quote: So don't tell me we can't do 56mpg in the next decade when we could do 45 mpg nearly two decades ago with virtually the same safety equipment, vehicle weight, and overall quality.
quote: It means that the average fuel economy of everything that a company sells needs to be 56 MPG...
quote: It used to be that a heavy full size family sedan was 3000 pounds, now a midsize sedan weighs more than that.
quote: Look for instance at the Ford Fusion. By most people's measure its a fantastic hybrid. Good Power, Great Mileage, Good Feature set. Is it expensive? Yes, but in the long run is 10,000(s) cheaper than the Ford Fusion V6 model.
quote: Today, out of every 10 Fusions sold, 1 or less is a Hybrid model.
quote: The Center for Automotive research claims a mandate of 62 mpg by 2025 would add $10,000 USD to the cost of new vehicles. They say such a mandate could kill the recovering industry.
quote: is 60mpg was feasible it would be common in production cars today.
quote: What planet do these people live on to think adding 10k to production cars is reasonable? Dear government: stop pulling numbers out of your ass, get off your horse, and start figuring out where we can ACTUALLY improve things.
quote: I've never once before seen you whine about it while it was a Republican president making the changes
quote: I'm not a leftist
quote: I would tend to agree with your post, and my stance on Obama has actually shifted quite dramatically in the recent months.
quote: That said, I keep an open mind, and try to remain objective, my mind is not closed for business just because I do not agree with a parties principles as a hole..
quote: Thanks for the laugh. Omni, of course you are. We have been long time opponents here, and EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT, you're on the Left of center. You're a Leftist, plain and simple. It's time to own it.
quote: Ah yes, the tried and true Liberal conversation closer. I love how being Conservative and having a belief system, values, and a strong conviction automatically means I have a closed mind and I'm not objective.
quote: but you just stated you form your opinions based on these beliefs and values.
quote: Not that this problem does not exist all around, it just that conservatives are far more likely to have the very strong belief system and values as you describe (which by itself is not bad thing either)
quote: The problem comes when you form an opinion based on these ideals as though there are not two sides to the coin.
quote: Well of course. We're better and stronger people.
quote: Doesn't George W. Bush have a son we can vote into office?
quote: I don't think so since its probably not possible to reach 150mpg by then if ever.
quote: The fuel tank holds just 10-litres of diesel, offering a range of around 340 miles
quote: How many Americans want the price at the pump to go up two-, three or fivefold?
quote: For lots of people a tiny car will do just fine 99% of the time.
quote: Personally I drive a two-seater sports car
quote: And yet the national average still hasn't hit the peak price under Bush
quote: How many Americans would actually want that?
quote: The point that the government needs to realize is that increasing fuel economy can only go so far until diminishing returns kick in and a new technology is required. EV's and hybrids shift the reliance off of oil and onto rare earth minerals.
quote: if GM were allowed to go down, the effect on the overall economy on top of the already bad situation would really have tanked the overall economy even worse
quote: So, bailouts...if GM were allowed to go down, the effect on the overall economy on top of the already bad situation would really have tanked the overall economy even worse, and things today would be ten times worse than they are right now. If the economy were in GOOD shape when GM and Chrysler were about to go bankrupt, then that would have been another story. In general, I disagree with bailouts, but considering the economic crisis, slowing the freefall in the economy prevented things from getting much worse.
quote: Now, some say that recovery might have happened sooner without all the bailouts,
quote: How about Ethanol...if it reduced fuel economy, that means more gas is burned per mile, which offsets any environmental benefit from the stuff. How much of an environmental benefit is there in 10 or 20 percent Ethanol gas, if any?
quote: The point you raise is interesting because the energy content required to get and manufacture the precious metals needed to make an EV / hybrid should be included in the average mileage - life of a car. It might, for example, be that the energy cost of the technologies used reduces a 60 mpg car to being a 40 mpg car.
quote: A drop in a bucket, if you will.
quote: Make the pickup I referred to above.
quote: Environmentalists were moderately happy with President Obama's proposal. However, some complain that it doesn't go far enough.
quote: Stop spending billions on lobbying ass holes to tell us what we should do and spend it on research instead.
quote: In unveiling the proposal early, President Obama presumably wants to allow time for negotiations and field any complaints about the plan before it heads to Congress.
quote: Famed ultra-wealthy "environmentalist"
quote: After all, those restrictions inflate the prices of sportscars, SUVs, and vans -- all vehicles consumers want.