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Win98 and ME reach the end-of-life dates

Customers looking for support from Microsoft for Windows 98 and ME will be out of luck after today as both products have reached their end of life date.  Microsoft has previously extended the end-of-life (EOL) of the operating systems from January, 2004 to June 30th 2006 and again in January of this year to allow for one final security update before the systems are sent to the chopping blocks.

Microsoft has historically had a product cycle of about 10 years after the date of original release for its products, and the EOL for 98 comes relatively close to hitting that mark. In theory ME should have a few more years on it still, however because of the lack of popularity for the Windows ME OS Microsoft had decided to end support for the OS at the same time as 98.

Although Windows 98 will get one final security push before its EOL Microsoft will not fix a critical vulnerability in the system reasoning that it would take too much time and effort, and that the vulnerability is too difficult to fix given the resources dedicated to such an old product.  Of course, there is still an 80% chance Vista will ship by January 2007.



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me
By albundee on 7/11/2006 1:20:24 PM , Rating: 2
who the heck uses ME? haha




RE: me
By DigitalFreak on 7/11/06, Rating: 0
RE: me
By DigitalFreak on 7/11/2006 1:57:44 PM , Rating: 1
A lot of people do, apparently. I thought I saw you bent over a desk just the other day...


RE: me
By DigitalFreak on 7/11/2006 9:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of people do, apparently. I thought I saw you bent over a desk just the other day...


RE: me
By PrinceGaz on 7/12/2006 6:23:52 AM , Rating: 2
COuld you repeat that please, I didn't quite catch it the first time. Or second. Or third.


RE: me
By Le Québécois on 7/11/2006 1:30:59 PM , Rating: 1
Every day peoples that don't know a thing about computer and go to Best-Buy or other store like that. If the poor souls got their computers when company were shipping them with Windows ME, that's how they got it.

Simple Isn't it?

Because I doubt that even BB employees would have tryied to sell if they had just one ounce of a soul.


RE: me
By brystmar on 7/11/2006 1:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
Right after I installed ME for the first time, I was dragging some files around in Windows Explorer and it crashed. Nothing else was running, just Explorer, and it couldn't handle it. I remember enjoying a good laugh while wiping the machine clean shortly thereafter and starting over with Win2k.

Good riddance ME.


RE: me
By Souka on 7/11/2006 5:03:27 PM , Rating: 2
My Dad's Gateway Althlon 700 system came with WinME....

It BSOD'd randomly from the start.... he spent hours with Gateway support, day after day, to get it to work.

Eventually, Gateway sent him a Win98 restore CD and a certificate for a free upgrade to Windows 2000 when it became available.

Welp, after5+ years, he just replaced that PC.....slow, but rock stable with Win98 upgraded to Win2000.

Me....die die die.....

Win98? Its still out there, and runs....


RE: me
By Visk on 7/11/2006 2:35:25 PM , Rating: 1
Who the hell DOESN'T use you ?


RE: me
By peternelson on 7/11/2006 8:00:07 PM , Rating: 2
"YOU" = YAST Online Update (?) = The Suse linux patch upgrading utility.

Stay up to date with a real OS with real vulnerability fixes and ongoing development. As a bonus you don't have to keep paying for new versions and can install it on as many PCs as you use.

Kindof removes the need to worry about MS EOLing their OS products LOL.


RE: me
By killerroach on 7/11/2006 4:04:46 PM , Rating: 3
I joke with my friends who use ME, when they suggest what to do to improve their computer, "Upgrade to Windows 3.11". Really, ME was a disaster, and I won't shed a tear over its early demise.


RE: me
By tuteja1986 on 7/12/2006 12:43:30 AM , Rating: 2
people that use me still must be terrible ;(

Anyways i still use windows 98se on P3 800Mhz , 512MB sd ram , 10GB HDD laptop and it works perfect.


Win ME wasn't so bad
By calguy on 7/11/2006 4:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
I've ran Windows ME on a k6-III 400 mhz with 384 MB of ram for about 2 years and it really wasn't much different from
Win 98. I think the crap about Win ME has been exaggerated.




RE: Win ME wasn't so bad
By KenGoding on 7/11/2006 4:11:44 PM , Rating: 2
Ok I KNOW I replied to this post with my above one. mutter mutter


RE: Win ME wasn't so bad
By Scrogneugneu on 7/11/2006 10:45:21 PM , Rating: 2
The bug happens with the internal comment system. It might be linked to the fact that sometime, you won't see all the posts when they are rated down. Maybe something like "when the first post is not visible, then the whole CommentId keys are fucked up and we end up with a wrong ParentId".

In any way, they definately need to take a very deep look into it. It's random and very frustrating (might take the time to implement a decent edit function, too. At least make it editable until someone answered or someone gave it a rating).


RE: Win ME wasn't so bad
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/11/2006 4:12:13 PM , Rating: 2
Not so much, a few of the features new to ME added problems with some applications. Most notably many mainstream games and Internet Explorer. It worked if you didnt run it like a dog, but it would puke under stress quite regularly. In summary though, as we can clearly see the NT/2K/XP Kernel was far superior to the 9X Kernel, which just plain sucked.


RE: Win ME wasn't so bad
By pr0nbot on 7/11/2006 4:43:34 PM , Rating: 2
pr0n!


RE: Win ME wasn't so bad
By pr0nbot on 7/11/2006 4:46:02 PM , Rating: 2
pr0nbot uses WinME


RE: Win ME wasn't so bad
By smitty3268 on 7/11/2006 5:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know. I ran it for a couple months and I swear it would crash every 5-10 hours, often just when messing around in explorer folders. It did seem to do better when disconnected from the LAN, so maybe part of it was a bad network driver. Still, when XP came out a couple months later I immediately upgraded to it and the difference was like night and day.


Real ME users please stand up.
By MonkeyPaw on 7/11/2006 5:57:53 PM , Rating: 3
I'm using ME right now. Considering how hard it is to post a comment at DT sometimes, maybe we are too hard on ME. :p

I use it on an old notebook that can barely run XP. It's much snappier on WinME, so here I am. I shut the notebook off every night and only use it for internet, so uptime isn't really a priority. I've not really had that bad of a run with ME anyway. FF runs just fine. :)




By DesertCat on 7/11/2006 6:26:10 PM , Rating: 2
I used Win ME for a couple of years at home without any major issues, but I jumped onto WinXP about as quickly as I could.

Where I ran into issues with WinME was at work where we had 1 machine on the network. That OS had some serious issues playing nicely on a network run on Win2K. It mostly had to do with file sharing and other crap. The Win98 machines dealt with it better (though rebooting was still a way of life), but the whole experience helped me talk management into moving all of the machines over to at least Windows 2000. The amount of stupid crap I had to deal with on a daily basis dropped by 90% going to Win2K. I no longer had to start all of my tech support questions with, "Have you rebooted your machine yet?" For that reason, I can say "Thank you WinME" because it resulted in me getting to ditch the whole Win95/98/ME OS forever. :D


YAY
By Xponential on 7/11/2006 1:51:13 PM , Rating: 2
*Stands up and claps loudly* Now I can finally tell people "MS doesn't even support your OS anymore, you need to upgrade"




RE: YAY
By interl0per on 7/11/2006 2:06:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, well if you put them on to firefox and windowsXP they won't call much anymore.

But, your right.
Ever notice how much cooler the CPU runs when the OS is upgraded from 98SE to XP?

Quite a difference.



oh well
By STDog on 7/11/06, Rating: 0
RE: oh well
By bob661 on 7/11/2006 2:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
If 98 works for you then have at it. But that doesn't mean that M$ has to support ancient software forever. That's an unncessary waste of development time and dollars.


RE: oh well
By AxemanFU on 7/11/2006 2:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yep..what this REALLY means is that hardware developers and their support teams that write DRIVERS will also no longer get any support from MS, so no more 98/ME drivers for newer hardware, unless the manufacturer is feeling particularly benevolent and does it anyways.

I still have a copy of 98 and 95 even...very useful when trying to run x-com ufo defense for some old school gaming on an ancient PC instead of having to use a dos emulator.


Hasta la Vista
By andrewapold on 7/11/2006 2:44:40 PM , Rating: 2
couldn't resist. Actually I'm sure many headlines will be saying that circa 2015...




RE: Hasta la Vista
By KenGoding on 7/11/2006 4:11:15 PM , Rating: 2
No, you were just one of the lucky ones. About 20% of users never had any trouble with ME by my guess, the rest have had nightmares.

My favorite ME effect is when it "forgets" drivers. Ooops, sorry, your ethernet card doesn't work anymore, please reinstall the drivers and I'll be good again... for a couple months.


ME = the worst...
By BootFailure on 7/12/2006 8:53:41 AM , Rating: 2
Like one said before, I was one of those poor souls who didn't had ca$h to get anything expensive, nor the knowledge of OS. So I went to Future Shop(I hear u LOL in the background...)I bought a refurbished HP pavilion 7920 celeron 900 which came with Windows ME. at first everything was fine, plus it's closeness to Win 98[in appearence] helped me not to get lost to begin with. After tough, I tryed to configure a LAN on it to play with other friends who all had Win XP : There the nightmare started;i was the only one not being recognized. so it ended up in me getting a better comp(athlon xp 2200+ and Win XP) and now everything is just fine.

Also when someone tells me that Win Me is infact something like the "preface" to Win 2000, I only says to my self "dang, they named Windows ME what should have been called Windows 2000 Beta"




RE: ME = the worst...
By dilz on 7/12/2006 12:22:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"dang, they named Windows ME what should have been called Windows 2000 Beta"


ME incorporated a few new interesting features, but was still based on the 98 kernel. That said, I don't think the features of ME corrolate well enough with 2000 to call ME a "2000 Beta," but you'd be interested to know that many considered XP a "Windows 2000 SP3" when it came out.

This was of course, before 2000 SP3 had been released, but I digress...


Don't expect them to upgrade
By segagenesis on 7/11/2006 1:23:47 PM , Rating: 3
At least, don't expect them to upgrade right away when support ends. AFAIK most 98 users will continue using the computer with 98 until it physically dies or is replaced by a new one that contains a new OS. I appreciate that Microsoft gives such long lasting support for thier obsolete operating systems but at the same time these 98 users wont be running out to buy, say Vista immediately.

Now in the future if they can disable the OS remotely (as in Vista and beyond) because of "security risks to the internet" or whatever else reason... then we've got problems Huston.




By Maximilian on 7/11/2006 5:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
Long live 98! *salutes*




WinME is dead! Long live WinME
By jediknight on 7/12/2006 8:25:42 AM , Rating: 2
I ran WinME for a while back in university.. it wasn't bad, in fact, there were some improvements over Win98.. that is, when it ran. I think it was only a few months after I got the machine that I managed to completely kill it, requiring (at least, based on my level of technical knowledge at the time) the use of the vendor-supplied restore disk.

I think anyone still running WinME is getting a raw deal here, though.. Win2K was released earlier, and is still supported. Win95 (marginally) and Win98 were both supported for a longer period of time. It would be nice if MS was consistent on support lifetimes - Win95 and WinME really get shafted in this regard...




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