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Nokia Lumia 710
Nokia officially announces its first two Windows Phone 7.5 devices

Eight months after Microsoft and Nokia announced that they would be joining forces in the smartphone market, the first two Windows Phone 7.5 devices from Nokia will start to saunter into the marketplace later this year in select markets.
I. Lumia 810 will tackle the high-end
When it comes to doing battle with the latest high-end smartphones running Android and iOS, Nokia is offering up its new Lumia 800. The hardware specs won't impress anyone from the Android camp, as the Lumia 800 features a 3.7" AMOLED ClearBlack curved display (800x480), a single-core, 1.4GHz Qualcomm processor, and just 16GB of internal memory (there's no microSD slot for expansion, although Nokia does provide 25GB of free SkyDrive access).
The Lumia 800 may not feature a dual-core processor, but Microsoft says that such firepower isn't needed for the Windows Phone 7.x platform… for now. "They're all single core, but I suspect that they will be faster in usage than any dual-core phone that you put against it, and that’s the point," said Windows Phone chief Andy Lees in an interview with AllThingsD earlier this month.

Nokia smartphones have been known in the past for their excellent cameras, and the Lumia 800 is no exception. The smartphone offers up an 8MP rear camera with an f/2.2 aperture and Carl Zeiss optics.
And for those of you familiar with Nokia's N9, the sleek shape of the Lumia 800 should be instantly recognizable. The Lumia 800 is constructed of a single piece of polycarbonate plastic and features a curved Gorilla glass display. It is, however, a bit on the chunky side at 12.1mm thick and weighs 5 ounces.
Nokia says that the Lumia 800 is good for 9.5 hours of 3G talk time, 55 hours of music playback, and 7 hours of video playback.

The Lumia 800 (available in Cyan, Black, and Magenta) will have a retail price of around $535 USD and will be released in Europe in November, and in Asia by the end of the year. There is no word on U.S. availability, but recent reports suggest that U.S. customers won't have access to the phone until next year.
II. Those on a budget can look at Nokia's Lumia 710
If the Lumia 800's $535 price tag is a tough pill to swallow, Nokia also announced the Lumia 710. The Lumia 710 features the same 1.4GHz processor as its more sophisticated brother, but includes a 5MP camera and lacks the AMOLED display. The smartphone also only comes with 8GB of internal storage, but it unlike the Lumia 800, it includes a microSD slot for expansion. It will be available in black and white, but more colorful backplates will be available for purchase.
When it comes to battery life, the Lumia 710 is rated at 7.6 hours of 3G talk time, 38 hours of music playback, and 6 hours of video playback.

III. It's all in the software
Of course, both the Lumia 800 and 710 are running Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango". Nokia abandoned its own smartphones efforts with MeeGo and Symbian to embrace Microsoft's sleek mobile operating system. To help differentiate its products from other Windows Phone devices on the market, the Lumia 800 and 710 will feature Nokia Drive turn-by-turn navigation, Nokia Music, and the ESPN Sports Hub as integral portions of the UI.

"Eight months ago, we shared our new strategy and today we are demonstrating clear progress of this strategy in action. We're driving innovation throughout our entire portfolio, from new smartphone experiences to ever smarter mobile phones," said Stephen Elop, Nokia President and CEO. "From the Nokia Lumia 800 to the Nokia Asha 201, we are bringing compelling new products to the market faster than ever before. I'm incredibly proud of these new devices - and the people of Nokia who have made this happen." 

Source: Nokia

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An important moment
By Tony Swash on 10/26/2011 8:32:48 AM , Rating: 2
The release of the first Nokia WP7 phones opens a crucial phase in the struggle for mobile market share. If the Nokia WP7 handsets don't sell in significant numbers over the next year or so then both Nokia and Microsoft will pretty definitively be out of the game. Both would be huge milestones.

If they do sell in significant numbers then the mobile market will begin to look very different and the question will be where do the Nokia/Microsoft customers come from and which other major player loses sales as a result.

What an interesting experiment.

RE: An important moment
By Da W on 10/26/2011 9:04:25 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see why it wouldn't sell. Especially with no carrier bias in Europe and no sales people only trying to sell droids. HTC radar went like cupcakes in Russia.

RE: An important moment
By nafhan on 10/26/2011 9:49:07 AM , Rating: 2
I'm actually having a hard time seeing why they would sell.
MS is fighting an uphill battle against the entrenched Apple and Google ecosystems, here. When that's the case, you really need to come in with better handsets for a lower price, but it looks like MS/Nokia is coming with comparable/inferior handsets for a similar price.

They are nice looking phones, though. If MS is willing to put a bunch of money into a rebate program or something, I could see these things selling. At this point, MS needs to get a bunch of people using WP7.

RE: An important moment
By althaz on 10/26/2011 10:27:10 AM , Rating: 2
Except that they are coming in with WAY better phones for a similar price. Sure, they are mostly superior because of WP7 rather than Nokia, but better is better :).

RE: An important moment
By Taft12 on 10/26/2011 6:38:58 PM , Rating: 4
WebOS, PalmOS and OS/2 were better OSes too.

Better doesn't always matter, and calling WP better than Android or iOS is a very subjective opinion.

RE: An important moment
By kaosstar on 10/27/2011 10:41:46 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed. The HP Touchpad arguably had a better OS and overall experience than the Ipad 2, but was battling an entrenched giant with a loyal customer base, a huge app library, and superior hardware. Sounding a lot like Nokia, and they're about to repeat HP's mistake.

RE: An important moment
By michael67 on 10/27/2011 3:18:29 PM , Rating: 2
I played extensive with the HTC Radar from a coworker, and have to say from all the mobile OSes that are out there, its the most easy to use, the learning curve is mouths lower then on android. (I use my self a Galaxy S Plus)

For my next mobile will WP Mango be on my shortlist as OS, And i have to say, had a demo model in my hands of the Nokia Lumia 800, And man it is one hell of a nice looking phone.
Living in Norway as a other Scandinavian country, we uselessly get the first hands on on new Nokia models.

And the Black version is imho on the moment the most beautiful mobile that's on the market.

And imo is Nokia back, the only problem is that not many people have used Mango, so it has not had a lot mouth to mouth advertizing.

But I have to say, if people start using Mango, they will fall in love whit it, I was very skeptical at first, but I am sold that WP should at least be on anyone's shortlist for there mobile OS.

Only question I have is, how it holds up whit mobile 3D gaming, as the OS is lighting fast, but the hardware it self is pretty mid range compared to Android.

RE: An important moment
By The Insolent One on 10/27/2011 7:38:52 PM , Rating: 2
Wow michael67 that post was a challenge to read.

I almost had to reach for my Babel fish.

RE: An important moment
By BrgMx5 on 10/26/2011 10:59:36 AM , Rating: 2
MS is fighting an uphill battle against the entrenched Apple and Google ecosystems, here

MS is clearly going after first time smartphone buyers, and turn around nokia brand defection (grab symbian upgrades to MS OS)

All analysts point to a big growth of new smartphone owners and MS/Nokia are going after them. If they market it right, i can see them succeed.

Phones and OS look cool, and if the interface is IOS smooth, great for them.

RE: An important moment
By Samus on 10/26/2011 2:01:36 PM , Rating: 3
it looks like MS/Nokia is coming with comparable/inferior handsets for a similar price.

A statement made by someone who clearly has never touched a Nokia product. They have among the most superior build quality in the electronics industry, period.

Basically Nokia is to phones what the (original) IBM Thinkpad is to laptops: legendary build quality.

That already places them above practically any China/Taiwan manufacture (looking at you, HTC) and still edges out Samsung, LG, S/E, RIM and yes, even Apple.

RE: An important moment
By Aloonatic on 10/26/2011 2:19:20 PM , Rating: 1
I admit, I've not really held a top end Nokia for a while, but I used to have a N95 (8GB) before my HTC desire, and I then bought a C1 recently (so not top end) to cover for my HTC Desire after it was run over on the driver way, before my contract was up.

The N95 broke before it's time, but at least it never stopped sliding properly. Sadly, the call end button fell out after part of the body snapped off in my pocket.

The C1 was OK, but the coating of the case started to rub off and the back stopped fitting snugly after the 3rd or fourth cover removal, and I only had i for 5 months before getting my new phone.

So I've had Nokias, and I'd say that their build is nothing special, but that's purely anecdotal, I'll admit.

RE: An important moment
By nafhan on 10/26/2011 3:39:11 PM , Rating: 1
I was referring to the whole package (software, hardware, ecosystem, etc.). Build quality is important, but not the only thing to consider.

Further, it's not necessarily something that's going to move a lot of product. It's arguable, but your example regarding IBM's Thinkpad division speaks to that... Basically, people will avoid horrible build quality, but most will be satisfied with the level of quality provided by they companies you mentioned.

RE: An important moment
By lecanard on 10/26/2011 2:49:21 PM , Rating: 2
Phones and OS look cool, and if the interface is IOS smooth, great for them.

It's smoother than iOS. I borrowed a Focus for a while and tried Mango out and now I can't wait for the Lumia so I can leave iOS behind. iOS is nice but just can't compare.

RE: An important moment
By Mitch101 on 10/26/2011 12:14:04 PM , Rating: 5
The Windows Phone 7.5 OS is great the hardware/formfactor is second its lightning fast even with a single core.

What people need to understand its not just about the phone its the surrounding infrastructure that Microsoft brings with it that makes the phone incredible.

Once people understand how the Metro interface/Tiles works and use the device to see how fast and responsive the Windows Phones are to understand why they are so good.

All the information I need is right there on the phone without me opening any apps to check if I have e-mail and how many since I last checked, upcoming meetings, text messages since I last checked, voicemails, Stock UP/Down, Weather etc. all at a glance of the screen without opening any of the apps.

Microsoft Office
Chances are you have office at work nothing is better than having outlook integrated into your phone to sync with Microsoft Exchange. Powerpoint presentation not a problem I have it right here let me e-mail it to you. If you have Sharepoint its even better I can check out documents and review them on the plane.

Almost insignificant because you have the cloud and if you have a home server its infinite storage. I take pictures with mine and when my wife is in front of the computer the cloud downloads it to the PC. No need to sync.

Wireless Sync
Yes other phones have this but Microsoft had it day 1 even my first generation Zune 1 brick has it. I plug in my phone to be charged in the kitchen and 10 minutes later it wirelessly syncs with my PC updating all my podcasts and music I selected because I tend to forget to tether my phone to the PC.

Voice to Text.
My wife sends me text messages and the phone reads them to me. Using my voice I can then tell my phone reply I then speak a message and it translates my voice to text and I tell it to send. All using my voice while driving the car. And its DAMN good at translating my voice to text sometimes a little slow but its better than someone texting while driving. My eyes never have to leave the road.

I love not having to search for my apps any more too I can launch them with my voice. Open

X-Box control
If you havent seen Microsoft TV coming to the X-Box watch it with the windows Phone you can control the x-box using the phone. I would personally use kinect but will see. Some games will allow you to interact with the game using the phone I wish Madden would allow you to do this so I could select a play without the person Im playing against seeing what play Ive selected but its there.

Microsoft owns Skype if anything this is going to get really cool when they fully integrate all options here if you haven't seen Microsoft Lync and how you can switch video conversations to the tablet and walk to the conference you will want this.

Sure past Microsoft Phones ran out of innovation but the Windows Phone is Excellent you wont get the full picture by even playing with the phone you need to explore all the surrounding abilities of the phone to get how good it is.

RE: An important moment
By nafhan on 10/26/2011 1:18:03 PM , Rating: 2
I can't do Exchange because of security policies where I work (WP7 wouldn't change that), but everything else on the list I already do (or do something equivalent) with my Android phone.

Anyway, I'm not saying WP7 is bad - rather the opposite in fact. I'm saying it's competing against two entrenched, successful competitors. Doing some stuff a little better while doing other stuff a little worse, generally isn't enough in that scenario.

RE: An important moment
By Taft12 on 10/26/2011 6:46:10 PM , Rating: 1
Copy/paste from the marketing PDF?

RE: An important moment
By TakinYourPoints on 10/26/2011 9:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree, looks absolutely fantastic, first good non-iOS smartphone in a long time.

RE: An important moment
By Da W on 10/26/2011 2:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
MS is fighting an uphill battle against the entrenched Apple and Google ecosystems

The key word here is ecosystem, and although i won't argue against Apple ecosystem which is perfect for computer illeterate rich baby-boomers, what exactly does Google's ecosystem offer that Microsoft does not? Sync? Cloud? E-mail? Google Doc? Google plus? Apps? You can access all that via a PC, and so via a Windows phone.

Microsoft has some exclusive offering, namely office, zune and x-box. Now THAT'S an ecosystem. You might not want it but that's what an ecosystem is. As far as the 36386 apps go, it's more than enough for the casual user.

As far as harware go, this is not 1996 where you buy a computer based on it's megahertz frenquency. Most of HTC and Samsung windows phones are Android models ported to the windows OS, only all with the same CPU. But who cares about the CPU? I want quality antena, camera, sound, screen and a phone that works. Period.

RE: An important moment
By Moishe on 10/28/2011 9:49:43 AM , Rating: 2
Not everyone is like you (or me).
I am looking for an upgrade, and everytime I use iOS or Andriod... I just don't get the warm fuzzies. It's not that the OSes are bad, they just don't excite me (like WebOS did).

I tried WP7 and liked it. I need to try Mango.

My WebOS phone is starting to becoming difficult to use because it's so damn slow.

RE: An important moment
By Paj on 10/26/2011 9:18:19 AM , Rating: 3
I agree. If these fail it pretty much rules Nokia out of the smartphone game, possibly taking Microsoft with them. All the manufacturers concentrate on Android at the moment.

However, this could work by leveraging Nokia's very valuable (yet rapidly dwindling) brand equity in the minds of consumers - arguably better than any single Android manufacturer. I've always felt that the main thing holding back WP7 has been the marketing.

RE: An important moment
By StanO360 on 10/26/2011 11:39:38 AM , Rating: 2
They have a couple of advantages, great cameras, great nav app, plus their dominance around the globe. I bet we will see low cost third world options coming out (maybe not here though), again in markets without retailer bias.

RE: An important moment
By Aloonatic on 10/26/2011 2:07:31 PM , Rating: 1
I wonder just who values Nokia.

Kids think (I was listing to a report on the radio just now that raised this) that Nokia phones are the phones that your dad has.

Most kids are interested in Apple, Android or Blackberry.

Maybe the "dad" market is what Nokia and MS will go or, but ultimately, when it comes to tech, they'll probably be asking their kids, and they'll tell them (rightly or wrongly) to go wit the established players in most cases.

I hope I'm wrong, but I do wonder just where the market is that MS and Nokia are aiming for, and whether their is really an appetite for another player, even one as big as MS/Nokia.

RE: An important moment
By bug77 on 10/26/2011 9:29:08 AM , Rating: 2
If they don't sell, No-kia will probably sink. Microsoft, not so much, they can just sell to other manufacturers.

(Crappy spam filter)

RE: An important moment
By Master Kenobi on 10/26/2011 9:41:10 AM , Rating: 2
I love the Windows Phone 7 and 7.5 but honestly the lackluster hardware support and the lack of available devices is a deal breaker. Microsoft needs to start building and dstributing their own phones to be competitive much as they did with the Xbox360. It is the only way to work in the mobile market, the reliance on Nokia and other handset makers is rapidly becoming a hinderance. The Zune was a pretty slick piece of hardware, I can't see Microsoft having a problem building a competitive phone.

RE: An important moment
By AssBall on 10/26/2011 10:15:23 AM , Rating: 1
I kinda wondered why they haven't done this as well. They have plenty of hardware experience, and tons of money to throw into an advertising campaign. If Apple can make a POS phone, I'm sure MS can whip out several profitable models. Why haven't they? I don't know.

That said, I do really like Nokia phones and can't wait to try one of these 800's out. The hardware is plenty powerful IMO.

RE: An important moment
By Gungel on 10/26/2011 11:40:15 AM , Rating: 2
The majority of phone buyers doesn't care about the phones internals. They buy whatever the store employes tell them is the best option for them. Right now they tell everyone to buy an iPhone if the client doesn't like the price they usually push for an Android device. WP7 is not mentioned at all. WP7 won't succeed if MS and Nokia is not able to change that behavior.

RE: An important moment
By weskurtz0081 on 10/26/2011 12:53:48 PM , Rating: 2
That behavior will change when people start demanding WP7 phones, right now people are asking for iPhones and the best Android phones, so that's what they are being sold!

RE: An important moment
By Fritzr on 10/26/2011 1:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
Right now the sales people match them up with the biggest sales commission the customer can be convinced to pay for :P

OS is secondary. If the customer demands a particular OS, that narrows the choices. If the customer is willing to listen to the benefits of "this much better phone" then the nice salesman can influence the choice.

If WP7 hits the stores with a high sales commission you will see a large shift as the sales crew push the undecided to choose big paychecks for the salesman.

This same attitude affects stocking. The store will market the handsets (and included OS) that generates maximum profits. That is what makes the iPhone so nice. Even with high subsidies, the downstream revenue is extremely good.

RE: An important moment
By nafhan on 10/26/2011 1:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
The problem there is... you have to convince people to "demand" WP7 devices.

MS's best bet is probably:
--Going after enterprise/former RIM customers
--First time smartphone owners who are less likely to have already invested in a platform

RE: An important moment
By Da W on 10/26/2011 2:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
You can't convice iSheeps anyway and can't reason with a bunch of teenager-android-lovers.

Aim for the corporate world (and music lovers too).

RE: An important moment
By nafhan on 10/26/2011 3:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
Wasn't aware of the teenager Android lover stereotype... where'd you come up with that one?

I agree that corporate world is probably a good bet for MS, especially with RIM on the ropes.

RE: An important moment
By Master Kenobi on 10/28/2011 12:22:28 AM , Rating: 2
MS already owns that area with their Outlook and Exchange integration on iPhone and Blackberries. They don't even need to sell the phone to own the corporate market.

RE: An important moment
By Reclaimer77 on 10/26/2011 6:56:44 PM , Rating: 1
I'm getting tired of this excuse of blaming "store employees" for Windows Phone slow growth. THIS is why WP7 is struggling, a "new" WP7 phone that was outclassed already months before it was even released!

People don't buy operating systems, they don't care about that. People buy PHONES. Microsoft, put your goddamn OS on phones people WANT to buy. Not phones YOU want them to buy.

RE: An important moment
By Moishe on 10/28/2011 9:51:46 AM , Rating: 2
You're right, but a lot of that is that customers don't ask for WP7 as often... and that is because MS does a horrid job at marketing. If they would spend as much money on marketing as they do on buying companies, maybe they'd have more visibility in the market.

RE: An important moment
By themaster08 on 10/27/2011 3:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
For what it's worth, I've never actually seen you criticise the Windows Phone platform, with the exception of sales figures.

I'm just wondering, have you ever actually tried a Windows Phone? If so, what are your thoughts?

I currently own the LG Optimus 7, and I must say, I absolutely love it, and I'm completely sold with the Windows Phone platform.

I think the Lumia 800 is beautifully designed, and with Nokia's support, will continue to have improved software and features not found on any other Windows Phone. Maps and Music are just the start, although Nokia's fantastic turn-by-turn navigation software is enough for me to choose a Nokia Windows Phone over any other.

That, along with beautiful, unique design, excellent construction and build quality, great battery life, and Nokia's commitment to Windows Phone, I believe that this is one of the best smartphones on the market, particularly for those purchasing their first smartphone. Hopefully this will set Nokia back on the right track with the right marketing and sales techniques.

RE: An important moment
By semiconshawn on 10/28/2011 8:16:51 PM , Rating: 2
Nokia's big show had this effect on me. I bought an iPhone 4s. Ive had WP7 since day one and I like it but...LOUSY camera's on all WP7 phones plus no app selection have me giving up. No I dont care about fart apps but how about the NFL network that i pay for or a real Sirius/XM app. Too slow to market on all fronts. B4 this even I dont like Apple however the iphone 4s is the best phone on the market. You can put Android in any awesome piece of hardware and make it a piece of crap. No thanks.

RE: An important moment
By semiconshawn on 10/28/2011 8:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
I would have held on and bought the Nokia but its not even coming stateside till next year! Screw off Nokia/Microsoft.

By Trisagion on 10/26/2011 8:24:54 AM , Rating: 3
No front camera, NFC, lower res display, lesser storage, lesser memory, better CPU. So, its spec is inferior to the N9 and looks roughly the same. Expected better from Nokia.

RE: Meh
By Chadder007 on 10/26/2011 9:04:19 AM , Rating: 4
Also, no 4.3 inch screen no care.

RE: Meh
By Flunk on 10/26/2011 9:33:32 AM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of 4.3 options for Windows Phone already. Not everyone wants a huge phone.

RE: Meh
By Chadder007 on 10/26/2011 10:04:45 AM , Rating: 2
Not on Verizon there isn't. :(

RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/26/2011 10:22:16 AM , Rating: 2
Well there are only two CDMA phones, one with Verizon and one with Sprint. Yet this Nokia phone is also HSPA and GSM so nothing new for them. Looks like AT&T will have even more WP7 phones :(

RE: Meh
By Moishe on 10/28/2011 9:55:42 AM , Rating: 2
I don't want a huge phone. I know plenty of people with them and they're just too big.

I also don't want an enormously powerful phone.

I think I'm a good middle-ground customer. I want a decent phone that feels fast enough, has some good apps, easy to use, doesn't crash, average camera, etc. I'd rather have lesser speed/camera/storage for less money than a wannabe tablet phone for a huge price.

RE: Meh
By sviola on 10/26/2011 9:23:58 AM , Rating: 3
Well, if you take into account that the screen in the Lumia 800 is smaller than the N9 (3.7" vs. 3.9"), the resolution on the former is 800x480 for a pixel desity of 252 ppi, while the latter has a resolution of 854x480 and a pixel density of 251 ppi. So, the displays are similar.

The only thing I would like on the Lumia is the 64 GB option, considering it does not have a uSD card slot. But, it still bigger than the competition on WP7 mango phones.

Here is a comparison:

RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/26/2011 9:27:48 AM , Rating: 2
The only issue with the storage comparison is do the other phones have SD card slots? Because if they can increase there storage that makes quite a bit of difference.

RE: Meh
By StanO360 on 10/26/2011 11:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
most people will to get beyond 16Gb. Unless your loading movies. Which again most won't be doing. That's a lot of music and a lot of documents. And music is very cloud friendly, Sky Drive, Amazon, Google etc.

RE: Meh
By assassin316 on 10/26/2011 11:52:43 AM , Rating: 2
Don't be jealous since you can't have it yet.

NFC is a waste, dual-core is a marketing gimmick (and necessity for Android since the OS is sluggish), and screen-size is a perfect fit to use one-handed.

RE: Meh
By Trisagion on 10/26/2011 12:16:20 PM , Rating: 2
It's not so much so that I need a dual core CPU. They should have bettered the specs of the N9 at least. The phone looks good and Nokia hardware is always top notch, but there is nothing new or exciting about it - Worse hardware than a similar design released months ago and running Mango which has also been out for a while now.

What are they bringing to the game other than the brand?

RE: Meh
By themaster08 on 10/28/2011 2:26:44 AM , Rating: 2
On top of Nokia's brand name and top notch hardware design and construction, they're bringing their own integrated software. They're bringing an entire wealth of developers to the platform. They're the only company whose primary ecosystem is Windows Phone, so they're also bringing commitment.

The exciting part is the software that Nokia will bring to Nokia Windows Phones. Whilst I would have also liked to have seen NFC and a front-facing camera as found on the N9, I believe the specs of the Lumia 800 are able to bring out everything good in Windows Phone, in a beautifully designed package, and with the added benefit of Nokia's support for the platform. Maps and Music are just the start, although Nokia's navigation software is second to none.

RE: Meh
By Moishe on 10/28/2011 9:57:19 AM , Rating: 2
Not every generation needs to improve on the last generation in hardware specs. If they made the OS more streamlined and it runs fast, who cares how many cores it has?

Single Core Processor
By AlvinCool on 10/26/2011 10:23:26 AM , Rating: 2
Does any windows 7.5 phone offer a dual core processor? If not is that a limitation of the operating system?

RE: Single Core Processor
By inighthawki on 10/26/2011 10:55:24 AM , Rating: 4
No WP7 phone currently offers a dual core CPU, and it is not a limitation. The reason is because Microsoft set down strict hardware requirements for phones running WP7. The OS also doesn't NEED a dual core chip. Anyone who's used one will tell you it runs smooth with no slowdown anywhere. Adding better hardware would be like a PC gamer upgrading his graphics card because he's only getting a 200fps average in counter-strike, and he wants a solid 300.

RE: Single Core Processor
By Mitch101 on 10/26/2011 1:02:05 PM , Rating: 3
Dual core isn't necessary you wouldn't get any more performance from having dual cores. What you would get is lower battery life or just bragging rights. The OS apps and everything you do on the device is fast and responsive you could tell someone its dual core they wouldn't know.

I haven't seen an app for a phone that required any phone to have dual cores. Someone will say games but if one exists its probable GPU limited not CPU.

To me Dual Core in a phone is like having 16gig of ram and a 32bit OS a waste of space and power you'll never use.

RE: Single Core Processor
By Varun on 10/26/2011 2:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah all this bashing of single core is getting a bit silly. There is no way WP7 needs a dual core CPU. Has anyone even tried it? It is amazingly smooth on even the last gen hardware - the new phones with the faster CPU and a much faster GPU are going to be amazing.

16 GB is plenty for me. Everything is cloud based now, other than some music and photos I have on the phone.

RE: Single Core Processor
By cjohnson2136 on 10/26/2011 3:08:28 PM , Rating: 1
Even photos you wouldn't need to store them on a phone if you like to post to social media right away.

RE: Single Core Processor
By TakinYourPoints on 10/26/2011 9:08:11 PM , Rating: 1
Exactly, faster specs are relevant only when it is necessary to drive a sub-optimal operating system (Android) or when you want to run games with bleeding edge mobile graphics (iOS, and at this point the A4 in the iPhone 4 will be plenty for another year).

WP7 was already much smoother and faster on slower hardware than the latest Android handsets. Single-core or dual-core is irrelevant when there is such a difference in how optimized the operating systems are. People need to pay less attention to spec sheets and more attention to practical performance and usage scenarios.

RE: Single Core Processor
By Reclaimer77 on 10/26/2011 9:44:00 PM , Rating: 1
Can you show documentation of how Android is "sub optimal" or is this just more biased bullshit from you?

Need exciting
By MikeMurphy on 10/26/2011 8:59:53 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone find these phones lacking in any exciting features?

RE: Need exciting
By AssBall on 10/26/2011 10:22:33 AM , Rating: 4
What more do you want in a telephone? A holographic clown that sings "I'm on a Boat"?

RE: Need exciting
By cjohnson2136 on 10/26/2011 10:23:48 AM , Rating: 2
I would like that very much


I love the design.
By dark matter on 10/26/2011 10:01:31 AM , Rating: 3
Really different,

And I like the Metro UI,

Apple phones have terrible UI's.

Androids are all over the place.

If they are built like Nokias of past, I'm sold.

CPU speed isn't everything. Android is a pig - and that's coming from someone who owns an Android phone.

I was the kind of kid who wanted ALL his lego to match and be themed.

Android is like Duplo, Lego City, Lego Technica, and mismatched colours all over the show.

Horrid, horrid, interface.

Can't wait to bin it.

RE: I love the design.
By bug77 on 10/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love the design.
By cjohnson2136 on 10/26/2011 10:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
How something looks is all opinion based. Just because he thinks it looks bad doesn't mean the majority would agree with him. But I do agree with him that it looks bad

RE: I love the design.
By bug77 on 10/26/2011 11:55:30 AM , Rating: 1
How it looks is not that important. It's user friendly.

Where do they fit?
By melgross on 10/26/2011 9:18:09 AM , Rating: 2
While these are nice models, they aren't high end models. Maybe where they're expected to sell, price is the main issue. These days, $535 isn't a lot for a phone on the high end, so we might expect a full featured model to arrive here later. But to not offer a model with more Flash is surprising. 16GB isn't much these days, especially if one has a lot of music.

RE: Where do they fit?
By sviola on 10/26/2011 9:25:55 AM , Rating: 2
I agree on the storage, but on the rest of the specs, this is the high end model among WP7 phones.

SOLD !!!
By assassin316 on 10/26/2011 11:50:50 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sold! There's one thing Nokia knows, and that's phone design. That Lumia 800 is GORGEOUS!!

People will always complain about specs, but who cares. Android needs dual-core cause the OS is slow and sluggish, so the CPU speed helps keep things smooth. But WP7 is a sleek smooth OS, and that CPU is perfect.

Can't wait!!! :)

RE: SOLD !!!
By Moishe on 10/28/2011 9:59:48 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree that those are very cool looking phones.

By Aikouka on 10/26/2011 12:04:07 PM , Rating: 2
When I was reading the specs for the phone, I had no problems with the "antiquated hardware" being used, but it almost screams that this phone has the possibility to be sold cheaper than most. The thing is... I think that this phone almost needs to be sold at an affordable price (in the United States). That will allow it to insert itself in the American market as a cheap, but still potent and solid smartphone.

Maybe something like $150 and $100? That's with a contract of course.

RE: Price
By Varun on 10/26/2011 2:50:33 PM , Rating: 2
Once you factor in the contract there is no reason why this phone won't be $100 or so. I don't think that is going to be an issue. My phone was listed at $499 with no contract, and $0 with a contract.

The 800 looks great - the body looks just solid I can not wait to see it. Hopefully it comes to North America in early 2012 and not in a year.

All plasticy ?.
By fteoath64 on 10/28/2011 2:11:02 AM , Rating: 2
These plastic looking (and they are plastic!) handsets are going to have a hard-time in the market where nicer looking metallic handsets with much better designs and innards are going to compete. Unless the price is significantly lower, they have no chance in making any volume.

It is like Toyota trying to compete with Porsche but using plastic panels rather than carbon-fibre parts and yet having anemic engines to boot, while trying to price the same.

Look at that blue handset ?. Just like a toy ...

RE: All plasticy ?.
By semiconshawn on 10/29/2011 12:19:18 AM , Rating: 2
I agree totally the colored phones look like toy pieces of junk. A camera that cant out do the last let alone the current iphone (wtf Nokia)? I was waiting for these phones for a year? Top that off with the fact they arent even coming stateside until next year. I wanted to stay with WP7 (current hd7) but no third party support, the disappointing camera and the fact that I CANT EVEN BUY ONE are huge drawbacks. Wrap that up in a phone that looks like it was made by mattel. No thanks.

By Ramstark on 10/26/2011 11:11:47 AM , Rating: 2
I know that a lot of people already have said this, but the hit on this lineup will be the 610, it's cheaper and every bit of advantage that Wp7.5 offers is really enjoyable in that phone.
A lot of people in the "middle end" market could also switch to Nokia (again) after being disappointed and confused by Android phones.
As some have already pointed tough, the marketing and availability WILL be decisive now. Those phone NEED to be available for the U.S. and Latin America for this holiday season.

By kookyMooky on 10/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By StanO360 on 10/26/2011 11:43:41 AM , Rating: 2
That's absurd, you are caught up in this tiny slice of the world of tech blogs. Most people don't know or care, it's marketing and MS is not doing a good job. Part of marketing is working with retailers and salespeople, advertising to the right market (not you or me btw), these are great phones for customers new to smart phones, which is where Nokia's GPS app is a big boost.

RE: Meh
By NellyFromMA on 10/26/2011 4:48:21 PM , Rating: 3
I'm just gonna say this: There are a large number of people who love their smart phones because its the best ratio of mobility/computing, whether that means emails or games, whatever.

I dont know ANYONE that doesn't wish they were doing that on something a bit bigger than what most people are rocking (3.7's, not EVERYONE has 4.3, which is still too small for what most people are truly trying to do)

Microsoft is betting that people will realize this when Win8 tablets come out.

MS's future is not in the phone market, its likely going to be a mesh of tablet and desktop/server/traditional formfactors..

Don't ge tmy wrong, WP is a priority with them, but they don't need to push it huge. Once their tablet offering is taken seriously (provided it makes it to market in a state of respect-worthiness) there will be a synergy between WP and Win8 that will be leveraged and then you're likely to see the real push for WP.

Until then, it makes NO sense for so much marketing $$$ to be spent on WP at this time. MS is not really primarily working to sway people from the devices they already have, they are largely looking to tap new users.

Where do you think the money is?

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