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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange says "hello world". Currently awaiting trial on sex crimes charges, Mr. Assange's organization's has completed another major controversial leak of U.S. government documents.  (Source: National Post)

The latest info dump from Wikileaks contains confidential DoD reports on 779 prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay since 2002.
Leaked documents either vindicate the U.S. or offer proof of horrible wrong-doing depending on who you ask

Wikileaks appears to be alive and kicking despite its founder's legal issues.  On Sunday the site authorized the publication of scores of new details about America's antiterrorism campaign, including some that cast America's actions in a questionable light.

The leaks are the latest development in Wikileaks' pro-transparency information attacks on the U.S. government.

I. What Leak?

The latest leaks appear to come from even more confidential documents downloaded off of Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet), the network that supports the information needs of the military and intelligence community.

Imprisoned U.S. Army private, Specialist Bradley Manning, is accused of downloading the documents and disguising them on CDs.  Mr. Manning is accused of slowly passing the information off to Wikileaks.  

It is unclear how long ago Wikileaks passed the documents off to the news organizations.  Typically documents like these require a fair amount of lead-time in order to make even the most basic of comprehensive analyses.  

Wikileaks has struggled financially of late, so has turned largely to volunteer efforts to support its operations and hosting.  Thus it is of interest whether or not it is still actively participating in leaks or simply pulling the trigger on already released documents -- unfortunately the media outlets give little indication what the situation might be.

This time around Wikileaks passed the documents off to America's National Public Radio (NPR) and The Washington Post.  The organization is selective in only handing the desirable leak information to news outlets it considers sympathetic to its cause.

The New York Times and Britain's Guardian, both of whom formerly received leaks, did not receive this round of leaks.  Reportedly, Wikileaks is upset at these publications for covering the pending ostensibly unrelated sex crimes allegations against Wikileaks founder and chief Julian Assange.

These newspapers still managed to obtain the documents from "another source".

II. What's in the Documents?

If anything this is one of Wikileaks meatier releases.  Unfortunately for the site, in the U.S. public interest in the story has waned amidst rounds of unremarkable leaked war memos from soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The new documents reveal details about America's anti-terrorism efforts in the U.S. and abroad.  Unlike some past releases, certain details revealed here seem to clearly indicate the U.S. in wrongdoing.  

Many of the released details cover America's prison in Cuba, Guantánamo Bay.  

The New York Times reports that Mohammed Qahtani, a Saudi dubbed the "20th hijacker" by government officials, was subjected to inhumane torture.  Allegedly a member of Al Qaeda who hoped to participate in the 9-11 Bombing, Mr. Qahtani was leashed like a dog, sexually humiliated, and forced to urinate on himself.

The documents also reveal that some of the 759 detainees appear to be unjustly imprisoned.  Examples of detainees that proved completely harmless were a 14-year-old boy who was kidnapped, and an 89-year-old Afghan village elder who was suffering from senile dementia.  Reportedly both individuals were held captive against their will for long periods.

On the other hand the documents also reveal that many of the prisoners were obviously violently opposed to the U.S. and appear to be true "terrorists".  Inmates regularly received citations for "inappropriate use of bodily fluids", which translated, in most cases to urinating on, or throwing feces at guards.

The detainees in their interrogations were "mostly compliant and rarely hostile to guard force and staff", but some became violent towards them.  One individual said "he would like to tell his friends in Iraq to find the interrogator, slice him up, and make a shwarma (a type of sandwich) out of him, with the interrogator’s head sticking out of the end of the shwarma."

Another "threatened to kill a U.S. service member by chopping off his head and hands when he gets out," and informed a guard "he will murder him and drink his blood for lunch. Detainee also stated he would fly planes into houses and prayed that President Bush would die."

Clearly the U.S. officials were dealing with a tough situation.

Further complicating the picture is the fact that some of the government's more extreme interrogations -- much criticized -- did yield a wealth of useful information.

NPR reports, "Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Guantanamo detainees who were famously waterboarded while in CIA detention, are cited as providing interrogators with information about hundreds of other Guantanamo detainees."

And while the torture-obtained information proved largely accurate, gentler efforts to get inmates to inform for incentives seemed to lead inaccurate tales.  According to NPR, "One detainee from Yemen, a convicted drug dealer who later affiliated with al Qaida, informed on so many of his fellow detainees at Guantanamo that authorities there decided the reliability of his information was 'in question.'"

III. Big Picture

There's plenty to take home from the latest release.  The most important thing, perhaps, is that Wikileaks is still around and still appears to be focusing the brunt of its scrutiny on the U.S. government (95+ percent of the site's documents are from the U.S.).

The release also renews the debate about whether Wikileaks is "whistleblowing".  Unlike some past releases like the State Department cables release, the information revealed this time around seems to offer legitimately compelling evidence that the U.S. was doing something wrong.  In that regard it seems like it could qualify under the premise of "whistleblowing" -- more so than past releases, at least.

Despite the fact that U.S. government rules provide certain protections for "whistleblowers" in the military, it seems unlikely that the concerns in the recent document will change Mr. Manning's legal plight given the more questionable nature of some of the previous releases and how Mr. Manning allegedly chose to release the information (to foreign nationals, rather than scrupulous U.S. news outlets like The New York Times).

The leaks offer a mixed picture of America's infamous Cuban prison.  Today only 172 prisoners remain at Guantánamo.  In total, 759 prisoners were covered in the leaked records -- 75 were not.  Of those estimated 834 individuals who entered the compound most appear to have been at least a mild threat to U.S. security, and many U.S. interrogation tactics appeared to have worked.

On the other hand, the U.S. may have stepped over the line in some cases and some people may have been wrongly imprisoned.

Clearly this was a high-pressure situation for the U.S. and at the end of the day the results were mixed -- the government did not perform perfectly.

There's a wealth of details that are outside the scope of this summary that are contained in various reports -- everything from a former detainee now assisting the U.S. as a leader of the resistance in Libya to the locations of suspected Al Qaeda officials before 9/11 and at the present date.

To learn more, check out the following publications:

1. The Washington Post -- "WikiLeaks discloses new details on whereabouts of al-Qaeda leaders on 9/11"
2.  The New York Times -- "Classified Files Offer New Insights Into Detainees"
3.  NPR -- "Military Documents Detail Life At Guantanamo"
4.  Guardian UK -- "Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison"

The following legal blog also provides lots of links and a nice summary on the story.
The CenterLine -- "Hundreds of Guantanamo Documents Leaked"

The U.S. government has condemned the release.  Ambassador Daniel Fried, the Obama administration's special envoy on detainee issues, and Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell write, "Both administrations have made the protection of American citizens the top priority and we are concerned that the disclosure of these documents could be damaging to those efforts."



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Mr. Self-Absorbed
By morphologia on 4/25/2011 3:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
Wikileaks is supposed to be crusading for justice, but they're disproportionately picking on the US, thanks largely to disgruntled American top-secret wage slaves who think treason is a way to stick it to the man. What about finding out who really killed Neda in Iran? What about providing images of Libyan forces attacking hospitals? That can wait, I guess...because everyone needs to know what snarky comments were made about which ambassador.

Furthermore, Assange withholds the info from news outlets who refuse to stifle the story of his pervert accusations? Talk about transparency...I can see right through his righteous facade and see the egotism and anarchy-mongering.

I think Wikileaks and their fellow anarchists are really just stroking their own egos, not saving the world.




RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Dug on 4/25/11, Rating: -1
RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Drag0nFire on 4/26/2011 5:12:18 PM , Rating: 1
Hmm, maybe his physicians should leak his health records on wiki-leaks. Then see how he feels. It could qualify as whistleblowing...


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Ammohunt on 4/25/2011 3:34:32 PM , Rating: 1
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All of those that think Anarchy is the best way to live are free to move to Somalia and become a pirate; leave those of us that prefer to live in a civil society alone.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By mcnabney on 4/25/2011 3:51:10 PM , Rating: 3
The world cannot support 7 billion people under anarchy. I would be amazed if more than 2 billion could survive without government control. I have feeling that the world is going to look back fondly at Pax Americana.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Taft12 on 4/25/11, Rating: -1
RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By technozombie on 4/25/2011 4:37:35 PM , Rating: 4
I don't think there is a hard definition on what it means to be a libertarian but, most libertarians understand the need for government. They just want to be governed as locally as possible.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/25/11, Rating: 0
RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/11, Rating: 0
RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By mcnabney on 4/26/2011 9:39:49 AM , Rating: 2
Having an all-volunteer military allows Assange's kind of stupidity to grow and fester.

Despite the veneer of peace and love, it is in fact a fairly brutal world we live in.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/26/2011 10:49:14 AM , Rating: 3
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like we do

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I understand it to the extent that we don't say when and whom we will attack at specific dates, but why would we want to work under a shroud of secrecy all the freaking time ? I mean if we are doing the right things what does it matter? The amount of secrecy is unnerving to me.

I'm not sure how you missed this in my comment.

I didn't say that there is no need for secrecy. I don't claim to know every thing and so I know that I am naive to an extent, but at least I can read.
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Knowledge is power, secrets are necessary. Also, duh, lives can be at risk when you start telling secrets.
Lives can be at risk when you start telling secrets? Really? How about lives are at risk when you keep secrets. And lots of them.

Take Iraq for example. Would you rather the US gov't would've divulged their alleged intelligence that indicated that we should invade Iraq. I was pro-war on the matter because of it and now I wish they would've shown us before invasion since it doesn't seem to amount to anything now. I don't like those who do fight for our freedoms sent off to die based on false information.

Please explain why that information was deemed secret? There is no explanation after all these years.

If it was true that Saddam had WMDs and we had proof of it, what would be wrong with posting that info on the web for all to see? Why in that case would we need to keep such secrets? We blindly trusted the gov't and jumped into a war like the Japanese people of the late 30s. Oh I guess it is bad if they do it. But if we do it... that is ok, right?

Yeah let's keep a rosy picture of war so that we so easily send those who protect our freedom to their death. Good idea.

Since you think this is all as simple as "secrets=good" then I suggest you go back to kindergarten to figure out that things are more complex then that.

I believe that secrets (not just in the military) are a necessary evil but that they should be kept to a minimum, just like the gov't itself.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Reclaimer77 on 4/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/26/2011 3:42:43 PM , Rating: 3
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Great example. For MY argument. It's obvious now that the real reason for Iraq was that we had proof Saddam had terrorist ties, but we obviously couldn't reveal that to the public because it would have BETRAYED OUR SOURCES and/or put intelligence assets at risk. So enter "WMD's".

Ok now you sound completely asinine. You have some conspiracy theory that we didn't tell anyone the real reason that we were invading Iraq? That is a new one to me. Why don't you come up with your own leak that proves that one? You probably got a whole bunch of smart engineers that can attest to your 'evidence' of that.

If we are so worried about terrorist ties (and oil for that matter, I ask our leftist friends) then why did we not invade Saudi Arabia? Or Iran? Or Pakistan?
What the hell kind of argument is that?

And the betraying our sources part? What is that? Like we won't extract them before we let the world know of their findings, but we will before we bomb the bejeezus out of the country? Why wait? Get them out and then let their evidence speak for them from the protected confines of the US borders. THEN bomb the bejeezus out of the country (if there is indeed evidence found that we should).
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Again, so naive. Yeah sorry but we don't send people off to "die" based on what MSNBC or CNN reports. The people going in know the real operational details that we aren't exactly privy to.

How the hell do you know them then?
Ok do you know nothing of the military? The reason why soldiers are expected to follow every order is to get maximum effectiveness out of the unit because it is impossible to know the full gravity and details of the general operations. Do you think they are all over there thinking, "Hmm... I wonder if I should do this?" and second guessing their superiors? You make it sound like that. No, they follow orders as they should. They are commanded to go there and do what they are told. Individual thought is left behind to great extent (not a bad thing in the case of such a team player). But there is no way all these soldiers know exactly what they are doing over there. My cousin was over there for 2 tours sweeping for mines and watching people explode right in front of him. I asked him what he thought about it all on a visit home and he said that many of them don't know why they are even there. Yeah they all know what they are doing, my foot. All they know is that they signed up to help protect our freedoms if they are needed...but with the expectation that the gov't isn't a asshat on wheels. But you and I both know that it is no matter which side of the political spectrum you look at it from.
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But like it or not, we the voters, have determined that the government and the military should decide what's secret and how much of it gets declassified. So if not they, who should be the decider of these things? Joe Shmoe Six Pack?
I don't remember a vote passing to go to war in Libya...and I don't remember a vote passing to go to war in Iraq BASED ON ACCURATE INFORMATION. Oh and by the way what is congress' aproval rating right now anyway? lol
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And I think you're still stuck in kindergarden. Your arguments are no more compelling than "secrets=bad. war=bad. death=always bad no matter what". This just offensive, you view the world through the eyes of a child and then have the nerve to address me like this?

Well excuse me. I didn't know that I was addressing Prince Charles. Look I interpreted your comments as "secret=good" don't turn it around on me (with BTW things I didn't even say). Clarify yourself man.
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See like most Liberals, it's easy for you to stand up here and rabble rouse about how terrible it all is. But I notice you haven't offered one damn solution or opinion about how things are going to work your way as apposed to now. Would you dissolve the Congressional Intelligence Committee? You know, those people we VOTED IN as our Representatives to decide these things for us? Would you make the Military private sector? Exactly what would you like to see changed?

Saying things "should be", well, you guys are good at that. It's easy. But it doesn't make one damn thing happen.

What solution do I need to present to not be a hypocrite or the "bad guy"? Follow the damn Constitution. Live by our own rules. I don't need to present JS as a solution because we already have it.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Reclaimer77 on 4/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/26/2011 7:14:00 PM , Rating: 2
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I don't remember a vote passing to go to war in Libya...and I don't remember a vote passing to go to war in Iraq BASED ON ACCURATE INFORMATION. Oh and by the way what is congress' aproval rating right now anyway? lol

Here I am talking about congress as you mentioned our elected representatives. They need to vote to go to war. That is how the constitution has outlined it.

I don't like what congress does and I do my part to vote them out including trying to talk some sense into people in these comments. You on the other hand seem to think everything is fine with the military and they can do no wrong and we should ignore the people behind the curtain. At least that is what I am getting from you since you don't answer my questions directly.

But at any rate I respect you for having put at least some thought into our politics. That is much more than I can say for most people in this country which is why we are in the situation we are. So sincere props to you regardless of how your opinion differs from mine.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By drycrust3 on 4/26/2011 11:26:44 AM , Rating: 2
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Why the hell does the most overpowered military in the world need to keep secrets like we do?

As a casual observation, it would seem to me the American military are less secretive than most similarly sized military forces.
Not having been in the military, it would seem to me the reason for secrecy is simple: it strengthens you! By telling everyone your secrets, then those who don't like you (and believe it or not, there are people that just don't like you), can work out were you are weakest and attack you there.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By NullSubroutine on 4/25/2011 5:07:28 PM , Rating: 4
You assume that anarchy is simply chaos.

It doesn't matter if rule comes from the "consent" of the governed or collective of thugs - in the savannah of Africa or the halls of state, rule is, and always will be, a matter of superior force.

Anarchy is simply the absence of traditional government and far less atrocities have occurred under absence of government than by the presence of government.

Despite what you think, even in places like Somalia there is a government, in fact there are many. Any warlord there runs a government, one of despotism. They wage war, create chaos, against other government factions, and kill/rape/pillage the innocent.

It is quite a fallacy that government creates safety and anarchy breeds death as such things are responsible at the hands of humanity. Such an "evil" person can commit only minimal casualties with his/her own hands, but with the supreme force and power of a government they have the ability to destroy the whole world.

If you read here, you will see most genocides have been committed by government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/25/2011 7:30:32 PM , Rating: 3
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Anarchy is simply the absence of traditional government and far less atrocities have occurred under absence of government than by the presence of government.

Although I think you and I might see eye to eye on a great many things, I believe this part does not make a strong case since there are many cases of governed societies and very few anarchistic. And those anarchistic societies though they may be peaceful do not last long as they find the need to set up some guidelines and form a gov't.

So then isn't anarchy actually responsible for all the governments ever created, and likewise all the death.

It is better to get everyone onboard to agree to certain rules as a free people before a large portion of the population is enslaved in a power grab. Waiting for cliques to grow is not good. You have to be proactive in defense of your freedoms or someone will overtake you. That has been proven many times throughout history.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Ammohunt on 4/26/2011 2:19:54 PM , Rating: 2
Humans in a vacuum of organization (anarchy) resort to tribalism. Nothing greater that goat herding gets accomplished in tribal societies e.g. Afghanistan and most of Africa. If you want to live this way feel free to form your own tribe of like minded anarchists in any existing third world countries without a legitimate government.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By shabby on 4/25/2011 5:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
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Wikileaks is supposed to be crusading for justice, but they're disproportionately picking on the US


Julian Assange: Lets rummage through our stock pile of leaked documents and see what we should expose today. What do we have here? US Cables, US Cables, Iraq Warlogs, US Cables, Gitmo Cables, US Cables, more Us Cables....


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By lolmuly on 4/25/2011 7:13:30 PM , Rating: 4
that's the point alot of people seem to miss. It's not that wikileaks is focused on the US, it's that we have more secret documents than anyone else. We are the biggest fattest buffalo out there, and thus the easiest to hit.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/2011 10:45:21 PM , Rating: 1
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that's the point alot of people seem to miss. It's not that wikileaks is focused on the US, it's that we have more secret documents than anyone else. We are the biggest fattest buffalo out there, and thus the easiest to hit.


That's a bunch of crap. There are REAL atrocities being committed by governments out there that go completely unmentioned by this guy.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By WinstonSmith on 4/26/2011 9:35:35 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps because documents haven't been LEAKED TO THEM about those?

Sheesh...


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Sxotty on 4/26/2011 9:21:25 AM , Rating: 2
You are completely wrong. The real point is people in the US feel safe enough to steal all that secret info and give it away. Other countries have plenty of secrets both benign and dirty. they just are not giving them to wikileaks. Wikileaks used to actually be worth something, but not anymore.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By PhatoseAlpha on 4/25/2011 6:59:39 PM , Rating: 1
You speak as if it matters why they bring injustices to light. The fact that the man who screams "The emperor has no clothes" is on a sex offenders registry and only did it because he hates the emperor doesn't make the emperor any less naked.

I'd rather our government didn't do things like abducting foreign nationals and throwing them in the gulag for years. I'd rather that our government didn't think bizarre homoerotic porn shoots and golden showers were appropriate methods of interrogation, but that didn't happen. I'd rather our government didn't try to cover it up, but again, not what happened.

But seriously? If the choice is have the evils our government perpetuated revealed by an egomaniacal Swedish rapist with an axe to grind and a chip on his should, or not at all....not a hard choice.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Skywalker123 on 4/25/2011 11:25:31 PM , Rating: 2
The sex charges are a smear attempt.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Lerianis on 4/28/2011 2:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
No, they aren't. They have PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF that we were doing those things!


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/25/2011 7:14:50 PM , Rating: 2
So you are saying this is unreliable false information?
Then why doesn't the gov't write it off as such. I hear this crap all the time. It is like when I hear about minorities complaining that negative news regarding their group is disproportionally reported on in the news.

It is like if there were a bunch of black dudes and white dudes commiting crimes throughout the country and the whites kept complaining that the news didn't report the black crimes.

Well are the whites comitting crimes or aren't they?
Just because the other side is not reported equally doesn't make the side reported false, and the fact remains that BOTH parties need to work on the issue. Not ignore it.

And do you really need a Wikileaks-like organization to expose Khadaffi as a psychopath? No. So why would anyone risk their lives to expose him as such? Especially when the US (and other's) military are doing that very thing.
What you would need a Wikileaks-like org for is to shine light on those things which appear normal and good.
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Furthermore, Assange withholds the info from news outlets who refuse to stifle the story of his pervert accusations? Talk about transparency...I can see right through his righteous facade and see the egotism and anarchy-mongering.
I pretty much agree with you here except that I don't know how far down the path towards anarchy he wants to go. He seems to like the Founding Fathers of the US so I would think that he agrees with some form of law. And after all isn't the freedom of the press the we enjoy in the US quite anarchistic itself already? It is by design you know.

But I'm not sure about this outlet selection thing of his either. Though I can see it as he thought that one was too partisan or something along those lines or something (or didn't spin it the way he wanted them to). But what I don't get is that everyone can go and get the files off of the website, so in what way is he selectively releasing them?

So do you think it is false or not? That is the real question. It we do think it is true and we just sweep it under the rug, that makes people fearful of us as a nation no? I'm a citizen and it does so for me. I could imagine how I would feel if I was in some other country.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/2011 10:48:36 PM , Rating: 1
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He seems to like the Founding Fathers of the US so I would think that he agrees with some form of law.


Please. That's just his crappy excuse for bad behavior and to justify his assault on Governments.

The Founding Fathers wouldn't think too highly of his methods. Maybe his motives, but certainly not his methods.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/26/2011 11:16:32 AM , Rating: 2
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Governments

Oh plural? I thought it was just the US ;-)

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The Founding Fathers wouldn't think too highly of his methods. Maybe his motives, but certainly not his methods.
So you think they agree with our methods more?

I know a little bit about you R77 to know that you don't exactly believe that the Founding Fathers are looking down on our great nation with smiles right now.

And what methods are you referring to? Using the internet? You think he should use newsprint, or maybe a glossy quarterly magazine?

He takes info that people volunteer to him and publishes it. Yeah they are all rolling over in their graves on that one.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Reclaimer77 on 4/26/2011 11:50:26 AM , Rating: 1
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I know a little bit about you R77 to know that you don't exactly believe that the Founding Fathers are looking down on our great nation with smiles right now.


Nope, but not for the reasons YOU think. What the military is doing doesn't even make the top 100 list of things the Founders are rolling in their graves over.

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He takes info that people volunteer to him and publishes it.


LOL oh that's all? It's knowingly stolen "info". Illegally stolen. Your argument is about as weak as me trying to justify my file sharing because "someone else" uploaded the stuff, I'm just merely 'sharing' it...


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By Reclaimer77 on 4/26/2011 11:57:18 AM , Rating: 1
I mean really Raven? The Obama administration has passed and executed the broadest expansion of Government powers and intrusion into our daily lives and freedoms that at any point ever. We're literally on the verge of open fascism and people like you walk around in a daze! And you're seriously focused on some old Guantanamo crap or "shocking" diplomatic leaks that don't amount to a hill of beans anyway?

I think you're outrage is sadly misplaced. But by all means, keep harping on what we do abroad while the country you know is being eroded from within out from under your own feet...


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/26/2011 3:55:59 PM , Rating: 2
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The Obama administration has passed and executed the broadest expansion of Government powers and intrusion into our daily lives and freedoms that at any point ever.

Either you have me confused with someone else or you are just trying to piss me off by reminding me who is in charge ;-)

My rage cannot be focused on one specific topic for long. But general ranting about the size of the gov't make it easier for me lol.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By The Raven on 4/26/2011 4:24:14 PM , Rating: 2
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I think you're outrage is sadly misplaced. But by all means, keep harping on what we do abroad while the country you know is being eroded from within out from under your own feet...

I think that we should be vigilant regarding our affairs at home AND abroad. We don't have to choose between the two.


RE: Mr. Self-Absorbed
By hughlle on 4/26/2011 6:26:28 AM , Rating: 3
The US is one of the larger countries in the world, that thinks it is the police of the world and can do whatever they please. So yes, they are being picked on, and no, i'ts not disproportionate.


Good job...
By xpax on 4/25/2011 3:44:36 PM , Rating: 5
It is important that someone exposes the consistent hypocrisy of the US government. WikiLeaks isn't 'picking on the US' -- they just happen to have a large quantity of US gov documents.

True democracy is transparent can withstand scrutiny. The problem here is that Americans haven't had democracy in a long time. The two party system gives you the choice between two corrupt groups of politicians who are owned by corporate interests. That's not democracy.




RE: Good job...
By morphologia on 4/25/2011 4:02:49 PM , Rating: 2
They have a large quantity of US gov documents because their main/only sources are US gov intel clerks looking to give their bosses the finger. If your boss gave you crap, and in response you went around spreading info about how he/she cheats on his/her taxes and downloads bootleg CDs...would that make you a hero?

And I'd think more of Wikileaks if they really did seek to investigate and inform, but they are just passing along what they were given, in small doses so we don't realize there's a finite supply. And only on one country's government. They're not pro-democracy and pro-information, they're opportunistically anti-US. Opportunistically because without their well-placed and irresponsible sources they'd have nothing for which to demand bribes from news outlets.


RE: Good job...
By The Raven on 4/25/2011 7:33:54 PM , Rating: 2
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Opportunistically because without their well-placed and irresponsible sources they'd have nothing for which to demand bribes from news outlets.
Why don't you start a Wikileaks of your own and show us those bribes?

Fight fire with fire, if you even have any.


RE: Good job...
By xrodney on 4/26/2011 4:00:59 AM , Rating: 2
If you find out that your company is breaking law and do nothing then you are accomplice. Its your legal obligation to at least inform your company legal department and if they are involved or do nothing then inform respective law service.

If its person that's breaking law its bad, if its government then its outrage. Any government official breaking law should be:
1 - strip down of their right to be ever able work again in politics, financial or law area.
2 - took to the court and face maximum sentences for misuse of power, covering truth and breaking law.


RE: Good job...
By mcnabney on 4/25/2011 4:11:35 PM , Rating: 2
I know that you live in a 1-bit world in which everything is black and white, but at least try to think of the big picture.

Wikileaks touts itself as a whistleblowing organization that has no allegiances, but 98% of their releases are focused on a single nation. In addition, their releases have frequently been more akin to airing dirty laundry than blowing the whistle on lies and misdeeds. I actually didn't have as big of a problem with their release of 'Collateral Murder' versus their more recent issues.

Releasing diplomatic cables only served to embarrass. Now we know that some leaders in muslim nations like to drink alcohol. Gee, is that really whistleblowing? If I tap into your computer and post the pornographic images that you jerk-it to, is that also whistleblowing? All of the Manning leaks have done is severely damage the diplomatic tools of the US government. Since dropping bombs is generally the option to diplomacy you would think that harming the diplomatic channel is a bad thing.


RE: Good job...
By Skywalker123 on 4/25/2011 11:30:12 PM , Rating: 2
the U.S. has damaged itself diplomatically, they prefer bombs and bullets over diplomacy anyway.


RE: Good job...
By seraphim1982 on 4/26/2011 9:54:41 AM , Rating: 1
98% of their releases are focused on a single nation.

That could because that nation is responsible for all the different kinds of shit across the world. Whether it be, killing civilians in wars (see collateral damage), interrogating prisoners beyond typical means (most recent leaks), large US based corporation blackmailing statesmen from other countries to hide scandals (see Pfizer), the large private corporations are raking in cash from each country that the US military pushes into (see Iraq war/Blackwater).

Under the banner of "saving the world" or "getting rid of terrorism" the US, play the john wayne-ish hero, but globally, it is really just modern day imperialism.

I'm NOT trying saying the US is bad or the people are dumbs hicks and don't know any better, because that would be just stupid and ignorant. I say the the government and corporate dipshits are breaking law and using their influence, money, and power to get away with it.


RE: Good job...
By VahnTitrio on 4/25/2011 4:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
It would be nice though if rather than releasing everything and anything if they would weed it down to true whistleblowing.


RE: Good job...
By lolmuly on 4/25/2011 7:17:58 PM , Rating: 2
I think that's half the point wikileaks is trying to make. Why should a memo about coffee and donuts be stamped secret?


some people pay for this...
By kattanna on 4/25/2011 3:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mr. Qahtani was leashed like a dog, sexually humiliated, and forced to urinate on himself.


you know.. some people pay to have that happen to them

but seriously.. thats what they are terming "torture" ?

please




RE: some people pay for this...
By Wierdo on 4/25/2011 4:08:30 PM , Rating: 2
The answer to that really depends on the person's personal moral code.


RE: some people pay for this...
By JakLee on 4/25/2011 4:35:53 PM , Rating: 2
and whether or not you were wearing the rubber suit.


By Skywalker123 on 4/25/2011 11:27:39 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, just because you enjoy sexual humiliation, doesn't mean everybody does.


By Beenthere on 4/25/2011 3:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
These people are not angels helping they world. They are hackers committing crimes to get attention. Hacking is a crime and I hope everyone of these criminals is convicted and imprisoned. Assange is a convicted hacker and alleged rapist. He has a history of crime.




By morphologia on 4/25/2011 4:05:44 PM , Rating: 2
And Anonymous does what they do at the expense of the public, not the companies and governments they supposedly oppose. Just like al-Qaeda, except no fatalities.


By Beenthere on 4/25/2011 5:10:51 PM , Rating: 3
No disrespect but all countries have a need for secrets. What one presumes to be ethical and moral another does not. Our soldiers routinely die because the U.S. is far more ethical and moral than terrorists. Some times we are forced to support the lesser of two evils, not because we want to but because it's in the best interest of our country. At one time we supported Saddam Hussein. He went crazy and started torturing and killing tens of thousands of his people years later. The world is far from perfect and we must make the best of the cards we are dealt and the knowledge we have at the time.

Yes our politicians are suppose to serve the people and many of them are criminals who belong in prison, but we as a country still need to be able to maintain secrets for our own national defense and best interest. I'm all for prosecuting the criminals be they Anonymous or political criminals. Disclosure of confidential data is not the means to fix the problem.


By seraphim1982 on 4/26/2011 11:01:42 AM , Rating: 1
We all have need for secrets, but a lot of these secrets are outside of the military.

"Our soldiers routinely die because the U.S. is far more ethical and moral than terrorists."
WTF are you talking about? Just as moral? There is hardly EVER morality in war. I guess you haven't seen videos of soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq blowing shit up for fun, the wikileaks collateral damage video.

"Some times we are forced to support the lesser of two evils, not because we want to but because it's in the best interest of our country."
NO, it is NOT! You are telling me the government pisses away money in military and later foreign aid after they fk up that country. When the US, obviously has problems with healthcare, overcrowded jail system (which are publicly traded based of the # of inmates in the system - many for misdeameanor crimes), hurricane katrina took 3+ years to clean up, the oil spill in the gulf, horrible education system that STILL teaches creationism over evolution, post-secondary education that costs more than the average american can afford, a horrible cross country transit system, dated power grids, problems with Mexico border (drug problems), a law that let police discriminate to find illegal aliens.
Tell me pissing away money in military and foreign aid IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN

Don't GIVE me that Saddam excuse... the CIA put him in there, then used the US to take him out. Almost every despot who was initially backed by the US, Gaddafi, Saddam, Bin Laden, turned on them, likely for good reason. If the US kept their nose of out of other people's business, then they wouldn't be the enemy of the world.

"I'm all for prosecuting the criminals be they Anonymous or political criminals. Disclosure of confidential data is not the means to fix the problem."

What's the difference between the forefathers of the US and these political dissidents? They had a PROBLEM with their present government (Brits) and then told them to f'off, c u later. You regurgitate the same bullshit like the news, think for yourself. The whole CNN point of view is how the info can be used against the US. A lot of these disclosures aren't just about war/military, many are about large US corporations that have no ethics and corporate accountability.


Typo? Specialist or private
By Sivar on 4/25/2011 8:47:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Imprisoned U.S. Army private, Specialist Bradley Manning

Is Manning a specialist or a private? The two are different ranks.




By WinstonSmith on 4/26/2011 9:34:28 AM , Rating: 2
He WAS a specialist. Now, he's a private.


Security
By Jalek on 4/25/2011 11:24:41 PM , Rating: 4
"Both administrations have made the protection of American citizens the top priority"

Great, now can you take your boot off my neck?




By BZDTemp on 4/25/2011 6:04:48 PM , Rating: 1
Indeed so the US officials had to find ways to excuse the use of torture, holding people without trials for years and to top it off what GOES ON in Gitmo is just a part of it! The use of renditions means many more case of torture either at the hands of Americans or by hands of regimes around the globe.

The whole thing makes me sick. The so call free world with the US as the beacon of light has been tarnished by this.




By Felofasofa on 4/25/2011 9:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
Gitmo undermines everything the US is supposed to stand for. Jason Mick has become an apologist toad for the US Govt. The lack of support for Mannings in the US is a disgrace, you've all got it wrong, and in the eyes of the rest of the world, you are the "bad guys." Don't even think about touching Assange, the reaction here in Oz and around the world would be huge, and extremely anti-US. The "Perception Gap" how the rest of the world sees the US, compared to how the US thinks the rest of the world sees them, is as wide as ever.


Specialist =/= Private.
By Methal on 4/25/2011 7:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
"Imprisoned U.S. Army private, Specialist Bradley Manning"

A specialist is not a private.




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