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The list of things that Windows Phone 7 can't do grows

Windows Phone 7 is shaping up to be more memorable for the features that it lacks rather than what new functionality that it brings to the table. The latest feature to be dropped from Windows Phone 7's spec sheet is tethering.

Some sites were reporting earlier in the week that the mobile operating system would support tethering due to comments made by Brandon Watson, Director of Windows Phone 7. However, a Microsoft spokesman contacted Boy Genius Report today to state that Watson was mistaken and that “Windows Phone 7 does not support tethering."

Microsoft's next generation mobile operating system, which recently went RTM, also lacks copy/paste and third-party multitasking. Both were features that Apple was long criticized for when the original iPhone launched in 2007. It wasn't until 2009 that the iPhone received copy/paste functionality, while full multitasking and tethering (in the U.S.) didn't show up until this year.

Microsoft's first iteration of Windows Phone 7 appears to be seriously lacking when it comes to basic smartphone functionality, but Microsoft still has time to add features at a later time. Microsoft has stated in the past that it wanted to make sure that the initial release of Windows Phone 7 was near perfect, and that things like copy/paste and multitasking could wait until a later date (possibly v7.5).

However, Microsoft has stiff competition in the smartphone market given dominate players like RIM, Apple and Google. Apple's iPhone has taken a nice chunk out of smartphone sales globally, and Google's Android operating system is dominating the sales charts in the United States -- Microsoft can't afford to be conservative this time around.

Despite Windows Phone 7's shortcomings and the presence of stiff competition, Microsoft has still boldly predicted that its latest mobile OS will crush the competition. The boys from Redmond held a mock funeral for the iPhone and BlackBerry earlier this month complete with caskets.



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Not Good Enough
By rzrshrp on 9/24/2010 2:49:41 PM , Rating: 3
Mobile 7 really needs to hit the ground running and missing key features isn't the way to do it when going against the competition. Couldn't the older Windows Mobile phones do multitasking? Why is MS taking a step backwards? I don't pay any of the company's boasting any attention. They show supreme confidence to the press whether their product has any hope of succeeding or not.




RE: Not Good Enough
By Mitch101 on 9/24/2010 2:58:35 PM , Rating: 4
It has multitasking to a degree but not outright with third party apps. To multitask everything would just waste the battery and you know people are going to be screaming about any possible advantage the droid and iPhone has over Mobile 7 no matter how small an insignificant they are. Its like why Cut and Paste wont die but if you see the way Mobile 7 works it doesn't fully need it but sure to be added.

Most tethering done on an iPhone and Blackberry device was done through a third party application (Back-doored) otherwise it was generally blocked because of the carrier not the device. When discovered blocked at the software distribution site. So it may be possible to tether through using something hidden in an app or if you write one yourself and load it. Blackberry does this very nicely with a cheap bluetooth application. ;)

Microsoft recently released Visual Basic for the Windows Mobile Platform. Thats a huge number of developers that can soon write apps for mobile 7. Over 300,000 downloaded the Visual C# version and there are many many more Visual Basic developers.


RE: Not Good Enough
By mcnabney on 9/24/2010 3:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone 7 lacks:
Copy/paste
Multitasking
Side loading (EVERYTHING must go through MS, oh joy)
Native code support is absent (for now)
No file system (leaving categorization to Apps only)
Tethering
Backwards compatibility
No Skype (or any VoIP)
No Flash, HTML5, or Silverlight
Very limited VPN support
No CDMA until 1Q2011

Ugh, just what does the new platform do that would make anyone want to buy it?


RE: Not Good Enough
By solarrocker on 9/24/2010 4:19:05 PM , Rating: 3
It shows a windows logo? Maybe, but only in 2d..

Also you can call.... I think, but that might be a feature they going to put in with version 1.5 if they go anymore backwards that is.


RE: Not Good Enough
By ResStellarum on 9/24/2010 9:22:40 PM , Rating: 3
So true. MS slaps a windows logo on it and expects it to sell like hot cakes. Considering android is infinitely more popular and it's free, I don't know why on earth any hardware manufacturers would support yet another doomed microsoft phone platform.


RE: Not Good Enough
By tastyratz on 9/26/2010 8:41:06 AM , Rating: 3
whoa phone calls? you can call with it? do people still do that with phones? Surely you must be mistaken.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Da W on 9/24/2010 5:07:48 PM , Rating: 2
Cause not every one is a geek. About 1% of iphone users i know knows what multitasking or tethering means.

True it would have been fun to have tethering, but i didn't expect it. The best way to do it is to get an android device, and still, not many have updated to froyo yet.

On my god! What did i just say? Most android phone don't have tethering ro wi-fi hotspot ability yet? It's only gonna come later??? OH NO!!! WHY would anybody but an android phone?

Seriously, go try out a zune HD, you'll see why windows phone may be cool.


RE: Not Good Enough
By mcnabney on 9/24/2010 7:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
You know 100 iPhone users?

Droid X just moved to Froyo. The only one left on Verizon is Ally, which is supposed to be soon.

My main point was that tethering is one of numerous shortcomings. If a company plans on launching a product a year late to market, they better make sure it is done and competitive. The ZunePhone was kicked out the door with half of its features missing. The tired excuse of "we'll fix it later" isn't going to fly. It isn't like they are promising future improvements that nobody has. They are promising future improvements TO CATCH UP. Only Apple can play that kind of game.

I wonder if ZunePhone will also offer a RRoD? That is a MS trademark feature!


RE: Not Good Enough
By Alexvrb on 9/24/2010 8:56:47 PM , Rating: 1
"Ugh, just what does the new platform do that would make anyone want to buy it? "

The iPhone STILL lacks a lot of those features. It sells just fine. Would you rather they throw in every feature everyone wants, to the detriment of the more important features and basic functionality?


RE: Not Good Enough
By bodar on 9/24/2010 9:04:21 PM , Rating: 2
Right, but iOS is not the underdog here. On what front does it expect to compete? Clearly not features, Android beats it there. Ease of use and "cool" factor are Apple's bread and butter, so good luck there. I'll reserve judgment til I see the phone for myself, but Microsoft has its work cut out for it. I love my Zune HD, but the Win7 home screen just looks awful, IMO.


RE: Not Good Enough
By theapparition on 9/27/2010 8:19:59 AM , Rating: 3
Yep,
Cracked me up when the article mentioned that the iPhone supported true Multitasking. Really? When did that happen, rather than the half multitasking thing that they try to acomplish now.

But back on topic, I think MS is trying to hard to emulate the iPhone business model. That only works for Apple, and if they just have an also-ran, then why would someone pass up an iPhone for a Win7mo phone? Kinda like how legions of people gave up thier iPods for Zunes. Oh wait, that never happened. Shame too, because the ZuneHD is the superiour platform, just not that much better to cause people to switch from what they are used to.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Da W on 9/27/2010 6:55:46 AM , Rating: 1
What WP7 have
1) Usability. I like it far better than the icon-apps way on the two others.
2) Cool music player. I cannot describe it, apple's ipod just seems ages behind.
2.5) If you're a windows user you don't have to use that shitty itune piece of junk.
3) Zune pass, rent unlimited for 15$ a month.
4) Xbox live connection, and a garantee there will be a lot of games.
5) E-Z to program for, uses Silverlight and XNA, there are a lot of programmers used to that.
6) Hardware is no problem, every cool android hardware is gonna hace its WP7 version.


RE: Not Good Enough
By mcnabney on 9/27/2010 9:49:06 AM , Rating: 2
SO...
1. It acts like a Zune
2. It acts like a Zune
2.5. I hate Apple
3. It also has an monthly service feature.
4. Xbox Live - guarantees nothing
5. Far more used to Flash
6. Me too

I still don't see a compelling reason. Something new and desireable is clearly missing for a late market arrival. The only thing that they could do to be competitive to Android would be to come out in the same model with a lower price. Somehow, I don't see that happening. Is MS still charging $50 per license? If they do you can expect equipment manufactures to price the MS phones higher than the Android phones for the same equipment.


RE: Not Good Enough
By bodar on 9/24/2010 9:14:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yet any Android user can download PDAnet and tether their laptop with their charging cable or even Bluetooth. Yeah, some people may not know what it is, but it's one of those features that make people say, "oh sweet, gimme!" when they find out.

Froyo adoption is about 28% right now, not including the update for Droid X that came out a few days ago and all Galaxy S phones still not available yet.


RE: Not Good Enough
By jezzza234 on 9/24/2010 5:13:57 PM , Rating: 3
Erm Silverlight definitely IS supported, since its the engine for development. Its Silverlight for the mobile apps and XNA for games.


RE: Not Good Enough
By B3an on 9/24/2010 11:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
You're correct, and any fool should know this as it's a big part of the OS, yet that poster gets up rated.

I also read ages ago that Flash was confirmed by Adobe and Microsoft back in March/April.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Gholam on 9/26/2010 2:33:41 AM , Rating: 2
Silverlight is the framework for apps, yet there is no Silverlight plugin support in the native browser. Go figure.


RE: Not Good Enough
By inperfectdarkness on 9/25/2010 11:51:44 AM , Rating: 2
it just makes the "funeral" that MS just held for its competition that much funnier; because MS is full of epic fail.


RE: Not Good Enough
By drycrust3 on 9/25/2010 2:04:54 PM , Rating: 2
When I heard about the funeral thoughts of Hitler toasting the defeat of the Russians at Stalingrad came to mind, especially as he was toasting their defeat just before the Russians launched their counter-attack.
Microsoft doesn't have a product that no one else has, or a product that is equal to what others have but they can market it better, or a product which is slightly inferior but they can supply it cheaper, which was what happened in the past.
Instead they will have a product for sale while their competition already is supplying cheaper; they have a product that is holding back manufacturers, but their competition is on hardware that is selling in huge numbers; they have a product that is perceived as inferior and costs more; and they have a product that is crawling to a launch date while their competitors have done several major upgrades.
My guess is by the time they launch they will have pretty well missed the boat for tablets as well.
Shortly after that, they will have to devote huge resources to dealing with a rising tide of malware, which will push users into running other OSes that are much more malware resistant.


RE: Not Good Enough
By bill4 on 9/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Not Good Enough
By Mitch101 on 9/25/2010 12:50:49 PM , Rating: 1
Windows Phone 7 lacks? Are you sure? You havent tried one. Much like people who tell everyone how bad the zune is but then when they try it they realize its pretty damn good.

Copy/paste - Easy enough to add. The iPhone didnt have it for ages and people still managed fine. Sure it will be added.

Multitasking - It does multitask the important core apps and not everything needs it.

Side loading (EVERYTHING must go through MS, oh joy) - While I dont have a mobile 7 device there is an option in the development tools to use the device to test with instead of using the emulator. There are a lot of Zune HD applications and games that sideload into a Zune HD and It appears mobile 7 possibly can as well.

Native code support is absent (for now) - Dont care its not an open os and they give you plenty of development tools.

No file system (leaving categorization to Apps only) - Doesnt seem to effect any developer you have access to files like pictures etc from developed apps. Opening the file system potentially opens it up to hackers and viruses which is why were probably seeing droid get some so early.

Tethering - Again most are locked from the carrier but unlocked through applications.

Backwards compatibility - Haivng to support the dying mobile device platform would put Microsoft at a disadvantage to Droid and iPhone its the exact reason the Window Mobile market was dying. They had to start fresh. If you need legacy support buy a $40.00 GPS they run the old Window CE OS.

No Skype (or any VoIP) - These are generally carrier reasons like iPhone denied it because AT&T wanted you to use your minutes. Take up the issue with the carrier. iPhone would prefer to sell devices and care less where you get your service from.

No Flash, HTML5, or Silverlight - Flash is horrendous on an iPhone, Next to no one is using HTML5 still most companies are still using IE6 sucks I agree, Silverlight is part of development for the Mobile 7 device how did you miss that?

Very limited VPN support - Can be resolved in an app but thsts more of a corporate request.

No CDMA until 1Q2011 - Phone Carrier design issue nothing to do with the OS.


RE: Not Good Enough
By B3an on 9/25/2010 1:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Flash is horrendous on an iPhone


...Flash is not available on the iPhone.
Funny how you missed out android 2.2 though which happens to run Flash perfectly fine... and it's a big thing if this wasn't to be supported on Win7 Phone, because of the millions of free games, applications and websites that use it. One of the biggest google search terms for iPhone users is "Flash Player".

Not an issue though... because Flash will be on Win7 Phone. As i mentioned right above.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Gholam on 9/26/2010 2:46:02 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Copy/paste - Easy enough to add. The iPhone didnt have it for ages and people still managed fine. Sure it will be added.


Question is, when? It took Apple years to add it, how long will it take Microsoft?

quote:
Multitasking - It does multitask the important core apps and not everything needs it.


How about letting the users decide who needs it and who doesn't? But we'll come back to it.

quote:
Native code support is absent (for now) - Dont care its not an open os and they give you plenty of development tools.


There's quite a bit of stuff that can't be done in Silverlight/XNA due to platform limitations.

quote:
Tethering - Again most are locked from the carrier but unlocked through applications.


...and on WP7, without native support, impossible to implement due to platform limitations that have nothing to do with carriers.

quote:
No Skype (or any VoIP) - These are generally carrier reasons like iPhone denied it because AT&T wanted you to use your minutes. Take up the issue with the carrier. iPhone would prefer to sell devices and care less where you get your service from.


Again, nothing to do with carriers. Silverlight doesn't do sockets, so VOIP is impossible.

quote:
Very limited VPN support - Can be resolved in an app but thsts more of a corporate request.


No it can't; as there is no multitasking or sockets. Even if you could make a VPN client for WP7, it'd be useless, as you wouldn't be able to actually do anything while it's active, or you'd break the connection.

-----------------

I'm a current WM6.1 user, and was looking forward to switching to WP7 when it comes out, but the long list of missing features - lack of tethering being the proverbial straw - has pushed me into the Android camp. Looks like I'll be getting a Milestone 2 or a Desire Z, whichever first becomes available in my country.


RE: Not Good Enough
By bupkus on 9/27/2010 3:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
In this case RTM means released to the public for Beta testing.


So, what's next?
By micksh on 9/24/10, Rating: 0
RE: So, what's next?
By Taft12 on 9/24/2010 3:17:36 PM , Rating: 2
But the first generation iPhone from 2007 was a smash hit, therefore.....


RE: So, what's next?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/24/2010 3:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But the first generation iPhone from 2007 was a smash hit, therefore.....


...Apple customers are like Porsche customers; they'll buy anything with the right logo on it (see: Panamera, Cayenne).


RE: So, what's next?
By hypocrisyforever on 9/24/2010 3:39:01 PM , Rating: 2
First off, I agree with the comparison of porche to Apple. It's pretty good ;-). But, it's not entirely true. When the iphone first came out, it was cutting edge tech. That is why a lot of people got it, me included. There was nothing that could compete for 2 years afterwards. Once better tech came out, we migrated (in my case, evo). So, it isn't an exact comparison and we aren't all attached to the logo. In fact, I'll be damned if I ever use a mac. lol


RE: So, what's next?
By Taft12 on 9/24/2010 4:05:21 PM , Rating: 2
Brandon didn't get my post, but the point is MS is copying a 3-year-old success hoping to achieve the same result.


RE: So, what's next?
By ekv on 9/25/2010 2:55:43 AM , Rating: 2
Hey! You're putting down my Porsche, man. Come on, that's not fair! Have a heart 8)


U R Funny People
By TxJeepers on 9/24/2010 9:45:35 PM , Rating: 4
Really, you are too funny to me. Give me a break, Mobile 7 is going to be great for the masses, just like Android and iPhone are. Now you funny little techno gadget nerds will bitch about anything, while the majority still think its cool just to be able to get email, surf the net and do their Facebook/ Twitter from their phone. Now if I could only get my hands on a N8 from Nokia (now that's a smartphone).




RE: U R Funny People
By bill4 on 9/26/2010 8:39:21 AM , Rating: 2
You must be European. Only Europeans seem to think Backwards ass Nokia phones are cool :0

Seriously the N8 looks already underpowered compared to major phones like Droid X, Evo, and Galaxy S. Not even to mention it will have some horrible Nokia OS that also lacks apps.

I just got rid of a nokia 5800 a while ago, horrible phone. I'd rather use a cheap dumbphone. Horrible browser, nasty resistive touchscreen, the phone was just torture. Upgrading from that to a Captivate was an unbelievable difference.

But seriously, name one area the N isn't already seriously underspecced, never mind the lack of a decent OS? 3.5" screen? Way too small nowdays imo, and thats the most important spec on a phone. Does it have a gorgeous samoled like my Capty? Does it have a blazing SGX 540 GPU, and 1 GHZ CPU at least? Well no, not that either...

About the only thing I'm sure you'll reply with is the 12 MP camera, well big whoop, megapixels dont determine how good the camera actually is anyway, and the camera is just an minor use of your phone, a side feature, not near as important as say a big screen. The 5 MP cam on my Galaxy S is great, just going to show all these MP's aren't needed.


RE: U R Funny People
By Penti on 9/26/2010 1:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
Well he can't be a smart phone guy. Even Nokia is miles away from where Microsoft's at now. QT framework, POSIX-support, advanced features and Java ME. No problem with multitasking, running native apps, run apps from outside an app store, or running apps in an none-native code environment like a Java ME VM. How could you argue that WP7 will be a success when it can't even match Symbian from years ago? WP7 will not even be able to compete with Samsung's Bada OS. So how exactly would it be enough? An S40 phone certainly can't compete with real smart phones why should MS be able to do it then? Just mail and a browser isn't enough, it needs to be a decent browser (new webkit och Gecko that is), mail client needs to be good, mail client should be upgradeable and it needs to support simple stuff like attachments. Stuff that MS can't handle yet. People don't just want a browser, apps are way more useful then the browser and a browser needs to be good. It not only needs a media player for music it also needs to support stuff like Spotify, Pandora etc, which works best when some multitasking features are there.

Simply WP7 will suck a lot of juice requiring high-end hardware but deliver no high-end features or even anything the last gen WM OS could, delivering no familiarity or continuance. At least S40 and Bada can run on low-end hardware. Still can deliver more of a user experience. It's simply not enough.

N8 is just a step on the way though, I don't care for MPs and it only counts when it's a decent camera, the N8's is OK. It's a good ground to build from, just not really a flagship device. But certianly good enough that it can't be compared to silly WP7 devices. Kin should have showed you that you can't deliver an incomplete product without apps even if you have decent hardware and "facebook" support. Turning WinCE into a featurephone platform just doesn't work. And a feature phone with smart phone hardware is just a bad idea. Masses will not buy the 600 dollar devices needed to use the zunified device. Zune doesn't even exist here in Sweden and never will if I'm correct. Basically syncing with the Zune app will be the only feature of the expensive device and music playing is fine on 100 dollar phones now, even online services such as Pandora or whatever. If you like anything more low end that actually means syncing up with your music app, then I'm sure some $50-100 dollar S40, Samsung, SE, LG with their proprietary stuff built on own tech/interfaces and third party software etc device would do fine, or a future 80 dollar Bada OS phone. A $600 dollar WP7 phone just don't compete with them and it won't run on the $50 hardware. WP7 simply don't fit in the category for the masses and they have lost all business appeal so it can't compete against BB either, and it's too incomplete to compete against it any way. People want to do more on a high-end phone then to listen to their Zune music and make phone calls, which is why the WP7 strategy won't work. It can do less then the above posters old useless 5800. The development environment might look good in theory but they are too late.

It might be more successful later but not at launch. I mean, they don't have proper facebook support even, the "mix" concept will fail, Zune integration will fail in most places of the world, it's not better for office files then any other phone it's actually worse for editing documents, it doesn't have a decent email app/client and so on. It's just a framework with no apps to be the base of the OS. The WP7 hardware requirements mandated by MS will make it fail as it won't be some easy accessible device for the masses. Software are primitive even by old Symbian standards. It doesn't even have a modern browser, updating the old rendering engine might not be enough.

Would your really pay $60 a month or whatever to use a WP7 phone if it's that incomplete? Of course not. I'm sure people want more then their live mail mails and Zune music.


RE: U R Funny People
By robinthakur on 9/27/2010 9:30:57 AM , Rating: 2
Well I'm from the UK and can categorically tell you that using a Nokia phone would be like going back in time, having used the iPhone since 2007. Nokia have been hampered by their own arrogance and inflexibility, unwilling or unable to match the iOSs and Androids of this world by their adherence to a OS roadmap which should have changed when the original iPhone made their OS look like the dated dinosaur it is. Sony Ericsson took the hint and are slowly getting to grips with Android, but their brand is pretty devalued still from the olden pre-iPhone days.

In a way Nokia are in a similar place to MS this time around, playing catch up with a brand new OS (Maemo and W7 respectively)

Resistive touch screens, The Ovi store, Comes with Music, the N96, N97 and the rest of their marketing initiatives have been shabolic and expensive failures, and Nokia Dev's must be watching App Store developers jealously, reaping the benefits without a horribly fragmented target market of incompatible OS's and frustrated yet undemanding users. The only thing masking what a big hit Nokia has taken is that they never have really sold vast volumes in the US, it's mainly the rest of the world, otherwise they would have lost more market share.

MS is, IMO, looking at another expensive failure with WP7. The market simply doesn't want further fragmentation right now with yet another platform to develop for, it's really getting silly. It is now between iOS and Android with RIM increasingly on the side. If MS could have wrangled backwards compatibility into it that might have helped a little bit, but they are effectively starting from scratch again with an immature platform seemingly apeing Apple from 4 years ago, and hoping to build on the Zune brand which has been a monumental failure despite some nice recent hardware (it's not even released in the UK). The problem is that they do not have the luxury of Apple's position in the market or their profitability, and the goal posts have significantly shifted in all this time that Microsoft has effectively not had a presence in the mobile market. Microsoft is battling just to even stay in the game this time around, and their platform is not even launched yet. How clueless and disconnected must their management be exactly?


Not a hard feature
By MozeeToby on 9/24/2010 2:26:45 PM , Rating: 1
Honestly, this isn't that hard. All you need is a pseudo-VPN server on the phone, a pseudo-VPN client on the computer, and IP over USB between the computer and the phone and you're done. There are several paid apps on the Droid that work this way (using the Droids USB debugging feature to get around the artificial restrictions imposed by the carriers) as well as at least one free, open source project. http://code.google.com/p/azilink/

(As an aside, can we please get an href tag? Having to paste the whole link into text rather than hyperlinking on the words 'open source project' is very frustrating to me for some reason)




RE: Not a hard feature
By Taft12 on 9/24/2010 3:16:48 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not quite sure your definition of "isn't that hard" aligns with 99% of smartphone users.


RE: Not a hard feature
By MozeeToby on 9/24/2010 3:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm talking about MS's developers, it isn't a hard feature for them to add to the phone. If you're talking about users bypassing their carrier to get it for free, it's still a pretty straightforward four step process to get it going.

1) Install app on your phone
2) Install software on the PC
3) Enable USB debugging on your phone
4) Click 'connect' on the PC app.

Now if you're baking this into the phone itself, you can fulminate steps 1, 3, and 4. Possibly even step 2 if you publish drivers for it that recognize when the phone is trying to tether. But my point was that developing tethering support is not a difficult or novel problem to solve, unless you think MS doesn't know how to write a VPN server and client.


RE: Not a hard feature
By GaryJohnson on 9/24/2010 4:29:40 PM , Rating: 2
This has nothing to do with the difficulty of implementation, and has everything to do with the carriers wanting you to pay more to tether.


RE: Not a hard feature
By hughlle on 9/24/2010 3:50:21 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't amtter what the user can manage, microsoft are more than capable i'd have though, for some small reason.


Wouldn't it be nice if...
By Motoman on 9/24/2010 3:29:51 PM , Rating: 2
...Microsoft would learn from the mistakes Apple makes, instead of repeating them?

At this point, WinMo7 is looking exactly as attractive to me as an iPhone. Which is to say, no way in hell I'd buy one.




RE: Wouldn't it be nice if...
By Pirks on 9/24/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wouldn't it be nice if...
By mcnabney on 9/24/2010 7:32:21 PM , Rating: 3
I think the reference was that the original iPhone launched in a very incomplete hardware portfolio. He wouldn't buy it because of all of the ommisions. Remember, just because something is lousy doesn't mean that people won't buy it. Just look at Justin Bieber and the Twilight movies.


RE: Wouldn't it be nice if...
By Pirks on 9/27/2010 10:01:27 AM , Rating: 2
MS also released XBox too early with faults/problems (RROD etc) and grabbed a big chunk from Sony's market this way. Apple did the same with iPhone. The difference here is: the Mototroll will spit and hiss at Apple and will keep his dirty yapper locked way tight when we ask him about THE SAME "errors" that MS made.

The Mototroll here is a clear case of a double standard. Early grab of market by MS is yes yes, early grab of the same kind from Apple is no no. What a pathetic Motofool he is.


ok
By valkator on 9/24/2010 2:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
Tethering is not that big of a deal. The phone looks promising and the only thing I can not get over is the home screen and how there is so much black empty space on the top and right. Everytime I see that screen it's like, errr just shift over and zoom in.




RE: ok
By Helbore on 9/24/2010 3:42:47 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call "lacking features that are commonplace in the competition" looking promising.

Seriously, I had been looking forward to WinMo7 for years as a die-hard WinMo user. I gave up the waiting game last year and bought an HTC Hero. But I still had hopes that WinMo7 would win me back. I loved the look of the early leaked stuff that came out. I still do.

Then Win Phone 7 hit and I've been decidedly underwhelmed ever since. It looks pretty slick, but I'll be giving it a pass for the same reason I passed on the iPhone when it came out - looking pretty doesn't make up for a lack of functionality.

Lack of tethering is just one more reason I won't be buying a Win Phone 7. Sure, it might come in a later release, but why would I care? My android phone can do it all now and will probably be doing even more by the time Microsoft catches up. Too little, too late and I doubt I'm the only old-time WinMo user who feels that way.

Such a shame.


RE: ok
By kmmatney on 9/24/2010 11:44:07 PM , Rating: 2
Tethering is a big deal if you use it a lot. I'm using it a lot more than I thought I ever would, and would not buy a phone that couldn't do it now. In my case, I'm using MyWi with a Jailbroken 3GS, which turns the phone into a wireless router.


Stop complaining!
By Chaser on 9/24/2010 6:53:08 PM , Rating: 2
It's going to have Xbox games ported to it. So there!




RE: Stop complaining!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/24/2010 7:17:17 PM , Rating: 2
But can it play Crysis?


RE: Stop complaining!
By xxsk8er101xx on 9/26/2010 12:59:20 PM , Rating: 2
android phones can play Crysis at max quality setting. Not only can it play crysis at max setting but it can also check your email while you view your porn at the same time. Multi tasking for the win!


Actually...
By Shadowself on 9/24/2010 2:44:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It wasn't until 2009 that the iPhone received copy/paste functionality, while multitasking and tethering didn't show up until this year.

Actually, tethering showed up on the iPhone in 2009. It just was not supported in the U.S. by AT&T even though the phone supported it. It was available almost immediately in some non U.S. regions of the world. Apple's weird variant of multitasking did take until this year.




RE: Actually...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/24/2010 2:48:55 PM , Rating: 3
You're right on the tethering, but push notifications are a poor excuse for multitasking.


Tethering
By SAmely on 9/24/2010 2:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
I watched a video about this phone where the guy (from Microsoft) talked about how they wanted to make this phone in their vision and not necessarily what their "partners" wanted them to do.

Well, this tethering thing seems like more pandering to the "partners" to me. Even considering the "how Microsoft wanted to do it" point of view seems pointless now.




RE: Tethering
By Taft12 on 9/24/2010 3:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
"Their vision" is driven by investors and PHB's, I don't see why it would have any features that aren't driven by $$$$


iPhone suppprts tethering
By hiscross on 9/25/2010 12:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
Bt either paying for it, or jailbreaking. If you stay on ios 3 there you can do it for free. About the only feature the iPhone doesn't support is flash, but nor does most mobile phones.




RE: iPhone suppprts tethering
By xxsk8er101xx on 9/26/2010 12:52:19 PM , Rating: 2
android phones with 2.2 supports flash! I just updated it yesterday. It being flash 10.1.

Guess what else the android phone can do? play games: *plays super mario on his phone


Incompetence
By GatoRat on 9/25/2010 1:08:41 PM , Rating: 2
The Windows Mobile department along with the embedded development department has taken incompetence to unbelievable levels. Microsoft owned this market and blew it due to complete lack of vision.

A similar thing has happened with Windows CE itself; it has huge gaps in functionality for no apparent reason. .NET Compact Framework is crap and has incompatibilities with regular .NET for absolutely no justified reason. The egos of the developers and managers got in the way of making a usable product.

Windows 7 is simply nothing short of awesome. Windows Mobile 7 is crap. Microsoft needs to fire the entire lot and start over.




I am curious to try the interface
By stm1185 on 9/25/2010 8:26:15 PM , Rating: 2
After trying out the Zune software and service (not the media player) and loving it immensely I am curious about the Windows phones interface and how much I might like it.

A lot of these features I really dont care about. Like tethering for a 3g signal on a network that is bandwidth capping me already.

What I would need it to do well for me to buy it over an Android phone is:
1. Be a good phone and messenger.
2. Be a good media player, mainly music.
3. Be a good web browser.
4. Be a good gaming device.
5. Have some outstanding feature to set it apart from Android; which for me might be the interface.




Fail
By espress0 on 9/26/2010 11:27:51 AM , Rating: 2
HAHAHAHA




Just buy an android phone
By xxsk8er101xx on 9/26/2010 12:48:05 PM , Rating: 2
Just buy an android phone and be happy like every one else I know who has an android phone including me :)

While enjoying your phone check out the market place that windows phone 7 doesn't have.

Ummm I think I just added one other thing it lacks :)




Better features on WinMO 6.5
By sapiens74 on 9/24/2010 10:02:08 PM , Rating: 1
So this is an upgrade?




RE: Better features on WinMO 6.5
By WikiChici on 9/25/10, Rating: 0
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