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The Church of Scientology, founded by science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard (pictured here) has been officially banned from Wikipedia, for abusively removing criticisms of Scientology, or potentially embarassing quotes from members, such as Mr. Hubbard's famous proclamation, "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous, if a man really wanted to make a million dollars, he would start a religion."  (Source: Able.org)
Ban is unprecedented in the site's history

Wikipedia.org has just announced the biggest ban in its history in an effort to stop exploitation of its online resources.  The Church of Scientology has been "excommunicated" from the site, so to speak, with all IP addresses owned or operated by the Church of Scientology and its associate banned from making contributions.

The decision was reached by the Arbitration Committee, the site's governing body.  The decision took a record amount of time and ended in a 10 to 0 vote, with one abstention.  The Committee cited a lengthy record of abuse and inaccuracy by members of the Church of Scientology.

Wikipedia is currently the eighth largest site on the internet, and perhaps the largest source of compiled information.  However, it has been forced to begin blocking destructive users, despite its motto that it’s "the free encyclopedia anyone can edit".  The Scientology ban is the first time a major organization has been evicted from the site, though.

Under the ruling, Scientology IPs are "to be blocked as if they were open proxies", though individual contributors can request exemptions. 

The reason for the ban, according to the admins, is overwhelming evidence of biased edits.   Scientologists, according to the admins were "openly editing [Scientology-related articles] from Church of Scientology equipment and apparently coordinating their activities, damaging Wikipedia's reputation for neutrality."

The Scientologists also use a steady stream of different addresses to try to mask their actions.  States one arbitrator, "Our alternatives are to block them entirely, or checkuser every 'pro-Scientology' editor on this topic. I find the latter unacceptable.  It is quite broad, but it seems that they're funneling a lot of editing traffic through a few IPs, which make socks impossible to track."

Tory Christman, a former officer in the Church of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs, recently revealed details on the Church's sneaky internet activity.  He claims, "The guys I worked with posted every day all day.  It was like a machine. I worked with someone who used five separate computers, five separate anonymous identities...to refute any facts from the internet about the Church of Scientology."

Mr. Christman left the church in 2000; however, he believes they likely have continued this kind of behavior.  He and other former members claim the Church has gone to extremes to maintain its reputation and punish members who leave it.

The Church of Scientology has made news in recent years for suing or threatening to sue YouTube and others over leaked materials.  Last year when an embarrassing video featuring Scientologist Tom Cruise leaked, the organization secured its removal off YouTube.  Hackers under the name "anonymous" responded by attacking the organization's sites and organizing worldwide protests against it.



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Pin the comment!!!
By Bender 123 on 6/1/2009 2:08:08 PM , Rating: 2
Is there any way to pin the start a religion comment to this thread?




RE: Pin the comment!!!
By captainpierce on 6/1/2009 2:14:01 PM , Rating: 5
Don't know much about history/Don't know much Scientology


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By quiksilvr on 6/1/2009 5:39:47 PM , Rating: 4
South Park explained it pretty well to me.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Samus on 6/2/2009 6:36:27 AM , Rating: 5
South Park. The only show that matters.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By B3an on 6/3/2009 8:58:00 AM , Rating: 4
Heres some info on L Ron Hubbard, the creator of this CULT.

He was a racist.
he was a bigamist.
He was a child molester, who was bathed daily by underage girls.
He was convicted once in the USA for theft, and again in France for fraud.
He also hid out in a trailer in a CA trying to avoid authorities because he was wanted for questioning about his involvement in Operation Snow White, the US govt's largest infiltration and document theft in history perpetrated by convicted scientologists.
He was a diagnosed (by 2 different experts) as a paranoid schizophrenic. He advocated rape of virgins- here is an actual quote from him-

"It doesn't give me displeasure to hear of a virgin being raped. The lot of women is to be fornicated." - L Ron Hubbard, Affirmations, 1947.

The scietology CULT is just as bad. Theres many videos on youtube if you want to find out more. Theres even a program made by the BBC on this CULT where the reported was stalked and followed everywhere.

Yet people like Tom Cruise and John Travolter are scientologists, and the U.S is one of the few countries to consider it a religion. F**king insane huh?

Anyway speaking of insne... heres Mr Cruise talking about his CULT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

Extremely funny watch!


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Etsp on 6/3/2009 6:10:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
perpetrated by convicted scientologists
It is not yet a crime(needs to be labeled a terrorist organization first) to be a scientologist so... how were they convicted of being scientologists exactly?


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By lagomorpha on 6/4/2009 12:34:55 AM , Rating: 3
Until you got to the part about being convicted in the USA it sounded like you were talking about the founder of a certain older religion...


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By themaster08 on 6/4/2009 1:32:51 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Anyway speaking of insne... heres Mr Cruise talking about his CULT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

Hahaha

A quote from the man himself on being a scientologist:-

quote:
When you drive past an accident, it's not like anyone else. As you drive past, you have to do something about it, because you know you're the only one who can really help

Forget 911, next time I have an accident I'll have Mr. Cruise on speeddial


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By monkeyman1140 on 6/5/2009 4:46:27 PM , Rating: 3
L. Ron Hubbard was also an obsessive-compulsive who was mentally ill, suffering from schizophrenia.

Where do you think Scientology came from? His schizophrenia. Schizophrenics will often write long rambling paragraphs that at first glance seem to have logic and structure, but under greater analysis you realize its nothing but junk. That's scientology! Its a product of his obsessive compulsive schizophrenic mind.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Belard on 6/8/2009 2:07:52 AM , Rating: 2
I can same more meaning stuff with logic while drunk at a party and two people listening, are passed out.

I just saw the video.

To a degree, its still no different from any other religious extremist. Say anything or have an opinion on Jesus or Allah to a Christian or Muslim and either it insults them or they can't have the ability to question their faith.

Out of 9 minutes of video... Tom Cruise is speaking English, but I have NO idea what he is talking about?! Not sure he does either.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Lord 666 on 6/1/2009 2:30:14 PM , Rating: 3
Masher could start a religion of his own based on the amount of followers he has on DT.

Due to his depth of knowledge of science/math/physics, he could truly call the group Scientology.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Smartless on 6/1/2009 2:46:16 PM , Rating: 5
But alas he has forsaken us.... His return will mark a new age at DT and Xenu will rise again.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By acase on 6/1/2009 3:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
Go check out the "Study: Melting Arctic Likely Holds up to 160 Billion Barrels of Oil" article by "Michael Andrews".
It MUST be Masher's second coming. He is risen indeed, alleluja!


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By icrf on 6/1/2009 3:29:32 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe he got married and changed his name?

I missed the hubbub, when did masher leave and why? Or is it all just rampant speculation? I thought he did a decent job, even if he brought out the loons of both sides of AGW.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By OblivionMage on 6/1/2009 6:21:31 PM , Rating: 2
Masher went on hiatus, he'll be back.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Duwelon on 6/2/2009 2:18:06 AM , Rating: 2
Good, someone has to cancel out that fruitcake liberal douchebag jason mick.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By arazok on 6/2/2009 10:05:02 AM , Rating: 4
Mick does a pretty good job of canceling himself out.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By slunkius on 6/3/2009 5:23:49 AM , Rating: 2
masher is not far behind. you can check his earlier analysis of HD-DVD bright future. real fun, especially comments section


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Lord 666 on 6/3/2009 7:22:39 AM , Rating: 5
Blu-ray succeeded due to policitics. HD-DVD was the logical choice between the two. Masher's analysis was mostly valid.

Disclaimer: I've never owned a HD-DVD player and an owner of a slowly failing BD-1500 that will be replaced soon with a BD-3600.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By CrimsonFrost on 6/4/2009 9:42:31 AM , Rating: 5
Hmm, I always thought it was because the porn industry chose Blu-Ray... Seems to be the general way certain formats win over the alternatives, VHS vs Beta... Porn went to VHS, Then Porn went to DVD.... Then Porn went to Blu-Ray and within months, Toshiba made the announcement that it would stop production of HD-DVD. Everyone can claim they think pornography is horrible and all that fun stuff, but the fact of the matter is, it feeds one of our primal needs (at least partially). So was it politics? Eh, maybe to a lesser extent, but I'd place my bet on any future media formats with whichever format porn chooses.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By bodar on 6/1/2009 3:55:47 PM , Rating: 2
Wait, isn't Xenu the Scientology version of the devil?


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/1/2009 7:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
Xenu is my savior.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Belard on 6/8/2009 1:59:47 AM , Rating: 1
Not really... Thats like saying "hitler" is the devil.

Hitler was a mass-murderer.

Xenu was an idea farted out of a loonie's mind while on drugs by a 4th rate sci-fi writer.

Xemu was his bitch.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By codeThug on 6/1/2009 10:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
Slight problem. Mash doesn't need you.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Jedi2155 on 6/2/2009 2:38:40 AM , Rating: 5
Just like God.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By soydios on 6/1/2009 4:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
nice, that quote is now on the DT site. noticed it at the bottom of another page.


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By fcx56 on 6/1/2009 8:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote has been here for awhile


RE: Pin the comment!!!
By Bender 123 on 6/2/2009 9:28:44 AM , Rating: 2
I know...I just want it to forever be stuck at the bottom of this article.


To lazy to think of a snappy subject line.
By Joz on 6/1/2009 6:26:27 PM , Rating: 5
Having taken a "Socilogy of Religion" and "Philosophy of Religion" class at the UoMn, and having studied a multitiude of differnt religions, I can say, without bias, that Scientology is the most fucked up religion on this planet.
Nothing can compare to it in the "fucked_up", "WHAT???", "ban_this_religion", or "Burn_this_religion_on_a_stake" catagories. its the top dog of stupidity, insanity and evil.
And I hope it gets crushed.




RE: To lazy to think of a snappy subject line.
By Jackattak on 6/1/2009 6:45:20 PM , Rating: 5
Scientology isn't a religion.


By LRonaldHubbs on 6/1/2009 7:18:33 PM , Rating: 4
Guy: Scientology is more of an alternative to psychology than a religion.

Kid: Then how come that sign says 'Church of Scientology'?

Guy: Oh, that's just this thing, what's the Denver Bronco's record now, 6 and 2?


By bighairycamel on 6/1/2009 11:25:26 PM , Rating: 4
They get all the same tax exemptions that other "religions" get, so according to our government it is a religion.


RE: To lazy to think of a snappy subject line.
By MrPoletski on 6/2/2009 4:18:31 AM , Rating: 1
they're nuts, just like these evangelicals that do 'speaking in tounges', otherwise known as rabid verbal fits whilst having a seizure.


RE: To lazy to think of a snappy subject line.
By menace on 6/2/2009 12:42:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. Let's dis all evangelicals because one small sect practices glossolalia.


RE: To lazy to think of a snappy subject line.
By smackababy on 6/2/2009 1:46:25 PM , Rating: 3
Seems fair, considering how quick everyone is to dismiss Scientologists and Muslims.


By derwin on 6/4/2009 12:15:07 AM , Rating: 2
WHAT?!?! How the heck did Muslims get thrown in there?


By Spuke on 6/5/2009 3:08:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seems fair, considering how quick everyone is to dismiss Scientologists and Muslims.
Nice!!
/sarcasm


By B3an on 6/3/2009 8:22:39 AM , Rating: 2
It's interesting to note that very few countries consider it a Religion. The US is one of the few. They keep trying to get it classed as a religion here in the U.K, but luckily our government isn't quite that retarded.


RE: To lazy to think of a snappy subject line.
By Motoman on 6/2/2009 12:27:01 AM , Rating: 5
Anything and everything is a religion. Believing in the infallibility of Steve Jobs is a religion. The Texas Mystic Hot Tub group is a religion. Flying Spaghetti Monster is a religion. The invisible mutant ninja alien 65-dimensional hypermonkeys living in my ass are a religion.

That's the problem with religion, Each and every one has exactly the same basis in reality. None.


RE: To lazy to think of a snappy subject line.
By AssBall on 6/3/2009 10:11:25 AM , Rating: 2
How can I join the hypermonkey in your ass? Details!!!


By Motoman on 6/3/2009 10:19:43 AM , Rating: 5
We have a very simple form for you...

1. How much money do you have?

2. Send it to us.

Congratulations! You're in our religion. Now go make more money and send it to us.


By monkeyman1140 on 6/5/2009 4:48:23 PM , Rating: 2
Depends, can the hypermonkeys in your ass help me achieve salvation?


By Alexstarfire on 6/1/2009 11:00:23 PM , Rating: 3
Then you haven't looked at more obscure religions. Out of the main ones I'd probably agree, but many smaller, and mostly 3rd world at that, ones are WAY more screwed up than Scientology.


By Joz on 6/3/2009 1:08:25 PM , Rating: 2
I doub't it.

The only ones I would even consider more screwed up are the various cannabilistic-orinted religions. But Scientology realy does take the cake. They brought in "Auditors" and "E-Meters" to our class and everything for that week of Scientology study and they scared the living shit out of me.
Crazy, CRAZY fuckers.


Is everyone here missing the REAL point?
By TipEx on 6/1/2009 7:00:13 PM , Rating: 5
What The FUCK ppl???

The whole religion that is Scientology was sucked out of the thumb of a SCIENCE-FICTION-WRITER!!!!!!

Dont get me wrong I love Science Fiction... But FUCK! Are we all gonna start a Stargate or StarTrek religion next?




RE: Is everyone here missing the REAL point?
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/1/2009 7:30:06 PM , Rating: 5
To be fair, their mythology is no more outrageous than any other religion. We are just inclined to think that it is because a) it is a modern development and b) so many of us are already attached to other religious stories. Theirs was written by a scifi author, but older and more respected works such as the Old Testament were written from collected tribal lore of the time. None of the mainstream religious texts hold up to a reality check.

What's important though is how those texts influence the followers, and how those people then behave towards their fellow man. That is where Scientology fails, and why a sense of outrage towards it is justified.


By crleap on 6/1/2009 10:25:26 PM , Rating: 1
Well said LRonaldHubbs, if I hadn't just posted, I'd uprate you.


By mikeyD95125 on 6/1/2009 11:28:14 PM , Rating: 3
Hmm LRonaldHubbs is suspiciously close to L. Ron Hubbard...

I think this man is an undercover scientologist subliminaly brainwashing us. I won't fall for it!


RE: Is everyone here missing the REAL point?
By menace on 6/2/2009 12:47:05 PM , Rating: 3
I don't know if LRon is a madman or a genius. Probably both. I'm guessing the whole thing started off as a joke (complete with inside bets with his inner circle) and then turned it into a get rich scheme but then he started believing in his own BS at some point.


By Ratinator on 6/3/2009 1:48:11 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds a lot like Hitler.


By codeThug on 6/1/2009 10:23:10 PM , Rating: 5
Please don't confuse Scientology with good Science Fiction.


Hmm...
By MrBlastman on 6/1/2009 2:07:01 PM , Rating: 3
So I can go edit Scientology's wiki and they can't do a darned thing about it... Eeeeenteresting... *makes a mad scientist gesture with curled yet grasping fingers*

It is about time these sickos got cracked down on.




RE: Hmm...
By bruce24 on 6/1/2009 2:58:43 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
So I can go edit Scientology's wiki and they can't do a darned thing about it...


I imagine they can request the wikipedia admins correct anything that is incorrect.


RE: Hmm...
By Motoman on 6/1/2009 3:57:59 PM , Rating: 5
...everything about Scientology is incorrect.


RE: Hmm...
By crleap on 6/1/2009 10:24:19 PM , Rating: 4
it's just like any other religion. pick the cult that says what you want to hear. give them 10% of gross.


Wikipedia mods = Nazi's?
By nafhan on 6/1/2009 2:44:06 PM , Rating: 5
Apparently a spokesperson for Scientology is saying that the Wikipedia mods are like Nazi's during WWII. Funny in kind of an out of touch with reality kind of way.




RE: Wikipedia mods = Nazi's?
By Ratinator on 6/3/2009 1:49:35 AM , Rating: 3
Isn't that kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.


RE: Wikipedia mods = Nazi's?
By jRaskell on 6/4/2009 1:16:48 PM , Rating: 2
No. It's more like the pot calling the fine china black.


RE: Wikipedia mods = Nazi's?
By Boze on 6/4/2009 2:38:48 PM , Rating: 2
Good, maybe the Wikipedia mods will set up some large rooms for the leaders of Scientology to be gassed in. And no, I'm not kidding. And yes, I would volunteer to do the executions.

Using a loophole in the system of our government's laws, they're a tax-free organization... they exploit human weakness for the Almighty Dollar, they are very likely responsible for several deaths - both negligant and pre-meditated - and on top of all this, they had the audacity to infiltrate the United States government for nefarious purposes.

The sooner this "religion" is dismantled, the better.


Any crazierr than any other religion?
By Belard on 6/3/2009 5:56:56 AM , Rating: 1
Really?

Are the any worse or different from Islam, Christians, Jewish, Cathloics, Buddist, Hindu? Other than the big 3 have historical information along with myth stories?

IE: Roman / Greek relgion is refered as a Mythlogy... why makes the rest any more valid?

Your flying saurcer awaits you... have your seatbelts unbuckled and head for the nearest star please.




By B3an on 6/3/2009 8:26:57 AM , Rating: 1
If you actually read into this CULT then you would not be saying that. When they are not harrasing reporters and stalking people who dont agree with them they are doing FAR worse things.


RE: Any crazierr than any other religion?
By robinthakur on 6/3/2009 9:26:57 AM , Rating: 2
Whilst all the viewpoints you describe were made up by somebody at some point, Scientology differentiates itself by its organisers being incredibly media savvy, wealthy and also being far more concerned with the merchandising of their cult than caring about its members. Whilst Christianity is based upon freely (or nearly freely) distributing bibles to all and sundry, scientology has a really sound business model behind it!

Don't get me wrong, all organised mind-control cults...um, i mean religions should be banned, but Scientology is more obviously a made up pile of nonsense than the rest and is pretty insidious and shady at best. That and BattleField Earth was unforgivable...


RE: Any crazierr than any other religion?
By CrimsonFrost on 6/4/2009 10:01:28 AM , Rating: 1
I agree whole-heartedly with you, sir. I mean once upon a time even Christianity was considered a cult by the Romans, and what people tend to forget, is the past Pope's used to actually put hits out on people who disagreed with the church. This isn't speculation, this actually happened. Of course there's also the matter of the Crusades where 3 religions killed each other over disagreements supposedly of faith for a very long period of time. Yes, Scientology is pretty eff'd up, but really its hands are not NEARLY as dirty as some of the others.

Oh and the Battlefield Earth comment, fucking priceless!


By Belard on 6/8/2009 1:41:26 AM , Rating: 2
Which is more f'ed up... the movie or the book or all the above ;)

I read like 10 pages of BFE and couldn't go any further. I saw the movie for free (Heard it was bad, walked in after watching something else I paid to see)... BFE movie was so bad... I still felt ripped off. :) Forrest was the only thing good in the movie.

I watched Bill Maher's Religious - a pretty good movie. Gotta check out the Jesus Amusement park... pretty sick tourist. But the performer playing "Jesus" had good points to his view and was open minded to talk about his faith and the opinions of it. I'll give him a thumbs up for being cool.

(spoiler spoiler)

In the movie, the Jesus Land (whatever) place, they do a sing and dance about the crucifixion of Christ. Whenever the Romans whipped and kicked "Jesus" - the audience (in the movie itself) would CLAP!!?! W T F ! !

The "I'm no longer gay" guy who says its a choice and not "born" that way... as Bill says... Looks gay. Science has already proven that. Hell, they even found the A-hole gene.


LOL
By Spivonious on 6/1/2009 2:00:11 PM , Rating: 5
I find it hilarious that the former Scientology employee quoted is named "Christman".




Good Riddance
By iFX on 6/1/2009 2:07:02 PM , Rating: 2
So long, wackos.




RE: Good Riddance
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/1/2009 3:35:42 PM , Rating: 3
lol @ Scientology


Anonymous does not forgive
By thekdub on 6/1/2009 2:39:03 PM , Rating: 4
And apparently Wikipedia does not forgive either.




Malignant
By Starcub on 6/1/2009 4:55:36 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Tory Christman, a former officer in the Church of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs, recently revealed details on the Church's sneaky internet activity. He claims, "The guys I worked with posted every day all day. It was like a machine. I worked with someone who used five separate computers, five separate anonymous identities..."

I've argued with machines like this in the soc.religion forums. They post a couple dozen times a day and claim to have real lives and sometimes even families! Oh, and I lived in Largo Florida, right next to Clearwater... the mecca of Scientology.




lol
By Soulkeeper on 6/1/2009 11:37:15 PM , Rating: 2
I bet john travolta is pissed




"Some are too peanut whistle."
By nixoofta on 6/3/2009 4:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
"Some are 44 thousand horsepower."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd1v7K5CsT4

Impressive/scary that this guy had/still has followers.




By overlandpark4me on 6/4/2009 9:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
get the cult news out to the masses. This cult needs to be stopped and until the government takes away it's tax exempt status, these people will continue to kill it's members and threaten innocent people who differ from their "views".




Well...
By monkeyman1140 on 6/5/2009 4:50:51 PM , Rating: 2
At least they still have access to Uncyclopedia.




LOL
By bill3 on 6/6/2009 7:43:42 AM , Rating: 2
" The Committee cited a lengthy record of abuse and inaccuracy by members of the Church of Scientology."

Oh, the irony.

If there's anybody that knows about abuse and innacuracy, it would be wikipedia itself. Which is basically a front for the extreme left as has been proved many times such as in their global warming articles which are placed in the charge of extreme left wing enviromentalists to edit.




Sad day
By Danger D on 6/1/09, Rating: -1
RE: Sad day
By chmilz on 6/1/2009 2:58:17 PM , Rating: 5
Really? Sounds like the church had a well financed propaganda campaign directed at removing the free speech of everyone else.


RE: Sad day
By Danger D on 6/1/09, Rating: -1
RE: Sad day
By smackababy on 6/1/2009 4:04:15 PM , Rating: 2
In a situation like Wikipedia's, one can only expect some form of moderation. Clearly, not everything is as blatant as some of the stuff I've happen to read on the site, but even still, subtle edits and half truths can go unnoticed by quite a lot of people (read as journalists). The ban makes perfect sense; the Scientology fantics (the actual fanatical ones, not meaning all of them) found a way to break the system and remove any information they deemed unfavorable, not unfactual.

I think all organizations should be banned from editing their own pages. Should cigarette companies be able to put pro-smoking "facts" on their products pages? The only reason they don't, and this is just me speculation, is because they would catch a huge amount of backlash and legal proceedings because of it. They know they can't get away with it.

Furthermore, to be perfectly honest, everyone painting Scientologists to be these crazy, anti everything wackos is just giving them more freedom to do that sort of thing. If you hear a story about some crazy Scientologist, you think nothing of it. They are obtaining more freedom than any other religion because they are simply the "crazy one."


RE: Sad day
By smackababy on 6/1/2009 3:10:10 PM , Rating: 5
There is no implied freedom of speech on the internet. All sites are owned by individuals or organizations. They deem what is acceptable content for their websites.

Obviously, a bunch of supporters of Scientology find it appropirate to edit all unfavorable information about them and attack critics. That would be way more anti-free speech than banning a bias organization from exploiting the system.

But, that is just my two cents. Personally, I find Scientology to be almost as far fetched as a talking snake, a zombiesque figure rising and telling people to eat him, and a guy living in a whale.


RE: Sad day
By Motoman on 6/1/2009 3:47:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Personally, I find Scientology to be almost as far fetched as a talking snake, a zombiesque figure rising and telling people to eat him, and a guy living in a whale.


Clearly, those things are all perfectly sensible and you'd be foolish not to believe in them.

But visitors from another planet who's spirits are still with us eons after they died? That's obviously just made-up BS.

...and for those who will inevitbly be too dense to get it otherwise....</sarcasm>


RE: Sad day
By Danger D on 6/1/09, Rating: -1
RE: Sad day
By smackababy on 6/1/2009 4:10:53 PM , Rating: 4
Wikipedia has already locked down some pages for editing due to the massive amount of people using it as a forum to disagree with the article. I could see all religion pages being locked for mod editing only.

Wikipedia has no obligation to uphold and sort of freedoms, especially one that compromises what little integrity they have as a source of information.


RE: Sad day
By nathanvaneps on 6/1/2009 4:41:17 PM , Rating: 4
They should change their slogan to be: "editable by anyone who provides factual content"!


RE: Sad day
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/1/2009 7:37:03 PM , Rating: 4
There is no such thing as an implied freedom. When you post on someone else's web space, your comments are subject to their disgression. Try reading that huge document called the 'Terms of Use' some time.


RE: Sad day
By Danger D on 6/2/2009 9:16:55 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not talking about a legal right, obviously, otherwise they wouldn't be able to do this. I'm talking about the spirit of what Wiki is trying to accomplish with their site. They are trying to give us a forum created and monitored by the public at large, a sort of truth by popular agreement. To do that, they have to provide some freedom. Again, I don't dispute that they had to ban scientologists. I just think it's unfortunate.


RE: Sad day
By Motoman on 6/2/2009 12:11:20 PM , Rating: 2
Truth is not a result of a democratic process.

Virtue is not specified by a democratic majority.

The outcome of any democratic process is not necessarily "right" or "correct" or even "acceptable." It is merely what most people want. There is no relationship between what's right/true/virtuous/etc. and what people want.


RE: Sad day
By smackababy on 6/2/2009 1:48:49 PM , Rating: 2
I only want what's right, true, and virtuously mine. Does that count?


RE: Sad day
By Danger D on 6/2/2009 2:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
You're confusing "a right" with morally "right" or "correct." Two different concepts.


RE: Sad day
By smackababy on 6/2/2009 2:42:23 PM , Rating: 2
Neither of which are implied to be gotten from Wikipedia.


RE: Sad day
By Danger D on 6/2/2009 3:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
But I think that's their goal.

They have noble ambitions, but select groups of idiots ruin it. I wish our collective knowledge could be put to good use through a forum such as Wiki, but alas it's unreliable.


RE: Sad day
By Motoman on 6/2/2009 7:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
No, I'm not. I'm not addressing what may or may not be "a" right. I'm addressing what is morally "right" or "correct."

People have rights in a democracy...like the right to vote, which may land you in the majority...which may have voted to do something downright evil. But it was your right to do so, democratically speaking.


RE: Sad day
By captainpierce on 6/1/2009 3:14:16 PM , Rating: 2
That's not a very good analogy. Wikipedia is no Big Brother.


RE: Sad day
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/1/2009 7:34:41 PM , Rating: 5
Fail.

Not only is Wikipedia is a privately-own organization that can do whatever it wants with its own web space, but the Church of Scientology alters pages and posts false information to further its own agenda. This has nothing to do with free speech -- it's a large-scale example of IP-banning an annoying troll from a forum.


RE: Sad day
By trabpukcip on 6/2/2009 3:04:02 AM , Rating: 1
Unsuccessful Scientology trolls are unsuccessful.


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