises than expected. I think I am going to hold out on this one and let the early adopters guinea pig it for me or install it on the day MS inevitably forces it down my throat.




RE: Wait and see....
By dickeywang on 4/29/08, Rating: -1
RE: Wait and see....
By i3arracuda on 4/29/08, Rating: -1
RE: Wait and see....
By mikefarinha on 4/29/2008 10:15:46 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I think I am going to hold out on this one and let the early adopters guinea pig it for me


You sir have lost your geek badge.
Please return it to the nice lady at the front desk. The rest of your items will be shipped back to you.


RE: Wait and see....
By junkdubious on 4/29/2008 3:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
I would wait. Only because that's just being a good consumer rather than a complaint customer. Because, in Soviet-Russia, the bleeding-edge cuts you!


RE: Wait and see....
By Googer on 4/30/2008 1:48:19 AM , Rating: 2
SP2 came out it introduced some small problems for a few users. After a few weeks and no real user complaints, I'll consider downloading SP3.


RE: Wait and see....
By omnicronx on 4/29/2008 10:52:16 AM , Rating: 2
Can anyone say security blanket! It would not matter if sp3 offered a 200% performance increase, people like you would still find a way to bash it and to complain about MS, Vista, and your poor stock portfolio performance from last year(Vista's fault of course).


RE: Wait and see....
By SavagePotato on 4/29/2008 1:12:27 PM , Rating: 5
Welcome to the modern phenomenon of deferred personal responsibility.

Someone else is always to blame for everything that doesn't go the individuals way in life. The sense of entitlement for each and everything to be handed to one on a silver platter is the earmark of modern western society.

Sounds like more people should be joining the church of Scientology. Blame it on the thetans.


RE: Wait and see....
By itzmec on 4/29/2008 3:58:26 PM , Rating: 2
what he said


RE: Wait and see....
By SavagePotato on 4/29/2008 11:14:15 AM , Rating: 5
Microsoft releasing free service packs that they put many hours of development into is forcing something down your throat.

Tell you what, go get a Mac, you can pay for your service packs and kiss Steve Jobs' ass at the same time. That should be a breath of fresh air to you over evil Microsoft and their forcing free updates down your throat.


A WinXP SP3 Install
By Gastrian on 4/29/2008 8:23:27 AM , Rating: 2
Is there anyway to make a WinXP SP3 install disk? I'm reinstalling my PC anyway and I'd rather have it preloaded with SP3 instead of SP2 which is already on my official disc.




RE: A WinXP SP3 Install
By GreenEnvt on 4/29/2008 8:38:27 AM , Rating: 2
Yes indeed, you can use nlite (google it) to slipstream the SP3 service pack onto the SP2 CD.


RE: A WinXP SP3 Install
By tastyratz on 4/29/2008 8:40:44 AM , Rating: 2
I have not yet tried it yet but if you google sp2 slipstream instructions you will see how to do it with the sp2 file - I would imagine using sp3 would be the same process unless I hear otherwise.

sp3 has been rtm and in beta for some time now, does anyone have a link to some place where users have reported their issues and "features"?

I personally know several people using sp3 that rant and rave about it improving their system but I would like to know what else I might be getting into by installing


RE: A WinXP SP3 Install
By armagedon on 4/29/2008 8:42:43 AM , Rating: 2
that's a good question. It's was easy to slipstream XP2 into an installation disk. If you are familiar with this technic, give it a shot with SP3 and please let us know.
"pack /integrate:drive:\your-sourceinstall-path"


RE: A WinXP SP3 Install
By MarcLeFou on 4/29/2008 8:48:53 AM , Rating: 2
I'm guessing you can slipstream SP3 just like you could SP2.

Do a google search on it and you'll find lots of handy guides. Very easy.


RE: A WinXP SP3 Install
By armagedon on 4/29/2008 10:59:17 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, i gave it a shot following the same method as SP2 but the pack refuse to integrate (update /integrate:x:/sp2).
It give error messages. Anyone had any luck ?


RE: A WinXP SP3 Install
By armagedon on 4/29/2008 11:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
Correction, it does work. I used an older XP SP1 disk instead of an SP2 and there it goes. Now i should have a XP SP3 disk.


By BuddyRich on 4/29/2008 8:32:21 AM , Rating: 2
Some people were claiming a 10% increase over SP2... while others saw nothing.




By TheSpaniard on 4/29/2008 8:49:34 AM , Rating: 2
I am also interested in this, but more importantly will it bring power consumption down?

as vista vs xp sp2 stands they both consume the same amount of power...


By Jedi2155 on 4/29/2008 9:46:29 AM , Rating: 1
Unless you run the Aero interface....then your GPU is definitely consuming more power to render everything....


By TheSpaniard on 4/29/2008 1:40:34 PM , Rating: 2
I will have to check this out! I have a vista imprisoned laptop and am looking for ways to reduce power consumption without the $100 to buy XP.

also I thought aero was a lateral transition... trade cpu usage for gpu usage?


By Jedi2155 on 5/5/2008 5:41:43 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry I meant, the opposite. If you're running the Aero interface, then you're highly likely to be consuming more power on Vista.


SP3 RC?
By AkumaX on 4/29/2008 10:42:28 AM , Rating: 2
You guys sure that's the RTM?
according to:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929
that's an RC




RE: SP3 RC?
By kevinkreiser on 4/29/2008 10:51:47 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah I'm confused about this too. The german language sp3 is available:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?fa...

and so is the japanese version:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?di...

but when you switch the language to english it doesn't find the website.


RE: SP3 RC?
By kevinkreiser on 4/29/2008 10:52:52 AM , Rating: 2
nevermind those are RC as well


RE: SP3 RC?
By Ensoph42 on 4/29/2008 1:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
Now you have me paranoid. MS put it on their windowsupdate site, so I took the plunge. My bad if you're right.

I dont think those who feel their machine is snappier are exagerating. IE7 seems faster indeed. However I notice that (I use fast user switching with passwords) when I move from one account to another it takes a little longer. I get a black screen for a second or two, where as before I had none.


Does SP3 require a validated copy of Windows?
By johnnyMon on 4/29/2008 6:40:18 PM , Rating: 2
Does one's copy of Windows have to be validated before installing?

And/or, will it mung an invalid install so Windows no longer runs?

(This question is not in reference to my own system.)




RE: Does SP3 require a validated copy of Windows?
By armagedon on 4/29/2008 7:56:32 PM , Rating: 2
no VGA check for me that i can see (post just above).
Tried it on "my friend" comp with a "more or less" (less then more) legitimate XP version and it still running fine. Unless something will pop up after a certain delay like a ticking bomb and wipe out his C drive ...


RE: Does SP3 require a validated copy of Windows?
By johnnyMon on 4/29/2008 8:04:53 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks, arm. I did see your post but I thought the validation scheme was called WGA, for Windows Genuine Advantage, so I just wanted to make sure.


By armagedon on 4/29/2008 9:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
you're absolutely right, it is called WGA, my mistake. Still i didn't see anything at the install but i read somewhere that there was supposed to be one check included.


Address Bar
By Vinny141 on 4/29/2008 11:54:26 AM , Rating: 2
"Everything seems to work fine. The only difference I have noticed is that I no longer have an address bar tool bar now, which I liked, next to my start button. Can't even re-add it. :( But other wise, snappy. "

"After installing Windows XP Service Pack 3 beta, the Address Bar feature will be removed from the Taskbar
The Address Bar feature will not be present in Windows XP Service Pack 3. This change is in response to a regulatory request and is present beginning with Windows XP Service Pack 3 Beta.
There is a bug related to the removal of the Address Bar in the Windows XP Service Pack 3. The user can return the Address Bar to the taskbar by unlocking the taskbar and choosing Toolbars > Links.
This is a known issue and will be specifically addressed in a later milestone of the Windows XP Service Pack 3 beta program, where the end user?s ability to restore the Address Bar feature will be eliminated."

to add it back try this:
http://www.systemsabuse.com/2007/12/27/xp-service-...




RE: Address Bar
By Ensoph42 on 4/29/2008 12:28:31 PM , Rating: 2
Gone forever and ever? Its a shame, I had used TweakUI so I could just type "google 'whateverIwantToSearchFor' and have IE come up with the google page. according to the link you sent theres some legal restriction. Should we blame the EU?


RE: Address Bar
By gcouriel on 4/29/2008 12:51:55 PM , Rating: 2
i installed it... looks good.


This article is hogwash...
By jtemplin on 4/30/2008 3:56:59 PM , Rating: 2
Brandon Hill has it all wrong. Didn't he hear? SP 3 has been delayed indefinitely.

Apparently the meaning of indefinite is very indefinite these days, or perhaps Jason Mick is very literal minded so that the headline "Delayed Indefinitely" literally means he doesn't know. Anyway I just thought it was funny that less than 12 hours after that article comes this news. Here I was thinking I would have to jump ship to Vista on account of my treasured SP 3 being delayed (indefinitely). (cough sarcasm cough)




RE: This article is hogwash...
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 4/30/2008 6:10:16 PM , Rating: 2
Indefinitely means for a non-definite timeframe. Most people just use the phrase wrong, but Jason did not.


RE: This article is hogwash...
By jtemplin on 5/1/2008 8:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
Language is created and modified by people. I would argue that indefinite has a strong connotation of extended length, people just don't like uncertainty. Several people mentioned it in the comments. Even if you don't agree, I did acknowledge his usage was correct when I spoke of literal interpretation.

I know everyone complains about Jason, but I was originally more interested in the fact that it came out within 12 hours of the original story. But since you responded I would like to demonstrate that putting a "timeframe" on the SP in the headline is unusual. Here is a sampling of other news stories on the same topic. None of these headlines makes mention of the length SP 3 will be delayed...I find it curious that his did. Have a good day Kris and keep up the good work: ):
quote:
Microsoft Backpedals on Windows Updates
PC World - 4 hours ago

XP change corrupts data, hamstrings SP3 rollout
Computerworld, MA - 8 hours ago

Microsoft Learns From Itself By Delaying XP SP3
PC World - 8 hours ago

Microsoft Pulls XP Update Due to a Last Minute Software Glitch
Wired News - 10 hours ago

Obscure Microsoft product halts Windows releases
CNET News.com, CA - Apr 30, 2008

Update: Microsoft postpones release of Windows XP SP3
Computerworld, MA - Apr 30, 2008

Windows XP SP3 Delayed, Vista SP1 Paused
Techtree.com, India - Apr 30, 2008

Microsoft postpones Service Pack updates
Heise Online, Germany - Apr 30, 2008

No XP Service Pack 3 for You
InternetNews.com - Apr 30, 2008

MS pulls plugs on XP SP3 mass launch
Register, UK - Apr 30, 2008

Windows XP service pack bugs out
New Zealand Herald, New Zealand - Apr 29, 2008

Microsoft Delays Windows XP Service Pack 3
Washington Post, United States - Apr 29, 2008

Last-Minute Glitch Holds Up Windows XP SP3
Slashdot - Apr 29, 2008

Microsoft delays Windows XP update
CBC.ca, Canada - Apr 29, 2008

Microsoft delays release of Windows XP SP3
Computerworld, MA - Apr 29, 2008

Microsoft Again Delays Windows XP SP3 Release
InformationWeek, NY - Apr 29, 2008

Microsoft Delays XP SP3 Once Again
CRN, NY - Apr 29, 2008

Microsoft discovers XP SP3 glitch
WindowsForDevices, CA - Apr 30, 2008

Microsoft stops delivery of Vista SP1, Windows XP SP3
TECH.BLORGE.com, Australia - Apr 30, 2008

Delay in XP SP3 Will Let Microsoft Put Up Dynamics Filter
NewsFactor Network, CA - Apr 30, 2008

Windows XP SP3 Release to Web delayed
I4U - Apr 30, 2008

Incompatibility sidelines service packs as Microsoft tries to find ...
TechRepublic, KY - Apr 30, 2008

Microsoft XP SP3 delayed
Pocket-lint.co.uk, UK - Apr 30, 2008


Huzzah!
By WileCoyote on 4/29/2008 8:37:00 AM , Rating: 1
I own a computer repair business and let me tell you, I love it when Windows Service Packs are released. So many computers get hosed. $$$$.




RE: Huzzah!
By 306maxi on 4/29/2008 9:12:14 AM , Rating: 4
I remember SP2 getting released on the masses. Caused so many problems that one did. But people seem to have short memories and think XP was perfect from release.


Should I intall?
By ashegam on 4/29/2008 9:34:00 AM , Rating: 2
So do I have to install this if I have done all the windows updates up to this point?

I just did a windows update and there were no updates available for me.




RE: Should I intall?
By gcouriel on 4/29/2008 12:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
according to the articles posted, SP3 will hit the automatic update cycle this summer. now, it's for people who want to proactively download it. look at the link above.


Glitch in SP3
By gcouriel on 4/29/2008 3:05:21 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Glitch in SP3
By TomZ on 4/29/2008 3:22:29 PM , Rating: 2
...or is the glitch in Dynamics? I get the feeling they're not going to change SP3 - they're just going to hold it off for a short while. That seems to imply they might be making a fix in Dynamics.


Nice
By rockyct on 4/29/2008 5:16:20 AM , Rating: 2
It's nice to see that SP3 is out. I have Vista on my laptop which is running great, but I can't upgrade to Vista on my desktop due to some old hardware. This SP will tide me over until I build a new system.




Just installed and....
By Ensoph42 on 4/29/2008 9:20:16 AM , Rating: 2
Everything seems to work fine. The only difference I have noticed is that I no longer have an address bar tool bar now, which I liked, next to my start button. Can't even re-add it. :( But other wise, snappy.




microsoft is dumb
By casket on 4/29/2008 11:05:30 AM , Rating: 2
"I think the registry should be replaced with a system which locks out 3rd party developers, at least eventually. "

Seems so obvious. Perhaps a parralel registry... one for windows, one for other programs. Other programs should not be able to touch the operating system.

Additionally files that get moved into the system32 folder... it is hard to tell what is a windows file, and what isn't sometimes. The windows directory should be protected. No non-microsoft files allowed. Make some parralel folder in program files for all these program dlls. It seems silly these guys never thought about this.




Observations
By gcouriel on 4/29/2008 11:13:42 AM , Rating: 2
I just finished installing SP3 about 20 minutes ago. here are my observations:

running my Pentium M @ 1.6ghz, the computer is noticably faster. boot up used to take about 5 minutes to load all the programs i run. that's been cut down about 2 minutes now, after multiple cold boots and restarts. that's a very appreciated improvement.

IE7 is now noticeably faster than before. pages load a lot faster, and tend to hesitate less.

Office 2007 doesn't bog down as much (Word & Outlook is all i've used so far).

Just my $.02




Windows Update
By UppityMatt on 4/29/2008 12:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
On a side note, we purchased several new XP machines for my company and i have been installing our software and doing the updates on the machines. When i finished up Friday windows update would suggest IE7, today windows update no longer even lists IE7 as an optional update or recommended. I had to go and download the installer manually...not sure why they would remove this from their windows update program. And no flaming about use FireFox or this or that, i always put IE7 and FireFox on the machines and let the user choose what they want.




Prepare for SP3 Install
By Vinny141 on 4/29/2008 1:21:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
See these tips of MVP Jupiter Jones (most will apply to WinXP SP3):
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp.htm. Ditto for most of what you'll find
in these subforums: http://aumha.net/index.php?c=16

Here are a few things you can do that should help you avoid most problems:

1. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
virus infections before installing SP3.

2. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.

3. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware; third-party
firewall) before installing SP3.

4. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/




No, it's not...
By Arctucas on 4/29/2008 5:43:16 PM , Rating: 2
No IE7 / MP 11 update ?
By armagedon on 4/29/2008 5:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
Install from the link mentionned on an old P3 just to see and seems to work fine. Strange i though it was forcing IE 7 and MediaPlayer 11 but no, still the old versions. I went after to MS update and nothing available there.

System seems to boot a bit faster and is more responsive. We'll see. There was no VGA check either.




SP3? I'm taking a pass
By NesuD on 4/29/08, Rating: -1
RE: SP3? I'm taking a pass
By namhuy on 4/29/2008 12:41:42 PM , Rating: 2
I just installed to my virtual machine, everything works fine. Maybe something wrong with your computer.


RE: SP3? I'm taking a pass
By 306maxi on 4/29/2008 12:47:08 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. They have randomly inserted code into SP3 that causes the above to happen to people which Microsoft don't like.

That or there was something wrong with your install of XP and it didn't like SP3.


RE: SP3? I'm taking a pass
By NesuD on 4/29/08, Rating: 0
RE: SP3? I'm taking a pass
By TomZ on 4/29/2008 3:56:54 PM , Rating: 3
I guess you're typical of the kind of mediocre IT "professionals" I've met from time-to-time. Pass on Vista, pass on service packs. Pretty much don't do anything proactive or progressive unless forced to, and then complain like crazy about it. If guys like you ran the world, we'd still all be using DOS since it was pretty stable and who needs more than that?


RE: SP3? I'm taking a pass
By PB PM on 4/29/2008 4:03:47 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter too much, turns out the link on this sit is to a RC beta. MS has held back the official release because a bug was found yesterday (read about this on PC World).


RE: SP3? I'm taking a pass
By SavagePotato on 4/29/2008 10:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
Right so you believe that Microsoft has released a service pack to purposefully bluescreen computers, because of this belief you have written it off because the install didn't go so great on your personal system.

When I heard this professional was the first word that popped into my mind. The mark of a true professional is always to rush to asinine conclusions and write off products entirely based off of a single failure.

Another mark of the true professional is to completely rule out the possibility of any problems with ones own equipment. Well no kidding right, I mean how on EARTH would a professional type persons computer have a hardware failure or anything whatsoever wrong with it's install. The very professional nature of one such god of tech precludes even the mere thought of such blasphemy.

No professional should be asked to do mundane tasks such as malware scan, checkdisks, or even hardware diagnostics before making silly little sweepingly major changes to their system that could potentialy result in data loss, right?

Kudos to you professional. Now go back to your closet and use your stable windows98 machine to write an anti Vista article.


Other links?
By Etern205 on 4/29/08, Rating: -1
RE: Other links?
By DeuceHalo on 4/29/2008 11:42:01 AM , Rating: 5
Not for folks that use a $ in place of an S. If you don't like them, don't use their OS.


RE: Other links?
By SavagePotato on 4/29/2008 1:24:00 PM , Rating: 3
Which also indicates 9 times out of 10, that it is someone running pirate Windows anyway and doesn't feel they are getting their moneys worth.


RE: Other links?
By Etern205 on 4/29/08, Rating: -1
RE: Other links?
By SavagePotato on 4/29/2008 4:15:01 PM , Rating: 1
The indication was that you used it because you are an ape tit.

This is a common response you can expect to receive on forums if you put your foot in your mouth by saying stupid things such as M$.


RE: Other links?
By omnicronx on 4/29/2008 4:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
He was only asking for a link why are you grilling him...


RE: Other links?
By TomZ on 4/29/2008 4:34:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's pretty obvious that some people are just sick of the childish "M$" thing. So some grilling is probably in order. :o)


RE: Other links?
By Bonesdad on 4/29/2008 7:52:55 PM , Rating: 3
hrm...seems kinda childish to complain about such a moronic thing doesn't it?


RE: Other links?
By TomZ on 4/29/2008 8:01:44 PM , Rating: 2
Considering the +5 rating on the original post that criticized it, I'd say that at least some people are in agreement with the general sentiment.


RE: Other links?
By DeuceHalo on 4/30/2008 11:30:23 AM , Rating: 2
I found it rather humorous and hypocritical that the OP wants SP3 links, but yet feels that it's ok to jump on the "hate Microsoft" bandwagon at the same time. (Color it how you want - I have yet to see anyone use the 'm$' thing in a positive way.) If I dislike a company that much, I display that by spending my money elsewhere.


RE: Other links?
By johnsonx on 4/30/2008 2:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have yet to see anyone use the 'm$' thing in a positive way


Perhaps a long-time M$ stockholder would use 'M$' in a positive way? Someone rolling in the M$ $$$$$?

(if only that were me)


RE: Other links?
By Etern205 on 4/29/2008 7:53:18 PM , Rating: 1
If that's the case then next time for all that just types in "MS" they get grilled too for not being loyal to the Redmond Washington giant by typing "Microsoft".

:rolleyes:


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