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SP1 for Windows Vista shines in some areas and introduces inconsistencies in others

Many Windows customers are excited about finally getting their hands on Windows Vista's first service pack, SP1, which promised to deliver not only bugfixes, but performance upgrades.  After a slow release schedule, Microsoft picked up the pace and made plans to ship early to select customers.  The service pack already went out to testers; volume English-language customers will be receiving it before the end of the week, and MSDN and TechNet subscribers will receive it by the end of the month.

One key question on Windows Vista users' minds is exactly how does Windows post SP1 measure up against the initial copy of Windows Vista in terms of performance.  In initial testing at CNET Labs, the results are in, and they are rather mixed.  Testers found that while SP1 improves performance under some condition, it actually decreases performance under others.  For the most part, testers concluded, few will notice the difference between the base installation and an SP1 installed system.

Vista does offer bundled updated third party drivers which do upgrade performance significantly, but most of these were already available.  Customers who have kept current with Window's Updates and their third party driver updates will find little new here, and thus will see no real performance change.  Microsoft definitely can take credit in a big picture sense for providing improved performance, though, as it has been devoting considerable resources to helping third party vendors make their products better compatible with Windows, gradually improving performance over the last year.

Probably the single biggest changes in performance have to do with file copying.  Windows XP used an cached I/O mode to improve write times.  Windows Vista on the other hand used a slower predominately uncached I/O system.  The upgrade to SP1 adds caching back into the mix, which in most cases, testers discovered, improves results.

Another CNET blogger, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes, claims just the opposite: that Vista file transfers increase dramatically with the new service pack. Some of his file transfer tests demonstrated performance increases of up to 63% in benchmarks.

Mark Russinovich, a technical fellow for Microsoft, explains the inconsistencies in another post on Microsoft's TechNet forum.  He summarizes, "You’ll see the biggest improvements over older versions of Windows when copying files on high-latency, high-bandwidth networks where the large I/Os, SMB2’s I/O pipelining, and Vista’s TCP/IP stack receive-window auto-tuning can literally deliver what would be a ten minute copy on Windows XP or Server 2003 in one minute."

On the other side of things, CNET reports the SP1 update has somehow created a performance degradation in copy times to external USB 2.0 hard drives.  Something is going wrong in Windows Vista SP1 during USB copies, and the issue is currently under investigation.  Meanwhile Windows Vista SP1 takes a 40 to 50 percent performance hit in this type of file copies, when compared to base Windows Vista.

Testers did comment on SP1's rather good job in delivering bug fixes.  This leads to a more stable environment.  Still, feelings towards SP1 will probably depend heavily on users' expectations as it delivers a mixed bag of performance changes.


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Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Sahrin on 2/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By pauluskc on 2/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By pauluskc on 2/14/2008 5:01:01 PM , Rating: 5
Plus, how in the world do they come up with this:

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On the other side of things, the SP1 update has somehow created a performance degradation in copy times to external USB 2.0 hard drives. Something is going wrong in Windows Vista SP1 during USB copies, and the issue is currently under investigation. Meanwhile Windows Vista SP1 takes a 40 to 50 percent performance hit in this type of file copies, when compared to base Windows Vista.


Pure stupidity. This must be a conversation in their developer farm:

dev 12187: direct i/o is fastest
dev 47623: cached i/o is fastest
dev 82716: USB is too fast, slow it down
dev 97863: I want my mommy!

Ugh.


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By SavagePotato on 2/14/2008 5:09:55 PM , Rating: 5
You have built computers for 10 years.
And you could not master the networking in Vista.

Lets say that again for effect

You have built computers for 10 years.
And you could not master the networking in Vista.

I'm sorry but there is really no way to sugar coat it, but you are stuck in the mud and have forgotten how to learn. It took me about one and a half minutes to get used to how networking was arranged.

It takes three clicks flat to get to the place to turn UAC off, and you will never be asked to confirm anything again.

Not even going to go into office. Same theme, you have lost all ability to learn if you couldn't figure out where the advanced options in office 2007 were in less than a minute.

So very sick and tired of so called experts slamming down the "I'm a tech" or "I build systems" bomb then proceeding on to talk about how they couldn't master the simplest of tasks a 12 year old could find in under a minute in Vista. Give everyone a break.


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Xerio on 2/14/2008 5:27:33 PM , Rating: 3
I was thinking the same thing. I have been building computers for about 15 years (on and off) and I had no problems acclimating to Vista. My wife on the other hand... :)

Another thing: UAC is annoying, but it serves a purpose. I have cleaned up millions (it seems) of computers from crap. UAC keeps the average home user from doing things they don't need to be messing with. If it could be turned off easily, then it would serve no purpose. For the rest of us, as mentioned, it is easily disabled.


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By SavagePotato on 2/14/2008 5:42:46 PM , Rating: 4
I'm not a genius, not a 20 year industry veteran. Just the average technician that's been playing with computers since they were 10 years old and ended up in it out of inevitability. I don't consider myself anything but of average intelligence.

Yet somehow Vista was easy as pie for me and everyone around me to learn. So that begs the question. How is it that these "professionals" these "experts" are managing to get so confused and put out by the so called abomination that Vista is?

How is it these self proclaimed system builders or self proclaimed "techs" have managed to find this so abysmally difficult that they couldn't even figure out how to turn off bloody UAC?

All I am left to come up with, is stupidity. What else can it be but stupidity or maybe assumption. Every single person thats come up to me and said "Vista sucks", I've asked really? why?

The answer comes back time and time again, uhhhh well because my buddy Jim said it sucks, or it's slow, or it's buggy and crashes. Inevitably leading to the next question which is, Have you used it?

Now it's easy to lie on a forum, face to face looking someone in the eye is different. The answer that comes back again and again is "uhh well no..."

So is it that these proclaimed pros are just really stupid as mud? Or are they just lying and exaggerating the level of evaluation they have put into the software to draw these asinine conclusions?


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/14/2008 5:59:03 PM , Rating: 5
More than likely its the "Unable to adapt to change" philosophy. I've got some 15 year vets on my current team and I want to fire them in the worst kind of way. Management wants to "retrain" them, and provide a 3-4 year plan to advance their skills to the level needed today. I hate it. In 3-4 years all of our capable engineers will be 3-4 years into the future (alot changes in that amount of time) yet these losers will be still behind, if not further. I'm laughing when we do a widespread rollout of Vista at work, most of these morons will be digging themselves an early grave trying to adjust to the changes (that are for the better).


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Mitch101 on 2/14/2008 6:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly that dead wight manages to survive or be protected by someone else in the company. Meanwhile we have a revolving door of some great contractors who we would love to keep but keep leaving to get a perm job somewhere else because we cant get rid of the dead wood.


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Xerio on 2/14/2008 6:11:48 PM , Rating: 3
Those guys really are annoying. I have a friend that runs a small business in SoCal. He took over the business from his dad who had a guy with 30 years of computer experience. The guy wasn't worth $5/hr and they were paying him six figures for his antiquated experience. One of the first things my friend did was let the guy go and took over the IT stuff himself.

It is a sad situation, but I also know guys that have been doing it for 30 years that have kept their skills up to date. Now those guys are worth the six figures.


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Xodus Maximus on 2/14/2008 7:03:00 PM , Rating: 2
And you call yourself a jedi, you want somebody fired, you fire them! Just concentrate hard enough and im sure "the force" will ignite those people without difficulty...oh, thats not what you meant, oops.

And I know exactly what you mean, I hate that kind of mentality which I like to call "What I have now is good enough". I just want to scream, humanity would still be in the caves with no technology if everyone was like you...and its pure laziness because they have no consequences for their incompetence, so they never learn.


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Southpaws on 2/15/2008 10:31:40 PM , Rating: 4
I'd like to play the Devil's advocate here and suggest that the "What I have now is good enough" attitude can be perfectly acceptable. Upgrading to a new OS, just for the sake of updating makes no sense. There's got to be a tangible, financial benefit achieved by doing so.

For most companies it will not be a matter of staying ahead of the curve, it will be a matter of cost. Windows XP is fast, stable and its drivers are mature. Vista, while having numerous new security and usability enhancements, is plagued by stability and compatibility problems. The decision, as to whether or not to upgrade to Vista, should be a product of a cost/benfit analysis.

I'm pretty sure that right now Windows XP has a lower TCO than Vista.


By Xodus Maximus on 2/16/2008 6:11:11 PM , Rating: 2
That view is acceptable for an organization but not for an individual's personal creed, at least in my view.

Especially in technology and science people should always be striving for something better, and it is your responsibly as a human to learn and do as much as you can before you die. Again that is my personal belief, which is why lazy people who neglect their skills, just because they can, make me scream(see previous post ;).


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Aloonatic on 2/15/2008 5:15:07 AM , Rating: 3
Give it 10/15 years and see how you feel about vets then :)

Holographic displays and mind controlled devices will probably have us all scratching our heads and knocking the electrodes out of place much to the amusement of the fresh faced youngsters at our places of work who will laugh at us all and want us fired too :)


By DeepBlue1975 on 2/15/2008 7:44:23 AM , Rating: 3
Not necessarily.
I'm 33yo and been playing with computers since 1985 (my first one was a c64, and I still remember that a sys 64738 command soft resets that machine, as I remember the "tortured souls" game hidden on excel's 95 95th row, and how you could see the credits of windows 3.1 including a funny picture of Bill Gates).

And I could "learn" to use vista... I say "learn" because after using Xp, adapting to vista was pretty much straightforward. Come on, it's now rocket science at all...

Learning new stuff it's only a matter of attitude and personal predisposition. If you've got your mind set on the idea that anything new is horrendous and only old things are good, you're lost.


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By FITCamaro on 2/15/2008 7:06:58 AM , Rating: 2
I feel your pain Kenobi. Try doing it with people who aren't actually engineers.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/16/2008 7:20:55 PM , Rating: 2
I do. I've got many who aren't engineers, and I have many who claim to be "technical". Good ole management and labor laws prevent us from touching many of these people because they are "protected".


RE: Service Pack != Driver Upgrade
By Mitch101 on 2/14/2008 5:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
You bring up a good point.

Who is benchmarking the machine 3 months after a fresh OS install? Fresh vs Fresh is core OS comparison but not how that machine will be a year from now.

As for the USB disk performance where did they get the formatted drive from? Was it formatted from factory, xp, or vista. There are revisions to NTFS.