Sources: IDC, Neowin
quote: 2k screens don't make sense on a 5"-6" screen especially when it costs battery life.
quote: people have a hard time understanding that they don't need to the OS is mature.
quote: QHD significantly reduced battery life on the LG G3 compared to the competition
quote: Look at Windows, and office. Both sucked rocks early on. Many years and many versions on, both are all that matters. IE, too, it started out horrible, then it dominated the market.
quote: I think if Windows Phone disappeared tomorrow, few people would notice and even less would care.
quote: Android is a completely free product in every way. It's also open source and CANNOT be controlled by Google or anyone else.
quote: The competition you are talking about, where a monopoly eventually leads to inflated prices and anti-consumer behavior
quote: Nice try, thanks for playing, but you are WAY off.
quote: When there is no more competition, who's going to stop Google from closing up its OS? You wouldn't be able to flash another AOSP ROM onto your Android device because at that point Google can dictate what you can and cannot do with it.
quote: What makes you think it will never happen with Google/Android?You cannot be this extremely myopic to not see the warning signs. They're all over the place.
quote: sprockkets wrote:You can be a monopoly all you want. You just can't abuse it like MS did every chance it got.
quote: Reclaimer77 wrote:That literally makes zero sense. It's not even POSSIBLE for Google to dictate that!
quote: Spuke wrote:He makes no sense at all. Some of these guys are delusional.
quote: Where abuses can occur, abuses do occur, in fact abuses have occurred.If you really think Google's Android can be a monopoly and not be harmful to everyone else, just watch.
quote: You wouldn't be able to flash another AOSP ROM onto your Android device because at that point Google can dictate what you can and cannot do with it.
quote: That literally makes zero sense. It's not even POSSIBLE for Google to dictate that!
quote: All of Google's API's are closed source. They keep removing open source functions from Android to make sure that they control what people want and can get. Not to mention if you want Gmail, Maps, Google Now, Hangouts, YouTube, and the Play Store, you must abide by Google's approved devices, you can not use a competing OS (forked Android), and you can not pick and choose which of the apps you want.
quote: Look what Google did to Acer, Samsung, and DroidX. Not exactly anti-competitive as you say.
quote: So much for open source.
quote: Aside from the play store all of those offerings are not tied to Android in any way whatsoever.
quote: They had that stipulation since day one, just as apple had theirs on their devices as far as restrictions go or the whole "bundling the browser" argument. They can't be tried for anti-competitive behavior since they did this before becoming a monopoly.If they don't like it, they are more than welcome to try forking. Amazon seems to be doing just fine.
quote: Open source only matters to a few people. All they care is that the ecosystem works. You won't find any other open source solution that comes close to Android that manages to balance control vs. openness and popularity.
quote: But no current manufacturer can release an Android product without them, except for one that I know of and that is Amazon.
quote: No they didn't have that stipulation sense day one. You obviously didn't read through the links I provided. There's also another 80,000 pages of documents that show Acer, Samsung, and Motorola trying to use a different gps solution, which Google shut down.
quote: The stipulation to use only Google API's if you want to release the phone is anti-competitive.You can't fork for the reasons I gave above, and Amazon isn't doing so well with their services because of the store stipulations Google is putting on developers.
quote: I agree, I was just showing that Google does control Android, develops it, and you can't just take Android and sell a phone without Google's clench on the whole ecosystem and approval. If you fork it, you are screwed because Google won't allow any of their services. It's all or nothing.
quote: You are wrong.
quote: On IE, they stopped trying and it sucks again now, but you get the point.
quote: Leave it to Microsoft to take a phose OS that few seem to want and then pattern their entire Windows OS, essentially cramming it down our throats (in the usual "we are microsoft and we know better than you do what you want" fashion) and then wonder why it is not selling.
quote: Google is starting to show signs of developing to solve problems for themselves rather than their customers.
quote: Also, as an Android user and fan, I don't like it being at 85% market share.
quote: It's a shame really. WP is far better than its market share dictates, and I am surprised to see it shrinking.
quote: You mentioned before you never used those apps, so you really don't know how much worse they got.
quote: Maps is a shell of its former self
quote: How about 4.4 hampering the ability to run apps of SD?
quote: What's wrong Mitch, ran out of other people's stuff to steal today?
quote: No you got busted here pal. I hope you enjoy this conversation, because you're going to see it a lot in the future.
quote: Time to move on let him run DT.
quote: Most of the time he is right so I guess everyone is wrong when he is rated 1.58 for comments?
quote: Seriously I don't get this. How can shuffling a few of their apps around be a "sign" of anything? Not to mention it was THEIR apps!! They can do what they want with them!!
quote: Why are we even talking about this anyway? I came here to kick Windows Phone while it was down, not to see you of all people go on some anti-Google speculative trip.With only 11% of the market, Apple screws over more people every day.
quote: Microsoft having a monopoly in years past was a very bad thing. Yet it's not so bad when it's Google doing it.
quote: Dood, under no circumstances is any company having an 85% marketshare good, even if it's what you use and love... Even as a Google fan and happy Android user, I don't want Android to have 85% of the market. All that does is take the pressure off of Google to innovate and release at a faster pace.
quote: I love how you think Android is even comparable to the Time Warner/Comcast thing.
quote: There's two words you BADLY need to look up. The first is "monopoly", because you're slinging it around where it doesn't apply. The second is "hypocrisy".
quote: I want Windows Phone to succeed, or fail, because of how good or bad of a product it is.
quote: It's great because essentially this confirms everything I've ever said about Windows Phone. All of my predictions have come true, all of my criticisms are now validated. People like Mitch and Atechfan can just suck it :P
quote: Don't pretend Android being a monopoly is impossible within our lifetimes.
quote: You could care less if Windows Phone dies tomorrow. In other words, you want LESS competition
quote: Be careful what you wish for.
quote: All that does is take the pressure off of Google to innovate and release at a faster pace.
quote: I cannot believe you're advocating monopolies being good for all of us.
quote: LOL what? The most used navigation app on the planet, the GOLD standard for the entire industry, is a "shell" of it's former self???
quote: Havent we been over this? G-Talk, latitude, and other functionality has been dumped and integrated into Google+ with far lesser functionality and convenience. Maps is a shell of its former self, Local is basically gone. You mentioned before you never used those apps, so you really don't know how much worse they got. How about 4.4 hampering the ability to run apps of SD?
quote: Yeah, you can get the PC client from oldversion.com not from Google. The current offering from Google is integrated with hangouts and not even 1/2 as functional. Cant even do decent group chats.
quote: Yes, that is the issue. What used to take 2 clicks in lat, now takes 8 in G+
quote: It does look better. Not easier to use, not easier to find anything and the loss of "Local" makes finding nearby restaurants or gas, or ATM (or whatever) much harder. I know it's still there, but no-where near as easy at o use as it used to be. Surely this isnt the first you have heard of this.
quote: Yes, KitKat made it near impossible to install apps directly to SD, so users with 16gb or less and SD are no longer able to save space by installing games atc direct to SD. Look that up.
quote: I didn't say it was. Not by any means. I did say I think its pretty good and its better than its 2.5% marketshare.
quote: Go start up a group chat and LMK.
quote: The current offering from Google is integrated with hangouts and not even 1/2 as functional. Cant even do decent group chats.
quote: Yes, KitKat made it near impossible to install apps directly to SD
quote: Keep in mind, I am not some anti android hater.
quote: Anything negative that is said and Google, Android, Samsung or any Samsung product is met with an immediate and aggressive deluge of strawman arguments and often insults from you. Even if coming from someone like me, that uses and LOVES Android and defends it here right along with you on a regular basis.Have you noticed how many different people here have stated something along the lines of "I know reclaimer will explode all over me for saying this but... I don't like this one thing [insert the comment] about [Google or Samsung].
quote: Oh looky here, it's Reclaimer77 bashing Windows Phone (again!) and subliminally cheering Google/Android in the same time!You're just too predictable, and your schtick is getting old.Just like how the other guy said, your day job is all about trolling for Google/Samsung. There is no other explanation.
quote: Believe me, if I had subliminal powers you would have killed yourself long ago.
quote: He doesn't say it out loud, but if you read between the lines, that's the message you get out of it.
quote: from day 1 you've shown me zero respect here
quote: You purposefully troll every post I make
quote: you constantly create Straw Man arguments and blow everything out of proportion
quote: If I put words in Reclaimer's mouth, I can then troll him for things he NEVER actually said.
quote: People die every day, why can't you be one of them?
quote: , issuing death threats against others just because they don't agree with you.
quote: He is? No, he isn't.
quote: And cut my losses and shut up? Who exactly are you again? Oh right, a nobody... You're being an idiot.
quote: Most just don't want to trust Microsoft.
quote: I've never used a Windows phone, so I'm assuming people don't like the tiles idea.
quote: I wouldn't call a desktop background "wasted space". It's visually appealing, customized, and unlike Metro doesn't cause horrible eye pains and headaches.
quote: It maximizes the use of space on a small screen. I look at the grid of icons on Android/iOS now and see a lot of wasted space between all the icons
quote: But that's really only a problem if you're borrowing a friend's phone, which almost never happens. If you're using your own phone, you should know approx where you put all your app tiles.
quote: Really how does RIM make money from Android?