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China has a serious Windows XP problem

Microsoft has been pushing hard in the United States to get corporations and individual users to abandon Windows XP and move to more modern versions like Windows 7 and Windows 8. On April 8, 2014, Microsoft will deliver its last Windows XP security update, and that also happens to be the day that Microsoft hopes to have as many companies and individual users rid themselves of Windows XP altogether.

By April 8, 2014, estimates are that about 10% of all computers in the U.S. will still be running Windows XP. As high as that number sounds, it's only a tiny fraction of the number of computers in China that will still be running Windows XP when April 8 rolls around. In China, roughly 65% of all computers are expected to still be on Windows XP when April 8, 2014 rolls around.

Analytics firm Net Applications estimated that 37.2% of personal computers around the world ran Windows XP last month. Estimates from Microsoft showing 1.4 billion Windows computers around the globe, which would mean about 570 million PCs globally still run Windows XP. Data shows that 16.4% of all personal computers were running Windows XP in the U.S. during the month of July. In China, 72.1% of all computers relied on XP.

Opinions vary on why Windows XP is still so widely used by individuals and corporations. Some believe that XP is still so widely used because businesses continue to run custom or niche applications that would be prohibitively expensive to upgrade. Individuals running Windows XP may also have a computer that is working just fine on Windows XP for mundane duties such as email, internet browsing, and image viewing.
As the saying goes, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

Source: Network World

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Just make Windows 7 free.
By quiksilvr on 8/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By Ramtech on 8/8/2013 10:05:08 AM , Rating: 2
Windows 7 is one of their biggest cash cows so thats not realistic dont forget Pirates they are doing this for free

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By dgingerich on 8/8/13, Rating: -1
RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By R3T4rd on 8/8/2013 11:51:31 AM , Rating: 3
I r understanding wut dood is tries to convey.

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Dead be grahamar trolls__

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By Souka on 8/8/2013 7:06:45 PM , Rating: 2
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

True... but it'll quickly becme after April 2014, "Once it's broken into, fix it" Fix-it being newer OS.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By Samus on 8/9/2013 3:32:50 PM , Rating: 2
There are various things "broken" with windows XP. Many of these broken things have been corrected as "features" in Vista/7/8, many of which were introduced with the WinPE environment.

No bare-metal recovery, 4GB memory barrier (because honestly, who runs XP 64-bit?) and obvious security problems (IE8 is latest browser, outdated TCPIP stack, no driver protection framework.)

Managing XP over Vista+ is substantially more involved, especially under Server 2008+. Just getting WSUS to issue updates to XP systems is more complex than it should be.

The obvious reason XP is so dominant in China is piracy. It's much easier to pirate than Vista/7/8 because the multi-license editions needs no activation, and therefore have no activation key limits.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By kleinma on 8/8/2013 10:11:21 AM , Rating: 5
What do you do for a living? I think you should do it for free 3 days a week. The benefits are obvious.
1) Makes you feel better about your work
2) Your company looks more profitable
3) Easier to see how your comment makes no sense

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By quiksilvr on 8/8/13, Rating: -1
RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By inighthawki on 8/8/2013 11:34:47 AM , Rating: 5
Where are you getting this seemingly random statistic. First and foremost, Microsoft has never even released an OS in under a years time, let alone 6 months. The closest is going to be 8.1 and it's release date is targeted a little after 12 months.

Secondly, no version of windows has ever hit mass adoption so quickly. Even win7, their fastest growing os ever, is still not holding a market share as high as you think, even after about 4 years. This might be more applicable if win7 had like 98% market of all windows pcs, but its not even close. Probably barely 50% or less.

Your idea is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By DanNeely on 8/8/2013 11:49:30 AM , Rating: 2
If you read "market" as "available in retail" his comment is reasonable. Newegg is about 50/50 between w7 and w8; but the last few times I was in a boxmart I don't think I saw a single computer still running win7.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By quiksilvr on 8/8/2013 1:06:44 PM , Rating: 2
Ahhhhh, I see the confusion, my apologies, let me try to re-explain.

6-12 months after the NEXT OS. Meaning Windows 7 is out for 4 years, Windows 8 comes out, and 6-12 months AFTER Windows 8 comes out, make Windows 7 free.

Windows 8.1 I see more of a Service Pack and not part of this equation. Reading back I see the "wtf are you talking about". My bad.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By kleinma on 8/8/2013 3:49:21 PM , Rating: 5
I still read what you say with a "wtf are you talking about"...

I fail to see how Microsoft giving away an old outdated OS for free helps them in any way, shape, or form. You seem to think that will make them somehow magically upgrade to a paid version of a more modern OS?

How many 2013 cars would ford sell if they were giving away unsold 2011 models for free?

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By inighthawki on 8/9/2013 11:10:39 AM , Rating: 2
I foresee everyone just waiting until the next version anxiously anticipating their "free upgrade" :)

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By PrinceGaz on 8/10/2013 8:44:12 AM , Rating: 3
I think he has a great idea.

It means I could now obtain a free copy of Windows 7 to replace XP which I am still using (because it runs everything I want to run perfectly fine).

Of course it also means I would never ever need to buy another copy of Windows because the previous version (or previous version but one when Vista was the previous version) would be just as good for me as the current version. The same probably applies to 95% of users... which could be why Microsoft have chosen not to adopt that policy.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By inighthawki on 8/10/2013 7:32:54 PM , Rating: 3
The same probably applies to 95% of users... which could be why Microsoft have chosen not to adopt that policy.

Or probably more likely because businesses don't normally give their products away for free.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By kleinma on 8/8/2013 3:46:29 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty easy to make a case when you know nothing about how MS oem licenses work and also when you just make up random stats and timetables.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By Flunk on 8/8/2013 10:21:43 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think you know how to run a profitable business. Microsoft is more likely to institute a driver signing program where you MUST have your drivers signed by them, after testing. Then they can make their driver signing program only available for the last 2 versions of Windows (that would be 7 and 8 now). That way, companies would be unable to release drivers after a certain point and new system would HAVE to run newer versions of Windows.

No, I'm not suggesting they do this and I'm not suggesting this is Microsoft's plan. I'm just saying that they're much more likely to do this than your plan, which I imagine involves Microsoft going bust in the next 10 years.

P.S. Microsoft has actually instituted driver signing policies so this is not as far-fetched as it seems. The question is, does Microsoft think they can get away with it? We'll see.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By AMDftw on 8/8/2013 10:30:47 AM , Rating: 3
No, Make Win 8 free. Win 8 is junk when it comes to the desktop world. I've had many friends rolling on cracked Win 7. They all finally bought legitimate copy of Win 7. Soon enough Win 7 will be Win XP.

The only many reason for China to still run XP is all their manufacturing plants. PLC communication doesn't work very well in WIN 7. It can be done just not as smooth.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By kleinma on 8/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By amanojaku on 8/8/2013 10:28:19 AM , Rating: 2
In my opinion, I think 6-12 months after the release of a new OS, the old OS should become free.
The only way this would work is if support was denied at the same time. This would not impact most home users, but it would impact companies who pay for support contracts. Without support, the software becomes a liability, something businesses cannot afford. By support, I mean bug fixes, as feature updates usually stop when an updated product comes out. XP extended support contracts run out in 2014, three OS releases later (Vista, 7, 8).

1) Makes upgrading to the new OS easier
Ease of upgrade has nothing to do with free vs. paid. It has everything to do with software compatibility and retention of existing settings and data. I never upgrade (clean install only), and I run as few applications as possible for those reasons. Corporations with poor application testing and data retention policies are the last ones to upgrade, because of the risk of data loss.
2) Easier to support
The use of the OS dictates the length of support. Windows is used in retail, banking, etc... You cannot drop support before companies have a reasonable chance to upgrade a significant portion of systems. Otherwise, you're putting them and their clients at risk in two ways, by having an unsupported product, or by forcing them to proceed with upgrades before they are ready.
3) Moves older computers off the shelves to make room for newer computers
That's not a good reason to end software support. A lot of new software runs well on old hardware. Windows 7 and 8 run well on many machines that were built for XP. In fact, I only upgraded to Windows 7 at home last year. I was running an Athlon XP 2800+ based desktop from 2006. Windows 7 was faster on that hardware than XP was. And newer hardware performance isn't so significant for things like spreadsheets, word processing, and web apps.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By BRB29 on 8/8/2013 1:58:30 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see how offering old OS for free will help upgrading to the new OS easier.

Let's think about this.

You made the old OS free!!
The new OS cost money!!

People like free stuff!

I would pick the old OS especially if it's a choice between windows 7 or 8. The only OS I would pay to upgrade from was Win ME.

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By MichalT on 8/8/2013 2:15:25 PM , Rating: 2
Terrific! Write your own OS distribute it, and tell us how this works out for you. :)

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By name99 on 8/8/2013 2:47:19 PM , Rating: 2
The actual cost of the OS is an important factor in upgrading, of course.

But it's not the only factor. OSX makes upgrading (on the same computer) or "sidegrading" (moving old computer's world to new computer with newer OS) quite trivial.

As far as I know, MS still does a lousy job with both of these. Which means that people stick with a system (OS + HW) that works until the day it dies, because the business of moving is so painful.
(And if I am wrong, if MS CAN upgrade or sidegrade as well as OSX, they might want to spend some money ADVERTISING that fact, rather than telling us that Surface is a find product for generating snapping noises and for waving as part of a flash mob.)

RE: Just make Windows 7 free.
By KCjoker on 8/8/2013 6:35:09 PM , Rating: 2
I hope your post wasn't serious. How about you make a product and use those same standards.

By luv2liv on 8/8/13, Rating: 0
By kleinma on 8/8/2013 10:57:13 AM , Rating: 3
Other than the fact that you can't run any modern software, or hardware, or view modern websites? I guess nothing, as long as you can get by with static content from 15 years ago.

By Dorkyman on 8/8/2013 11:09:50 AM , Rating: 1
Bull. W98 had some serious issues, but it works just fine with "modern websites."

Suggest you visit a Fry's Electronics store. Lots of stuff requires XP or higher, but lots doesn't.

Here, all our systems continue running XP. Stable, bullet-proof, reliable, well-known.

By StanO360 on 8/8/2013 1:46:54 PM , Rating: 3
XP is NOT 98(release 2 I presume). There is a huge gulf between the two. And there is not a lot that will run on it.

By ClownPuncher on 8/8/2013 12:53:53 PM , Rating: 2
Because win98 is terrible.

The problem with XP...
By Motoman on 8/8/2013 11:08:25 AM , Rating: 4 that there's no problem with XP.

It's fine. For the *vast* majority of PC users, XP is a perfect fit for their needs, and there's less than no reason to consider upgrading.

The problem MS faces now is that their last 3 OSs are all "fine." If you currently have XP, Vista, or Win7 on your PC, you likely have no problems with that OS and don't need anything else. Yes, even Vista...once all the driver issues and such were sorted out, it's fine too.

Naturally, the Fisher-Price UI that MS put on top of Win8 was a massive calamity too, but even without that the vast majority of users would see no reason to upgrade.

XP was easily "good enough" - and still is. So is Vista and Win7, and whenever Win9 comes out, people on Win8 will almost certainly be in the same boat.

Hardware needs also plateaued a long time ago for the vast majority of users, meaning that there's not really any need for people to buy new PCs to be able to run some new killer app. People are using their PCs until they physically die...which may be a 10-year cycle in a lot of cases.

New world.

RE: The problem with XP...
By Dorkyman on 8/8/2013 11:11:26 AM , Rating: 2

Roll on April 9th.
By drycrust3 on 8/8/2013 5:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
In China, roughly 65% of all computers are expected to still be on Windows XP when April 8, 2014 rolls around....
On April 8, 2014, Microsoft will deliver its last Windows XP security update, and that also happens to be the day that Microsoft hopes to have as many companies and individual users rid themselves of Windows XP altogether.

My observation, when I was in China in 2007, was most XP installations were pirated, thus Microsoft got no money from them, so Microsoft made it so those computers would fail the Windows Genuine Advantage tests, thus those computers weren't getting any security updates either. Thus, on April 9th, 2014, it will business as normal (less the constant fight with malware) in China.
I guess one could argue that it wouldn't cost Microsoft much if they had allowed security updates to pirated versions of XP, and it would mean the average version of security was higher than it is now, which would have made every user better off than they are now, but Microsoft is within their rights to do what they did.
It seemed to me that a common practice amongst American companies was to go to China and to expect customers to pay the same prices as American customers did, rather than set their prices so as to try and maximise the profit they got from that market.
I can't recall whether Microsoft had the same policy of pricing the same as the American equivalent or not, but my recollection is it was pretty rare, like once in a blue moon, to see what looked like a genuine Microsoft product on sale in a shop.
So I wouldn't expect a big rush to update Windows XP computers to the latest OS within the next few years.

RE: Roll on April 9th.
By mmarianbv on 8/9/2013 6:18:02 AM , Rating: 2
what crappy craks those chinese use ?

almost from launch pirated versions are able to use windows update just fine.

Put 2+2 together
By Dribble on 8/8/2013 10:57:43 AM , Rating: 2
Roughly 65% still expected to be using XP, and roughly 64% of them will be pirated.

Why upgrade to the new, harder-to-pirate version, when you can keep using the old version for free.

Why pay for the upgrade...
By puter_geek_01 on 8/12/2013 2:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
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