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New build hasn't been leaked to torrents -- yet

Microsoft's Windows 7 is perhaps one of the most hotly anticipated tech products of the year.  Its beta builds have thus far showcased both polish and Microsoft's willingness to improve and take constructive criticism.  Microsoft has over 2,000 planned bug fixes for the Release Candidate phase, and recent builds have given users just a taste of the promising new OS's potential.

Hot on the heels of the leak of RC build 7077 to the torrent world earlier this month, Microsoft has delivered a major milestone build to OEM partners and TAP gold customers.  Microsoft reportedly compiled the new build, 7100.0.winmain_win7rc.090421-1700 (build 7100, for short), on Tuesday, and has already began distribution.

While some are likely eagerly awaiting the build to hit torrents, for home testing, Microsoft may actually beat leakers to the punch.  Microsoft announced via its Partners page plans to launch a semi-public distribution of the release candidate by May 5th to MSDN/TechNet customers.  The official release will invariably also be shared by these customers over torrent.  The 7100 build seems a likely target for the release.

There's potential, though, that the posting could be a mistake, as a Microsoft Online Chat Concierge spokesperson commented, "Currently the Windows 7 RC has not been available through the TechNet subscription yet, only the Microsoft OEM partners such as Dell, Siemens are taking part in the RC's this period of test."

Regardless, whenever DailyTech get its hands on release candidate 7100, a features update piece can be expected.  Until then, like the rest of community, we have to wait and see.

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I can't wait
By aftlizard on 4/23/2009 3:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
but will I have to do the work around to get this build to install over the public beta?

And another question.People always say to not buy a pre-SP1 Windows OS because it is nothing but a public beta, does that still hold true with 7? I think so far it looks like the pre-SP1 Windows 7 retail version will have so many kinks worked out that it will be on par, as far as OS maturity, to that of at least a post-SP1 MS OS or even SP2.

RE: I can't wait
By mattclary on 4/23/2009 3:31:39 PM , Rating: 2
Vista was SP1. I am using 7 and it kicks butt.

RE: I can't wait
By aftlizard on 4/23/2009 3:37:42 PM , Rating: 3
I thought about saying that but the difference in usability and performance between the two is so different that Vista almost seems like a alpha build in comparison.

**FWIW I like Vista but so far I LOVE 7.

RE: I can't wait
By ggordonliddy on 4/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: I can't wait
By PAPutzback on 4/23/2009 4:16:36 PM , Rating: 5
I wouldn't say it kicks butt in my case. I guess it depends on what people use it for. I am using it on my HTPC. And the software that was developed for Vista doesn't work so well on 7. We just got decent drivers from ATI last month. But I still have the occasional BSOD. LAst night when I went to shutdown it prompted me to close some apps that were still running. abotu 5 seconds later BSOD. Maybe it was the ATI driver as the message screen was an overlay. Then you have Arcsoft TMT3 being a little behind. You can't change your DPI settings to without affecting playback. So my options are to have tiny icons and menus on a 60in dlp or have to switch back and forth between 100 and 150% each time I want to watch a movie. Because at 150 Arcsoft renders the movie at only 66% of the screen.

But I am using the offical version and not the leaks, so maybe you are having better luck than me. One thing for sure is that the mpeg decoder has been improved. DVD and analog TV looks a lot better. Analog TV isn't as good as the TV tuner but it is tolerable.

RE: I can't wait
By aftlizard on 4/23/2009 4:22:55 PM , Rating: 2
Make sure you report those things.

My Ati drivers work great(9.3) and 7MC works fine except that doesn't work, however there is a way to register components individually for it I heard. As far as ArcSoft I can't tell you much, they are just slow. TMT just doesn't run that well in 7, I should uninstall it and run it in Vista compatability mode.

RE: I can't wait
By Souka on 4/23/2009 6:54:11 PM , Rating: 4
No need to report....all the RC candidates send tons of data back to MS... I have this first hand info from a Windows 7 QA/dev.

If the Win7 OS can see an internet connection, it'll be sending lots of info back to MS period...

RE: I can't wait
By luceri on 4/28/2009 9:22:36 AM , Rating: 2
yeah this thing is phoning home constantly. my firewall goes off for permission once every 15 minutes nonstop to send something to microsoft. I just perma-allowed it, hopefully they can make it as good as possible. Just send the bugs when programs crash. They likely have a database of how frequently a program crashes... if your program crashes a bunch of times, that'll get higher priority to be looked into, so still send the automated crash reports that W7 automatically generates for ya.

RE: I can't wait
By luceri on 4/28/2009 9:30:58 AM , Rating: 2
It almost always prompts to close some apps for me, but it's more just an instant force close feature to speed up shutdown that's optional -- the apps always shut down quickly and computer is in the "Your PC is shutting down" or whatever within 10 seconds, so it's not like a freeze. Maybe what you're experiencing is different though.

I don't use arcsoft, but I do watch bluray movies hooked up to my receiver via hdmi which is then sent to the TV. I will say, no Windows in history has functioned as well with dual display. It just instantly recognizes my television/receiver properly the first time everytime. Vista NEVER did this, XP was horrible at this.

I think bottom line it's improving and once we give the third party software developers some time to catch up things will be great. Just using basic stuff like klite codec pack then running mkv's through WMP has never functioned better for me.

We do have similar setups though. My PC is connected to a DLP as well and I'm using ATI drivers. If there's any way I can help just let me know what to test and I'll tell you the results. Using build 7068 right now.

RE: I can't wait
By thartist on 4/29/2009 12:38:02 AM , Rating: 2
in general it works so well and is so widely accepted, that people tend to forget that it's just a RC and criticize it with the harshness that a final RTM should get.

interesting phenomenom.

RE: I can't wait
By ggordonliddy on 4/23/09, Rating: -1
RE: I can't wait
By probedb on 4/24/2009 4:58:27 AM , Rating: 5
Go back to DOS....

RE: I can't wait
By Finnkc on 4/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: I can't wait
By ggordonliddy on 4/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: I can't wait
By Starcub on 4/24/2009 3:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
One tiny example: After coping files into a folder, instead of them being listed at the bottom like in XP, they immediately get sorted so you can't see which ones are the copied files. And there are many others.

Win 7 is supposed to be based on Vista and you can easily change the sort criteria to just about anything in Vista. I suspect many of your problems are the result of changes that you haven't adapted to.

RE: I can't wait
By ggordonliddy on 4/30/2009 11:08:56 AM , Rating: 2
You are truly a moron. The sort criteria does not affect the bug I was talking about. You are just the kind of dumb@ss use that is too ignorant to notice all of the problems.

RE: I can't wait
By Starcub on 5/2/2009 5:52:55 PM , Rating: 2
So hit the date sort criteria, and voila -- problem solved. You don't even have to be a rocket scientist to do it!

RE: I can't wait
By Akrovah on 4/24/2009 4:19:25 PM , Rating: 5
Because the Mac OS can't run the $1000s plus in software that I already own.

Because I like to build my computers myself and don't want to be told what hardware/software I should want.

Because when I have a fresh OS install I want it to have an OS and drivers, not a bunch of preloaded crap that I will never use (Windows is not exactly great in this department either, but it is alot better if you don't buy from an OEM)

Because I don't want to pay inflated prices for previously said hardware.

RE: I can't wait
By inighthawki on 4/23/2009 3:35:37 PM , Rating: 2
I've been running win7 since the pre-betas(pre-7000) and it has been a lot nicer than vista sp1. Faster, more secure, etc. Being a beta OS it was slightly more prone to stability issues like explorer crashing, but no serious system errors the entire time.

RE: I can't wait
By Mitch101 on 4/23/2009 4:08:24 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft could release Windows 7 now its really working great for me but kudos to them if they want to tweak it even more.

RE: I can't wait
By coolkev99 on 4/24/2009 7:18:43 AM , Rating: 5
Uh no.. at this point in development MS was touting that Vista was the most tested Operating System they have ever produced, and would be the most stable, secure, etc. Well look how that turned out.

I say they test the crap out of Win7, and when they think its ready.. test the crap out of it again.

RE: I can't wait
By Master Kenobi on 4/24/2009 7:36:43 AM , Rating: 5
Uh no.. at this point in development MS was touting that Vista was the most tested Operating System they have ever produced, and would be the most stable, secure, etc. Well look how that turned out.

As History has seen they were quite correct. Vista is the most stable, secure, and capable OS they have produced to date. Your opinions aside, they were 100% accurate in their claims.

RE: I can't wait
By dubldwn on 4/23/2009 3:37:28 PM , Rating: 3
I installed 32-bit 7077 on my P4 test rig just to horse around. Not only did every bit of software I own work flawlessly, but XP on my main rig seemed old and tired. So, I put 64-bit 7077 on my main rig, and I’m gonna keep it until I can buy the 64-bit OEM. It’s really great.

RE: I can't wait
By pequin06 on 4/23/09, Rating: -1
RE: I can't wait
By omnicronx on 4/23/2009 4:52:36 PM , Rating: 5
unless it's Win ME which was the true public beta for XP.
Because Windows 9x and NT were so similar..(i.e you are so far off its not funny)
In all honesty, I think people who say those things are just talking smack.
This is the first Windows release that could actually be ready for primetime in the business environment right off the bat, while what you are saying holds true for the average home user, both Vista and XP were just not that stable upon release.

RE: I can't wait
By mmntech on 4/23/2009 6:29:54 PM , Rating: 2
He does have a point. It was a poorly thought out product. ME was more of a bridge product than anything else. It was an "enhanced" version of Windows 98 much like Vista is an enhanced version of XP. Down to the nuts and bolts, XP and Vista are fundamentally similar. I think Vista's biggest flaw was trying to be too much and there were far too many sacrifices made in the process of developing it. Windows is and always has been a business OS. Vista missed the mark by not catering to their primary demographic. It was poorly marketed and suffered a lot of bad publicity; much of which was warranted.

Windows 7 represents some major changes though, particularly to the GUI. I've been using the beta on and off and it just feels more streamlined that Vista does. The real trick is going to be keeping those CPU cycles and ram usage down. If all goes well, I'll definitely upgrade my laptop to Windows 7 as soon as it comes out.

RE: I can't wait
By teldar on 4/23/2009 7:04:39 PM , Rating: 5
He doesn't really have a point.
ME and XP were different kernels.
ME was crap.
XP, with a SP, became MS's best OS ever.

RE: I can't wait
By pequin06 on 4/24/2009 11:49:35 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, there was a point.
Thank you mmntech for getting it.
Plus the other point that was cleary missed by the "uber leet" who are being WAY TO LITERAL

Demonstrating absurdly through absurdly, i.e.

People always say to not buy a pre-SP1 Windows OS because it is nothing but a public beta

RE: I can't wait
By Pirks on 4/24/2009 3:39:02 AM , Rating: 2
Vista is an enhanced version of XP

RE: I can't wait
By coolkev99 on 4/24/2009 7:24:32 AM , Rating: 2
Actually Vista and XP have much less in common than Vista and Win7.

Stability and usability being an entirely different matter.

RE: I can't wait
By PrezWeezy on 4/23/2009 9:01:47 PM , Rating: 4
As a business IT guy, I jumped on Vista. I loved it. XP wasn't very different from 2000 until SP2 anyway, so there was no need to move to it. Although it was actually slightly more stable with the newer hardware at the time. Most people who say "don't use it until SP1" are people who have done just that, not used it. They have no idea what they are talking about. Look how many people hate Vista and haven't touched it. The Mojave experiment was a great way to show people that. If you actually sit down and use the product and get to understand it a bit, it suddenly becomes much easier to manage.

RE: I can't wait
By coolkev99 on 4/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: I can't wait
By Master Kenobi on 4/24/2009 7:42:15 AM , Rating: 5
After 500 UAC nags

I suspect the real number to be below 50, but inflating it for the sake of argument is always dramatic.

retarded control panel

There is a "Switch to Classic" button at the bottom, if you failed to see it that's your own fault.

sluggish reponse

Well, if you only have 1GB of Ram in the system, what did you expect? Nobody sane would even power XP with 1GB on any newly bought system.

and 3 hours it took to copy about 50mb over a LAN

Unlikely, while network speeds were a problem for about 2 months, it occured only in specific instances and not to that degree. But, exaggeration sounds good here too.

that was enough for me to know it was crap.

Your failure to use objective reasoning, deliberate attempts to under power a system that few people would load XP on, let alone Vista, and blatant exaggerations clearly mark your technical ineptitude.

RE: I can't wait
By PhoenixKnight on 4/24/2009 11:02:49 AM , Rating: 2
When I first tried Vista, the UAC came up infinity billion times.

In all seriousness, though, I did actually have the installation DVD BSOD on me once.

RE: I can't wait
By aj28 on 4/27/2009 8:50:23 PM , Rating: 2
I've had the XP install CD BSOD on me plenty of times. Nine times out of ten it has to do with your SATA interface being configured in AHCI/RAID mode... I imagine something similar was the case with your Vista incident.

RE: I can't wait
By poundsmack on 4/24/2009 12:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if you only have 1GB of Ram in the system, what did you expect? Nobody sane would even power XP with 1GB on any newly bought system.

you do realize that when XP was released the commong amount of ram per system was 128 or 256? if it was Rambus ram at the time then 128 was fine. Th eproblem is you shouldn't have to have the newer systems with most than a gig of ram to run an OS that came out in the P3 days when 512 ram was super rare and the P4 was just getting started...

RE: I can't wait
By omnicronx on 4/24/2009 1:38:29 PM , Rating: 3
You do realize although many machines had 128-256M of ram upon release, those boxes would thrash like crazy (using virtual memory from the HD) as 256M was about enough for Windows upon load, without any programs running. In fact I would invite you to try and get your XP machine down to less than 256M ram with all your drivers etc loaded.

Furthermore even with 512M of ram, opening more than a few programs would also cause you to run out of memory, and once again start using virtual memory resulting in thrashing and terrible performance. 1GB of ram is now the XP standard for todays programs, so comparing Vista to XP 8 years ago is quite pointless.

RE: I can't wait
By Silver2k7 on 4/26/2009 6:36:19 AM , Rating: 2
I know someone who have one of those old boxes with xp.. 256MB ram 1.2 ghz.. the hdd does trash all of the time..

So it would be stupid to use 128 or 256MB if getting a new machine today.. its also not like your only using 7 year old software on your OS.. modern software eats more RAM, thats just the way it is..

RE: I can't wait
By TomZ on 4/24/2009 8:47:27 AM , Rating: 5
I sat down with it for about 2 hours setting up a new (factory bought) system. After 500 UAC nags, retarded control panel, sluggish reponse, and 3 hours it took to copy about 50mb over a LAN that was enough for me to know it was crap.
All that proves is your incompetence. There are millions of us out there that were successful setting up and using Vista over its lifecycle.

We adopted it in our business when it first came out, and I used it at several computers at home, and had very few problems.

RE: I can't wait
By pxavierperez on 4/25/2009 7:32:55 PM , Rating: 2
Agree. It takes a few seconds to change the UAC settings to get rid of the nags. Also I had Vista on 1 GB RAM machine and never run into any sluggishness problems. I may have issue with how it looks but that's personal taste and there's a very simple remedy for that which involves only a few mouse clicks.

RE: I can't wait
By aj28 on 4/27/2009 8:49:09 PM , Rating: 1
(factory bought)

Well there's you're problem! Wipe it with an OEM disc and be amazed how smooth it will run, yes, even on 1GB setups. Hell, I gamed on a 2GB setup flawlessly for ages, and installed Vista just a couple months after it came out...

Long story short, blame the manufacturer for their buggy bloatware, not Microsoft.

RE: I can't wait
By 457R4LDR34DKN07 on 4/23/2009 7:05:10 PM , Rating: 2
Maximum PC has a great report on this here:

RE: I can't wait
By djc208 on 4/23/2009 7:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder how long till you start seeing the "free upgrade" offers from the computer companies? I'm in the market for a new laptop but would prefer to hold out till I either get Win 7 on it or can get a free upgrade when it's released.

RE: I can't wait
By inighthawki on 4/23/2009 8:32:20 PM , Rating: 3

The date appears to be set already, maybe not in rock, but if it changes you will probably know long before this date whether it is right or not.

RE: I can't wait
By djc208 on 4/24/2009 4:21:42 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the link. Those dates would be perfect for me, hope it holds.

RE: I can't wait
By Screwballl on 4/26/2009 9:08:33 PM , Rating: 2
People always say to not buy a pre-SP1 Windows OS because it is nothing but a public beta, does that still hold true with 7?

So far with my testing, AND as a Vista hater, so far W7 polishes everything up very nicely and I believe that the RC 7100 they are mentioning should be ready to go. I have had LESS problems with the beta of W7 than I ever have with Vista SP1 (end even the beta SP2).

I have found that Vista when released was a crappy alpha release, even with SP1 it is still beta, not even RC quality. W7 on the other hand is much more mature and better all around, even in the beta stages. It is like comparing WinME versus XP SP3.

I myself have used W7 more in the short time it has been available than I have Vista since its release, that is how much better it is.

RC Upgrades Not Supported
By TomZ on 4/23/2009 3:18:19 PM , Rating: 3
I haven't seen this covered in the tech news, but Microsoft is not supporting Windows 7 beta-to-RC upgrades. By default, the upgrade will fail. The post below describes Microsoft's reasoning for this, and it describes a workaround:

Clean installs and upgrades from Vista are fully supported.

RE: RC Upgrades Not Supported
By mikefarinha on 4/23/2009 4:36:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad they aren't wasting any resources in supporting such minuet scenarios.

My wife and I have been running the Win 7 Beta (7000) since it was released. It makes it really hard to have to use WinXP each day at work. Aero snap, Aero peek, and Aero preview are so friggin' addicting. And the new start bar is fantastic.

RE: RC Upgrades Not Supported
By Smilin on 4/23/2009 5:57:17 PM , Rating: 5
This is a general practice. You want to support Vista to Win7-RC so that customers will test it.

You do not however want to support Win7-BuildX to Win7-BuildY because:
1. This will ultimately never be a production scenario.
2. If issues arise from some portion of the upgrade failing then you don't wan't to get bogged down in debugging because of #1.

This is generally true across all products, not just Windows.

RE: RC Upgrades Not Supported
By Lerianis on 4/27/2009 1:41:18 AM , Rating: 2
It's still a pain in the butt though. Personally, I think that they should leave out this stuff and not require the 'workarounds', it just annoys the heck out of most beta testers and those who download 'leaked' builds.

Thank GOODNESS that the leaked RC build didn't put up a hissy-fit when I was installing it over build 7077... I would have been severely miffed it it had, because I don't like having to do 'workarounds'.

Microsoft also has a SEVERE problem with Vista to Windows 7 upgrade installation with the 64-bit to 64-bit upgrade.... it doesn't work and ALWAYS pops up an error saying "Not enough disk space" even if you have 400GB's of disk space left.

By Souka on 4/23/2009 6:47:25 PM , Rating: 2
I just installed a RC of Windows 7 on my Sony VAIO laptop less than 2 days ago.... and the laptop is not liking it as the memory card readers and Blueray optical drive are not picking up properly (they work fine with XP or Vista)

Sucky thing is the devices keep trying to some apps won't install because a reboot is needed.

Hopefully this RC build will be better....

RE: UGH!!!!
By Souka on 4/23/2009 6:50:01 PM , Rating: 2
Oh... the build I'm using is 7022

The 7022 build installs and works just great on my other laptops... thinkpad T42 (Pentium-M) and T61 (C2D).

RE: UGH!!!!
By TomZ on 4/23/2009 8:51:06 PM , Rating: 5
Build 7022 is not the RC. The RC is probably going to be build 7100.

RE: UGH!!!!
By Souka on 4/24/2009 5:46:48 PM , Rating: 2
Right... the build I'm using is from a 2? months ago..

And yes, the RC will be 7100

Windows 7
By icanhascpu on 4/23/2009 7:48:34 PM , Rating: 2
I was one of the people really hard on Vista back in the day. It got better and the 64bit verion is pretty good.

Win 7 even in beta is what Vista should have been though. By comparison it is kind of hard not to see Vista as ME and Win7 as XP (though ME was far worse).

The new taskbar is nicer then the classic one we've had for 14 years as well. I have it put to 'small' icons hiding the titals. So much more room now. The switching of stacked buttons could be more snappy though. Its maybe .5sec too short, not a big deal but when done 100s of times a day can get slightly annoying.

RE: Windows 7
By wahskiwabbit on 4/25/2009 6:13:48 AM , Rating: 2
A bit like star trek movies, every 2nd one is supposed to be good. I wasn't impressed with Vista and it left a bad taste in my mouth, as a result I became biased against it from the start, although most of the issues have been addressed over the last 2 years.

Having looked at the Win 7 preview, I am impressed with it already, even on lower spec hardware. I will definately upgrade to the 64bit version when it comes out, and take advantage of the higher memory ceiling, considering I used to tweak my upper memory a few years back, just to get a few extra K of coventional memory, more than 3+gig now seems like alot, but will be needed in the future.

What do you reckon?
(Summarised list)

DOS 1.0
DOS 1.1/1.25 good (double sided floppies!)
DOS 2.0
DOS 2.11 good (improved sub directories, 5¼floppies)
DOS 3.0
DOS 3.3 good (3½" floppies 32mb partitions)
DOS 4.0
DOS 5.0 good
DOS 6.0
DOS 6.22 good
Win 1 /2 (I rather would use GEM)
Win 3.0
Win 3.11 good
Win 95
Win 95 b c d good
Win 98
Win 98SE good
Win Me
Win 2000 good
Win XP
Win XP SP 2/3 good
Win 7 good?

RE: Windows 7
By tlampen on 4/25/2009 12:08:55 PM , Rating: 3
sorry but you are wrong. you messed up products. windows 2000 was after Win NT and came out the same time as Win Me. here is a revision of what you meant to say.
Win 95 - sucked
Win 98 - good
Win Me - sucked
Win XP home - Good (missing nice features that were in pro but the platform was good)
Win Vista home - sucked (had some good enhancements but overall sucked far to many resources)
Win 7 - so far.. Good
Win 3.11 for workgroups - Good
Win NT - Sucked
Win 2000 - Good
Win XP Pro - Good
Win Vista Business - sucked
Win 7 - so far.. Good

Service Packs are not new OS's they are just Service Packs. that is why the packages always say "Windows XP WITH service pack x"

RE: Windows 7
By Justin Time on 4/25/2009 8:27:29 PM , Rating: 2
This is also misleading.

There are 2 forks that lead to the current product.

1. The DOS fork, which included Win-3, Win-95/98/ME
2. The NT fork, which included NT-3.5, NT-4, Win2K

The Convergence point was Win-XP.

RE: Windows 7
By Silver2k7 on 4/26/2009 6:47:16 AM , Rating: 2
Was using Win2000 for a long time before jumping ship to XP, probably missed most of the initial xp bugs :O)

Didn't go retail on Vista before SP1 either.. so the question remains, wait for Win7 SP1..

to say that Vista sux post SP1 is misleading.. its the best MS OS so far imho. (im not counting win7 since ive never tried it and its not retail yet)

Already leaked
By crystal clear on 4/25/2009 11:30:20 AM , Rating: 2
New build hasn't been leaked to torrents -- yet

April 24, 2009 (Computerworld) Pirated copies of the Windows 7 Release Candidate have leaked to file-sharing sites, according to several reports on the Internet and searches of BitTorrent trackers.

A search on the BitTorrent tracking site early Friday found six Windows 7 Build 7100 listings, available in both 32- and 64-bit versions, that commenters on peer-to-peer sites identified as the release candidate (RC) Microsoft Corp. will deliver early next month.

As of 11 a.m. Eastern time, the six torrents on Mininova showed more than 1,400 total "seeders" -- the term for a computer that has a complete copy of the torrent file -- and about 14,000 "leechers," or computers that have downloaded only part of the complete torrent. Approximately 20,000 copies of the files have been downloaded since the leaked Windows 7 RC hit file-sharing sites earlier today.

According to people who downloaded the 3.05GB 64-bit version or the 2.36GB 32-bit edition, Build 7100 carries signed dates of April 21 and April 22, respectively.

RE: Already leaked
By wavetrex on 4/26/2009 6:45:46 AM , Rating: 2

7106.0.090408-1623_x86fre_client_en-us_Retail_GRC 1CULFRER_EN_DVD.ISO

Sorry Dailytech, you're behind news...

RE: Already leaked
By fatedtodie on 4/27/2009 2:36:09 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you missed the associated articles that said most of the RC builds on torrents already are fake and buggy/full of viruses? Hrmm maybe a REAL copy isn't released so daily tech is not wrong, you are just swept up in the pirate hype...

Long live stupid as it keeps me employed fixing your mistakes =)

RE: Already leaked
By Bytre on 4/27/2009 6:17:45 PM , Rating: 3
All the cool kids are using 7113.

By invidious on 4/23/2009 5:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
For those of you using win7:

I am using vista64 which has always felt like a bit of a port. Having the program files (x86) was discouraging, especially when 80% of my applications get dumped there. Is there going to be more of a reason to go 64bit with win7?

RE: question
By Smilin on 4/23/2009 5:52:57 PM , Rating: 4
You'll still have Program Files (x86) and as long as 80% of your apps are 32bit then 80% of them will end up in the x86 folder.

The change in drivers from XP to Vista was very dramatic so there was a big pain point. The change from Vista to Windows 7 will be subtle. In the past couple years as oems have gotten their crap together with Vista drivers it has had the side effect of also getting them ready for Windows 7.

At this point there is little reason to go 32bit unless you've got some essential legacy hardware that has no 64bit driver.

RE: question
By TomZ on 4/23/2009 6:00:30 PM , Rating: 2
Is there going to be more of a reason to go 64bit with win7?
IMO, it should be the other way around - people should use 64-bit on new machines, unless they have a compelling reason to go 32-bit (e.g., lack of drivers or <4GB RAM).

Wish it was earlier...
By VaultDweller on 4/24/2009 12:50:32 PM , Rating: 2
I was really hoping this would be on MSDN by today.

I just got my RMA'd motherboard back from Asus and will be rebuilding my main PC this weekend. This leaves me with the undesirable choice between torrenting the RC (I don't like getting Windows from unofficial sources), installing the Beta now and formatting again when the RC hits MSDN.

There's also the option of installing Vista or waiting for the RC before proceeding to get my machine back online, but those options are even worse.

RE: Wish it was earlier...
By TomZ on 4/24/2009 2:03:41 PM , Rating: 2
I was really hoping this would be on MSDN by today.
Yeah, me too. I've noticed a trend they have of releasing popular downloads to MSDN on Friday afternoons or evenings. I was kind of keeping my eyes open for something today based on that.

RE: Wish it was earlier...
By TomZ on 4/25/2009 12:48:26 AM , Rating: 2
I just read that RC will be on MSDN on 4/30 and released to the general public on 5/5.

Isn't it wierd?
By StoveMeister on 4/23/2009 3:28:24 PM , Rating: 2
I struggle to remember a time where the comments and numbers seemed so good for a Microsoft OS. Its refreshing to see. I'm really looking forward to this OS, and if my wife lets me, I may have a go at installing this beta on her laptop :)

RE: Isn't it wierd?
By mikefarinha on 4/23/2009 4:37:13 PM , Rating: 2
Why ask permission? My wife's been using it since January. :-p

What's a torrent (<;
By overlandpark4me on 4/23/2009 11:04:54 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft leaks it's own RC's and then it hits the "public" and they act all surprised. They want these out to generate the buzz for the full version release.

Windows XP Mode
By BubbaJoe TBoneMalone on 4/26/2009 11:12:35 AM , Rating: 2
This will help XP users worried about program compability problems who want to upgrade to Windows 7 and hopefully upgrade to 64bit instead of 32bit.

Info about Windows XP Mode here ->

By Lerianis on 4/27/2009 1:35:55 AM , Rating: 2
For upgrades..... 5 computers now I have tried doing an upgrade from Vista SP1 x64 to Windows 7 x64, all running disparate hardware.... they all give the SAME EXACT MESSAGE: Not enough disk space.
And this is on computers that have LOADS of disc space free: 80GB, 120GB's *2, 400GB's, and 60GB's, respectively.

Getting annoying that, and it seems that someone didn't do their proper checking before 7100 went out to the testers and developers.

It's already been leaked
By BeanoJosh on 4/27/2009 8:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
...3 days ago. I'm running it. Works great!

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