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U.S. Senate to telecoms -- I'll scratch your back, if you scratch mine.

Telecoms and many in the federal Executive branch seemed quite content with the increased usage of warrantless phone surveillance, which some people feel violates Americans' legal rights.  The telecoms received large paychecks for every wiretap put in place; Comcast's rate was a modest $1,000 per tap.  Meanwhile, politicians are happy because they were able to extend their surveillance programs as planned.   The program may toss due process out the window, but, in their opinion, that is a necessary loss to deal with today's troubled world.

Then all of a sudden the good times ended, when a few members of Congress demanded telecom's spy records for hearings on the legality of the program.  The phone companies refused, and all of a sudden, their dirty laundry was aired to the public.  The public exposure opened the NSA and telecoms up to legal action from civil liberties groups and citizens.  Sure enough, the Electronic Frontier Foundation filed for a class action lawsuit for the warrantless eavesdropping practices.  Such a lawsuit could cost telecoms and the U.S. government millions of dollars -- enough to rain on any wiretapper's parade. 

Facing mounting political pressure from the Executive Branch, a largely Republican backed coalition in the U.S. Senate formulated and passed a "spy bill" which would grant the telecoms who cooperated with warrantless snooping programs retroactive immunity from lawsuits.   The bill would trash the EFF's suit and 40 other pending lawsuits against Verizon Communications, Sprint Nextel, and AT&T, which accuse the telecoms of violating citizen rights.   The bill replaces a temporary spy law, which was going to expire this week.

The bill's big struggle will be passing in a Democratic-led House, which has shown strong opposition to the bill.  The bill's backers in the Senate claim the bill will also add legal protection of privacy rights for law-abiding Americans swept up in terror hunts.  However such measures would likely be carried out confidentially, raising questions of how to measure their success or maintain accountability.  Sen. Kit Bond, a Missouri Republican and a chief sponsor of the bill, feels that those issues are a moot point and the important thing is that the bill passed.  He expressed frustration with the Democratic resistance, stating, "I don't know what they (House Democrats) are going to do -- I hope they pass it."

If the bill fails in the House, the temporary law will expire on Sunday.  The House would likely be willing to pass another extension of the current law extending the surveillance program, but still leaving the issue open to debate and telecoms open to legal trouble.  Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky also was vexed with the House Democrats' lack of compliance, stating, "We do not need yet another extension, yet another delay. We need to focus on getting our work done."

Interestingly, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman John Rockefeller of West Virginia, a Senate Democrat broke ranks with many of his party members and endorsed the bill.  He however did also voice seemingly contradictory criticism that President Bush enacted the original bill without Senate approval.  Rockefeller tried with little success to sway other members of his party, stating, "Anger over the president's program should not prevent us from addressing the real problems that the president has created."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, voted no and blasted the bill, stating, "I believe that the White House and any companies who broke the law must be held accountable."

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) mandates that the government require approval of a secret FISA court to conduct surveillance programs on suspected foreign agents operating inside the U.S.  Critics argue that Bush's wireless wiretapping program is blatantly illegal and violates FISA.  Bush argues that he has the power to override the FISA.  However, Bush did put the program under FISA supervision in 2007, about 6 years after its inception.
 
The debate about whether telecoms should be granted immunity despite helping to trash due process remains a contentious one.  Some argue that due process is impractical in some situations and flexibility and legal protection needs to be given to entities cooperating with government investigations. 

Meanwhile privacy and civil liberties advocacy groups argue that privacy and free speech are facing unprecedented assaults both online and off.  The conflict leaves U.S. citizens wondering exactly how they feel about the stark realization that their actions and conversations may be monitored.



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This Sucks...
By Gravemind123 on 2/14/2008 10:26:58 AM , Rating: 5
I'm appalled with what the government is doing and what the Telcos did. They broke the law, they should be punished, no matter who told them to break the law, the president himself is not and should never be above the law.

Eroding freedom for some supposed "safety" is not a fair trade. I'd have hoped that the Democrats would finally have done something to save our freedoms, but as always, here's the new boss, same as the old boss.

If the terrorists hate our freedoms, why are we throwing them away to protect ourselves from the terrorists who want to get rid of them? In that sense the terrorists seem to be winning.




RE: This Sucks...
By mdogs444 on 2/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: This Sucks...
By diablofish on 2/14/2008 10:42:30 AM , Rating: 5
As someone who claims to be a conservative, the erosion of your right to due process should be a major concern to you.

"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."

- Pastor Martin Niemöller


RE: This Sucks...
By MrBungle123 on 2/14/2008 10:50:22 AM , Rating: 3
the calls being monitored are coming in from foreign countries, so when a cell phone call is made from a satellite phone in some remote location in pakistan to someone here in the US the govt wants to know what is being discussed. domestic to domestic calls are not being monitored. Given the circumstances this seems reasonable to me.


RE: This Sucks...
By diablofish on 2/14/2008 10:58:44 AM , Rating: 2
And you know that how?


RE: This Sucks...
By helloseth on 2/14/2008 11:01:02 AM , Rating: 2
If that is true, then how do you 'feel' about it?


RE: This Sucks...
By Tsuwamono on 2/14/2008 11:16:45 AM , Rating: 2
<Pull out guitar> Do you, Do you feel like i dooo </bad ass guitar solo>


RE: This Sucks...
By NullSubroutine on 2/15/2008 12:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
Those who make silent evolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.


RE: This Sucks...
By Hieyeck on 2/15/2008 8:38:36 AM , Rating: 4
Put down the guitar hero, you are not a rocker.


RE: This Sucks...
By MrBungle123 on 2/14/2008 11:31:06 AM , Rating: 2
From wikipedia.

quote:
Under this program, referred to by the Bush administration as the "terrorist surveillance program",[1] the NSA is authorized by executive order to monitor, without warrants, phone calls, e-mails, text messaging, and other communication involving any party believed by the NSA to be outside the U.S., even if the other end of the communication lies within the U.S.


quote:
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales confirmed the existence of the program, first reported in a December 2005 article[4][5] in The New York Times, on December 19, 2005. He stated that the program authorizes warrantless intercepts where the government "has a reasonable basis to conclude that one party to the communication is a member of al Qaeda, affiliated with al Qaeda, or a member of an organization affiliated with al Qaeda, or working in support of al Qaeda." and that one party to the conversation is "outside of the United States".


RE: This Sucks...
By yawnbox on 2/14/2008 12:31:45 PM , Rating: 2
really? a publicly open and freely editable source in which the CIA has been caught editing many of its articles?


RE: This Sucks...
By helloseth on 2/14/2008 1:08:31 PM , Rating: 2
Well if you had bothered to read you would see that the wikipedia article is quoting the New York Times and includes links to the articles.


RE: This Sucks...
By DRMichael on 2/14/2008 9:22:29 PM , Rating: 2
Please refer to http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/ for a clearer understanding of what your talking about. If more people would do their own research instead of listening to third parties, (i.e. the news media) their would be a lot less ignorance in the world.


RE: This Sucks...
By wrekd on 2/15/2008 8:36:41 PM , Rating: 2
I checked the link and found this:

quote:
Under the Protect America Act, the Attorney General is required to submit for review to the FISA Court the procedures by which the Federal government determines that the authorized acquisitions of foreign intelligence do not constitute electronic surveillance requiring court approval under FISA.


This part is kind of fuzzy. When is the review submitted? After the information has been gathered? Is it a case by case basis and continually submitted or has the procedure already been submitted to cover all future investigations.


RE: This Sucks...
By DRMichael on 2/16/2008 12:04:55 AM , Rating: 3
The Protect America Act has allowed for the electronic surveillance of non-U.S. citizens located outside the United States without the prior approval of the court; the argument being time sensitivity. For this provision in the Protect America Act, the Attorney General is required to submit for review to the FISA Court the procedures (or means) by which the Federal government has determined that the authorized acquisition of foreign intelligence do not constitute electronic surveillance requiring court approval; in other words: the Attorney General must show the procedures by which the Federal government has determined that the person under electronic surveillance is not a U.S. citizen and is located outside the United States.

The bill that passed the Senate on February 12th, but failed to be voted on in the House today, can be seen here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./tem... it is known as the FISA Amendments Act of 2007.

A layman’s overview of the major changes can be viewed here: http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/L43S2248FISA121707ML....

The wording can be a little difficult to grasp (I had to look at it for a moment myself). Hope this clears it up.


RE: This Sucks...
By tdawg on 2/14/2008 11:24:32 AM , Rating: 5
How about those American citizens with family members working and living in foreign countries? Or friends that are in visiting or volunteering in foreign countries? These calls could very well be monitored and if you say the wrong thing, the government could show up at your house. How fun would that be?


RE: This Sucks...
By MrBungle123 on 2/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: This Sucks...