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Service pack expected to bring USB 3.0 support, RemoteFX, and various virtualization tweaks

It's no secret that Microsoft is following a more aggressive development schedule, which the wild success of Windows 7 can be partially contributed to.  The company is rumored to launch the successor, Windows 8, sometime late next year.  In the meantime, it's hard at work making the first Service Pack for Windows 7.  Windows 7 SP1 leaked back in April in very early form.

At the Tech-Ed conference today, Bob Muglia, President of Microsoft's server and tools business, announced two new features to arrive in Windows SP1: new virtualization tools and support of 3-D graphics over remote connections, called RemoteFX.

As Microsoft follows a less frequent release schedule than competitor Apple's OS X, Service Packs are a vital way to deliver new functionality and to package together bug fixes that have been delivered separately through Windows update.  The new functionality is handy to all customers, and the packaged fixes are handy to system administrators and system builders.

Windows 7 SP1 is no exception.  It's expected to collect many security patches and performance improvements.  Additionally it's widely expected to deliver Bluetooth and Wi-Fi optimizations.  And perhaps most importantly, it's expected to finally add support for the USB 3.0 standard.

Muglia did not discuss these points in detail.  But he did mention that the new Service Pack will come with virtualization tools to make cloud computing more approachable.  RemoteFX is a key part of this vision.  With RemoteFX, companies can deploy cheap thin clients (computers) that talk to the cloud.  Previously such clients were confined to a drab visual look, due to resource limitations.  RemoteFX uses host-side rendering to allow richer graphical environments complete with multiple displays, Aero and multimedia streaming.  This is similar to capabilities of the X Server in Linux (Linux users can use the "ssh -Y" command to tunnel host-rendered programs).

Microsoft senior director Gavriella Schuster followed Muglia's comments with a blog stating, "SP1 will simply be the combination of updates already available through Windows Update and additional hotfixes based on feedback by our customers and partners. In other words, customers can feel confident about deploying Windows 7 now!"

The company has reportedly bumped the beta of Windows 7 SP1 and it's sister server OS's first Service Pack, Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, from June to the end of July.  Windows Vista currently has two released Service Packs, while Windows XP has seen the release of three Service Packs.



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By vcolon on 6/8/2010 9:54:09 PM , Rating: 1
Have to wonder if they'll sneak in a Windows Genuine Version verifier.
The last sneak in was KB971033.




By bupkus on 6/9/2010 1:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
Hardly a sneak when the displayed description clearly reveals its intent to let the user know if their installation of Windows 7 is genuine or not.
Of course a black screen is a bit more than a notification.


By LRonaldHubbs on 6/9/2010 7:54:27 AM , Rating: 3
FFS, if the OS is good enough for you to continue using it, then just buy a legit version.


They need to fix search indexing
By AliShawkat on 6/8/2010 10:58:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's hogging my hard drive. If I turn it off things load faster but I can't search anything without it taking forever.




By Klinky1984 on 6/9/2010 7:23:33 AM , Rating: 3
You should disable it and use "Everything".

http://www.voidtools.com/


Program Promptq
By pityme on 6/9/2010 10:49:27 AM , Rating: 2
My biggest complaint is the way it handles one key trading program. I always am prompted to allow this program to procede while XP it is no problem. I as admin cannot tell Windows 7 to allow this always that I am aware. I do not want to reinstall et.al. Why cant Windows 7 allow me to dictate a program to have full access. This is not security as games go straight thru with no questions. I should be in control not Microsoft.




RE: Program Promptq
By themaster08 on 6/9/2010 11:06:00 AM , Rating: 3
Right click - Properties - Compatability.

Click the Run program as an administrator checkbox.

Now under properties. Select Security - Advanced - Owner - Edit. Administrator will be selected by default. Click your username and click OK.

A notification box will appear informing you that you have changed ownershp.

This should remove any annoying prompts including those from UAC.


networking with XP computers.
By Suntan on 6/9/2010 11:32:21 AM , Rating: 2
The only fix I’d like is for them to fix it so that an XP computers could access a shared folder on a Win 7 computer. I’ve tried all the suggested updates and patches that are floating around the net, but try as I might, I can not gain access to a Win 7 folder from an XP computer on my network.

Yeah, I don't feel like updating all my computers to Win 7.

-Suntan




RE: networking with XP computers.
By rburnham on 6/10/2010 1:23:43 PM , Rating: 2
What about the Windows 7 3-pack upgrades? Those are handy if you have multiple systems.


What an opportunity
By Goty on 6/8/2010 7:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
It's been a while since I hosed any of my windows installs; I might have to try this beta out.




VPC Improvement?
By Starcub on 6/10/2010 1:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't own Windows 7 yet, still on Vista. This section of the article caught my attention:

quote:
But he did mention that the new Service Pack will come with virtualization tools to make cloud computing more approachable. RemoteFX is a key part of this vision. With RemoteFX, companies can deploy cheap thin clients (computers) that talk to the cloud. Previously such clients were confined to a drab visual look, due to resource limitations. RemoteFX uses host-side rendering to allow richer graphical environments complete with multiple displays, Aero and multimedia streaming.

The implication is that the VPC software in SP1 will be able to take advantage of the 3D hardware on the host machine. So I'm guessing that there will be drivers included (if they are not already available in Win 7 RTL) in SP1 that will allow 3D emulation in a local VM, like one would use for running old games in an XP VM. Can anyone confirm if this is the case now, or if it will be in SP1?




By rvd2008 on 6/9/2010 12:26:09 PM , Rating: 1
many people encountered shortened battery life and permanent damage to battery after upgrading vista to win7 on their notebooks, see 10 pages and thousand of posts here:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w...

Microsoft downplayed this and fix has yet to be provided!




List of wanted improvements for SP1
By sapiens74 on 6/8/10, Rating: -1
RE: List of wanted improvements for SP1
By Bytre on 6/8/2010 6:31:04 PM , Rating: 4
What's in SP1 is already there, and has been for a couple months. Its just bug fixing time.


RE: List of wanted improvements for SP1
By Mitch101 on 6/8/2010 8:34:48 PM , Rating: 5
Someone found a bug in Windows 7? I'm still trying to find one.


RE: List of wanted improvements for SP1
By greylica on 6/8/2010 10:06:53 PM , Rating: 2
Four friends encountered a problem using Windows 7 Professional in their Dell 1320, after a month of use they get an error using any shared folder in different clients:

''Error 0x80004005 (unspecified) blah, blah, blah...''

Dell and Microsoft didn't have a clue to help them , and then they have to restore their laptops to it's manufacturing state and reinstall everything to fix it.


By Mitch101 on 6/9/2010 9:21:18 AM , Rating: 4
That could be the tech's you get but when it happens to a paticular series of machine in your case the Dell 1320 I would look to dell for an answer or update to the issue.

Something in that series of Dell's is the problem. Could be just a simple bios flash to resolve or a specific driver for whatever is in that machine. Good luck.


RE: List of wanted improvements for SP1
By michael67 on 6/9/2010 8:42:11 AM , Rating: 1
Did not encountered any bugs in windows 7 till now, do the ATi driver is full of them, whit Eyefinty for me.

Some are fixed, but the to major ones are still there

1. When booting ore go out of full screen my extra monitor go's to 1080p even do its just a 1024x768 monitor,(and all my desktop icons get rearranged >_<
2. Mouse pointer corruption after random time

Still even whit this crappy driver i would not wane get rid of Eyefinty, it made me enjoy games again, like when Quake came out and so on.


By Mitch101 on 6/9/2010 9:11:05 AM , Rating: 3
Thats an ATI driver problem not Windows 7.

I saw that happen in the newer ATI drivers because the monitor I have on the DP-VGA adapter will drop from 1920x1080 to 640x480 resolution and will make another monitor the primary display. The icons move to the third monitor. I dont recall it happening on the older driver and ATI is making great improvements to their drivers for Eyefinity.

Im using a passive/not quite because there is a chip in there but cheap $30.00 DP-VGA adapter thats not on the approved adapter list but ATI driver improvements in the last two revisions have it working saving me from buying the more expensive active DP-VGA adapter. But I run into that issue when I power down and back up. Only takes me 30 seconds to resize the third monitor back to 1920x1080 and set the primary back to the DP-VGA monitor.

Im either too cheap to replace two VGA monitors or need to move the primary off the DP-VGA adapter to resolve the issue but with ATI making improvements on every driver revision Im feeling like they will eventually get the driver perfect.

I also said something similar Eyefinity is the funnest thing since my first Voodoo card.


By tomorrow on 6/10/2010 9:56:07 AM , Rating: 2
Oh yes and quite a few at that:

*Desktop frozen when monitor comes out of sleep when taskbar is set to Auto-Hide

FIX:
Turn it off your leaving your mouse on the taskbar stops it from happening

•Desktop Game Explorer shortcuts disappear from desktop

•The Device Properties quit button flickers when the mouse is left on it

•Changing the Recycle Bin icons stops desktop refresh only when ICO files, work fine when using DLL's

FIX:
If you add a comma and 0 (,0) in the registry after the icon file name they will switch back and forth without refresh, Go to here
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cur re ntVersion\Explorer\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-0 0AA002F954E}\DefaultIcon]
after you have changed the Recycle Bin icons to your custom ones then add ,0 to Default,Empty and Full

•When opening windows.Then switching user and logging back in, the taskbar thumbnail previews only show generic icon of the open windows not a live preview - no fix(OS limitation?)

•Windows randomly deletes user thumbails and then recreates them - Solution is to restrict system permissions and create special permissions so system cant delete files from thumbnail folder.See - http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...4-d7d678d2b...

•Event Viewer logs can become corrupt randomly.If one log does this then this log errors out.If all logs do this Event Viewer service refuses to start - Solution is to boot into safe mode and delete this folder: C:\Windows\System32\LogFiles\WMI\RtBackup

•Windows likes to write a file after each boot that can drive disk usage to sky.The size of this file varies from user to user.Some report only 10MB while others have to wait more than 10 minutes after boot for a 160MB file to be written step-by step into disk.Solution is to delete this file.It will not be created again after deletion - C:\Windows\System32\wdi\LogFiles\BootCKCL.etl

*Problems with network stability etc

Having tested SP1 prerelease versions i can say the RAM usage is lower and system feels a little snappier.There isn't much difference beyond that tho.


By Etern205 on 6/8/2010 6:32:38 PM , Rating: 3
Don't know, but in Vista, if you disable all effects and set the appearance to classical. Detecting a USB device is a lot faster much like the detection rate of Windows 2000.
And it works for XP too.


RE: List of wanted improvements for SP1
By damianrobertjones on 6/8/2010 6:51:24 PM , Rating: 1
1. Improve memory footprint: Tweak your own system, stop services, buy an SSD, custom installs etc. You have choices and heck, WIn7 compared to Vista...
2. Action Center needs a revamp: The average user doesn't even know action center exists.
3. Backup needs to be improved. Good point. (I use WHS for my backups)
4. Improve install speeds of mice and keyboards. 30 seconds? What machine are you plugging mice into? Cor.
5. Allow for better management of drivers. There might just be an option for this!


By FaceMaster on 6/8/2010 7:24:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
2. Action Center needs a revamp: The average user doesn't even know action center exists.


Give it a nice big, clickable button that makes a satisfying noise.

While we're on the topic of nice sounding buttons, could we have a bugbait app? I don't believe there's a nicer sound in the whole world.


By someguy123 on 6/8/2010 6:53:15 PM , Rating: 2
Never had any problems with peripherals taking so long to load.

I don't really understand 5, though. You're uninstalling drivers for a peripheral and then replugging in the peripheral? Why are you replugging it if you want to uninstall it? W7 doesn't automatically reinstall drivers unless I pull and replug.


By inighthawki on 6/8/2010 6:59:11 PM , Rating: 5
1. The mem footprint is already pretty good. Most of the memory it uses is just cached/prefetched data.
2. Why bother?
3. I've never had much of an issue with backups. You go to the backup center, select the folders you want and what time to do it and it's done...
4. Is your computer ancient? I don't think my pc has ever taken longer than 5 seconds to install a mouse/kb
5. Have you ever simply tried to just install the new driver (There is an "update driver" button) There's no need to uninstall the old one first.


By XtAzY on 6/8/2010 7:38:02 PM , Rating: 4
I rather have the chkdsk c: /r fixed.... now that's a memory hog!


By Reclaimer77 on 6/8/2010 7:49:59 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
1. Improve memory footprint, this will decrease boot times, as currently they are still way too long


Your hardware sucks obviously.

quote:
2. Action Center needs a revamp, it is somewhat confusing for the average user


You mean for the average MAC user?

quote:
3. Backup needs to be improved. I am spoiled with Time Machine for the MAC, can we just make it similar? Pretty Please?


What!? How hard is it to click "SET A BACKUP" !???

quote:
4. Improve install speeds of mice and keyboards. If I plug a simple mouse into the USB slot it take 30 seconds or more to recognize. The MAC does it in under 5 seconds.


Uhhh wow, yeah, you have some hardware issues man. 30 seconds? Bullshit.


By Alexstarfire on 6/8/2010 10:38:01 PM , Rating: 1
I'm with most everyone else on your 1, 2, 3, and 4. They just seemed rather rude about it. The Action Center isn't confusing although it's not used very often. Why is that? It's not really needed.

#5 though.... I can understand a bit, though I don't see it being even a minor problem for just about everyone. I've had a couple situations (quite a while ago might I add) where Windows will auto-install drivers that don't function properly or don't have full support. The problem though stemmed from the manufacturer that provides proper drivers for their products. Some of them don't make their own install programs and instead would rely on Windows to auto-install the drivers. If the drivers you download are older than the ones that Windows auto-installs then it won't "update." To be honest, why would it? You don't want to go around installing older drivers all the time. You could blame Microsoft for not providing the option to install older drivers that method if you do in fact want to do that, but the real problem lies with the manufacturer. They need to provide the proper software, firmware, and/or BIOS to have their product function properly.


RE: List of wanted improvements for SP1
By Luticus on 6/9/2010 8:59:16 AM , Rating: 1
1. i disagree with all your points for the reasons everyone below stated, though i won't resort to calling you a moron... i think that's just uncalled for.

2. i'd like to share 2 of my problems with windows 7.
The first i don't know how much can be done about it but i'd like native blu ray support. I hate have to rely on power dvd for this. maybe there is something better out there and if anyone has any ideas i'd appreciate the input.
And secondly i'd like to have some sort of transparent number system on the task bar that corresponds with the home + # keys so that it's easier to tell at a glance which shortcuts interacts with which program. perhaps they could pop up as an overlay when you hold down the windows key. I think this would be a pretty great feature to have.

other than that i think 7 is 100% great :-)


RE: List of wanted improvements for SP1
By Spivonious on 6/9/2010 9:57:08 AM , Rating: 2
Your second suggestion is a good one.

Native BD playback is just not going to happen. It's too expensive. Last I read it costs about $10 to get a playback license plus software costs. That's way too much for a feature that maybe 10% of users would ever use.

I have a feeling we'll see it in Windows 8, once prices come down, just like DVD playback in XP vs Vista.


By Donkeyshins on 6/9/2010 11:33:41 AM , Rating: 2
Somewhat old content, but still a good analysis of Blu-ray and Microsoft: http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2008/02/21/...

And I belive the $10 is per unit, so each copy of Windows 7 sold would have an additional $10 charge.


By Luticus on 6/9/2010 1:38:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yea I kind of figured native BD playback would be hard to get incorporated and would be silly to put in. Though I think it would make a nice ultimate only feature... sort of like those "extras" for vista that were basically crap.

The only temporary solution to my second suggestion I’ve come up with is to edit your desktop background to have numbers above the taskbar, but then if you ever change your resolution it throws things.


By callmeroy on 6/9/2010 9:24:42 AM , Rating: 2
I don't use windows backup (I use a third party online backup service instead) so I can't comment on that one...

However I have none of the issues/problems you speak of

My load time is fine (not as blazingly fast as SSD booting machines, but far from anything that makes me mad)

Action Center took me some getting used to but again I'm fine with it now, certainly not a huge deal of concern for me that's for sure

You have problems with install speeds of mice and keyboards? That's odd I recently switched both my mouse and keyboard with new ones and it was trouble free and pretty darn close to instant.

Drivers...I don't understand you here I never had issues with me not being able to re-install new drivers...

Honestly, it seems like you are 'reaching' just to have something to complain about regarding Win 7....


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