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Android still leads the market with Apple in second place

We all know that Microsoft has a long way to go before it makes real inroads on the two dominant players in the smartphone operating system game: Android and iOS. The folks from Redmond, WA have high hopes of being at least a strong third player in the smartphone market, as witnessed by its recently completed acquisition of Nokia’s Devices and Services divisions.

But recent numbers from ABI Research suggest that while Windows Phone shipments are increasing at an incredible rate, overall market share is still lagging compared to devices shipping with Android and iOS.
According to ABI Research’s numbers for Q1 2014, Google’s Android OS was able to carve out 44% of the overall phone market (including feature phones) with 24% growth compared to the same quarter of last year. Devices running Apple’s iOS held on to the second place position with 10% of the overall phone market with Apple increasing shipments of its iPhone by 17%. Despite the fact that shipments of Windows Phone devices have boomed by 119% compared to last year, the platform stood at 3% in market share.
If we single out smartphone sales, Android (including AOSP) was the by far the dominant player with 80% of the market. iOS brought in 14.6% share, and Windows Phone had 4.4% share.
Microsoft, however, is trouncing BlackBerry, which isn't saying much. BlackBerry shipped only 550,000 BB10 devices in the last quarter compared to 13.2 million Windows Phone devices. 

Source: ABI Research

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By Dr of crap on 5/7/2014 10:26:33 AM , Rating: 5
Just wondering why people care about the percent of market share that a smart phone has?
When I buy a PC I don't look into the market share that the company has. When I buy a TV, I don't look into the market share that the company has. When I buy a car, I don't look into the market share of the car makers.

WHEN it time to get a new phone, I don't look into the market share that the phone/company has. I just go with the one that fits my needs.

Just wondering who cares?

RE: Why
By atechfan on 5/7/2014 10:32:47 AM , Rating: 2
Some people feel a need to be validated in their purchases, especially something they are seen in public with like a phone or clothing. Having the trendy brand is more important than other factors.

RE: Why
By StevoLincolnite on 5/7/2014 6:53:31 PM , Rating: 1
I personally have enough confidence in my self esteem, that I'll buy whatever provides me with the best value, even if it's not seen as "trendy". :)

RE: Why
By DanNeely on 5/7/2014 10:33:47 AM , Rating: 5
Marketshare is a major factor in 3rd parties deciding what platforms to support. If you're making a consumer oriented app both Android and iOS support is more or less a given because both have large shares of the market; WP8/Win8-Metro don't and it's easy to decide that the last few percent of the total market aren't worth spending anything extra on. The same type of problem comes up with mobile websites; where doesn't work in mobile IE tends to be a won't care item.

RE: Why
By saarek on 5/7/2014 10:37:35 AM , Rating: 2
I think that the average person is more likely to stick with either Android or iOS for two primary reasons:

1. It is familiar
2. Financial investment (especially for iOS) on apps/the ecosystem in general.

Think about it for a moment, for the average person what does a Nokia Lumia offer that the iPhone or an Android powered phone does not?

RE: Why
By damianrobertjones on 5/7/2014 10:54:45 AM , Rating: 3

1: Their friend has one
2: Someone said that x or y is the thing to have.

Most consumers have ZERO idea about what they're buying

P.s. A Nokia 1020 offers the user the BEST phone camera you can buy today and the Windows phone platform provides a really easy to use interface

RE: Why
By Flunk on 5/7/2014 10:45:35 AM , Rating: 5
I care because I'm a software developer. I'm not going waste time developing apps for phones that don't have significant market share. That also influences app supply for different platforms, with popular platforms seeing the majority of releases.

So yes, market share is important. At least to some of us.

RE: Why
By Flunk on 5/7/2014 10:47:42 AM , Rating: 4
P.S. 4.4% is getting close to a reasonable share of the market. If my customers start asking about Windows Phone I may end up supporting it.

RE: Why
By Flunk on 5/7/2014 10:48:36 AM , Rating: 2
P.P.S. We dropped Blackberry support 6 months ago when we released a new product and literally no one has complained or even asked about it.

RE: Why
By Dr of crap on 5/7/2014 11:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
There is only iOS, Android, and Win8. You wouldn't consider writing apps for all three depending on market share??

So say you didn't write for Win8. Then the sales exploded, yet you didn't have your app/s for that platform. Now you're behind. So again, what good do are market shares write ups?

If you're a good app developer, you should have your app in all OS out there just in case one of the lower ones becomes big real fast.

RE: Why
By kleinma on 5/7/2014 1:40:11 PM , Rating: 5
The funny thing is the Windows phone platform is actually really, really good, and the one thing it is lacking is the apps which keeps market share down. But the app developers don't want to write apps for platforms with small market share, so it is a cycle that is tough to break.

RE: Why
By nikon133 on 5/7/2014 5:05:27 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think it is even apps at this stage - pretty much every popular app exists, or there is decent alternative. I cannot think of any app I'd like to have that does not exist already, and I made it sort of "hobby" checking out what apps my friends are using on iOS and Android, and checking what is available for WP. I'd say that 6-8 out of 10 could move to WP without suffering for lack of apps.

I think it is still word-of-mouth effect. A lot of people buy based on personal recommendation and demonstration from someone they know who already has device. As such, I think WP is growing brilliantly well - considering still limited number of people showing them around, I think they are achieving excellent traction. And why not? OS is smooth and functional, phones are covering every segment without limiting much functionality and experience even with lowest end models, and they are quite distinctive and recognisable.

I think MS is on good path, as long as they keep releasing new devices and updates as they did in the last year or so. They have successfully started the avalanche and it caught up (IMHO), all they need now is time for it to grow.

RE: Why
By CSMR on 5/8/2014 1:50:38 PM , Rating: 2
The Windows phone platform is only just becoming good with the forthcoming WP8.1 update. Until then there are a lot of limitations especially surrounding user files.

I think that with the WP8.1 update and future WP9 it can break this cycle, because what matters most is high quality core apps not hundreds of thousands of junk apps.

RE: Why
By Scrogneugneu on 5/7/2014 6:10:45 PM , Rating: 3
That's not how it works.

When you're creating an app, you're not waiting twiddling your thumbs when it's published. Whatever mobile platform you pick to be the first, upon releasing the initial version of your app, you'll immediately start working on an update to it. Every app needs polish.

At some point you'll feel confident that the app is polished and stable enough and you'll venture to support the other major platform. This takes a considerable time investment. When you eventually reach parity (that's actually IF you reach parity), you'll split your time polishing and evolving both versions of your app.

Dividing your time in 3 just isn't cost effective, even more so when you consider the abysmal marketshare of the 3rd option. You'll always have a better return on your time investment if you polish and evolve your current app on the major platforms.

RE: Why
By GotThumbs on 5/8/2014 9:53:17 AM , Rating: 2
I'm thinking you have different consumer interests depending on what phone OS the consumer has.

As far as REAL productivity APPS, I think all 3 markets have those. It's the junk APPs that are created to entertain the Adult children that allow Apple to claim "Most Apps" IMO.

Any REAL productivity APPs worth their salt are probably already available in all 3 markets.

Just my thoughts.

All I REALLY need is a phone that makes calls and a realistic phone bill (Talk, Text and Data for $30.00\Mo w/no contract). I have to laugh at people who pay higher cell bills, because I have exactly the same functionality they do. "A fool and his/her money....".

The added functionality (Camera, Google Maps and email) is a bonus IMO.

In the end, to each his own.

RE: Why
By retrospooty on 5/7/2014 11:11:08 AM , Rating: 2
It's not something that most people look at when deciding which phone to buy... It's a measure of what is being sold and how many users issues regarding it affects. This affects app developers to a huge degree. Other than that it's just a measurement. The is a tech news site, what other measure would they use to show sales in relation to the market size?

RE: Why
By tayb on 5/7/2014 11:19:34 AM , Rating: 1
Dick measuring and validating their own buying decisions.

"Developers" will chime in and say that market share determines which platform they build on but that's complete crap. Market share numbers are meaningless, the only metrics of value are app store revenue, app downloads, and usage statistics.

Sites report on it because fanboys love to talk about it.

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why
By Labotomizer on 5/7/2014 12:38:14 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I think it's well known I'm a WP fan. But I would agree that the real problem with WP is the slow pace of updates when you're starting behind the competition. App support and even market share would be better if it were moving along at a better rate.

RE: Why
By dgingerich on 5/7/2014 2:06:10 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone's "glacially slow upgrade schedule" is because they're actually being careful from the design phase all the way to the release phase. I'd rather have something that was well designed and carefully tested before release instead of something that was slapped together and sent out the door without hardly any testing. I've had enough of that with Linux here at work.

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why
By dgingerich on 5/7/2014 3:25:28 PM , Rating: 2
I work for a company that makes software and puts it on very specific hardware before selling them both as a single product. The hardware manufacturer assembles the hardware and puts our software on it to deliver customer orders. This is enterprise level software and server hardware, so it is mildly different, but we don't have many platforms to cover.

I am a test lab admin here. I know what bugs we run into and how they affect things. The problems that come up have far less to do with the hardware on which they reside. The bugs are far more frequently when a feature doesn't work quite right. For example, when the virtual tape drive software corrupts data as it is being written, or the deduplication routine decides not to dedup the data, or when the storage expansion routine corrupts the configuration and hangs the machine. I know what good testing is. I also know that patching those bugs isn't necessarily having enough resources to write the patch. Most often, it is one person's code that went wrong, and that person has to fix that code, not a whole team. I doubt MS is all that different in that area. It's hard to get multiple people working on one 50 line function.

I know that our customers are more pleased with software that works, or at least mostly works, before it is delivered rather than software that gets patched quickly after a problem has been identified. (proactive vs reactive. It's a business/professional thing.) I also happen to know that those people who deal with our products are the same type of people who deal with smartphones.

RE: Why
By Scrogneugneu on 5/7/2014 6:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
If Microsoft can't hire programmer teams that won't send seriously flawed software into final testing, prompting hours of lost time, then the problem is not the industry but the company. When a dev team produces some code, it's their responsability to make sure it passes the basic requirements and doesn't break anything major in the process.

Either their programmers can't do their job properly, or the workflow organization is horrible. Knowing Microsoft, I'd wager on the second option. I'm pretty sure they're still using waterfall as a development technique, which can be devastating in a rapidly evolving market.

RE: Why
By nikon133 on 5/7/2014 5:43:22 PM , Rating: 2
I've read somewhere that Microsoft shifted from 18 to 12 months development cycle for Windows Phone, and they are releasing GDRs (service packs) in the meantime; I think they caught up on development pace quite well.

RE: Why
By Argon18 on 5/7/2014 12:29:06 PM , Rating: 3
"Just wondering why people care about the percent of market share that a smart phone has?
When I buy a PC I don't look into the market share that the company has. When I buy a TV, I don't look into the market share that the company has. When I buy a car, I don't look into the market share of the car makers."

It matters for a number of reasons. A phone is unlike the other products you mentioned.

1. Cell phones are cheap and disposable. Most folks replace them every 2 years (or less). Market share matters because people like familiar names and familiar brands. People know what they're getting when they eat at McDonalds. If you opened up a restaurant called McAhmed's and served all the exact same foods at the same prices, people would still choose McDonalds because it's a known quantity and you are not. Same with other products like phones.

2. Phones have a software ecosystem that you are buying into. Apple and Android both have robust ecosystems with all the AAA app titles. Microsoft doesn't. Market share matters because people don't want to buy into a small or dying ecosystem that probably doesn't have all the apps they want.

3. Image matters. People see Apple and Samsung devices as trendy and cool. On the other hand, people see Microsoft branded devices and they think of their clunky crashy old PC, or of dull spreadsheets and powerpoint presentations. Even if a Microsoft phone were a good product, it has the image of being a clunky unreliable one. The fact that all reviews identify them as cheapo crap phones isn't helping.

4. Timing matters. Apple was first to make a consumer oriented smart phone. The only other options at the time were Symbian, Palm, and Blackberry, all targeting business customers. Android was the first to challenge the Apple phone dominance, and has proven itself as a strong Apple alternative. Microsoft is so late to the party, it has missed all the fun. Consumers have no compelling reason to choose the copycat me-too product from Microsoft when more robust and mature offerings are available with iOS and Android.

RE: Why
By retrospooty on 5/7/2014 1:05:20 PM , Rating: 2
Wow... a 4 point Argon18 post and I agree with all 4 of them... Not only that, they were very well said.

See, when you aren't pointlessly and aggressively bashing MS you can make alot of sense.

Also - McDonalds v McAhmed's LOL

RE: Why
By kleinma on 5/7/2014 2:07:03 PM , Rating: 3
except for the reviews he mentions. While I don't doubt there are some reviews that are not kind to the platform, most reviews I read for windows phone devices are actually quite good, with the lowest marks coming on ecosystem.

I have Verizon, so I can't get a 1k series nokia, but I have a 928 (running 8.1 through the developer program) and it is really nice. Cortana works well, the notification area sorely missing from previous versions works well. Nokia apps add a lot of value, and over all else, the thing takes amazing pictures, and the 928 isn't even the best nokia camera out there. I carry a CM rommed S3 as well, which I use for things my Windows phone doesn't have (like google maps navigation), but I would never dare take a picture with it, it is total crap next to the nokia.

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why
By atechfan on 5/7/2014 2:52:24 PM , Rating: 3
And you say I am a hater? You have any evidence to back up this wild conspiracy theory of yours? Or are you just lashing out because, despite your constant claims that no one buys Windows Phone, sales have more than doubled since same time last year?

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why
By Labotomizer on 5/7/2014 4:11:25 PM , Rating: 3
So some bribes in China, some project placement and sending out laptops to reviewers for "covering tech in general". And the bribes don't sound like all that much and it's just being investigated. Nothing conclusive at this point.

AnandTech gave WP really good reviews. Are you saying they're taking money from MS to write a good review? Engadget, the Verge, and lots of other places have too.

Are you worried that Google will catch you saying something positive about Microsoft while they scan everything you write on here?

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why
By nikon133 on 5/7/2014 5:52:00 PM , Rating: 2
How do you take Samsung and HTC reviews, considering this:

RE: Why
By atechfan on 5/7/2014 6:09:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not asking for evidence that they paid for good reviews. Hard to find a company that hasn't. I'm asking for evidence to back up your ludicrous allegations that investigations into MS go away because of CIA and NSA connections. The simple fact you listed convictions shows that your allegations that MS can make charges disappear is pulled out of your ass.

There is far more evidence of Google having inside people at the government, since every time they get convicted of something, they get off with promising "We'll change, we really mean it this time." whereas MS gets hit with big fines when they do wrong.

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why
By jnemesh on 5/8/2014 12:48:21 PM , Rating: 1
Not sure why you get downvotes for posting facts. Haters gonna hate.

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/8/2014 2:49:22 PM , Rating: 2
This place is a wretched hive of scum and villainy and Microsoft pole smokers, that's why.

You even had people coming here claiming Windows 8 was fine when it first came out. I mean come on.

RE: Why
By nikon133 on 5/7/2014 5:49:49 PM , Rating: 5
Lumia 920 was Endgadget's readers phone of the year back when released... I guess MS did a lot of bribing around ;)

On the other hand, Samsung's rock-solid morality, especially benchmarks honesty are a real role model. And Google simply do no evil, after all they said so themselves ;)

RE: Why
By atechfan on 5/7/2014 6:26:39 PM , Rating: 2
So you are showing me links that MS paid people to say nice things about their products on Youtube or gave reviewers laptops? The horror!

Ok, non of this has anything to do with the supposed connection to the government. But I can definitely do better than that connecting Google to Obama.

RE: Why
By atechfan on 5/7/2014 6:38:01 PM , Rating: 3
Oh, almost forgot this one, showing a pretty cozy relationship between Google and the NSA.

RE: Why
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why
By nikon133 on 5/7/2014 5:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
As long as Samsung and others are squeaky clean, I think you have point there. /s

RE: Why
By nikon133 on 5/7/2014 5:34:25 PM , Rating: 2
Good post, but I don't agree with you completely.

If customers consider smartphones cheap and disposable, MS would be right at home if they do command image you give them (crappy, cheap). On the other hand, no one would be buying premium made (and priced) iPhone. You don't want to pay for silk tissues just to blow your nose once and dispose of them, paper tissues are much more reasonable choice for the task, right?

McDonalds vs. McAchmeds. I think you are spot on here. This is probably why Nokia is doing so much better in some European countries - Nokia is household name there, while Apple is intruder from the new world - more Kardashian than Grimaldi.

Ecosystem - being WP user for the last 6 months, I think it is much better than majority thinks. I'm not missing any major app, and I do prefer some WP apps to their counterparts. When it comes to apps, I think most people don't know what to expect, rather than most people would not find what they want.

Timing, sure. MS was late to the show, hardly a secret. But if we ignore WP7 (which was dead-end, sort of), WP8 is growing well compared to iPhone and Androids when they were same age... and they were facing much less competition as well. Considering release date, I think WP is doing as good as possible.

RE: Why
By BZDTemp on 5/7/2014 12:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
When buying stuff that is either made to work with the biggest platform, like a PC, or running on a common platform like a car then market share doesn't matter initially. However that is a bit simplified because say the PC you bought happened to come have been build by a company that went bust, then you would be unhappy if you needed the warranty for some reason and had you gone for a company with a big market share then it going under would be less likely. Similar with the car where it will be also a question of spare part availability, after market parts, resale value and so on.
Bottom line is that market share is less significant if you're either buying from someone with a big market share by default or buying something where the base functionality is share by all and anything more than that is uninteresting to you.
So with phones then market share doesn't matter if you're just using the base functions found on all platforms, but if you want the most options with regards to accessories or apps then market share is certainly important.
Still market share is of course not telling the full story. Maybe one needs to look at market share in a specific segment, geographical area or in maybe based on specific function requirements. Say for instance you need NFC for something then anything from Apple is out right away or maybe you have a big iTunes library then it's only Apple that works...

RE: Why
By dgingerich on 5/7/2014 1:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
I am one of those who switched over to a Windows phone in the last quarter. The only thing I regret about this is that there aren't nearly enough apps and games for Windows than there are for Android or iPhone. I had to find a different kitchen timer app, and the Sudoku and Tower Defense games are rather sub-par for Windows Phone.

Still, it is a great platform, both secure and better performing. My old phone, an HTC One S, used the exact same Qualcomm processor, memory, and storage as my current Nokia Lumia 925, and the Lumia has far less lag. On top of that, it takes far, far better pictures, including better focused close ups and better low light pics. The differences in pics are astounding. I originally got rid of the One S because HTC chose to discontinue patches for it, but I found that the Lumia was a far, far better phone.

RE: Why
By sprockkets on 5/7/2014 2:32:06 PM , Rating: 2
If I can't get good support on a third party radio or accessories, I'd also consider not buying it.

Or, I'd figure a company like daewoo has a poor share of the market because they suck, and well, they did. That led to the loss of their dealer network, parts were hard to find, which drove up the cost of repairs while vastly depreciating the vehicle's value.

RE: Why
By CaedenV on 5/7/2014 2:44:50 PM , Rating: 2
People care a lot. A phone is not like an appliance that you plug in and it simply works. A phone (or at least the OS it runs on) has to be specifically developed for in order to bring the apps and features to the ecosystem. If people do not move to the ecosystem, then developers do not write for it. If developers do not write for the ecosystem, then people will buy into other ecosystems.

When it comes to buying other things like a TV then it does not matter what particular brand you purchase. Simply get the one that you like, and then you plug it into your bluray player or cable box for content. But for a phone (or computer) there is no passive 'plugging in' content. It is either supported or it isn't.

WP as a platform is pretty good. WP8.1 fills in a lot of the holes to bring it to parody with Android and iOS. And unlike Android and iOS, it looks like MS has a pretty clear roadmap of what they want to do with it going forward. But no matter how good the core OS gets, the general public will not care until their banks and favorite social media sites support the platform with native applications for the platform. Most of the people moving to WP are new smartphone users, because they are not invested in an ecosystem, or tied to specific apps yet. But once you have your set of apps that you use and love, then it becomes very difficult to move to a different platform that does not have them.

RE: Why
By kmmatney on 5/7/2014 6:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
Well - as an LG phone owner, I can tell you it sucks to have a much lower level of support for things like Cyanogen Mod, and other third party ROMs. I kind of wish I would have bought Samsung instead, but I'll go back to Apple if they can manage to have a bigger screen.

RE: Why
By retrospooty on 5/8/2014 8:18:55 AM , Rating: 2
I am kind of confused by that statement. I have an LG phone and I know that all of the higher end LG's have full support, all carrier versions. If you have an Optimus G, G2 or PRo its there. If you bought a low end phone they dont have them all, but the same is true for Samsung. GS2,3,4,5 Note, 2,3 all get it but the low end ones dont.

RE: Why
By Da W on 5/8/2014 6:49:19 AM , Rating: 2
Googles dominate the internet.
It can make sure all information putting them in good light is pushed foward to you.
Nough said.

RE: Why
By jnemesh on 5/8/2014 11:30:03 AM , Rating: 2
Because without significant market share, developers are not interested in making apps for the platform. Without the RIGHT apps, users are not interested in buying into Microsoft's ecosystem. MS has to, instead, BUY developers off to make their apps for Windows Phone. Snapchat is a perfect example of this. Other major app developers don't care to put in the effort no matter how much money MS is throwing around...they know a dead platform when they see it. Microsoft, however, is GREAT at beating dead horses, and continues to flog away.

RE: Why
By althaz on 5/8/2014 9:01:06 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't it interesting? I certainly think it is. Also, some people like to have the most popular thing.

I don't use it to make my purchasing decisions (I have a Nokia Windows Phone because for me it combines the best UX with the best hardware), but that doesn't make it worthless information.

Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 10:22:13 AM , Rating: 2
Feature & hardware parity are finally happening for WP8. The 8.1 update all but eliminates the disparity in regards to features. The next refresh brings the hardware up to par as well.

That being said, most people are entrenched in their respective ecosystems and very few will budge without a killer feature to sway them.

Ive had both android and WP7/8 phones. Im currently using a lumia 1020. The camera is what did it for me though I do wish the hardware was a bit snappier for camera duties, the constant firmware updates for the phone have cut the lag down considerably. 8.1 makes it a seem like a different phone all together.

I do hope they gain more traction because lets face it, Apple doesnt need to compete so it doesnt and google is dominating the crap out of everybody so the phones arent really pushing it on features as of late. WP8 as I said is just now coming to parity which has taken them an incredibly stupidly long time to do. Maybe if they become a real competitor we will start seeing the phone makers push the limits a bit more instead of treading water.

Offer me somthing with a killer feature that I want and ill jump ecosystems no prob.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2014 10:28:57 AM , Rating: 2
What huge feature that people need/want do existing phones not have? I have a Note 2 and I can't think of my phone needing to do any more.

By Ristogod on 5/7/2014 10:40:29 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Flunk on 5/7/2014 10:50:19 AM , Rating: 2
If anyone knew what that next killer feature was then someone would have it on the market. You can't see the future.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Labotomizer on 5/7/2014 11:06:50 AM , Rating: 5
People based reminders is a major, major function of WP8.1 for me. The fact that when I think of something I need to tell someone I can immediately set a reminder for the next time I communicate with them is awesome. At first I assumed it was more gimmick than useful feature but I was wrong. To me that's the killer feature of the WP8.1 platform.

You can also set nick names for people. I'm buying a house so I have "real estate agent" set for my agent. This morning on the way to work I realized I wanted to ask him about the water company in the area I'm buying my house. When he calls later today it will pop up and say "Ask him who to contact for water service".

Is it a killer feature for everyone? Probably not. But it is for me. At 6:45 this morning Cortana popped up and said "There's an accident on your normal commute, you should take this other route and leave by 6:55 in order to make it to work on time". I didn't program it to tell me that. I didn't even have to go to an app or widget to view that info. It popped up as an alert to tell me. Pretty awesome.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By dashrendar on 5/7/2014 12:27:53 PM , Rating: 2
Admit it... You made love to Cortana and then you called Tech Support but didn't know how to explain how you ruined your phone.

By Labotomizer on 5/7/2014 12:35:48 PM , Rating: 2
It is a circle...

By puter_geek_00 on 5/8/2014 1:27:42 PM , Rating: 2
Does she think she's holding a screwdriver in outer-space?

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Mint on 5/7/2014 11:40:06 AM , Rating: 2
I too have a Note 2 and feel no desire to upgrade. I even prefer the 720p AMOLED screen over 1080p LCD (and the Note 3's screen is barely any improvment).

If a Lumia came out with an inductive stylus, then I'd consider it, especially if also had a killer camera. But I'm not giving up my stylus no matter how good WP8 becomes.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Labotomizer on 5/7/2014 12:42:00 PM , Rating: 2
WP8.1 missed an opportunity to adopt the multi-app support of WindowsRT/8. If the core is the same then I can't imagine it would have been overly difficult to implement that much. Tie that in with an active stylus and the Lumia 1520 would have been a killer device. Right now it's a big phone with no stylus.

I didn't use the stylus much on my Note 3 so I don't mind not having it but I've always argued the advantage of a precision pointing device. I certainly wouldn't avoid a phone with one and it would be in the plus column for features.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 1:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
If MS is smart, and thats a BIG IF, they press Intel to get x86 into their phones. Then they can truly have one OS to rule them all. I do think it will eventually get there.

Active stylus for the 1520 would be awesome.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 1:56:42 PM , Rating: 2
Almost forgot, with the new update to WP8.1 and the updates coming to RT/8 developers will only have to code once and it will work for all. They do have that going forward.

By Labotomizer on 5/7/2014 4:12:54 PM , Rating: 2
That's a good feature. But a 6" phone should have the ability to run apps split screen. Web browser/Email shouldn't be a big deal on a 1520.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By OnyxNite on 5/7/2014 10:49:29 AM , Rating: 2
While I think MS is doing a good job of closing the gap in feature in hardware parity it only looks that way because they were so far behind. They will never really catch up given their current model because MS provides a list of supported hardware capabilities with ZERO room for OEMs to innovate. On Android OEMs can try new things pushing higher resolutions or new capabilities without having to get Google's blessing. This means Android will continue to innovate while MS will be simply copy what works.

As far as the app ecosystem goes Windows Phone is an utter failure but MS is going in the right direction with the upcoming "Universal Apps". They've repeatedly burned devs by releasing multiple incompatible (yet somewhat similar) APIs to get here though so it remains to be seen how enthusiastically devs will jump on yet another new API. Sure the old APIs still work but the new "universal apps" will be WindowsRT based (like Windows 8 "Metro" apps) instead of the Silverlight-like API they are now. Unifying Windows 8 "Metro" apps and Windows Phone apps is definitely the way to go though so the future looks bright long term but there is still some growing pains to go through to get there.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 2:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
With there current models, they're still a step behind. The ones about to be released will bring parity hardware wise. Of course this will be short lived. MS has loosened the grips on the hardware a bit and has ramped support for the high-end silicon. They know they cant keep towing the line of its efficient on lower powered hardware so it just doesnt need it. That may be the case but it doesnt sell phones.

The universal apps will help tremendously. While WP8 still gets the latest and greatest apps, they usually get them last. fortunately there's a pretty dedicated community that makes awesome 3rd party apps.

Yeah, they have some work ahead of them but if they keep pushing they can become a real competitor. Competition is always good for us the consumer.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
By dashrendar on 5/7/2014 12:30:30 PM , Rating: 2
Lag in Windows Phone world = buttery smooth in Android world.

I hope that clears up your confusion, Reclaimer77.

By themaster08 on 5/7/2014 2:04:41 PM , Rating: 3
I think he was referring to camera shutter lag, not general OS lag.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 2:11:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yes lag when taking 5MP + 34MP shots there is a bit of lag saving the pic. Te UI runs just fine and is very smooth. Some apps to tend to take a bit to get up and running sometimes. Some of it is the connection and some of it is it trying to load whatever teh hell i was doign before hand.

I have both Android and WP8 devices. I dont like Apple anything or RT, or the metro UI on desktops or laptops.

Im pretty open in my criticism unlike you there fan boy.

Pull you android dildo out of your butthole and relax, Im not bashing Android.



calm down.....


RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By retrospooty on 5/7/2014 2:24:55 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... There is an Android dildo? If that is the case it must be a smart dildo and can remove itself. o_O

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 2:44:40 PM , Rating: 3
Here you go lol

Yeah WP8 doesnt have that. So much for feature parity lolol

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By atechfan on 5/7/2014 2:57:27 PM , Rating: 3
You just ruined the battery life of the resident Google-philes.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 3:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer-Downloading NOW!

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/14, Rating: -1
RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 7:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
No wife but this is gonna be awkward since Im banging your mom...

By retrospooty on 5/7/2014 3:03:59 PM , Rating: 1

Now we know the root of the push for waterproof phones lately.

RE: Feature parity, hardware parity
By Manch on 5/7/2014 2:35:28 PM , Rating: 3
English is my only language, though I am trying to learn German and Albanian right now.

Ill have to say though your comment was very clever. I could not distinguish your satire from your normal WP8 bashing.

Dont be too upset about the dildo comment. As much as you name call on here I figured that's par for the course! Next time ill try to be less crude more degrading like you normally do. :D

Why they're not selling
By JamesHurst on 5/8/2014 4:13:36 AM , Rating: 2
I just walked into a Verizon store and asked to see their Windows Phones. I was told they didn't have any . Not in the store. I'd have to special-order one if that's what I wanted. But the walls were arrayed with a panoply of Androids and iPhones. That's the second one in a row.

Yeah, it's a big mystery as to why the Windows Phones having taken a bigger market-share yet.

Btw, of the three major platforms - I personally prefer Windows Phone. Just wish I could actually see one in person.

RE: Why they're not selling
By retrospooty on 5/8/2014 8:21:42 AM , Rating: 2
It's a cause and effect thing... No one was buying them so they took them out of stores. Not that that they werent there so no-one bought them. They were there for the better part of the past 2 years, not selling so they didnt keep them stocked.

RE: Why they're not selling
By Gunbuster on 5/9/2014 1:07:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah funny they had them in the store for the past two years. At the back next to a crusty old blackberry. Then they rewarded salespeople for selling android handsets. Hmmm I wonder what happened...

Must be because Windows Phone Sucks.

RE: Why they're not selling
By Reclaimer77 on 5/8/2014 9:44:50 AM , Rating: 1
I just walked into a Verizon store and asked to see their Windows Phones. I was told they didn't have any .


Oh man that's awesome. Yeah it's such a great platform, the largest carrier doesn't even have any on the shelves? Just..LMAO!!!

RE: Why they're not selling
By scbundy on 5/8/2014 10:53:52 AM , Rating: 1
Yup, carrier push is a huge issue. My wife just upgraded and wanted the phone with the best camera. So she went into the store and asked for the Nokia 1020. The lady behind the counter gave her an iPhone 5s. So she said, no, that's not the one I asked for. The lady said, the windows phones and android phones are too hard to use. This one is way better. It took my wife 10m of refusing before this woman finally gave her the device she asked for.

And they wonder why Canada is such a stronghold for Apple. They're practically forced on you.

And she loves the 1020.

RE: Why they're not selling
By retrospooty on 5/8/14, Rating: 0
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