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Critical upgrade will bring copy and paste and other improvements

According to a post [translated] on Microsoft France's official Windows Phone 7 blog, the OS's first major update may be bumped back a week or two for unspecified reasons.  The post has since been edited, but not before many took note of it.  ZDNet blogger Mary Jo Foley claims that the update will be pushed back to March 21.

But wait, you say, didn't Microsoft just roll out an update to Windows Phone 7 handsets? Well it did, but that was just a minor update which included improvements to Windows Phone 7's update process (an update to updates, so to speak).  This update was rolled out in preparation for the major update -- which will bring features like copy and paste.

That preparatory update had some issues of its own, even killing some handsets.  Microsoft was quite open about these problems, discussing them at length.  But it eventually fixed these issues and the update to the updates process completed its rollout to WP7 customers.

So if the problem was fixed, what is responsible for this delay?  That's hard to say.  But it's possible that Microsoft is a bit spooked after its last update killed some users phones (which may be the fault of Samsung on the firmware side).  Microsoft may be taking a bit more of a reserved approach this time around, looking to test on all its hardware models before a widespread release.

In the grand scheme of things that's probably a decent idea and one or two weeks isn't going to make a huge difference to the average user.  However, the downside is that amid struggling sales, the delay will likely given the platform's detractors one more reason to prophecy the platform's doom.

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HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By jnemesh on 3/10/11, Rating: -1
RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By vignyan on 3/10/2011 10:06:05 PM , Rating: 3
There is world beyond the US

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By quiksilvr on 3/10/2011 10:16:05 PM , Rating: 1
No there isn't. ;p

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By FaceMaster on 3/11/2011 3:13:53 AM , Rating: 2
Yes there is. I should know, I'm there.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Aloonatic on 3/11/2011 7:02:33 AM , Rating: 2
Where you're living now is the US too, they just don't know it yet :o)

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By FaceMaster on 3/12/2011 11:46:37 AM , Rating: 2
Don't be silly, the Illuminati is where it's at.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Schadenfroh on 3/11/11, Rating: 0
RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By shortylickens on 3/13/2011 1:08:48 PM , Rating: 2
Proof or shens.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Hotdogah on 3/10/2011 11:25:26 PM , Rating: 5
I think you forget who threw the billion in to shut down their competitor. (Hint: it was Sony and they "won")

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By StraightCashHomey on 3/10/2011 11:42:39 PM , Rating: 3
Carriers cant GIVE the phones away right now, and even though Sprint and Verizon are going to offer WP7 phones, I dont think anyone really wants these things!

Android in 2008.

Also, I've already preordered my Arrive. Can't wait to test out it's Office 365 integration.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By StraightCashHomey on 3/10/2011 11:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously, I meant to italicize the first sentence to show that I'm quoting you.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Wolfpup on 3/11/2011 2:24:00 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know, Android's interface and fragmentation doesn't seem very good. I've been pretty underwhelmed. Right now WebOS and to a lesser extent Windows Phone 7 are the two mobile OSes that seem most promising to me.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/14/2011 4:20:17 AM , Rating: 2
Android still sucks. It amazes me that so many people can delude themselves that they're "satisfied" with that garbage platform.

iOS is way better, and Windows Phone 7 even in its current form is miles ahead of Android just based on its superior foundation. Apps are already getting there and feature patches are going to all be in place soon enough. I hope WebOS does well by HP, the pieces are there for a really good platform. And Google needs to stop their "bad parenting approach" to their mobile platform. Android is like the Windows 3.1 of mobile operating systems.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By inighthawki on 3/11/2011 2:01:16 AM , Rating: 3
As an owner of a Windows Phone, I can tell you that it is wonderful.

-The interface and UI is solid, smooth, and simply amazing to use.

-The performance of the devices is as good if not better than many other phones I've used, and will only get better as software updates improve general performance and browser performance (ie9 rendering engine eventually)

-The marketplace is building up quite quickly, and has a lot of free apps. The development for it is also brilliantly easy (C#/Visual Studio, XNA, and Silverlight are all a pleasure to use, and are all 100% free for anyone and everyone)

-It has exceptional integration with email, social networking (facebook, windows live, etc) xbox live, office

I think almost anyone who's used the device would agree that it is in fact a strong competitor to both iOS and Android (among the remainder of the competition), and if you haven't gotten the chance to use one of the devices yet and you are just bashing it because it's Microsoft, then I feel sorry for you since it's your loss. So yes, I do believe that over time Microsoft will grab a good share of current iPhone and Android users.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By themaster08 on 3/11/2011 3:16:59 AM , Rating: 2
I also own a Windows Phone, and I agree entirely.

Sure, it has its quirks, but most of them are to be ironed out in future updates, and for a first iteration OS it's very quick, stable and fluid. Overall I'm extremely happy with the device and would highly recommend to anyone.

There are a few things that really bother me though...

-I agree that the email integration is excellent, but I would like to have a visual notification on the live tile when I receive an email that has a rule set to save in a specific folder, instead of just the inbox. I have lots of rules set and many folders, and I have to manually view my folders to know that I have unread emails.

-Furthermore, it would be nice to have a notification at the top of the screen for emails, similar to that of messages and achievements.

-If you have new messages, it will show a number on the live tile, and when you open your messages, the message will be highlighted. However, without reading the messages and going back removes the number of new messages on the live tile. However it is still highlighted when you go back into messages. This is silly. Sometimes I have more than 1 unread message, reply to one, go back to the homescreen and completely forget that I have other unread messages.

-Windows Phone 7 really should have had integrated Windows Live Messenger on release. I find it kinda silly how Microsoft support it on every other platform besides their own!

-WiFi should stay on when I lock my phone. The only time it should go off is when I turn it off! This is annoying and consumes carrier data that otherwise would be consumed using my home internet.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Mitch101 on 3/11/2011 7:57:58 AM , Rating: 1
There have been some leaks that Apple has moved trolling/bashing from their television ads bashing Microsoft Windows is to hiring a number of people to post negative comments on forums and blogs about Windows OS but mainly Windows Phone 7 and Android devices. Supposedly under heavy contracts with a lot of repercussions if they reveal who they work for.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By JasonMick on 3/11/2011 9:27:15 AM , Rating: 2
Supposedly under heavy contracts with a lot of repercussions if they reveal who they work for.

If you're right, you may have just explained how TonySwash has so much time on his hands....

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Pirks on 3/11/2011 10:17:18 AM , Rating: 2
Mick, how much did MS pay you for "forgetting" to mention that IE8 was hacked in your yesterday's pwn2own coverage?

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By vignyan on 3/17/2011 9:00:51 PM , Rating: 2
I am pretty sure you are one of the apple's hire... :D
How else would you know that there was a negative comment on apple... or rather there was no positive comment about apple. or if apple was not mentioned in a technology forum...

hmm... Lets see... apple sucks! ;)

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Pirks on 3/11/2011 10:22:53 AM , Rating: 2
There have been some leaks that MS has moved trolling/bashing from their television ads hailing PC to hiring a number of people to post negative comments on forums and blogs about OS X but mainly iOS and Android devices. Supposedly under heavy contracts with a lot of repercussions if they reveal who they work for.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Murst on 3/11/2011 2:19:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have 4 issues that need addressing with my focus, and unfortunately, I haven't heard anything about when/if it will be implemented (except for the last one, which is supposed to happen 2nd half of year)

- Single inbox for multiple accounts
- ability to connect to wireless networks which are not broadcasting id
- work as a flash drive for anything that does not have zune software installed
- support HTML 5 in browser

Of course, I have also not received any notification that even the first WP7 update is available. So even if they release any of the above in the update in the next few weeks, I'll probably have to wait a few months (at least, and it might never happen) before I can update.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By themaster08 on 3/11/2011 2:46:55 PM , Rating: 2
- Single inbox for multiple accounts
- ability to connect to wireless networks which are not broadcasting id
- work as a flash drive for anything that does not have zune software installed
- support HTML 5 in browser
I'd also like these extra features. To add to the wireless networks, it'd be nice to be able to manually enter TCP/IP settings to connect to networks without DHCP enabled.

There are a lot of things that need to be smoothed out. We need to remember that Windows Phone is now a very mass consumer-oriented OS, but overall Windows Phone 7 is fantastic with an awful lot of potential. I'm sure Microsoft will smooth most, if not all of this out eventually.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/14/2011 4:10:24 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. Android never fooled me for a moment, it was a second rate operating system when it launched and it is second rate now.

Windows Phone 7 is really really great, and it'll only get better with the incoming patches. It is the first polished, legit competition to iOS at the moment. It totally deserves to compete and do well.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Aloonatic on 3/11/2011 7:24:08 AM , Rating: 1
Does anyone REALLY think that they have a snowball's chance in hell at gaining over 10% marketshare at this point? Carriers cant GIVE the phones away right now, and even though Sprint and Verizon are going to offer WP7 phones, I dont think anyone really wants these things!
This is one of the problems that MS has, being so late to the party.

People like you and I (probably) who actually want a smart phone and are willing to pay for the privilege have largely jumped into either the iPhone or an Android phone contract. There are a few who have had contracts end and can move over, and there are some die hard MS fans have either waited for WP7 or possibly even paid over the top to get WP7 device, but the majority of people who might wantusa a smart phone, even if they really want a WP7 phone, can't and won't, until they get one on a new contract.

I must admit, I've got a HTC desire, had it for a fair while now and it's good, but I can't say that I'm really in love with it enough to not think about moving over to WP7. I can't for another 7 or 8 months tho, and a lot of people are in the same boat. That's the problem that MS/WP7 has, and why it's perhaps unfair to make comments about their market share and growth. Yes, it says that they got their strategy wrong, but no, it does not mean that no one wants their phones and that they are no good/it's not a good OS.

The good news for MS is that:

Firstly, there are a lot of Android users (let's e honest, the main target group for MS) who bought into their Android phone just because it was the only other option apart from the iPhone, and they don't want to get sucked into the Apple system or just flat out have a problem with Apple.

Secondly, a lot of Android users are skin flints (like me :o) and I believe there are stats to back it up) and don't want to pay for apps, or pay for very few, which should make it pretty easy and painless to move over to WP7.

Thirdly, MS is a big enough company to be able to absorb the cost of sticking in there through this time when they are essentially waiting for much of the higher end smart phone using market to be able to move over when their contracts run out.

Personally, I'm quite excited about the Nokia deal. Can't say that I'm 100% OK with the idea of a company paying off another so that they don't let another OS on their devices, from a pure competition point of view, but ignoring that... Nokia quite often actually make pretty decent phones, hardware wise. I was an N80 user until my HTC Desire. Before that tho, I was a SonyEricsson user. Although, the longer they have been Sony, and the more time has passed since they were Ericsson, they seem to have gotten worse, which was why I moved back to Nokia.

Still exciting times in the smart phone market. And while I believe that most people who want to pay for a top of the line smart phone already have, I think that Nokia and MS (as well as others, of course) will be producing some excellent phones in the near future, hopefully well in time for my next contract renewal. :o)

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Gungel on 3/11/2011 7:36:59 AM , Rating: 1
What are you guys afraid of? You go on and on about how Windows Phone 7 is failing, but all I see is success. Last month 85% increase in WP7 handset web usage. Over 100% increase in sale for WP7 phones in Europe and tomorrow, WP7 Marketplace will be welcoming its 10,000's application in just over 3 month of opening. And all that without a full featured OS. Imagine what happens when WP7 is feature complete later this year and new Nokia handsets become available. Sales will skyrocket, why? because its the phone OS with the best user experience and the best development platform.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Da W on 3/13/2011 4:44:03 PM , Rating: 2
And Microsoft is poor at marketing, something Nokia will take care of to seel its phones.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Flunk on 3/11/2011 9:29:14 AM , Rating: 2
No, this reminds me more of the origional Xbox launch where Microsoft launched a new product that everything thought wouldn't do well and didn't sell many and then followed it up with a product that eventually became the market leader (Xbox 360).

I'm not saying that's what will happen, but the situation is much more analogous to the current Windows Phone 7 situation than the HDDVD thing where Microsoft decided to market an addon for a technology that eventually failed. Toshiba actually supplied the drives so I doubt they even lost any money on it.

RE: HD-DVD Deja-Vu?
By Aloonatic on 3/11/2011 10:12:57 AM , Rating: 2
The xBox 360 is the market leader? When did it out sell the Wii?

Looks like MS needs to sell another 30 odd million units yet, and Sony are not that far behind them.

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