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New version will bring the UI inline with Windows Phone

Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows 8 operating system was a bold and risky gambit, which traded familiarity for an innovative new graphically rich (some say too graphically rich) user interface.  Now the veteran operating system maker is eyeing more ambitious changes, notably a shift to an Apple, Inc. (AAPL)-like track of more frequent (perhaps annual) operating system releases.

I. Windows Blue to Land in 2013?

Originally thought to be a service pack, sources at Microsoft have been spilling word of an upcoming release called Windows "Blue" (perhaps a code-name) to ZDNet and The Verge in recent months.

According to the latest rumors, the 2013 release will be inexpensive or perhaps free, to incentivize upgrades.  And it will be a full operating system upgrade.  In this regard, the new development cycle Microsoft is moving towards closely resembles Apple's -- frequent, cheap operating system upgrades.

Microsoft is also planning a move that may shock and upset some developers -- it will reportedly release a new version of its SDK for Windows Blue, and at that point will stop accepting Windows Store apps built on the old Windows 8 SDK.  Again, this choice is a calculated tactic on Microsoft's part to push developers and users to embrace the new platform.

The new OS will also shift Microsoft's position regarding leniency for users upgrading from pirate versions.  With Blue, if you upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows 8, even if you bought a legitimate copy your Windows Store and the built-in-apps will still be bricked.

Windows Blue
[Image Source: NeoWin]

According to ZDNet, the term "Windows 9" has begun to creep into text in Microsoft employee postings, suggesting Microsoft may official dub the upcoming OS Windows 9, when it hits release next year.

Another report from Neowin suggests that the new operating system will move Windows 8 to using smaller Live Tiles, similar to those in Windows Phone 8.  This would seem to agree with The Verge's sources who suggest Windows Blue/Windows 9 will be part of an effort to complete the transition of Windows Phone and Windows (PC) into a single code-base and consistent user interface.  As part of this effort, Windows Phone may receive a corresponding "Blue" update, as well.

II. Are Windows Users Ready for Another Big Shift?

The news of the big shift in release cycles and upcoming new 2013 Windows release comes on the heels of Microsoft's first report on the health of Windows 8 sales.

In its release Microsoft announced that it had moved 40 million licenses in its first month of sales, despite no longer offering the free upgrades for purchasers who bought machines in the months leading up to the release (as it did with Windows 7).

Of course, critics will be quick to point that Microsoft reduced upgrade fees (albeit charging more of them), did not disclose its revenue associated with the upgrades, and did not disclose how many of its licenses sold to OEMs were resold.

Apple store NYC
Will Windows users embrace an Apple-like release schedule? [Image Source: Double DT]
Nonetheless, it appears Windows 8 wasn't the complete disaster some doomsayers predicted.  It should be interesting whether Microsoft's next big shift at least receives as warm a welcome as Windows 8.

Sources: ZDNet, The Verge, NeoWin

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In unrelated Microsoft news
By laviathan05 on 11/29/2012 2:08:50 PM , Rating: 2
they officially stated that prices for Surface Pro will start at $899 and that it will be released in early 2013.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By Vinas on 11/29/2012 3:26:38 PM , Rating: 3
Nobody would be running windows 8 if it wasn't $40. Heck a lot of folks got it for $15 with a coupon. Make no mistake, Windows 8 is not a success. It's just cheap.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By ppardee on 11/29/2012 4:37:25 PM , Rating: 2
So its your opinion that people who were perfectly happy with Windows Vista and Windows 7 would be willing to shell out $40 for something they had no use for but decided to buy because it was only $40 instead of $99/$199?

To paraphrase, you say that all Windows 8 users are women?

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By gladiatorua on 11/29/2012 7:06:26 PM , Rating: 3
Have you ever seen comments like "Steam sales ate all my money"? From mostly male audience.
People will upgrade to new shiny thing for $40. And there is an app store. With popularity of smartphones it's a good incentive to upgrade. For only $40.
And the share of tech-savvy and responsible consumers that tried beta or even pirated for a bit and saw some of the problems and potential implications of new Windows ideas is insignificant.
So upgrading is very reasonable. Not very good, but reasonable.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By V-Money on 11/29/2012 11:11:51 PM , Rating: 3
I did. Win7 was fine for all of my needs, but 40 bucks for the upgrade and not having to worry about it for years, why not. There is no way in hell I would have spent 200 bucks for Win8, but for 40 bucks I didn't mind. I actually kind of like the upgrade performance and stylewise, although admittedly I still use the classic desktop with the start bar.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By Sazabi19 on 11/30/2012 8:47:58 AM , Rating: 1
That is exactly what I did. I loved my Win 7 64 Ultimate but wanted to try Win 8 and see if it really sucked as much as I thought. Turns out it didn't, but I still have a few small problems with it, all of which I live with. The great part about it though, is that being able to use the key to active a Win 7 Pro build on a machine. Win 7 Pro x64 for $40? Yes please. I see nothing great about Win 8 over 7 accept (from what I personally use) boot times. I have 12 gigs of RAM, never noticed 7 eating up tons of RAM, always had enough. Ever try to pull up task manager? Guess what you HAVE to have open when you want to access that? Desktop. No Metro app for it, opens desktop and then task manager. If this was still $100-$200 for an upgrade and $200-$400 for a full version I wouldn't have touched it with a stick. I always get full versions of my OS (OEM/system builder). I have a feeling unless its $40 or below I won't go any father either. I may be on 7 for a while if this trend continues. Hell I have several things I can't get to work currently, java based games mind you, but stuff I can no longer access on my rig since I moved to 8. My Steam games however still work, the only reason I've yet to roll back to 7. Also, with Windows 8 Start Menu it helps. Get Aero back, boot straight to Desktop, and get my Start menu back, yes it is important to me, not everyone I know. Owned every Win OS since XP, next iteration may change that cycle.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By Mr Perfect on 11/30/2012 10:34:58 AM , Rating: 2
Someone else mentioned that 8 Pro keys work as 7 Pro keys. You can just plug a Windows 8 Pro key into a bare-metal Windows 7 DVD instal and it accepts it? That's pretty sweet.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By Sazabi19 on 11/30/2012 11:44:20 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure now. I read a link someone posted above and it says only OEM versions can do this, it seems as though a call to MS may also have to be done. I would do more research before I bought a key to downgrade to 7. You may just get stuck with 8 that way.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By Chadder007 on 11/29/2012 7:21:48 PM , Rating: 3
I'd like to know how many actual "Activations" have been done, as Microsoft is counting the licenses sold to OEMs also that have products shipped.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By craniumbox on 11/29/2012 11:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
So does that go the same for osx?

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By 91TTZ on 11/29/12, Rating: 0
RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By crispbp04 on 11/29/2012 5:37:03 PM , Rating: 3
Corporations including my own are lining up to get surface pro. Every sales person in america can ditch their laptop and ipad and trade up for a single device that gives them both. Clue in to reality. You can quote old articles all you want but don't quit your day job, you're clearly not cut out for forecasting the future.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By jingle10 on 11/29/2012 6:04:00 PM , Rating: 2
I second this. Won't necessarily be a Surface though. We are evaluating a number of Pro tablets to replace a fleet of iPad's and the notebooks that are still needed to support them.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By Belard on 12/2/2012 3:34:29 PM , Rating: 2
... and explain how the Win8Pro tablet of today is any different than the Win7Pro tablets that have been selling for the past 2 years?!

Yep.. HP and Samsung have only added a physical HOME button and using slightly newer intel tech (with or without Win8) - otherwise, its the same hardware from a year ago... yet they are NOT mainstream devices.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By jingle10 on 12/12/2012 5:48:37 PM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right but users don't want to be in Windows. They wanted iPad's for the simplicity for general functionality. We have high hopes that Win8's tablet interface will be a good place to live too (once it becomes familiar). However, they will no longer require laptops as they can always drop into the desktop for real work. That's a big saving on capex and maintenance, not to mention data plans etc. Then there is carting everything around. I dumped my iPad as I got sick of carrying both an iPad and a laptop to do my job, so I went with the one that did everything. But there is certainly things I miss in the tablet form factor.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By alcalde on 11/29/2012 10:11:41 PM , Rating: 3
You could always get x86 tablets. The Surface Pro isn't some magical wonder device that introduces some new law of physics to attain something never seen before. It's just another x86 tablet. You can also buy convertable tablet/laptops from excellent business device manufacturers like Lenovo today.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By 91TTZ on 11/30/2012 3:51:41 PM , Rating: 2
If you look at my past opinions on technology news you'll see that I've been pretty damn accurate. This is more you can say about most of the morons who jump on every bandwagon that comes your way thinking it's "the next big thing"

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By gladiatorua on 11/29/2012 7:31:36 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft will fail if they are going to market Surface Pro as a tablet.
Before iPad tablets were what Surface Pro is now and occupied similar pricepoints. Apple redefined tablets by growing smartphones instead of shrinking laptops.
And I doubt that MS tablets will be as successful(read cheap) as competition from other manufacturers for W8(RT or not) platform.

The product niche itself looks promising, though. Would love to see Asus products similar to Transformer series where keyboard will play the role of a dock instead of being just an accessory.

RE: In unrelated Microsoft news
By gladiatorua on 11/29/2012 7:59:49 PM , Rating: 2
Looked up new Asus Transformer Book line.
This looks like Pro. Cost more, has more functionality and beefier hardware.
Surface Pro looks worthy of an Atom, lower pricepoint and Plus instead of Pro.

By Cannyone on 11/29/2012 1:52:39 PM , Rating: 3
Why have a "mobile UI" on a desktop PC in the first place? Blue just sounds like what they've wanted for years... a subscription based OS. Which might be ok. But probably not if they keep forcing their Mobile UI on us.

RE: Why?
By geddarkstorm on 11/29/2012 2:13:16 PM , Rating: 1
It's a good question, but if we look at other industry rumors we may see a potential logic to their actions.

If Semiaccurate is correct, and they have been correct more often than not, Intel's successor to next years Hanswell processors, Broadwell, will be a BGA CPU only. That is, no Socket, but a SoC. In short, Intel is moving away from developing for the transitional desktop/laptop and more towards a mobile model. At the same time, Microsoft is moving its OS away from the desktop focused environment, to a mobile focus.

In the next few years, the entire industry may begin ditching the desktop as we've known it, and gearing towards intergrated PCs and mobile devices.

This still leaves AMD, though, but it's looking like the tech giants are preparing to relegate the desktop to a nitch market.

RE: Why?
By 91TTZ on 11/29/2012 3:57:07 PM , Rating: 5
The desktop and laptop market isn't going anywhere. You've been falling for the hype. In the past couple of years the news has been dominated by mobile offerings, but only because they're new. The PC market is becoming more mature and obsolescence is no longer the driving factor it used to be. People are keeping their PCs much longer than they used to. In 2007 you probably wouldn't have considered an 8 year old Pentium-2 running Windows ME as being usable. But it's almost 2013 and there are plenty of people running Windows XP on a Core 2 Duo. Windows XP came out in October, 2001 and millions of people still use it. How many people were still running Windows 3.1 in 2003? PCs are becoming like home appliances. They fulfill a purpose and you use them until they break.

But the mobile market is still relatively new. It hasn't reached maturity yet. Things are evolving quickly and people are throwing away perfectly usable phones because they seem so obsolete compared to newer offerings. I had to chuck my iPhone 3G last year because it was obsolete. It was only 3 years old. When the iPad came out everyone wanted a tablet and they sold like crazy, even at $500. Now many of those people feel that their iPad is obsolete so they threw down another $500 and bought an iPad 2, 3, or 4.

But profit margins are quickly falling for mobile devices. A few years ago the only tablets you could buy were several hundred dollars. Since they were relatively inexpensive to make there was a lot of profit made on those devices. Now you can get some quality devices for under $200. Low-cost tablets are coming to dominate the industry at a time when the heavyweights such as Microsoft are still trying to establish themselves in the industry with high-price devices. It isn't going to work. Already, Apple (#1 in the tablet market) is feeling the pressure and being forced to sell a smaller, stripped down version of the iPad in order to fend off companies with their lower-cost offerings.

It's just like watching sports news- every year you see analysts saying that this kid is going to be the next Joe Montana or Barry Sanders... only to have those predictions not pan out. What you end up getting is a lot of average players who nobody remembers.

RE: Why?
By Mitch101 on 11/29/2012 2:55:40 PM , Rating: 3
In all honesty I barely notice Im using Windows 8 and not Windows 7. It really works perfectly fine with the mouse and keyboard.

What I dont like is when I close out of the images it opens and brings me to the start menu where I would prefer it just drops me out to my desktop instead. Im one of those who pins everything I need. Start is really for barely used apps.

BTW DT you might want to update your CSS encoding when you log in go to post in IE on Windows 8 the text box area is the size of a postage stamp.

RE: Why?
By Miqunator on 11/29/2012 4:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
Probably depends on how you used Win7. The feature I liked most about Win7 was the ability to pin programs to the Taskbar and Start Menu.

Having to open the Win8 Start Screen (fullscreen) every time I launched an app (that immediately sent me back to the desktop) never started to feel smooth. This jumping back and forth between styles just started to feel increasingly frustrating and using the argument that you barely have to use the Start Screen and still able to use to OS isn't a good defense imo.

I'd love to get many of the improvements Win8 brings but the amount of effort and frustration I would have to put up to get used to the interface simply isn't worth it (even if I have to waste the available 15€ upgrade option)

RE: Why?
By datdamonfoo on 11/30/2012 4:57:50 PM , Rating: 2
You can still pin items to the taskbar, you know this right?

RE: Why?
By Belard on 12/2/2012 3:42:21 PM , Rating: 2 the thing to do, is to PIN all the programs and apps or whatever from the crappy Start Screen (which is functionally useless) to your desktop and task bar?

RE: Why?
By alcalde on 11/29/2012 10:14:46 PM , Rating: 2
>BTW DT you might want to update your CSS encoding when you log in go
>to post in IE on Windows 8 the text box area is the size of a postage

Tell us again how
>... I barely notice Im using Windows 8 and not Windows 7. It really works perfectly fine....

You're experiencing a Windows 8/IE bug, not a website bug, as the rest of us don't see that problem.

RE: Why?
By maugrimtr on 11/30/2012 8:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
It's a website bug. Dailytech doesn't display on Firefox correctly either (on FF 10 the section holding comment links is a large black band (instead of a smaller white strip). Whoever writes the CSS is not being cross-platform friendly.

RE: Why?
By TakinYourPoints on 11/29/2012 10:03:41 PM , Rating: 3
And Valve, as usual, is way ahead of the game.

It looks like their contingency plan of doing Steam for Linux is making more sense every day.

RE: Why?
By xti on 12/1/2012 3:27:44 PM , Rating: 1
anything with <some game> and neer going to make sense.

Win 7 Desktop option
By merc14 on 11/29/2012 3:00:29 PM , Rating: 3
I am guessing that 9 will be 64 bit only. Also, they should make a "traditional desktop" an easy option in the personalize section as that change alone would open it up to a much wider audience. The present configuration on desktop feels disjointed and not well thought out.

RE: Win 7 Desktop option
By haukionkannel on 11/29/2012 3:08:15 PM , Rating: 2
Not likely. Intel next Atom CPU is still 32 bit, so win 8 will be allso 32bit... You can not win against market leader...

RE: Win 7 Desktop option
By alcalde on 11/29/2012 10:26:28 PM , Rating: 3
You have understand the reasoning. The present configuration is NOT because it works well on the desktop. The present configuration is because Sinofsky argued toe-to-toe with Ballmer to convince him that the only way Win8 tablets and phones were going to sell would be basically leveraging the monopoly by forcing users to learn the Metro UI so that when they go into a store for their next phone/tablet they'll choose the Metro one because they don't want to have to learn a new UI. Even the VP of WinPhone said in a conference call that soon Metro would be the world's most familiar UI, "...and that's great for our phone business".

Now does the existence of Metro on the desktop make sense? Now does being forced to use the Metro start screen make sense? Now does MS disabling the registry key to bypass Metro make sense? Now does the firing of Sinofsky make sense? :-)

As David Gerwitz of ZDNet put it, desktop users are "being thrown under the bus" for a shot at the mobile market.

I doubt with so much riding on it that MS will backtrack in a few months' time. People need to stop with the Stockholm Syndrome and say heck no to being force-fed Metro and having their desktop systems locked down to only being able to install apps from the Windows store (with MS pushing developers to WinRT library (Metro), a move which Blue will hasten with its own new SDK that needs to be used). Even Apple hasn't had the cajones to try that yet, but they've been inching there over the last three OS X releases and you can be sure that they'll follow suit if they see MS get away with it. Users have to stop the petty fanboy wars and Windows, OS X, Linux and BSD users need to stand together and stop their PCs from becoming appliances both on the software and hardware (Intel BGA) sides.

RE: Win 7 Desktop option
By safcman84 on 11/30/2012 9:25:44 AM , Rating: 2
MS wont stop you installing non windows store apps on their Windows 8 PCs.

Windows 8 RT and Phone will be (and are)closed systems, but not the full version of Win 8.

Windows 8 does not change anything compared to Windows 7 except giving you a start screen instead of a start menu. I dont see the issue with that. I have it, use it and I am going to keep it.

The only negative thing about "metro" that I can see is that I can't figure out how to make apps from the app store NOT install on the system drive - as it is a SSD and I only want a select few programs to be installed on it. but then again, I dont really buy apps from the app store, so it isnt a major issue. hell, it might even be possible to do it but I havent taken the time/effort to really look into it yet.

RE: Win 7 Desktop option
By alcalde on 11/30/2012 11:05:22 PM , Rating: 2
>MS wont stop you installing non windows store apps on their
>Windows 8 PCs.

MS does stop users from installing Metro apps on Windows 8 PCs. Every new feature of Windows 8 is in the new WinRT library. Developers are being pressured to move to WinRT. When they do, Windows Store becomes the only installation option. "Blue" and its new SDK is another move designed to push developers to WinRT. I wish people would stop saying "you can install desktop apps". That's fine until there aren't desktop apps. MS even attempted to disable their ultra-popular Visual Studio Express from being able to develop non-Metro apps until there was an outcry and they decided to put the ability to target the desktop back in. We've seen this same thinking on OS X:

Apple introduces OS X Store: "It's just an option; you can still install whatever you want."
Apple adds option to only allow software to be installed from OS X Store: "No big deal; it's just something someone can turn on for extra security. It's not even the default."
Apple makes it the default in OS X Mountain Lion: "It's no big deal; you can go in and turn it off when you get your Mac/after you upgrade."

One guess as to what the next step is for OS X in either the next release or the one after, especially if Microsoft gets away with Windows Store on the desktop? That option to disable quietly disappears. Some OS X users have seen the writing on the wall and at least one popular Apple blogger (who predicted all of those moves before they happened) announced he was switching to Ubuntu as a result because he knew what was coming next. Now a segment of Windows users are doing the same thing, ignoring the completely obvious pattern about what's going on here. One's an incident, two's a coincidence, three's a pattern. Metro UI registry tweak removed, WinStore lock-down, attempt to pull desktop devel from VS Express, NYT reveals Sinofsky pitched mandatory Metro to Ballmer, VP of WinPhone conference call in which he touts desktop Metro as good for WinPhone sales, now Blue? That's a pattern.

>Windows 8 RT and Phone will be (and are)closed systems, but not
>the full version of Win 8.

Blue converges Windows 8 and Windows phone both on the kernel/software side AND THE PROGRAMMING SIDE. If you write for Win8 you'll have to use Blue SDK and Blue SDK also applies to the phone. In effect, MS is forcing anyone who wants to sell Metro apps through their store - and they can't get their Metro apps onto your PC any other way - to develop for the phone too! What's being locked down are the developers themselves! They're being coerced into making every Metro app they write also runnable on a WinPhone and Tablet if they want to develop for the Metro desktop, and given Windows is a monopoly, that's somewhat of a necessity, at least for the time being. You don't see this as a problem? Microsoft store also dictates how the software must perform, including startup time of two seconds or less. Don't expect to see complex games using the WinRT library! It also excludes certain software licenses, such as GPLv3. Microsoft will have a heck of a lot more control over most of the world's PCs than it's ever had before.

>Windows 8 does not change anything compared to Windows 7 except
>giving you a start screen instead of a start menu.

Really? Have you noticed that all Metro apps run on full screen, even on a 27" monitor, for starters, and can't overlap? All because MS' goal (which I can't believe you can't see) is to make every desktop app also runnable on a smart phone - even if the developer doesn't want to?

>I dont see the issue with that. I have it, use it and I am going
>to keep it.

Two words: Stockholm Syndrome.

RE: Win 7 Desktop option
By WinstonSmith on 11/30/2012 9:47:17 AM , Rating: 2
"You have understand the reasoning. The present configuration is NOT because it works well on the desktop. The present configuration is because Sinofsky argued toe-to-toe with Ballmer to convince him that the only way Win8 tablets and phones were going to sell would be basically leveraging the monopoly by forcing users to learn the Metro UI so that when they go into a store for their next phone/tablet they'll choose the Metro one because they don't want to have to learn a new UI."

Thank you! Win8 is a strong arm move that has nothing to do with any kind of desktop OS "upgrade," but is, instead, a touchscreen OS for tablets and smart phones forced onto the desktop. Thus, it's a compromise OS, not one optimized for desktop PC use. Note that the Microsoft Win8 TV commercials show only touchscreen devices being used.

Usability Expert: Windows 8 on PCs is Confusing, a Cognitive Burden


"Windows 8 is optimized for content consumption rather than content production and multitasking. Whereas content consumption can easily be done on other media (tablets and phones), production and multitasking are still best suited for PCs. Windows 8 appears to ignore that."

Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users

Repurposing vs. Optimized Design

RE: Win 7 Desktop option
By Fritzr on 12/2/2012 2:56:39 AM , Rating: 2
You are commenting on a Win8 x86 article.

Your expert is reviewing a WinRT ARM tablet that is Metro only.

The ARM tablets are equivalent to Android and iOS. All of the negatives apply to these two tablet families also and probably explains their (iOS & Android) total failure in the marketplace.

PCs are still dying
By vision33r on 11/29/2012 2:58:08 PM , Rating: 2
The 40mil licenses sold did not reflect PC sales. Traditionally people buy new PCs to get new Windows OS. PCs Sales have declined this quarter and Windows 8 did not jumpstart sales of PCs.

This means a lot of folks bought the cheap $40 Windows 8 upgrade to put on their old PCs.

RE: PCs are still dying
By 91TTZ on 11/29/2012 4:03:19 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, no.

Microsoft said that they've "moved" 40 million Windows 8 licenses. That means that they sold copies to OEMs to install on their PCS, whether they actually sell those PCs or not.

As you said, PC sales were down and Windows 8 did not motivate people to buy new PCs. But the OEMs still bought Windows 8 licenses from Microsoft, and Microsoft made its money whether those PCs sell or not.

RE: PCs are still dying
By Belard on 12/2/2012 5:46:27 PM , Rating: 2
Its 30+ days since the release of Windows8... I still don't KNOW anyone personally who has bought a Win8 PC or upgraded.

*IF* I liked Windows8, I would have thrown my $40 x 3 PCs already. The price is best ever from MS... but the product is crap. Its still not worth $1 for me to install it.

I was running Win7 RC on 3 of my PCs till 2 months after it went to retail (in case there were bugs)... We didn't get a release candidate. Just the 8400 preview which had the better looking AERO skin before MS went out of their way to make Windows ugly.

Someone here is reading those posts ..
By max_payne on 11/29/2012 5:48:16 PM , Rating: 2
Of course, critics will be quick to point that Microsoft reduced upgrade fees (albeit charging more of them), did not disclose its revenue associated with the upgrades, and did not disclose how many of its licenses sold to OEMs were resold.

That funny, quite a change from the earlier news about the 40 millions licences. Seems that DailyTech is reading the comments section.

Anyway as I mentioned before, don't rely on Microsoft news to tell you the truth. You did learn from your company internal memos that everything was rosy dozy ... before you got your pink slip ?

This is more in line with what is happening according the a market research firm (sorry for the re-post) ;

As for "blue", there is no point fighting right now over it.

By max_payne on 11/29/2012 11:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
Thursday November 29th news ;

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

Part of a Reuters tech news today which may be giving a clearer picture.

By MoneyisaScam on 11/30/2012 7:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
No one wants Win 8. But Microsoft says its a success...until later when they will admit it was a big failure. But might as well report that it is a success.

Apple said they sold out of Iphone 5's, when they first hit the market. But at my local Apple store there was no lines, you could walk right in and buy one.

These two companies just release false press for PR and image. I assume to try to get other people to jump on the bandwagon. But it is all for show. None of it is rooted in fact.

Good article
By Wererat on 12/3/2012 10:28:41 AM , Rating: 2
I normally don't praise Jason Mick's work here, but he's managed to state the news without giving an editorial for once and captured all the appropriate aspects (upgrade/online sales, PC sales, sales vs. activations) or veering off into a tablet article (unlike our comment thread). I also agree with his conclusion: the success of Win8 is TBD, but it's definitely not the failure its critics were hoping for.

I haven't bought Win8 yet, but I'm going to. It's $40, it's a faster boot and lower memory footprint, and sure, it has some app things too. My typical usage pattern at my machine is "check weather/news/mail/etc" which are great apps, before proceeding to game or work on a project (which aren't).

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