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The HTC Radar will come preinstalled with Mango
Mango is on the way

Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 operating system often seems like a breath of fresh air compared to the usual grid-based array of icons on competing operating systems like Apple's iOS and Google's Android. The sleek Metro UI interface, Live Tiles, and even the "cutoff text" gives it a unique look in the smartphone space.

However, despite Microsoft's efforts to innovate with its latest smartphone OS, it hasn't exactly seen sales success after nearly a year on the market. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has lamented the slow start for the Windows Phone 7 on more than one occasion. Microsoft is now looking to reverse its fortunes with Windows Phone 7.5, codenamed "Mango".

Whereas most Android smartphone users have to play the waiting game to see if their device will support the next major software update (or if they will receive it at all), Microsoft's strict hardware requirements for Windows Phone 7 mean that Mango is now rolling out across all major U.S. carriers (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile). There are also a slew of new phones that are on the way with Mango preinstalled. 

Some of the new features in Mango include: 

Groups: You can now group your contacts (think Google+ Circles with Work, Family, etc.) in a Live Tile on the Start Screen

What's New?: Current updates stream in via text, email, or social networks like Facebook and Twitter

Multitasking: Mango finally brings "intelligent" multitasking to the table and operates similar to iOS and Android

New Bing tools: Local Scout, as its name implies, allows you to search for local places and activities. Bing Vision allows you to perform searches using your onboard camera and translate text.

Internet Sharing: Carriers can now give you the option to enable Wi-Fi hotspot functionality

Web Marketplace: Allows you to search and purchase apps from your PC and have them wireless install to your Mango phone. This video explains the feature in great detail. 

“One of the things I’m most proud about with Windows Phone is that we took a different approach,” said Andy Lees, president of Microsoft’s Windows Phone Division. “We looked around and saw that smartphones were largely becoming application launchers, and consumers were left to navigate a sea of icons and a grid of apps. We looked to build all the core things that consumers want to do directly into the phone, and focus it all around people – not icons.” 

Microsoft still has a long way to go to get people to take notice of Windows Phone 7.5, but the company is making sure that people that do make the leap are in for a compelling experience. It's great to see competition in the smartphone space, so hopefully the Nokia mashup will give Microsoft some stronger footing against Apple and Google.

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No porting
By Freddo on 9/28/2011 5:20:10 AM , Rating: 2
The main disadvantage about Windows Phone is that you can't really port software for it. There are a lot of neat open source projects written in C++, like ScummVM, but you can only compile C# code for Windows Phone. Which sucks.

At least that's my understanding of it, please correct me if I'm wrong.

RE: No porting
By cjohnson2136 on 9/28/2011 8:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah the only thing you could really port would be a WPF or Silverlight project. You would just have to modify design some so it fits on a phone.

RE: No porting
By cjohnson2136 on 9/28/2011 8:28:15 AM , Rating: 2
Also forgot you can use VB it does not only have to be C#

RE: No porting
By Mitch101 on 9/28/2011 9:52:56 AM , Rating: 2
VB, C#, Silverlight, XNA, There is a 5th development tool which I don't recall the name to.

Plus Microsoft runs free classes with assistance from instructors sometimes with great prizes-giveaways.

Getting Started with Windows Phone

RE: No porting
By cjohnson2136 on 9/28/2011 11:10:15 AM , Rating: 2
The thing is though with XNA and Silverlight you still have to pick C# or VB for your code behind :)

RE: No porting
By NellyFromMA on 9/28/2011 11:25:59 AM , Rating: 2
How many options does Android or iOS offer? I assume only one, but I honestly don't know.

RE: No porting
By cjohnson2136 on 9/28/2011 1:50:58 PM , Rating: 2
As far as I know Android apps are only written in Java and iOS apps are only written in Objective-C.

RE: No porting
By Da W on 9/28/2011 8:37:52 AM , Rating: 2
Seeing Windows 8 at Build, i think C++ is dead. Correct me if i'm wrong.

RE: No porting
By cjohnson2136 on 9/28/2011 8:41:57 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah Microsoft is really pushing WPF style applications with C#. Which is fie by me because it is all my programming courses taught me minus one java course.

RE: No porting
By inighthawki on 9/28/2011 9:34:22 AM , Rating: 3
The new WinRT runtime for windows 8 still works 100% with native C++. The only reason native code is NOT being pushed is because the OS will now run on ARM processors, which means in order for a single application to be cross platform it needs to be JIT compiled via .NET bytecode. It is still possible to compile C++ code for ARM though. The VS11 IDE contains the ARM compiler.

RE: No porting
By cjohnson2136 on 9/28/2011 11:10:58 AM , Rating: 2
Which I think is really nice.

RE: No porting
By NellyFromMA on 9/28/2011 11:27:59 AM , Rating: 2
The managed librarys are built off of C++. I also heard there is a decent update coming for C++ IIRC. It won't be dead, it's just not as necessary for the majority of little things developers need to whip up and maintain. Which is a good thing if used right

RE: No porting
By EricMartello on 10/3/2011 1:49:31 AM , Rating: 3
Seeing Windows 8 at Build, i think C++ is dead. Correct me if i'm wrong.

C++ is for the big boys. You go run along and play in your C# sandbox with the other little kids, ok?

By jang_clangle on 9/28/2011 7:05:07 AM , Rating: 1
According to most reliable (*ahem*) sources, WP7.5 is a minor update -- saying "it aims to revolutionize Microsoft's mobile platform" is quite inaccurate as well as just plain silly.

Anyway, I do wish Microsoft best of luck with WP7. I'm not a big fan of their products at all, but at least WP7 looks interesting, and it's great to see something that isn't just another iPhone copy.

It's also interesting to see Microsoft attempting to break into a market without being able to just "thug" their way in, as they've done with PC-related stuff for decades now.

RE: WP7.5?
By BushStar on 9/28/2011 7:27:20 AM , Rating: 2
I would not say they are trying to 'thug' their way in. Microsoft has been failing to get into smartphones for a long time. I've had WM6 and WM6.5 before and I jumped ship as soon as I could.

WM7 does look very interesting, all the more so that a WM like interface is coming to Windows 8. It is more innovative than Lion's iOS interface...

RE: WP7.5?
By jang_clangle on 9/28/2011 7:33:24 AM , Rating: 2
I would not say they are trying to 'thug' their way in.

Right, and if you read what I said neither would I. :)

(It's early, I know...)

RE: WP7.5?
By cjc1103 on 9/28/2011 8:17:16 AM , Rating: 2
Buddy, get a cup of coffee and put down the keyboard for awhile, OK?

RE: WP7.5?
By bupkus on 9/28/2011 8:59:55 AM , Rating: 2
Butt out. Can't you see they're having a moment?

Hmmm, coffee does sound good though.

RE: WP7.5?
By Da W on 9/28/2011 8:35:19 AM , Rating: 3
According to most reliable (*ahem*) sources, WP7.5 is a minor update -- saying "it aims to revolutionize Microsoft's mobile platform" is quite inaccurate as well as just plain silly.

And what would your reliable source be?
I own one, HTC surround, forced the update yesterday (by unplugging the internet connection, don't understand why it works but it works well) and i can say i am impressed. It's just the gazillion little things that compound togheter:
- Send SMS/MMS/ live chat on facebook and messenger in the messaging hub.
- Live feed from facebook/twiter/linkedin from the contact hub
- See all your friend's picture on facebook from your picture hub just next to yours that are on your phone
- Fast access to skydrive document in the office hub, you can have your word-excel-powerpoint-one note from your computer synced in the clouds and on your phone.
- You got Shazaam and bar code scanner like capabilities in your bing hub just by pressing the search button.

I haven't opened an app yet! That's the difference of windows phone. Hubs are like folders grouping big categories and doing multiple tasks at once. I'm not wetting my pants or anything, but i'm trying to see from a buisness point of view, and i think microsoft has a winner to take the spot (soon to be) left by RIM. Sure, geeks will always prefer the customization of google phones, and isheeps will be forever isheeps. But windows phone are simple (even for 50years+ old) and do every task an average non-tech junky might want to do with a phone.

RE: WP7.5?
By Mitch101 on 9/28/2011 9:58:05 AM , Rating: 5
Mango Update List

SkyDrive support (including shared folders)
Internet Explorer 9
Hardware acceleration
Twitter integration
Xbox LIVE Avatar accessories
Kinect integration
Application jump list
Application search
Redesigned Marketplace
Improved Marketplace search results
Streamlined app installation
Over-the-air podcasts
Silverlight + XNA
Improved panorama and pivot controls
TCP/IP sockets
SQL CE database
Live Agents
Deep Links
Multiple live tiles per app
Motion Sensor
Instant-resume for apps
Power management (Battery Saver)
Parental controls (including M-rated titles)
Custom ringtones
Background audio
File download service
Alarm notifications
Redesigned Games Hub
Silverlight 4
Beta/private publishing on the Marketplace
Pinnable email folders
Email conversation view
Server search
Complex (alpha-numeric) passwords
Information Rights Management
Hidden Wi-Fi networks
App Connect (formerly Search Extras)
Quick Cards
Local Scout
Indoor maps
Photo translation
Image search
Improved virtual keyboard
Contact communication history
LinkedIn integration
Calendar integration with Facebook Events
Facial recognition
People tags
Updated mobile versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote
Single track repeat
Improved drop-down media controls
Playback controls on the lock screen
Favorite places
Web Marketplace
Multiple file formats on SkyDrive, including PDF
Instant access to Bing under device lock
Photo auto-fix
Improved Marketplace search
Artist imagery on artist card
Related artists
Detailed now playing list
Toggle for full-screen video
Video scrubing
Game history
Achievement comparison
Xbox LIVE friends list
Xbox LIVE messages
Command bar integrated in all hubs, includes search button
Save camera settings
Vibrate-only alarm and new alarm sounds
Snooze options for reminders
Redesigned Pictures Hub
Redesigned Camera
Microsoft Points balance shown in the Games Hub
“Open IE9 tab in new/current tab” setting
Bing Maps auto-navigates to user’s location
Microsoft Office for Mobile updated to v14.5
Camera Roll moved to the main area of the Pictures Hub
Option to enable tap screen to take pictures
Password lock time interval
Zune HD-like shutdown experience
Animated Pictures Hub tile
Recent games list
Improved Avatar animations (changes based on message context)
Improved call screen
Quick Events
Sync Twitter followers to the People Hub
Pictures Hub live tile slideshow
Talking caller ID
Fast Async
Avatar Awardables
Game add-ons
Photo apps included in the Pictures Hub
Pin photo albums to start
Review photos under lock


Location check-ins
Photosynth (possibly as an app)
Windows Live Messenger / Facebook Chat
Bing Vision
Bing Audio
Auditory turn-by-turn navigation
SMS dictation
Colored tiles for Office documents
Support for additional languages
Visual voicemail
Office 365 support
Artist imagery on lock screen
Redesigned Music + Videos Hub
Smart DJ
Playlist management
Enable/disable camera sound
Linked Inbox
Multiple calendars for Windows Live and Exchange accounts
Facebook video uploads (SkyDrive too)
Facebook notifications
Task (To-Do) support (Windows Live and Exchange)
Downloadable content
Front-facing camera
Music and video streaming from SkyDrive
Internet sharing (tethering)
NFC Support
Support for Wi-Fi Hotspots


Mobile Studio
AOL Instant Messenger (AIM)
Multiple calendars for non-Windows Live accounts
Real-time multiplayer
Lunar dates for the calendar
Expanded flag support for emails
Windows Live Messenger nudge
Windows Live Messenger group chat
Share Xbox LIVE profile on Facebook
Xbox LIVE Party and Voice Chat
Advanced options for LAN connection
Multiple keyboard layouts (QWERTY, QWERTZ, AZERTY)
Resizable touch targets for virtual keys
Send customized dictionaries to Microsoft


Xbox LIVE multiplayer toggle
Games Marketplace moved out of Zune
In-app transactions

RE: WP7.5?
By jang_clangle on 9/29/2011 7:34:49 AM , Rating: 2
All your copy pasta tells us that in a year or two wp7 might finally get around to offering all the functionality my Blackberry does today.

I guess for people who actually want facebook and twitter integration (aka 14 year old kids) it's probably real hot stuff.

As I said, I do wish microsoft best of luck with it, but it looks an awful lot like another case of them just "not getting it".

And we already have update problems!
By banvetor on 9/28/2011 5:46:06 AM , Rating: 2
Check this thread at Microsoft Answers:

I haven't received the update yet (nor tried to "force it" by disconnecting the computer from the internet when zune is searching for updates), but many, many people with the exact same phone as I have (LG E900 unbranded) are not able to complete the update to Mango!

It seems that LG sent an updated firmware a couple of months ago, but only people with carrier-branded phones got it... and now only this new firmware is correctly able to update do Mango.

I mean, I know problems can happen, and I know that the Mango update process is seeming much better than the previous ones (worldwide sync at least), but when the problem happens to you, it just sucks :(

I hope to see this solved shortly!!!

By Mitch101 on 9/28/2011 10:07:29 AM , Rating: 2
I would rather have an error message than a bricked phone.

Update 3.1 Turned my iPhone into a Brick

Samsung Intercept Froyo update bricking phones, Sprint techs being told to fix or replace

Any update has the possibility to cause an issue on any phone.

But why? Why MANGO?!
By bupkus on 9/28/2011 9:09:02 AM , Rating: 2
It will never be free of SNL's character played by Chris Kattan.

By Subzero0000 on 9/29/2011 9:14:30 PM , Rating: 2
We looked around and saw that smartphones were largely becoming application launchers, and consumers were left to navigate a sea of icons and a grid of apps. We looked to build all the core things that consumers want to do directly into the phone, and focus it all around people – not icons.

Android is not a smartphone?

"This is about the Internet.  Everything on the Internet is encrypted. This is not a BlackBerry-only issue. If they can't deal with the Internet, they should shut it off." -- RIM co-CEO Michael Lazaridis

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