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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer addresses a crowd of developers in Japan.  (Source: Microsoft)
Update could be a game changer for Microsoft in war against Android, iOS

At a keynote at the 2011 Japanese Microsoft Developers Forum today, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) CEO Steve Ballmer had exciting news for smartphone fans.  He announced some of the first known details about the company's next major release of its Windows Phone OS, Windows Phone 7.5.

I. Everybody Loves the Mango?

Mr. Ballmer says the upcoming OS, codenamed "Mango", is part of Microsoft's vision of "transforming the future of communications."

The chief executive admits that it's been a struggle over the last couple years for the prominent OS maker, but promises great things to come.  Mr. Ballmer comments, "We came to market with Windows Phone a year later than I wish we had, shame on us.  But we're moving forward very actively.  We launched Windows Phone last November, we've done a set of upgrades, we have a release that will come to market later this year in Japan.  Not only is it a release that is much more global, but we've added over 500 new features to Windows Phone."

"We have a big launch event to talk about the next release of Windows Phone tomorrow, so that information will be forthcoming, including some of the particulars about who is going to be building Windows Phones and which carriers are going to be offering them here in Japan."

Details about what "Mango" might hold haven't been specified, yet, but it's pretty easy to guess some of the items that may be on the menu.  Microsoft has long promised opening up multi-tasking for all third-party apps, pending a future update.  And Microsoft also promised connectivity with the popular Kinect motion sensor and Mobile Internet Explorer 9, a much-improved mobile browser.

Other improvements could be hardware dependent, such as Near Field Communications (NFC) technologies for wireless billing.  Rival Google Inc. (GOOG) has been pushing NFC particularly hard with its industry-leading Android platform.

Tie-ins with recent acquisition Skype, including video-chat services could be on the agenda, as well.

II. Windows Phone 7 Sees Poor Sales

Microsoft finds itself in a slightly curious position, in terms of sales.  On the one hand, its current sales are rather abysmal.  Of the approximately 100.8 million smart phones sold in Q1 2011, only 1.6 million were Windows Phone 7 handsets, according to a report by market research firm Gartner, Inc. (IT).

Microsoft is actually selling more Windows Mobile handsets than Windows Phone 7 handsets.  In Q1 2011 it sold 2.1 million Windows Mobile handsets, thanks to its drastically reduced prices on the phones, in an attempt to clear the way for Windows Phone 7.

On the other hand, the world's largest phone maker, Finland's Nokia Oyj. (NOK), has a deal with Microsoft to phase out Symbian OS and replace it with Windows Phone 7 over the next couple years.  If Microsoft can pull off a smooth transition, that move could catapult the company to second place in global phone sales, ahead of Apple, Inc. (AAPL).

Thus the future of Windows Phone 7 -- much like its upcoming update -- remains an enigma.

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Competition is good....
By NicodemusMM on 5/23/2011 1:59:24 PM , Rating: 5
... and this is a case where Microsoft cannot just assimilate the competition. Both Google and Apple are too big for MS to purchase and neither has any need/desire to merge with MS.

This is a win for consumers as MS will force Apple and Google to innovate and vice versa. Maybe this will help Google focus and get over their recent issues with Android.

~ Nicodemus

RE: Competition is good....
By Chaser on 5/23/2011 2:55:07 PM , Rating: 1
This is a win for consumers as MS will force Apple and Google to innovate and vice versa. Maybe this will help Google focus and get over their recent issues with Android.

In the case of phones I don't think Microsoft is going to "force" Android or Apple to do anything, today and in the near future.

RE: Competition is good....
By Mitch101 on 5/23/2011 3:23:09 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think Microsoft is going to "force" Android or Apple to do anything, today and in the near future.
They dont have to what Microsoft needs to do is be their own device and leverage the things that will be exclusive to Windows Phone 7.

Sharepoint, Exchange, X-Box, Lync/Skype for starters.

RE: Competition is good....
By mcnabney on 5/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Competition is good....
By retrospooty on 5/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Competition is good....
By snakeInTheGrass on 5/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Competition is good....
By mcnabney on 5/23/2011 5:00:06 PM , Rating: 1
How old are you? Must not have been conscious in the 80's and 90's.

The default monopoly of DOS (provided my IBM not thinking outside of the box) allowed MS to use the IBM PC-compatible monopoly to leverage the developing Windows platform (which ran ON MS-DOS).

Microsoft used the Windows monopoly to copy and sabotage Lotus 123, Wordperfect, and Harvard Graphics. Microsoft copied all of their competitor's features (they literally demanded their code to confirm Windows compatibililty) and tweaked the OS to run Microsoft's programs more efficiently (and reliably) than other vendors. This is perhaps a perfect example of using one monopoly to create another.

Microsoft easily crushed Novell in the server marketplace by using Windows compatibility. As dumb terminals grew into full workstations (running something like NT) it was simple for MS to break compatibility and complicate everything for Novell. The rapid integration of client-side software to support MS networking protocols and servers doomed Novell.


Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish ~ MS core philosophy

RE: Competition is good....
By kingmotley on 5/23/2011 8:22:49 PM , Rating: 3
I suspect you were doing way too many drugs in the 80's and 90's, because you obviously have no clue what was going on then.

WordPefect shot itself in the foot with its compeltely abysmal 5.2, and 6.0 releases. They sucked on DOS, and they sucked worse in Windows. Microsoft didn't have to do a darn thing but watch that blundering mess sink itself. No font support except their own, absolutely horrid performance, and they only supported printers they had drivers to (wouldn't work with the standard windows drivers).

Lotus 1-2-3, got taken to the cleaners by Paradox, not Excel. It wasn't until much later that Excel started to do well. Blame that blundering on Paradox that refused to continue innovating, and refusing to support OLE, or updating their UI to a standard GUI.

Harvard Graphics wasn't ever a big package, sorry.

RE: Competition is good....
By retrospooty on 5/24/2011 8:33:36 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly... Thanks.

MS takes alot of heat, but no other company has been able to do what they do. Apple? pfapf!. Apple has their niche, and I am glad for the competitive alternative, but they have a closed platform. They have a small handful of models with a controlled set of hardware/drivers and software - a cake walk for MS. If they were to be open and allow 1000's of companies to make hardware and write drivers and run open software that any of 10's of thousands of companies write, you would see a totally unstable, out of control product. That doesn't even touch on enterprise applications. MS takes alot of crap, because they are the biggest and the best, that goes with the territory.

RE: Competition is good....
By snakeInTheGrass on 5/24/2011 10:55:57 AM , Rating: 2
Biggest != best. It's amazing that people really equate the 2 as though there has to be a logical tie.

Microsoft got the DOS deal with IBM, borrowed liberally from the Apple Mac tech they had access to (legally - lawsuit was ruled in their favor, right?), then used that installed DOS base to push the new UI paradigm as PCs got fast enough to handle it. At times their efforts were incredibly bad (Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.0? Do you remember those?), 3.1 was good enough to mostly work. Hope you weren't trying to run more than 1 network protocol or anything fancy, because with the DOS underpinnings it was an unstable pile of crap, but as the PC had spread through the business world, and people wanted something that would work with their work machines, Microsoft had an inherent leg up. There were certainly better operating systems out there - OS/2, NeXTstep, Solaris, etc. etc., but with that business tie-in and cheaper PC hardware, the overall market was going to go to Microsoft.

Saying that Windows / Office are not proprietary is delusional as well. The only reason you can NOW get access to the documentation for the networking, filesystem, and document formats is because courts ordered them to open those up.

Big and proprietary does not equal a 'standard', it equals dominance. And Microsoft would have been remiss to not try to use that as leverage - it's because they are the largest and were using it to stifle the competition that they got hit with anti-trust violations. If they had been small, they could have done it with impunity. 95% OS market share will get you some extra scrutiny, you know, because it's pretty easy to use that to kill any chance of someone beating you.

But all of that doesn't mean 'best', it means biggest. There's more Ramen consumed than handmade pasta on a given day, more GM cars than Ferraris, and more Bud sucked down than Boddington's.

But you do have a point that if Apple opened their hardware and let others write all the drivers, you would have an unstable mess - which is what Windows pretty much has been through Vista. It sounds like Win 7 finally is a reasonable OS - and it certainly took them long enough, and it took a market where there was competition to get it there. FWIW, you can certainly write whatever software you want on the Mac, the platform is open for that, it's the hardware side that is more locked down - and has been the better for it. Lowest common denominator isn't the thing that pushes the industry.

And look, I have 2 360's, they're nice now that they have the cooler running chipsets. I had a PocketPC years ago that was ahead of Palm at the time. Having engaged in monopolistic practices doesn't mean everything MS has done or does today is crap either ('95 was better than MacOS back in the day, .net is a much nicer framework than JDK, IMHO), but big doesn't automatically mean everything they write is golden. Jesus, how many years behind were they on live scrolling in documents? Drag and drop of graphics? Buffered windows? Fixing their attempt to kill OpenGL? Etc.

RE: Competition is good....
By retrospooty on 5/24/2011 12:24:11 PM , Rating: 2
No, biggest does not mean best, but the topic was "successful" not which is best. You cannot say Windows or office isnt successful.And all I meant by open, is that any company can make hardware and write software for Windows. The same is true for Linux, but not Mac.

RE: Competition is good....
By Smilin on 5/24/2011 9:38:16 AM , Rating: 2
I suspect you never left the 80s and 90s even though your recollections are wrong. That EEE company died in the courtroom.

RE: Competition is good....
By SPOOFE on 5/23/2011 6:12:07 PM , Rating: 4
Microsoft has never succeeded in anything that they couldn't use one of their existing monopolies to the disadvantage of their competitors

I'd like to know what metric you're using to determine that the Xbox 360 is not a success. Barring that I'd like to know how you think one of "their existing monopolies" managed to make inroads against the market-dominating juggernaut that once was the Playstation brand.

RE: Competition is good....
By retrospooty on 5/24/2011 8:34:59 AM , Rating: 2
"I'd like to know what metric you're using to determine that the Xbox 360 is not a success. "

This guy may not have ever heard of Windows or MS office either, a couple of "slightly" successful products. LOL

RE: Competition is good....
By tayb on 5/23/2011 10:38:54 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft gaming divisions says hi.

RE: Competition is good....
By rudy on 5/24/2011 1:58:28 AM , Rating: 2
You can call it something bad or good just depends on how you want to spin it. In business it is called vertical integration. Is M$ any different than any other company? You take what you are good at and use that as an advantage. The one thing you have to give M$ credit for is they keep trying.

Is apple any different they have a near monopoly on the advertising and creative arts industry they use that to sell ideas they steal from others. Take the ipod, steal mp3 player idea advertise to masses, use money and power to force music industy to allow you to sell more songs than anyone on itunes, then use itunes and ipod to force att to allow the appstore stealing the once profitable app business from the phone companies.

Sony is the same they bought up half the film studios then used that in combination with the PS3 which they sold at a loss to dominate the HDDVD and kill it for the good of blu ray. But why is it no one talks about that?

You call it monopoly creep but others call it smart long term moves. Buy up industries and products and assimilate them into a solution. You can view it as bad or good, the problem is most people pick when they want to view it one way or the other based on if they like the company or not.

RE: Competition is good....
By InvertMe on 5/23/2011 3:26:07 PM , Rating: 2
In the case of phones I don't think Microsoft is going to "force" Android or Apple to do anything, today and in the near future.

Android and Apple are both ripping off the Metro interface from WP7 more and more. At least their developers are. MS interface blows iOS and especially Android (android is a clunky mess) out of the water.

RE: Competition is good....
By Smilin on 5/24/2011 5:00:53 PM , Rating: 2
Meh. Nothing new. Android and iOS already ripped off Microsoft to make their current interfaces. Mind you Metro is much better than Windows 3.1 so it might be a good idea this time.

RE: Competition is good....
By Mitch101 on 5/23/2011 3:14:56 PM , Rating: 1
I see apple taking a big dive by the end of the year.

Here is where Apple makes its money.

The iPhone is no longer the device to have its been replaced by the Android. Windows Phone 7 might start to cut into the market a bit more with Mango. Blackberry is starting to get some decent touch style devices. Cant imagine whats left in the iPhone they can do. Maybe Blue iPhones? Im sure the iPhone 5 will be neat but each version seems to be more of the same.

In the tablet market Android again there are numerous tablets out now from ASUS and ACER that are nicer devices than the iPad 2. Plus you have the foxcon facility blowing up which will cause iPad shortages which the company will probably spin as popularity selling out. Wait long enough for a device you eventually go elsewhere and discover that the google devices are pretty good. The foxcon problem helps apple if they were already falling short of thier investor predictions which I suspect you cant open the paper without seeing 5 other tablets next to an iPad or next to themselves.

Finally in the PC arena you have 5% of thier machines are infected with Malware. The term virus is thrown around but everyone knows Anti-Virus is for multiple threats not just Viruses. Throw on a sprinkle of thier geniuses blaming users and not supporting them. When the dose of reality hits that Mac's are infected and have similar issues to PC's the run to Mac over the PC will be over.

The final question over the next year is will a chrome pc gain any traction?

RE: Competition is good....
By cjohnson2136 on 5/23/2011 3:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
The final question over the next year is will a chrome pc gain any traction?

If the prices stay high I don't think so.

RE: Competition is good....
By michael2k on 5/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Competition is good....
By snakeInTheGrass on 5/23/2011 5:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
The fact that there is viable competition now is a good thing for everyone. The incremental releases were surely driven by the fact that nobody else had managed the breakthrough change in touch-screen driven phones that Apple did.

At this point, Apple will have to really push new stuff every year given that Google has copied as much of iOS as they could. And from a hardware integration with software perspective, they haven't been beaten yet.

RE: Competition is good....
By rudy on 5/24/2011 2:05:52 AM , Rating: 2
Which of those is not possible with any other platform. iPhone is at a dead end because it takes them almost a year to push a phone out while android phones are always running the latest hardware. Apple just moves way to slow. The only reason the iPhone took off was because of the iPods popularity. No one at that point had come close to toppling the iPod. But with phones now android is already out selling.

RE: Competition is good....
By robinthakur on 5/24/2011 9:00:07 AM , Rating: 2
Are you Tony Swash's MS-loving alternate personality?

RE: Competition is good....
By Hulk on 5/23/2011 6:09:23 PM , Rating: 2
But I thought competition is bad? We need to spread the wealth around right? Shouldn't the government step in and tax those greedy people at Apple and Google and give the money to a less successful company?

That way everyone can do well.

That is until they realize there's no point in trying.

RE: Competition is good....
By Smilin on 5/24/2011 5:03:43 PM , Rating: 3
Foxnews forums are over there...Thanks for stopping by though.

RE: Competition is good....
By icanhascpu on 5/24/2011 2:26:55 AM , Rating: 1
As far as Ive seen, the only innovation forceing has been the Apple/Google dance. MS has been about 4 years behind for a decade now. And anything good they do come up with is dissapeared.

Lots of potential
By themaster08 on 5/23/2011 3:22:05 PM , Rating: 2
It's nice to see Microsoft fulfilling the potential of an excellent product.

The Mango update will put Windows Phone on par, if not ahead of iOS and Android in terms of functionality and features.

The Nokia partnership will compliment Windows Phone with excellent navigation services, industry leading build quality and hardware design, the best smartphone cameras, global availability, an entire wealth of developer support and a huge fanbase, amongst other things.

I just hope that Windows Phone sees mass adoption over the coming years, it deserves it.

RE: Lots of potential
By Luticus on 5/23/2011 3:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
On the one hand, its current sales are rather abysmal.

I think that windows phone 7 looks like a good os and while there are a few problems that i have with it i'm still holding out for it above both apple and android. apple is to controlling and with android i have major privacy concerns. that said.... here's a hint about why your sales suck: Get on Verizon. Verizon pisses me off, but they are the best, and area a huge market that microsoft is missing out on right now. I'm with verizon and i won't swith for a win phone 7 device but i'm not going to cave and buy something else either.

RE: Lots of potential
By kleinma on 5/23/2011 3:49:29 PM , Rating: 2
Verizon will have its first Win7 phone in 3 days

It isn't exactly a killer phone, but it is a start. I am going to wait for a 4G with newer hardware specs to get a Win7 phone on Verizon, but I def want one. Especially if I can get a good data share plan since I have a Droid X already on my second line.

RE: Lots of potential
By themaster08 on 5/23/2011 3:58:31 PM , Rating: 2
I own an LG Optimus 7, and it's the best phone I've ever owned. If you're content with your current phone I would recommend holding out from buying a Windows Phone until the Mango update. Its shortcomings are a minor annoyance, but the updates are an assurance that my annoyances will be short lived.

I have high hopes for Mango. Whilst the NoDo update didn't fair particularly well with Samsung owners, I experienced no problems, and it has made the operating system slightly faster and absolutely rock stable. Microsoft's commitment to the platform is apparent, and I feel I have found the right platform for me.

RE: Lots of potential
By DanNeely on 5/23/2011 4:52:15 PM , Rating: 2
Current WP7 marketshare is no worse than android marketshare at the same point in time after its launch.

RE: Lots of potential
By mcnabney on 5/23/2011 5:16:01 PM , Rating: 2
Not true.

There are plenty of WP7 phones manufactured by several companies that run on numerous networks. They are still only selling little more than 1% of the current sales numbers. As soon as Android got off of a single bad device on the smallest network sales exploded.

Face it, the market doesn't want MS disrupting a nice and competitive marketplace.

RE: Lots of potential
By themaster08 on 5/23/2011 5:22:06 PM , Rating: 3
Face it, the market doesn't want MS disrupting a nice and competitive marketplace.
Why? Just because you say so? I happen to think Windows Phone is the best platform. I've tried Android, and it shares all of the same traits as Symbian, and look where that ended.

MS have something that is worthy of significant market share. Somehting original. Something competitive. Why would you want to disgregard the competition because of your own preferences?

RE: Lots of potential
By lecanard on 5/23/2011 5:08:43 PM , Rating: 2
I suspect my next phone will be a Windows phone. I have an iPhone 4 so by the time I need to upgrade, the windows phone platform should be mature with updates like mango and beyond.

RE: Lots of potential
By TakinYourPoints on 5/23/2011 8:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
I completely agree. Windows Phone 7 is the first real legit competition to iOS from a user and UI performance standpoint. It deserves to do well, certainly better than Android which is still a mess.

The fact that Windows Mobile 6 still sells better than WP7 is appalling though, wtf

By fishman on 5/23/2011 2:51:29 PM , Rating: 2
"that move could catapult the company to second place"

Symbian is dying fast now that Nokia has has announced that it will end using it. Current Symbian users who have their contracts come up will buy an android or iphone and not wait for the Nokia WP7. By the time the Nokia WP7 comes out, you could loose as many as half of the Symbian users. And if sales of WP7 are still low when the Nokia WP7 is introduced, you probably will lose quite a few more to the other phone OSes.

RE: Nokia
By boobo on 5/23/2011 4:26:45 PM , Rating: 2
Not really. That's not how the Symbian market works. The strength of Symbian is in not-very-smart phones. Symbian is sold mostly in the 3rd world where Android and iPhone devices cost between 500,000 to 950,000 while Symbian devices cost 35,000. The people who were in the market for a 35,000 phone don't have contracts, don't care about the future of the platform, and will certainly not upgrade to a 100,000 phone; much less a 500,000+ phone.

If Nokia can produce a WP7 at "Nokia prices," the market will go with them. If they sell WP7 at Android/iPhone prices, they might as well not have a current user base.

Prices ranges based on an average 3rd world country and its currency.

RE: Nokia
By mcnabney on 5/23/2011 5:11:42 PM , Rating: 2
The Android OS is free and capable of running on fairly weak hardware. The only reason Symbian is cheaper is because of the selected hardware, not the OS itself.

RE: Nokia
By rhangman on 5/24/2011 1:07:45 AM , Rating: 2
Bada is also free (for Samsung since it is their own OS) and capable of running on even weaker hardware (since it can use a RTOS kernel in addition to Linux).

I can already see evidence of Samsung picking up Bada sales in traditionally Symbian areas.

RE: Nokia
By mcnabney on 5/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Nokia
By achintya on 5/24/2011 12:53:09 AM , Rating: 2
Do remember that Symbian is also a diverse OS with multiple versions of it on Nokia phones. Nokia is not going to shove WP7 in that basic phone which is capable of making calls, sending messages, and a few other things occasionally. More than half the world's population would be using these basic phones, or would not be able to use the 'smartphones', which for them are useless since they don't understand technology. Do you really expect a guy sitting in a village in Africa or India to be able to use a smartphone properly? For them, smartphones are not as useful.

And for the Average Joe, he does not care about (or even know much about) the changeover of Nokia from Symbian to WP7. All he cares about is a great phone with good functionality. Which is what Nokia sells currently. Their phones might not have the ecosystem of applications (I dislike the term 'Apps') but they are rock solid in terms of quality and features.

One of the primary reasons why Nokia is losing users today is pressure from both the high-end as well as the low end. In the high end they have the Android/iPhones and in the low end they have the knockoff Chinese phone makers who are popping up every other day in all the developing nations. (which is where true growth lies for these phone companies).

Yes, Nokia will have to fight tooth and nail for its market share once it launches the WP7 phones, but till then it is not sitting idle and is still launching some great phones.

Sales may be low...
By InvertMe on 5/23/2011 3:23:56 PM , Rating: 3
...but user satisfaction is incredibly high. The OS is solid and updates are incredible.

It won't be an easy road but I think MS will do just fine.

MS has a lot to overcome. I read stories on WP7 forums frequently about people who specifically go to a TMO store to buy a WP7 phone and fandroid clerks do everything possible to dissuade them from buying what they want and turn them to an Android phone. I don't know what Microsoft could do to stop this but they should probably have a nice talk with TMO execs to correct the behavior.

Android users seem to be incredibly threatened by WP7 for some reason. There is certainly enough room for both platforms to be successful.

At least Microsoft has deep pockets to keep backing WP7 until more traction is made.

More advertising, sexier hardware and word of mouth..

WP7 may see 3% of the market by next year!! :)

RE: Sales may be low...
By Flunk on 5/23/2011 3:49:25 PM , Rating: 2
I have that problem a lot. Many people have asked me why I didn't buy an Android phone. I tell them all that I think Windows Phone 7 is really awesome but I'm not sure that everyone believes me.

Anyway, more platforms is good for prices and features. We want competition to continue indefinitely and to do that we need strong competitors. To that end I suggest everyone buy the mobile OS they feel like buying. Who knows where that will leave us in 5 years but long term we're going to settle in on 2-4 good platforms that compete for our affections. This market is certainly big and profitable enough.

RE: Sales may be low...
By Breathless on 5/23/2011 4:23:30 PM , Rating: 2
Me too...

When I got my HTC Arrive from Sprint, the clerk tried to explain to me how inferior it was from the Android phone. He looked at me as I was checking out and said "are you suuuuure you want that phone?" I explained to him that I tried both phones and just liked the interface on the Windows phone better and don't need 500 billion apps. He listened to me - but looked at me exactly the way I imagine I look at people who ask me if they should buy Dell or HP as opposed to a custom built PC. It was a little strange being on the "other side" hehe.

I hope these sales numbers change
By KoolAidMan1 on 5/23/2011 8:16:30 PM , Rating: 1
Windows Mobile still outselling Windows Phone 7 is crazy. WP7 will eventually be on par with iOS and is already much better than Android from a usability standpoint, yet Microsoft is having a hard time selling it.

Microsoft has done a really good job with WP7. Hopefully its sales pick up and its public perception overcomes all of the undeserved Android hype. At CES it was Android-this and Android-that, everywhere getting hyped on all kind of hardware (and all second rate). Meanwhile there is WP7, an actual good top-to-bottom piece of consumer electronics, sitting by itself in a corner of the Microsoft booth.

MS needs to sell the shit out of this thing, it deserves to do well.

RE: I hope these sales numbers change
By rudy on 5/24/2011 2:07:46 AM , Rating: 2
What is even more crazy is alot of places like sprint are still selling really outdated windows mobile 6.5 phones for the same price as brand new vastly superior WP7 phones. It just goes to show how dense the average consumer is.

By InvertMe on 5/24/2011 9:55:33 AM , Rating: 2
Well in their defense there are lots of things 6.5 can do that 7 cannot.
*Mass storage drive
*Hot spot
*Ridiculously customizable
*Changeable ringtones

and a bunch more. A lot of these will be addressed in Mango though. 6.5 wasn't too bad of an OS as long as you were willing to tweak it a lot. That's one of the things I like about wp7 - it just plain works right out of the box.

Stick a fork in them now?
By Mitch101 on 5/23/2011 3:30:53 PM , Rating: 2
Id like to point out that the last 20 conversations about smartphones no one has bothered to mention Palm. Not once and they have a Palm 3 coming out.

Can we finally stick a fork in them? They are the burnt burger that resembled charcoal on the grill.

RE: Stick a fork in them now?
By Taft12 on 5/23/2011 3:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you missed the memo but the Palm brand was already officially buried by HP months ago.

There will be a Pre 3 but it will be the "HP Pre 3"

500 features and 1.6% market share
By jnemesh on 5/23/2011 7:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
The one feature missing is the one that will convince the MILLIONS of iPhone and Android users to abandon their software libraries and move to an entire new ecosystem! The longer they wait for this update/upgrade, the farther behind they get. People who PURCHASE apps are not going to want to re-purchase them just to get a new phone! This is especially true, if customers, like myself, have spent upwards of $50 on apps. It quickly becomes a loosing proposition to switch platforms. This was why it was so hard for Windows users to switch to Mac and vice versa (before Intel powered Macs and Parallels or Boot Camp).

By Smilin on 5/24/2011 10:47:43 AM , Rating: 2
I believe $50 is chumpchange in the world of consumers that buy $200 (plust $3k contract) smartphones. Heck that's not much more than a monthly data charge.

It's just going to take one "event" to get you to think about switching. Some OS update will come out that will break an app and you'll discover that broken app not only works but is free on a different platform.

This is just one more difference between "apps" and "applications".

By croc on 5/23/2011 11:04:32 PM , Rating: 1
I have a phone, a landline, and it makes good phone calls. I also have a mobile phone, and it makes good phone calls.

Neither of my phones plays me music, or has games to play, but my mobile phone does have some contact information so I don't have to carry a phone book around... It will also tell me the time of day, (although the sun does that pretty well) as well as the day of the month. I can also use the mobile's calculator if I forget how to add two + two. It will also take (crappy) pictures or videos, should I see, say, a nude lady walking down the street...

So what more could I want?

Well, have to go. Need to walk up to the cafe' and get a cappuccino, have a gab with the locals, you know, real people kind of stuff.

RE: phone?
By rudy on 5/24/2011 2:12:31 AM , Rating: 2
How about a phone which can replace your laptop, my phone has pretty much hit that level. That is where things get interesting. My phone synchronises google calendar with multiple people and work. I never need to get to a PC to check that information and better yet I do not need to write down events other people make. The smart phone is just the phone evolved it still does the same basic function it allows you to communicate faster. But it does it for so many more things now. It is valueable because of that. Also you can ditch the GPS or any form of map. And all that means you can spend more time with real people because you are spending less time doing things at a office.

A side note...
By Breathless on 5/23/2011 4:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
That looks like one tasty mango.... almost like an inside out Cantelope... mmmm... cantelope...

By excrucio on 5/23/11, Rating: -1
"I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For [Paramount] to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks!" -- Movie Director Michael Bay

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