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Satoru Iwata with the Wii U controller  (Source:
Investors and analysts are unsure if it can stand up to the challenge after the disappointing E3 presentation

Growing up, most gamers became accustomed to playing their video games with a physical controller while sitting in front of the television. This was generally the status quo up until 2006, when Nintendo released Wii and changed the way we play. While the Wii got gamers off the couch, it wasn't widely accepted by core gamers because it didn't suit their traditional gaming experience.

But Nintendo president and CEO Satoru Iwata explained to investors that the Wii U would be different. He said that core gamers would accept the Wii U because it can be played in a conventional way, and because it has high definition visuals. 

"Wii was not accepted by core gamers because they did not want to abandon their preferred control approach," said Iwata. "Additionally, Wii did not use HD because HD cost performance at the time was low. Wii U makes it easier to use conventional controls. Also, the Wii U controller is not as big or heavy as it looks."

But investors and analysts alike are just as unsure about the Wii U. Many questioned Nintendo's tactics at E3 when it featured more demos about the hardware rather than the games it would launch, which led many to believe that the Wii U would have a poor line-up of games when it came to launch time. 

But Iwata noted that "Zelda HD" would be released for the Wii U only, in hopes of attracting longtime "Zelda" fans as well as those interested in increased HD adoption. 

"Regarding 'Zelda HD,' Japanese developers said that it could not be replicated on other machines," said Iwata. 

Iwata added that several Wii U reactions around the world were positive, including those from Los Angeles and overseas media. He also mentioned that those who actually played the Wii U had a different reaction from those who just covered it online.

"There were high expectations from the new version of the Wii and this fell far short," said analyst Yusuke Tsunoda. "People had expected to see something more at a big event like the E3, but there wasn't really anything more than what's already reported."

Nintendo's share price fell to its lowest value in five years "following the unveiling of the Wii U." 

The Wii U is expected to be released sometime after April 2012.

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I am interested but
By christojojo on 6/30/2011 9:55:57 AM , Rating: 2
Those controllers will cost an arm and leg. Plus developers wont support after first year or two because Nintendont strangles third party again.

RE: I am interested but
By Iaiken on 6/30/2011 10:11:01 AM , Rating: 5
I don't know where you're getting your information, but Nintendo licensing fees have been lower than that of both Sony and MS since March 2003.

The only real barrier is if the player needs to have more than one of the new controller since you can just reuse the various Wii controllers of the past.

RE: I am interested but
By messyunkempt on 6/30/2011 10:37:21 AM , Rating: 1
It only supports one of the new controller per console so that wouldnt really be an issue unless it was broken.

RE: I am interested but
By Ramstark on 6/30/2011 12:05:28 PM , Rating: 3
Untrue , there are demos where it shows two player simultaneously playing in the same console with two different players even giving each other backs...

RE: I am interested but
By DBrinks on 6/30/2011 12:48:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yes and no. They have told the developers to develop for one controller. They also do not plan to sell the controller separately. But, apparently the system can "technically support multiple screen-controllers."

Search "Nintendo says one Wii U controller per console, robs player two of extra screen" on Engadget and you will see the article I got this from.

RE: I am interested but
By artemicion on 6/30/2011 2:51:18 PM , Rating: 2
I'd be extremely impressed if the Wii U could push pixels to both the TV and MULTIPLE screen-controllers.

I'd assume you can only display to max one screen-controllers, but you could connect your buddy's when they come over for use as a regular controller.

RE: I am interested but
By someguy123 on 6/30/2011 4:44:00 PM , Rating: 3
You don't necessarily need to stream 1:1 video data to the controller.

You could have multiple controllers handling different kinds of menus or information. gametrailers described that "killer freaks" game from ubisoft as having a multiplayer component where one player uses the controller screen to control monster spawns and obstacles against the other players, attempting to kill them.

RE: I am interested but
By Hiawa23 on 6/30/2011 7:14:29 PM , Rating: 2
I am pretty happy with both the PS3 & 360 & did not like the Wii at all, so I think I am done with Nintendo consoles, & will just wait for the next Xbox & playstation.

RE: I am interested but
By cmdrdredd on 6/30/2011 11:08:50 PM , Rating: 2
technically support multiple screen-controllers

Nothing in that statement says "will be able to use multiple controllers". I've heard it mentioned at every reliable source that you can only have one screen controller in use at a time. Everyone else will have to usee Wiimotes.

RE: I am interested but
By Mitch101 on 6/30/2011 10:11:48 AM , Rating: 2
I have zero interest in this device.

I waiting for someone to make an X-Box 360 style controller that works via Bluetooth or even plugged in to all the tablets. Wanna game on your tablet turn on your wireless controller and go. Touch screen controls are good for Angry Birds and Robo Defense. The racing games on tablets feel like they are made for children controlling the car like its been dumbed down.

RE: I am interested but
By Da W on 6/30/2011 11:41:04 AM , Rating: 1
How short-sighted you are.
Angry brid style games are popular on tablets because of the low hardware tablets have. This Wii-U doesn't have any CPU-GPU inside the tablet, it all streams from a console 3 times more powerful than the current Xbox and PS3.

This things opens up new way to play on a console. Think civilization-warcraft style games controled with the touch screen. Think Madden 2012 with your playbook kept secret on your controler. Think many new things.

Besides for shooters, there#'s only one way to play thoses, and its with a mouse and keyboard on a descent PC. Screw the Xbox and its damn controler. I laught at people who tell me Crysis 2 on the xbox 360 has killer graphics. hahahaha. Try it on PC stupid!

On a side note, Wii-U is precisely what i hoped Microsoft would come up with Windows 8 and tablets and next Xbox device.

RE: I am interested but
By OnyxNite on 6/30/2011 12:28:29 PM , Rating: 3
Where do you get that's it's 3 times more powerful than the current Xbox360 and PS3? source?

What I've heard is that it has Radeon 4000 based graphics which IS faster than both the Xbox360 and PS3 but by about 1.5x not 3. Typically next-gen consoles have several times the power of their prior gen competitors and that doesn't seem to be the case here. Additionally typically a new console release is about equal to if not better then current PC graphics hardware but in the case of the Wii U the Radeon 4000 is an outdated graphics card NOW and the system won't actually launch until next year.

This APPEARS to be just a REALLY late entry to the current gen of consoles. I'm sure it will get a lot of support because it will be easy enough to add it to any PS3/Xbox360 cross-platform development but I doubt there will be many third party developers that really push the system with Wii U Exclusives. In other words if you already own a Xbox360 or PS3 there's not much point in getting this. If you only own a Wii however and want to step up to HD and start playing the 3rd party games you've been left out of then this is your machine.

The Wii was similarly weak hardware however and it dominated because of the new control scheme so it really just depends on if the new controller with a screen can repeat that. I won't be buying one though but I don't own a Wii either so I'm not really their target.

RE: I am interested but
By Da W on 6/30/11, Rating: -1
RE: I am interested but
By someguy123 on 6/30/2011 4:52:41 PM , Rating: 2
what...the RSX is based off the 7800. The ps3's capabilities is a mixture of the cell's FLOP ability as well as the GPU, which is what makes it technically faster than the 360 even with a weaker GPU. The 360's xenos is based off the X1900.

If it does have a 4870 it'll be about twice as fast as current consoles, but I've yet to see any developer report that it's really that significant of hardware boost, which leads me to believe it's more likely a lower end variant and not something comparable with the 4870.

RE: I am interested but
By nikon133 on 6/30/2011 6:00:40 PM , Rating: 2
I've seen info mentioning ATI 4000 series GPU, but at present it is only presumed it will be based on 4870. It can just as well end up with slower 4000 part. Consider that they were using X360 hardware to demo Wii U - based on that I would expect that Wii U will not provide significantly better visuals. If it could, I'd expect them to demo it on beefed up PC. It is hardly a favour demoing unit on much inferior hardware.

RE: I am interested but
By nikon133 on 6/30/2011 5:53:14 PM , Rating: 2
Actually PS3 graphics are based on GTX 7800. X360 graphics are based on Radeon 1800 or 1900 and as such are actually more advanced than PS3 graphics. Additionally, X360 has an extra AA chip which is smoothing visuals without performance impact.

PS3 saving grace might be in it's Cell processor which, with 7 (6 available to games) vector processors, can offload graphics card to some extend... but requires some very smart and advanced programming. It does show in games like Uncharted and Killzone.

Regarding Wii U, details for both CPU and GPU, as well as amount of RAM and video RAM, are still unclear. Yes I would expect that device will better current consoles, but to which extend?

RE: I am interested but
By Mitch101 on 6/30/2011 3:43:04 PM , Rating: 2
So its like copying my Windows Phone 7 interfacing into my X-Box 360 w/kinect where you can use the screen on your phone to control the game in some respect.

RE: I am interested but
By someguy123 on 6/30/2011 4:58:09 PM , Rating: 1

Not sure where fanboyism will get you. You're posting a device designed specifically because of the wii's motion controls, after trying to scoff at the tablet trend.

All these companies take things from each other, though I doubt nintendo took the idea for the wii u from microsoft in February. I'd avoid the wii U if they don't make good games for it, not because of some blind hatred for tablets or inane love for "hardcore" consoles.

RE: I am interested but
By TheDoc9 on 6/30/2011 10:11:48 AM , Rating: 2
Some people will buy it, not really for me. It's nice to see some innovation though.

RE: I am interested but
By Fracture on 6/30/2011 10:24:27 AM , Rating: 3
How cool would it be if you could create extra controllers for games that require touch screen inputs by downloading a <free> app onto your smartphone/ipod touch that would then sync with the console? Granted the display would have to use much simpler and less cpu/gpu intensive graphics, it would be a huge step forward in unlocking the potential of social gaming.

RE: I am interested but
By TheRealArdrid on 6/30/2011 10:30:09 AM , Rating: 2
The controllers won't cost anything, at least at this point. Nintendo's current stance is that you can only use one Wii U controller per console, and that controller will be packed in with the unit. All other controllers will be standard Wiimotes.

They still don't get it.
By zero2dash on 6/30/2011 12:40:48 PM , Rating: 5
A lot of "core gamers" don't like the Wii because it's nothing but Nintendo franchises we've played 20 times before, and a bunch of 3rd party titles that are weaker versions of titles that are better on the competitor's systems.

You also have a pathetic online setup that isn't even close to being anything like the PSN (let alone the XBLM but let's shoot low and say PSN).

Your system is capped at 480P, Dolby Surround (no 5.1), and uses controllers that are gimmicks upon themselves. Your new console has beefier specs but as soon as the next Xbox and Playstation are unveiled, it will still be in last place and the weakest of the bunch.

I grew up with you, Nintendo. SNES is one of the greatest consoles of all time (tied with the Dreamcast as far as I'm concerned as THE greatest). Let's be honest here though....I've played enough games with Mario in them, and Link is approaching that level. Your least used character out of the "popular 3", Samus, hasn't been in a great game IMHO (admittedly, old-school type) since Metroid: Zero Mission. (I don't care for the FPS Metroid's or Other M.) Maybe I've just outgrown you, I don't know. You just don't "do" it for me anymore.

Any WiiU money I might have set aside will be diverted to whatever console Microsoft comes out with next. Live is just too good at this point to justify spending money on anything you can come up with, until you prove me wrong. I've been let down in the end by both the Gamecube and the Wii, and you don't seem to be doing anything right to earn my trust back. You are a shell of your 16-bit day former selves.

RE: They still don't get it.
By cmdrdredd on 6/30/2011 11:03:03 PM , Rating: 1
Plus they announce a game, show a video and 2-3 years later we still have no release date. Likely they will cancel Skyward Sword and claim "we are making it a WiiU exclusive" bullshit! Fuck you Nintendo!

and this I don't get...
Wii did not use HD because HD cost performance at the time was low.

So...the Xbox360 came out before the Wii and was HD. I didn't notice games running slow. The PS3 was released around the time of the Wii and again, HD..still not slow. WTF Nintendo are you that retarded?

RE: They still don't get it.
By cmdrdredd on 6/30/2011 11:06:50 PM , Rating: 2
I am also very sick of the 1000000000000000000000000 Mario games. Get a new game going already! I don't want to play Mario Super Party, Mario Mini Golf, Mario Poker, Mario goes to the old folks home or anything like that lol.

RE: They still don't get it.
By B3an on 7/2/2011 9:01:46 AM , Rating: 1
You just exactly summed up everything i think about Nintendo and the Wii. Well done.

I also agree that the Dreamcast was the best console, ever. Thank you Sony marketing and mindless consumer fools for killing that truly great machine.

By makius on 6/30/2011 10:37:45 AM , Rating: 3
I haven't held it personally but it looks like it would be rather heavy and bulky. I mean it's basically a small tablet. I can't imagine it being comfortable to hold after 3 hours of play time. Plus I like knowing that when I throw my controller at the cat, or it inevitably ends up getting stepped on, I can pick it right back up and keep on gaming. Somehow I doubt the Wii U controller will be able to do that.

However, the biggest advantage I can see is its ability to still play games on the controller when my girlfriend wants to watch American Idol or The Bachelorette. Now while that would be freaking awesome, I still don't think it's enough to convince me to shell out the cash for a new console...

RE: meh...
By TakinYourPoints on 7/1/2011 6:07:42 AM , Rating: 3
I played with the Wii U at E3 a few weeks ago.

It is light and surprisingly comfortable. It is nothing heavy like an iPad, it feels more like a Kindle in terms of heft.

It is actually great. I went in a serious doubter because of the Wii and how silly the Wii U concept seemed, but after playing the demos I left a believer. The deathmatch demo by itself sold me. Two people with Wii remotes controlled characters on the screen. The person with the Wii U controller piloted a UFO on his own screen with the thumbsticks and aimed with the gyroscope. People on foot vs the person flying the UFO, REALLY fun and showed a ton of potential for developers.

Then there were the 1080p Mario and Zelda demos, mmmmm....

Nintendo is clueless!
By astralsolace on 6/30/2011 12:02:28 PM , Rating: 3
The Wii wasn't popular, not because of its controller, but because:

1)There are SO FEW GOOD GAMES!
2)Wii games look like GARBAGE on an HDTV!
3)The Wii's online offerings are GARBAGE!

"Core gamers" are not going to be drawn in by the stupid i-Pad controller. What is Nintendo smoking??

Core gamers huh?
By TSS on 6/30/2011 4:00:10 PM , Rating: 3
I guess it's a case of not being able to say how the best racing driver feels while driving because nobody but him is the best racing driver.

I'm a hardcore gamer. I've been playing games as soon as my hands had grown big enough to operate a commedore 64 controller, and i've been watching games even before that. And what i want is good gameplay, nothing more, nothing less.

Graphics and the Controller don't make a bit a difference if the gameplay isn't fluent and feels off. Best Case in point: One of my favorite games is DBZ: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 for the Wii. I've completly completed that game, including the survival modes. And it looks like crap on a 56" Full HD TV i can tell you that.

One of the most dissapointing games i own: DBZ: Raging blast, the direct follow up to the above, on the PS3 with "HD graphics".

Why was it so dissapointing? The controls on the PS3 controller simply felt like crap. Compared to the Wii version they where sluggish and annoying (twirling an analog stick to get up is the most annoying input i've ever had to give). The graphics didn't matter one bit (and aside from sharper lines, wheren't that much better). The series itself had not innovated and there where even less characters in the PS3 version then the Wii version.

As for the wii-u, i will certainly hold off from purchasing. There has already been a severe lack of solid 3rd party titles for the Wii and i don't see the situation improving with the Wii-u. If they really wanted to appeal to the hardcore crowd, they'd shown off a multitude of 3rd titles rather then say "look what our fancy box can do".

maybe with "core" gamers he ment "anybody willing to sell a kidney for litteraly anything with "mario" or "zelda" in the name".

To attract core gamers..
By masamasa on 6/30/2011 10:57:07 AM , Rating: 2
To attract core gamers you need to stop making cheese and this new device does not seem to be an exception. The Wii was clearly a game platform focused on families with young kids - 480p along with very gimmicky, cheesy games. I originally bought one at launch and it sat as a coaster after the initial 'coolness' of bowling and tennis wore off. They never released anything worth playing for anyone over six years of age.

By jdietz on 6/30/2011 11:11:49 AM , Rating: 2
I'll probably buy WiiU when there are a decent number of games I want available for the system. I'll definitely get it when Zelda HD is out, which won't be for awhile.

nintendo gets it wrong again
By LumbergTech on 6/30/2011 11:16:53 AM , Rating: 2
don't get me wrong, i think it will do fine with the usual crowd (once the price comes down), but this whole thing about only one tablet controller per in reality if you are playing with friends it uses the same controller as the wii.....really..really..really stupid

Why Nintendo, Why?
By XSpeedracerX on 6/30/2011 2:23:54 PM , Rating: 2
I've no idea why they choose now to spill the beans on the Wii U. It's not like the PS4/Xbox-over-9000 were gonna be at E3, and by tipping their hand like this they've given their competitors ample time to catch up and adopt their ideas into their own next generation console designs.

They should have waited until E3 2012. Then they could have shown us completed hardware with completed specs and even a few launch titles for show attendants to play. It's true that the wii has hit market saturation and their fortunes there are sinking, but showing everyone that the next best thing was right around the corner certainly couldn't have helped that...

The Wii sold out to casuals
By vision33r on 7/1/2011 10:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
They should've changed the name and stop calling it a Wii.

Core gamers do not like the Wii and the name is reminiscent of all things they don't like about it.

Nintendo had one good gen, it's time they take a back seat and re-group.

We don't need Virtual Boy 2 like the 3DS and we don't need a kiddie version of the iPad controller.

What was disappointing?
By lexluthermiester on 7/2/2011 10:29:12 PM , Rating: 2
Investors and analysts are unsure if it can stand up to the challenge after the disappointing E3 presentation.

Seriously, I think it's a cool idea. Can't see even one downside[except the color, more below]. But I'm sure someone will chime in and "let me know the error of my ways". The system is very cool, expect the color, seriously Nintendo? White? When are you going to learn BLACK is the color we all want! Custom painted my Wii. Then bought a black one when it came out. Looks like I should decide what color I want for the WiiU. LOL

By Motoman on 6/30/2011 12:35:14 PM , Rating: 1
I think Nintendo should just let MS and Sony fight over the "hardcore" gamerz. They have the bigger piece of the total market with a product perfectly suited for it...

...but if they did feel compelled to reach out to the 1337, this thing isn't the way to do it. Make them a controller that's pretty much the same thing as what the PS3 and/or 360 have. That's what they want. This thing is...not what they want. And at this stage, I'm not convinced anyone wants it.

"Intel is investing heavily (think gazillions of dollars and bazillions of engineering man hours) in resources to create an Intel host controllers spec in order to speed time to market of the USB 3.0 technology." -- Intel blogger Nick Knupffer

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