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Update is available to Developers, also adds new security fixes, VPN support, SMS improvements, and more

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) launched Windows Phone 8.1 -- its latest and greatest smartphone platform -- in April.  The release brought a plethora of new features including the Swype-like Word Flow typing, virtual buttons (soft buttons), and the Cortana voice assistant.  Windows Phone 8.1 devices began shipping in May; most recently Microsoft launched the Nokia Lumia 530 (Rock), the successor to its best-selling Lumia 520.  Updates to older devices began to roll out in mid-July.

Looking to counter big money losses from its Nokia Devices unit, Microsoft has announced an upcoming update, Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1.  The update is available to Developers as a Preview release.

The update's highlights include:
  • Cortana
    • Improvements to U.S. build
      • "Impersonations" (funny feature)
      • Snooze times for reminders
      • Better natural language understanding
      • Invoke on on car hands-free via "Call Cortana"
      • Works for both in-car Bluetooth and Bluetooth headsets
    • Expansions outside of U.S.
    • Beta
      • China (first non-English language Cortana beta)
        • Nicknamed "Xiao Na"

          Cortana beta
           
        • Speaks Mandarin (voice/text/speech-recognition)
        • "different visual appearance, animations, and sounds"
        • Air quality (smog) alerts in Weather app
        • Local TV/music celebrities
        • English word lookup in Bing for education
      • UK
    • Alpha
      • Canada
      • Australia
      • India
         
  • Live Folders
    • Identical to similar app/widget "bins" in iOS/Android in basic functionality

      WP 8.1 update
       
    • To create drag one Live Tile on the homescreen over another
    • User can name or rename bins
    • Folder expands into full-size tile set when you click it

      WP 8.1 update
       
    • Bins will still act as Live Tiles with miniature animations
       
  • SMS bulk actions
    • Check box mode for deleting or forwarding multiple messages

      SMS in WP8.1U1
       
  • Apps corner
    • Sandboxing
    • Similar to Kids Corner

      Apps Corner
       
    • Weak/simple configuration-free device management tool
    • Allows untrusted users to only run certain apps
       
  • VPN support
    • Home
    • Wi-Fi
    • Part of several security improvements
       
  • Store Live Tile
    • Gives links to new games and apps

      WP 8.1 WP 8.1U1 tile for Store WP8.1U1
       
    • Updates stream when tile is pinned
    • Improves content "discoverability"
    • Updates every 6 hours so little impact on battery life
       
  • Xbox Music
    • Adds back features removed due to time constraints in original Windows Phone 8.1 bundle

      WP8.1U1 Xbox Music updates
       
    • Currently (re)added:
      • Decreased load times for third party affiliated apps
      • Smoother scrolling

        WP8.1U1
         
    • Current added (new):
      • Swipe to advance
      • Background syncing
    • Upcoming (possibly in finished release)
      • Kid corner (sandboxing) support for parents
      • Quickplay for recent playlist

This update will likely become available on new devices as soon as a month from now and as an update to existing devices by September or October, although those are unofficial estimates (as Microsoft has not published a rollout timeline).
 
Overall these new features seem to most impact Microsoft's growing success in budget-sensitive foreign markets -- India and China -- and its hopes for enterprise adoption.  Before Update 1, Windows Phone was a pretty weak candidate compared to Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iOS or Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android due to lack of VPN and other critical security features.  Now Microsoft is creeping close to those platforms in capabilities and with its discipline in keeping device prices low, it may see a substantial swell in enterprise adoption if it keeps up the good work.

Source: Microsoft [Windows blog]



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Updates mean nothing....
By Salisme on 7/30/2014 8:37:10 PM , Rating: 2
When the users can't use them.

Nokia Icon user here, was promised 8.1 months ago... Now you are updating the update that we were never updated with. Actually with cyan, they are updating the update that was updating the last update.... that we never got updated with.

Awesome. I feel like I'm back on my GNex waiting for Jelly Bean to get released on verizon. I guess I have to void my warranty to get my phone updated, again.




RE: Updates mean nothing....
By peterrushkin on 7/30/14, Rating: 0
RE: Updates mean nothing....
By themaster08 on 7/31/14, Rating: 0
RE: Updates mean nothing....
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/2014 12:09:32 PM , Rating: 3
It's a "carrier issue" with Android phones too. But that doesn't stop everyone from dragging out the same tired old "Android = no updates" trope every day here.

So when a Windows User isn't getting updates, we troll him and flame him down. But when someone says the same about Android, it's approved of and rated up to a 5.

Ooookay.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 3:21:40 PM , Rating: 2
So there's a Google Developer Preview program for every Android so you can install the updates as you please? No? Hmmm, okay.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By peterrushkin on 7/31/2014 12:58:00 PM , Rating: 2
Of course it is.

Nothing stopping Microsoft from putting pressure on the carriers to get the updates out there.

You know, not everyone reads this famed news site. Or the comments.

Not everyone knows its the carriers fault. They bought a Microsoft phone and when updates don't come down. Who do you think they blame? They bought a MICROSOFT phone. That's the first port of call.

You Idiot! See name calling can be fun! :)


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By themaster08 on 7/31/2014 5:05:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nothing stopping Microsoft from putting pressure on the carriers to get the updates out there.
Back on planet Earth, Windows Phone doesn't command the market share or influence for Microsoft to make such demands. Microsoft are at the mercy of the carriers, at least in the US. Carriers would simply refuse to support the platform.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By peterrushkin on 7/31/14, Rating: 0
RE: Updates mean nothing....
By themaster08 on 7/31/2014 5:39:47 PM , Rating: 2
Then why make such a ridiculous statement? Everyone knows that Windows Phone's market share pales in comparison to that of iOS and Android, it's just that many people who have actually used Windows Phone, instead of simply trolling a product they've never used, feel that the platform deserves a larger market presence.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By peterrushkin on 7/31/2014 11:48:43 PM , Rating: 2
Oh sorry. I wasn't agreeing 100% with what you said.

"Back on planet Earth, Windows Phone doesn't command the market share or influence for Microsoft to make such demands."

That's the extent that I agree with you. But still the AVERAGE user doesnt know this. They think because its a windows phone, Microsoft is the one liable.

I could write you an analogy where some joe six pack buys something and thinks the manufacturer is culpable for maintaining it, but anyhoo I really can't be bothered to explain.

Keep on thinking tho. That when people buy phones. They think its all the carriers fault!


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By themaster08 on 8/1/2014 1:43:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's the extent that I agree with you. But still the AVERAGE user doesnt know this. They think because its a windows phone, Microsoft is the one liable.

could write you an analogy where some joe six pack buys something and thinks the manufacturer is culpable for maintaining it, but anyhoo I really can't be bothered to explain.

Keep on thinking tho. That when people buy phones. They think its all the carriers fault!
Please state where I said, or even implied that the average person knows that this is a carrier problem. I am talking about REALITY, not perception. It is a similar issue which plagues Android.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By Labotomizer on 8/7/2014 4:54:54 PM , Rating: 2
The average user doesn't track OS updates either. On any platform.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By EricMartello on 8/1/2014 10:22:00 AM , Rating: 2
Imagine if MS pulled an Xbox-style maneuver with mobile phones, using their money to create a standards-based system for making completely custom phones. Let people buy or choose from individual components to design phones with exactly the features they want, often for less than the price of pre-built phone. This also means breaking the outdated carrier-supplied phone paradigm. Instead, carriers could offer phone rebates as gift cards or something that means people can use any phone they want on any carrier they choose.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By atechfan on 8/1/2014 11:02:35 AM , Rating: 2
How is making a customizable phone an X-Box style maneuver? Last I checked, you cannot build custom XBoxes. Other than that, this sounds similar to a project Google is already working on. Cool in concept, but not sure how it will fly in a carrier driven phone as a gadget market.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By EricMartello on 8/1/2014 2:08:38 PM , Rating: 3
Because MS basically bought their way into the console market with the Xbox and within a short time was a competitive force with more established players like Nintendo and Sony. Prior to that, MS had no "presence" in the consumer entertainment market...so even when Sony debuted the PS1, it did so by already being a familiar name in home electronics. The gaming console market has always been a touch nut to crack, many have tried and failed including companies that specialized in gaming.

The way I see it is MS is spending a lot of time and money trying to get a great mobile OS (Windows Phone arguably the best mobile OS out there) to "take off", but is failing due to carriers' being reluctant to spec out a top-of-the-line phone with that OS.

Unlike smaller companies, MS has the financial resources to absorb the initial losses that would come along with making a modular phone platform that runs windows mobile OS. They could then offer both hardware and software on their own terms, cutting carriers out of the picture entirely. They could even bank on growing their app store to generate revenue long term, offering some of the hardware at discount to lower the initial cost to consumer if carriers decide not to offer rebates.

This could really shake up the very complacent and outdated mobile communications market and allow for some much needed improvements that ultimately benefit the consumer.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By jimbo2779 on 7/31/2014 5:23:03 AM , Rating: 2
I'm on a 925 here and I got the update a week or two ago. It wasn't right as it was released but about a week later.

After seeing many other phones not get an update at all I was pleasantly surprised when my 1year+ old phone got the latest update.

I would say that you will get it when your service provider gets off their arse and OKs it for release, especially as you have a much newer and capable phone than my 925.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By Salisme on 7/31/2014 6:45:49 AM , Rating: 2
Verizon sucks with timely updates. From reddit, users in Europe have been using fully updated 929s for awhile.

I made the MS dev account to get the update off the market place but then the issues with firmware updates and having to re-wipe to get official updates stalled my willingness to do this on my own.


RE: Updates mean nothing....
By Avatar28 on 7/31/2014 10:04:10 AM , Rating: 2
That issue is being worked on. WPCentral had a post earlier (since deleted) that Joe Belifiore had tweeted that the fix for that issue should be available in a week or so (also since deleted). The only reason you have to downgrade right now is that MS found a niche issue where devices with bitlocker encryption enabled were bricking when they got the update. Rather than continue to risk bricking users' phones they halted the update for users who have the DP installed while they work on a fix.


hopeful
By mchentz on 7/30/2014 5:24:48 PM , Rating: 2
I hope my company goes to these phones I prefer them over others as I really like the interface, but I am slowly warming up to the S5. One phone does not make me a fan of the android platform though.




RE: hopeful
By Mitch101 on 7/30/2014 6:03:59 PM , Rating: 3
They are finally targeting the enterprise and I have to think 8.1 is what they needed to finally say they are ready to do so.

Microsoft Windows 8.1 Update Targets Enterprise Mobility, Security
http://www.eweek.com/mobile/microsoft-windows-8.1-...


RE: hopeful
By chmilz on 7/30/2014 7:04:56 PM , Rating: 2
I'll likely switch back to WP once there's a new flagship Nokia handset with a killer camera. WP8.1 is simply too good, and I truly can't wait to rid myself of Google's forced integration, although MS likely isn't far behind.


RE: hopeful
By Dobo on 7/30/2014 7:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
Hi 5 man, my company uses a phone with dead folders. Can't wait to get alive ones. ;)


RE: hopeful
By DieselComputer on 7/30/2014 7:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
My company has a "BYOD" (bring your own device) option, or you can choose a company provided phone.

I chose a company provided phone when I started and they were all Blackberry's.
Recently they dropped Blackberry and gave us the choice of an iPhone or Windows Phone.
Apple is a huge no for me, so I got a Nokia Lumia 925.

Cool phone, I like it a bunch. I use it strictly for email and phone only though, those are the only 2 tiles on my home screen! No texting, no social media, no music, no apps.
My other personal phone is Android.


Lmao
By Argon18 on 7/31/14, Rating: -1
RE: Lmao
By ritualm on 7/31/2014 7:14:06 PM , Rating: 4
I'm drunk irl and I have no freaking clue what you're mumbling about, so I took some liberties in rewording your post:
quote:
I farted. Plz ignore.

Ahhhh. Much better.


Windows phone has a long ways to go
By abzillah on 7/31/14, Rating: -1
RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By CyCl0n3 on 7/31/2014 6:50:34 AM , Rating: 5
This must be one of the worst comparison comments i have seen in a while.
No offense but the comparison is so out of line...
1) You bought a Phone in the mid range class ~ 150€

2)
quote:
I mainly use google maps

-> You bought a Nokia / Microsoft Device not Google, there is an App for that -> Here Maps (offline Naviagtion)

3)
quote:
The Nokia 635 didn't have dropbox

There are Apps for that -> e.g. CloudSix (its the first app which comes up when you type "dropbox" into the store.
BTW you also get 15 GB of free SkyDrive with your Windows Phone, which is perfectly integrated into the Phone.

4) Care to explain why you couldnt put a Playlist on your Phone?
-> Again its a Windows Phone try Windows-Media-Player or Windows Phone App, works perfectly fine.

5)
quote:
the camera sucked
-> its a mid-range Phone, if u want a decent camera, you have to pay more than that e.g. Lumia 925, 1020 for example.

6)
quote:
no firefox

??? What for?

7)
quote:
I'm sorry Microsoft, I tried your product...
No you didnt. U decided to buy a more expensive Phone (~250€) without even propperly trying with the other phone. ... Goood Job.

I dont really care which phone people use, but the statement that a Phone doesnt have this and that feature or app , meanwhile its incorrect is, and its only due to the lack of flexibilty of the user, is really starting to annoy me.

Of course all phone manufacturers have different approaches and different apps for the given task, but the minimum amount of energy people should invest is, inform yourself about the Phone/OS you are trying to use.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By BPB on 7/31/2014 7:48:52 AM , Rating: 2
1) The phone was on sale at HSN (I think) for $120 recently, so it is a lower end phone. I wouldn't even call it midrange.

2) I have a 920 and still like it, but if he uses Google Maps on the PC and is a Google fan, then I can see why he'd want it on his phone. Still, HERE Maps is great. Oh, Google Maps has offline mode too.

3) I have no problem with 3rd party apps, but some people want the real deal, you can't fault them for that. There's no app for my bank, which I find very annoying.

4) I don't know about your phone, but my Windows Phone doesn't let me create playlists, or at least manage them easily on the phone itself. I use my PC and load it to my phone. I find that a pain. I could easily make/manage playlists on my Android phone.

5) Many are surprised the camera isn't a bit better on the 635 since Windows Phone tries to market itself as the best platform for cell phone cameras.

6) If he uses Firefox on the desktop and has his bookmarks and such synced then that is a bummer. Can't fault him for that either. I like IE11, but I can see why others prefer different browsers.

In the end much of what he says is valid. He tried it, knew his likes and dislikes well enough to know it was the wrong platform, and then he dropped it. Sometimes you know quickly that an item won't make you happy, it doesn't always take that much time. He could have tried a higher end Windows Phone, but that would have pretty much only gotten him a better camera.


By iPuzr on 7/31/2014 8:13:47 AM , Rating: 2
1) Your right on that point. He shot a bit "high", its more a low end phone.

2) I thought Google Maps only has partial offline Navigation, not free Worldwide?

3) I always keep my bank account far away from the mobile leeching companys, the thought somehow gives me the creepsm, but shouldnt Starmoney work?

4)He said he couldnt add a playlist ONTO the phone, not manage on the Phone, but nevertheless your right with that feature.

5) Ive never seen any WP or Microsoft marketing / comerical that states that a camera from their low-end (now that we have agreed on that ;)) is better then others. That would be hardly managable on that budget afterall.

6) Im pretty sur you can sync your PC Bookmarks to WP somehow...
And on a Mobile Phone, i cant see many other reasons to use a different browser than the one "that works best".

You are of course right with the statement that he can dislike the platform and make a decision quickly. But then he shouldnt claim that its not possibly just because he didnt give it a reasonable try.

Greetz


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 9:03:52 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to leave off the numbers because lists are the devil...

The 635 was built to be low end, the S4 was high end just older. There is a difference between a former flagship and a device built for the low end. One good comparison is the lack of support moving forward. I don't see any new OS revisions being released for the S4 where we know they will for the 635.

GMaps Pro is actually really good if you insist on Google Maps. And Google Maps offline mode is awful compared to HERE. You can download entire states/countries in HERE. The way you do it on Google Maps is clunky at best.

CloudSix is made by Rudy Huyn. Anything made by him is excellent. But you're right, no official app. OneDrive, Box and Syncplicity (EMC) have good clients though. And I'd argue all three are better than DropBox anyway.

The ability to manage and create playlists was added in the new Music app with WP8.1 and subsequent updates to the stand alone app. Considering the phone he tried shipped with WP8.1, he's clearly not being honest here when he says he couldn't do it.

The 635 doesn't use a PureView camera. The higher end Nokia devices have amazing cameras but they're all labeled as PureView. The S4 and 635 are likely a wash here. Older tech vs newer, lower end camera tech. Nokia does have excellent camera algorithms though.

Firefox... Well, that's about the only truly valid complaint I've seen so far. And that's fine. IE11 does support bookmark sync, tab state sync and all those other nifty features. But browsers are a personal preference. I'm sure there's a plugin that will sync that data to IE, which will then sync to the phone.

Ultimately the guy who wrote this didn't really try as you can see from some of the false claims he made. But, some prefer Android and that's perfectly fine. There's just no reason to make false statements to justify a switch to Android.

As for paying a $50 restocking fee, I paid almost $400 to get off my Note 3 and back onto the Lumia Icon. So to each their own. That doesn't make WP better than Android. It just means I prefer it over Android and by a large margin.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By CyCl0n3 on 7/31/2014 9:38:51 AM , Rating: 2
That was exactly the point what i was trying to make! Thank you Labotomizer for additional clarification!


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By BPB on 7/31/2014 2:12:10 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't know about the playlist abilities in 8.1, that's great news. I really want to get a new Windows Phone this year, but it all depends on what MS releases in the next few months, and if any will support all T-Mobile bands. I'd love to get the ICON.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/14, Rating: 0
RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By BPB on 7/31/2014 3:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
You sir, are a liar! If you were literally dumbfounded you wouldn't have been able to type the post and submit it. Liar liar!


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/14, Rating: 0
RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By CyCl0n3 on 7/31/2014 1:06:54 PM , Rating: 2
Aaaannnnd here he comesssss, reclaimer defending his holy grail!

Dude we know you dont like WP/MS, the board is all over it... just go in another corner for a while.

We were merely correcting somebody who claimed that some features or apps are not availible on WP/MS. It has nothing to do with the other phone beeing Android so shhhh... chill down.
Android is still super duper cool!


By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/2014 1:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
How are you going to "correct" someone who had a horrible experience on Windows Phone by talking down to him and telling him he's wrong?

LOL okay, good luck.


By ritualm on 7/31/2014 1:59:28 PM , Rating: 3
Christ, Reclaimer77's posts are more difficult to read than tonyswash's.
quote:
That puts you squarely in the minority. Gee, I wonder why you don't agree with the OP?

If you bothered to even read OP carefully, you'd have realized a few things:

1) OP went from a yesteryear's high-end Android phone to today's budget WP8.x phone, while expecting no significant changes from the downgrade.

2) OP's complaints are unfounded:

- The 'offline' mode of Google Maps isn't truly offline. Only user-specified routes are cached, and if they venture OUTSIDE those routes, they're screwed - doubly screwed as data connections either don't exist or cost a fortune. True offline mapping apps i.e. CityMaps2Go and HERE Maps, are quite literally downloaded map data stored on the phone, not temporarily cached.

- Gmail? Set that up through the default mail app. Ditto calendar, calculator and camera.

- DropBox? Er, unofficial apps aren't an option? LOL! Also, MS has its own cloud storage service anyhow.

- NPR and NYTimes... just use the web browser.

- Firefox? It took them ages to bring out an Android version, much less WP8.

- Winamp? LOL... why are you still using that abandonware? Not to mention it wants to install adware and spyware alongside the main Windows-based app.

3) OP has unrealistically high expectations towards the 635, coming off a GS3, and those 'needs' could only be met by spending more money towards a dated GS4.
quote:
Stop being apologists.

I don't defend Google when they muck up. You do. Incessantly. Who's being the apologist now?
quote:
Nobody is using Windows Phone

The GS4 I bought last year is now relegated to the bedroom as a game console; my daily driver has moved to a Lumia 620. Meanwhile, I'm keeping my fingers crossed until the rumored 4.7" iPhone 6 shows up.
quote:
Nobody is using Windows Phone, so nobody is DEVELOPING for Windows Phone. That is a legitimate problem

Talking trash about Windows Phone when you're not using it... talk about pouring JP-8 fuel to this year's California forest fires.

OP's problem isn't that his 635 sucked, it's that he's switching to a different ecosystem without keeping his lofty expectations in check. In simpler terms, it's user error.


By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 3:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
Not once did I apologize. Not once did I troll anyone. My responses were well reasoned and logical replies. I didn't slander the person, I didn't even slander Android, Google or anything else. I countered some very specific points. There is a world of difference.

I even said that WP was my preference and it was worth a lot more than $50 for me to switch back. That's me. But I honestly tried Android and have praised it where I think it is due. And perhaps the Note 3 running Samsung's bloat wasn't the ideal experience but, at the time, it was the highest end Android out there. 3 GB of memory and a Snapdragon 800 should not be able to be constrained by bloat.

Every legitimate point someone makes either in favor of Windows Phone/Windows 8 or against Google you come on here like some sort of raving lunatic, calling everyone a fanboy or apologist or troll. You really should have a look in the mirror. You defend Google as stoutly as any I have ever seen defend Apple.

I will counter points I disagree with. I will call out what is apparent BS. Also, T-Mobile doesn't charge a restocking fee for two weeks anymore. Making his comment about purchasing a 635 yesterday and having to pay the restocking fee (which when they had it was $35) complete and utter crap. But good job defending someone who was CLEARLY lying.

So now who's the troll, fanboy and apologist?


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/14, Rating: -1
RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By themaster08 on 7/31/2014 2:23:55 PM , Rating: 3
Except the OP never complained of slow performance with their Windows Phone, which completely nullifies your ridiculous comment.

Troll better next time.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/2014 2:35:53 PM , Rating: 1
I never said he did. Other's are claiming that you can't compare that Lumia to a Galaxy S4, even though the Lumia's performance was NEVER one of his complaints. It was more apps than anything.

Soooo, okay, troll better?


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 2:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
It was camera, which it's a low end device. Although I think that was an exaggeration. And he's comparing a budget phone to a year old flagship. It's really not that same.

He also didn't even have the phone for a full day. You really can't make a judgement that fast.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/14, Rating: -1
By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 3:24:48 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't praised anyone. I didn't spend two months with a Note 3 because I wrote it off right away, despite some things I didn't like from day one. I didn't even think two weeks was enough time to properly judge.

And people have said that budge Windows Phones RUN better. And they do. Nothing said here has changed that. There are advantages to controlling the hardware ecosystem and mandating that carrier and OEM apps must be able to be removed.


By themaster08 on 7/31/2014 3:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But the standard rhetoric here is that budget Windows Phones are "better" than Android flagships in every way. I've seen people say that here a hundred times!!
Proof please, drama queen.


By Totally on 8/1/2014 4:03:48 AM , Rating: 2
Do you enjoy being an idiot when people talk about a phone OS you don't like?

The first quote is referring software. The subject of the second is hardware.

Edited those statements to highlight how silly you are being.

quote:
" Linux runs smoother and faster even on low-end hardware than ANY version of Vista ever has. Vista needs tons of power just to be usable!"


quote:
"Wait up, you can't compare an emachines to the Mac Pro . That's a workstation !!"


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/14, Rating: -1
RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By ritualm on 7/31/2014 2:26:18 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I have to wonder if you people don't understand that you aren't helping Windows Phone grow if you can't take constructive criticism.

There is nothing constructive in OP's post, reposted below:
quote:
I have been running droid for a while, from Moto-x, to LG, and to S3 recently.
Yesterday I left sprint and jumped to T-mobile, and got myself the new Nokia Lumia 635, and it was crippled. I don't use many apps, and I don't game on my phone. I mainly use google maps, Gmail, dropbox, NPR, NYTimes, calendar, calculator, camera to take photos while mountain biking, and winamp for music. The Nokia 635 didn't have dropbox, couldn't add a playlist onto the phone, the camera sucked, no google maps, no firefox.

I couldn't take it anymore, so I returned it and lost $50 for restocking fee and got myself a Samsung S4. I have a big smile on my face now.

I'm sorry Microsoft, I tried your product and I'm not impressed. The hardware was perfect, but the software really was lacking.

Moto X is a high-priced midrange flagship.
Don't know which LG phone OP had.
GS3 is yesteryear's flagship - these days it's closer to the budget end of midrange.
Lumia 635 is WP8's current budget phone.
GS4 is last year's flagship.

OP didn't merely switch phones. He switched to a different ecosystem. His expectations did not change. OP's usage experience of the budget phone did not match his lofty expectations - critical user error - so he waxed all negative about it.

I'm only going to say this: OP f'ed up.
quote:
The OP is repeating the experience of MILLIONS of people's testimonies who've given Windows Phone a try.

"Where are all the apps that my other phone had?"

Straight outta a smartphone salesman's handbook, with less than zero originality.
quote:
Hey Captain Fanboi, even the iPhone can run Google Apps and Google Now. Why can't Windows Phone?

Funny, because I don't need any Google app to access any services offered by Mountain View. No Hangouts on WP8? No big deal, use the web browser!
quote:
We're not talking Angry Birds here, Dropbox is a pretty big one. You can't seriously expect people to NOT call out the lack of an official Dropbox app for Windows Phone!

No official support means jack squat. There's always a workaround. None? Then make one.
quote:
How dare people have expectations and think Microsoft would have a competitive platform by now!! They should just use ALL Microsoft apps and be happy, right?

Not only did you miss the context, you also conveniently overlooked the plain fact that OP's expectations are too high.

Learn to read.


By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 2:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
And I'll just throw this out there... CloudSix, the 3rd party DropBox app, has a higher rating on the WP Store than the official Dropbox app on Android or iOS.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Just Tom on 7/31/2014 3:17:48 PM , Rating: 3
Here's my problem with the OP's post. He has an account on a tech site, it is pretty common knowledge that there is no Firefox or 1st party app for Dropbox on the platform. The specs are out there for the 635. Yet somehow he was surprised by the fact the camera was low quality and there was a lack of apps he thought essential. I have 2 thoughts:
1. He is such a poor consumer that despite belonging to a tech site these topics are discussed ad nauseum he did not do the most basic of research to determine if the 635 would satisfy his needs; or
2. He is lying and he never bought a 635 at all.

quote:
The OP is repeating the experience of MILLIONS of people's testimonies who've given Windows Phone a try.

Really, millions? Hyperbole much.

I agree with you that the lack of apps hurts WP severely. And its position as a distant third does little to encourage development. Personally, the lack of apps for my local bank is a major issue with me.


By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 3:28:16 PM , Rating: 2
Apps for local institutions is a major issue. Games can also be a problem. I can certainly see wanting to have your bank's app on your phone. My bank has it, and has for a very long time, so it hasn't been an issue. But that would certainly be a major road block. And you're not going to trust/use a 3rd party bank app.


By iPuzr on 7/31/2014 7:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
So basically you´re saying that your new gen 99$ Phone was not as usable/good as your 300$ new (older gen) Phone?


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By marvdmartian on 7/31/2014 7:35:38 AM , Rating: 3
I took one look at the photo of the "bin" set-up, and immediately thought it looked like some people's computer desktops, with 10,000 shortcuts.....only messier!

Sorry, but I'm not impressed with the graphics they're offering on Windows phones. Best word I can use to describe them would be "discombobulated".


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By themaster08 on 7/31/2014 8:57:56 AM , Rating: 3
The Start Screen can be as organized, or as disorganized as you like, with as many, or as few tiles as you want. You can have zero tiles and simply use the App list if you hate the Start Screen so much. If you remove all of the tiles the Start Screen won't display at all, you will just see an app list.

Why do people find that so hard to understand?


By CyCl0n3 on 7/31/2014 9:41:49 AM , Rating: 3
...because they never tried a Windows Phone before?

What they fail to understand is, that reading about a phone or OS /= trying to actually use a phone.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/14, Rating: -1
RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By iPuzr on 7/31/2014 1:22:41 PM , Rating: 3
That maybe your opinion.
And maybe you should understand that people have different opinions about that too mh?

And i really dont care how many people prefere what.
A lot of people prefer Audi over Mercedes, your point??
Its a question of taste!

But i have to agree with Cycl0n3 here:

What the above poster said is not about taste he was stating wrong facts (maybe not willingly) about lack of Apps or functions. And he was now corrected.

And neither do i get why your bashing all the people here with different opinions, nobody even attacked you or android or iphone.

Kind regards.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/14, Rating: -1
By testbug00 on 8/1/2014 12:14:18 PM , Rating: 3
The issue is not that he disliked Windows Phone.

The issue is that some things he says are clearly untrue:
"couldn't add a playlist onto the phone" (635 is 8.1 the music player can create playlists on phone, WP app on desktop can sync playlists)
Along with "Nokia 635 didn't have dropbox" which, well, is hard to say if it is untrue or not, did he mean no dropbox at all, or, no official dropbox?

Than, he has multiple phones, and an account on a tech site, I Would imagine this kind of person would understand the basics of each platform or do some research. If he was just buying a lowend phone as a lowend phone buyer, I would give that a complete pass. However, he also owned MULTIPLE "flagship" phones indicating he bought/expected flagship hardware.

Is it true that WP does not have Google services, yes. Is it also true that this is because Google refuses to make them, or, allow others to make ways to support them? Yes.

I would argue that from a user interface and smoothness debate, low range Windows Phone feels just as smooth as any Android device, if not smoother, the vast majority of the time.

I would also say that hardware on Android flagship devices is typically FAR better than any hardware on a budget WP8 device.

I use WP. I had many of the same criticisms that you do before I tried it. I though it was an aweful OS. But, I am someone who puts pride in trying things before I form a full opinion on them. So, I put my money where my mouth was and bought a 920 on sale for around $300.

I currently own: iPhone 4, some Cheapo LG ($60 or something), 920, Moto G, 1020, 1520, nook HD+ and am planning on getting a z10 soon.

Of the 3 platforms I have tried, Windows Phone is the one I enjoy the most. I do use the Moto G pretty often, however :)


By arazok on 7/31/2014 1:53:31 PM , Rating: 2
I’m a WP user, and I think your onto something with the tiles. I personally really like them, but I always felt the solid color blocks organized in (seemingly) random places threw off a lot of people who might have otherwise considered it.

It looks cheezy at first glance, and I think that’s as far as many people go when assessing what phone to purchase.

But with WP8.1 and the transparent tiles (not shown in this articles pic), I feel like this problem is gone. The see through tiles look downright slick with the right background pic, and the way it scrolls the pic behind the tiles is a great effect. Microsoft needs to scrub their marketing material and get those new tiles showing in every pic they put out.


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By themaster08 on 7/31/2014 3:40:26 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Because it VISUALLY looks like a disorganized messy pile of random sh*t.
It is as organised as you make it. YOU control what tiles display on the Start screen.

It might look like a "disorganised pile of sh*t" to you, but to another person, it is how THEY have set their Start screen to look. You customise the Start screen to look however you like.

I can make the home screens on my Moto G look like a disorganised pile of sh*t too, full of widgets, shortcuts, contacts, and other crap. How is that any different to the Start screen?


RE: Windows phone has a long ways to go
By Labotomizer on 7/31/2014 6:02:27 PM , Rating: 2
The new WP8.1 background helps but it doesn't bother me that people don't like the visual style. I don't understand why people think that the basic interface should never change but that's okay. It's completely subjective. If someone doesn't like the way the tiles look there's nothing you can do to dissuade them. It's a personal preference.

I've always like it.


By themaster08 on 8/1/2014 1:51:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If someone doesn't like the way the tiles look there's nothing you can do to dissuade them. It's a personal preference.
I can appreciate people that don't like the way that tiles look, that's fine. However, what isn't find is falsely claiming it is a mess, when in fact, it's completely customisable. It's like me saying that Android is a mess because I have a bunch of crap on my homescreens.


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