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Walmart is looking to offload its stock of iPhones to make room for the latest and greatest

It looks as though the iPod touch isn’t the only iOS device seeing price cuts this week. Although not an official Apple offer, Walmart has permanently reduced the price on the current generation iPhone 5C (16GB) and iPhone 5S (16GB).
 
The retail price for the iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S stands at $99 and $199 respectively with a two-year contract. Walmart’s everyday price for the phones was already well below those set prices, ringing in at $49 for the iPhone 5C and $149 for the iPhone 5S.


iPhone 5C
 
Today, Walmart is dropping prices further to $29 and $99 respectively with a two-year contract. Unfortunately, the pricing will not be available online, so you will actually have to make the trek to your local Walmart store to score this particular deal.
 
Apple is likely trying to clear out its inventory of iPhones (the current generation has been out for nearly a year) in preparation for the iPhone 6, which is slated to debut in a few months time. That means that we’ll likely be seeing similar promotions from other retailers as we get closer to the launch of Apple’s next generation flagship smartphone.

Sources: Engadget, Walmart [1], [2]



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Slow news day?
By Gunbuster on 6/27/2014 9:55:03 AM , Rating: 4
The off contract price is still $549. I love how people think they are getting a deal with a 2 year commitment.




RE: Slow news day?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/27/2014 10:00:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I love how people think they are getting a deal with a 2 year commitment.


Hey, you've got to get them into the store somehow ;)

With that said, all of my phone purchases going forward are going to be off contract. Not playing these games anymore.


RE: Slow news day?
By Mitch101 on 6/27/2014 1:12:32 PM , Rating: 2
Makes perfect sense most phone changes are minor incrementals now. From this point will we need Octo cores and 8k resolutions, and more megapixel cameras in a smartphone?

Is there a killer hardware option to consider upgrading? Maybe if your on an iPhone and want it to be bigger?


RE: Slow news day?
By Flunk on 6/27/2014 10:38:01 AM , Rating: 2
Math is not most people's strong suit and they exploit that.


RE: Slow news day?
By GotThumbs on 6/27/2014 12:00:21 PM , Rating: 2
I'd add "lack Logic" to that statement as well.

Too many of today's general consumers buy based on emotion/fashion. Eventually regret sets in once the payments come due.

Just remember, the Sales person is NOT your friend and will NOT make your payments for you, if you are unable to. That is a big part of the reason for the "Housing Bubble" bursting IMO. Too many people over-bought and didn't factor home owners expenses (AC/Roof Replacement, etc.). People simply didn't fully understand the need for saving/budgeting for these situations IMO. Renting has fixed costs, other than occasional rent increases.

Self-responsibly/Self-accountability has long been fading in this nation.

~Best wishes on keeping what you earned.


RE: Slow news day?
By Dorkyman on 6/27/2014 12:54:59 PM , Rating: 2
At a family gathering a few months ago, a 20-ish nephew asked me for advice on buying a car. I suggested at least 5 and maybe 10 years old so no depreciation expense, and maybe a classic so it would be fun to drive and go UP in value.

So he turns around and LEASES a brand-new Mazda6. Yeah, nice car but he will be paying through the nose and a year from now the new-car smell and glossy finish will be memories. And no money in the bank.

But I guess that's experience talking.

So yeah, no more contract phones for our family. Ever.


RE: Slow news day?
By aliasfox on 6/27/2014 1:11:12 PM , Rating: 2
Depending on the deals on offer, buying a new car can make sense - with factory incentives, low/no interest loans from the manufacturer, and a bit of negotiation, a new car can often come to within a few percent of a 2-3 yr old used model. I remember helping my ex get a new TSX back in 2006 for $28k (sticker of ~$32k), when three year old examples with 30k miles were going for $26,500. $1500 for new tires, brakes, battery, and a full warranty doesn't seem like a bad deal.

In some cases, if a lease is heavily subvented by the manufacturer, that may be cheap enough to consider as well. For example, if the car he leased costs $25k, and the manufacturer assumes 75% residuals at the end of a 3yr, 36k mile lease (highly improbable), then the cost of the lease to your nephew would be ~$5k, or under $150/month. However, given that the Mazda6 is a new model, I find that highly unlikely.


RE: Slow news day?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/27/2014 3:22:56 PM , Rating: 1
No, this is terrible terrible advice.

Read a Dave Ramsey book.


RE: Slow news day?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 3:49:35 PM , Rating: 3
Be your own person, not sheeple. Just because someone wrote a book and sounds smart, doesn't mean they are.

Dave Ramsey is an idiot.

"Saving only $100 per month from age 25 to age 65 at 12% growth = $1,176,000. Everyone should retire a millionaire!"

Brilliant advice, right? Except that you can't guarantee a 12% return on investment over a 40+ year period!

So you know what, you and all the other sheeple idiots who eat up his "advice" go enjoy being millionaires by saving a few dollars here and there and thinking it's magically going to accrue you wealth. When over 80% of actively managed portfolios in America are under-performing. And 75% of all investment funds under-perform.

Oh and guess what? Ramsey, who blasts people who say they can't save, declared bankruptcy himself years ago. Oooops!

Hey do you feel a little stupid now? You should. Blindly appealing to an authority without doing any homework, real smart.

Oh and be sure to let him pick those mutual funds for you, the ones he coincidentally gets compensated for steering people toward...


RE: Slow news day?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/27/2014 4:37:05 PM , Rating: 3
http://i.imgur.com/oZvS8b4.jpg

That'll do donkey, that'll do.


RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/27/2014 4:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
Putting money into a car or house that you don't own is asinine. Dodging the issue doesn't change that.

A business lease on a car is the only thing I can justify, mainly for tax reasons. Otherwise it makes no sense compared to buying, even if it's used.

Use your brain


RE: Slow news day?
By Spuke on 6/27/2014 5:58:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Use your brain
That was a pretty solid reply as far as I was concerned. Dave Ramsey does have some good advice but don't just blindly follow everything or nearly everything the man says. Use YOUR brain! Think for yourself.


RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 12:48:26 AM , Rating: 2
Thinking is something retro should try some time. His post on car leasing is a sea of facepalm.

It shouldn't be surprising given his idiotic political and tech posts, but I still facepalmed...


RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 1:09:34 AM , Rating: 2
Bleh, all these "r" names. I meant reclaimer. Retro is a zealot but he isn't stupid either.


RE: Slow news day?
By Dorkyman on 6/29/2014 11:19:12 AM , Rating: 2
Getting back to this thread late.

You can build a solid credit score by taking out a couple of credit cards and making sure they are paid off in full every month.

Plenty of 5-year-old cars with excellent fuel economy, and older cars can run almost forever (see Consumer Reports for the best models). We have a '97 Mountaineer (Ford Explorer) still in the family that has 150,000 miles on the original plugs and no significant repairs.

Don't know much about Ramsey, but I enjoy the comments of Clark Howard, another common-sense consumer guy. He, too, says new cars and/or leases are poison. The idea is to build your OWN net worth, not pay interest to someone else.
I know exactly what it feels like to get something brand new--hey, I was young once. You want to feel validated, to have what they show in shiny colors and high production values on TV. Now I'm significantly older, and amazed that my bank account balances have more zeroes behind them than I would have thought--certainly more than I planned for. Fairly frugal but also lucky.


RE: Slow news day?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/30/2014 11:42:46 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
You can build a solid credit score by taking out a couple of credit cards and making sure they are paid off in full every month.


Statistics show this is not the way to go. Especially for young people. Credits cards are the WORST, most people are unable to stop themselves from carrying a balance forward. Late payment? Oh joy, your interest rate just shot through the roof.

The credit card business model is built on predatory practices, bait and switch tactics, hidden fees, and other such shady practices. It's all too common for people, especially young adults, to fall into that trap and spend years and small fortunes just getting out.

quote:
The idea is to build your OWN net worth, not pay interest to someone else.


Both my cars are bought and paid for. So I'm not advocating one solution over the other here. It's all based on what works for you. Leases make a LOT of sense for certain individuals.

I will say however, that cars are not an investment like homes. They never appreciate in value, and you NEVER get out what you put into them on resale.

Koolaid, as usual, is just spitting a bunch of angry ignorant vitriol here without even using his brain. He probably just pulled Ramsey up on Google because he wanted to look smart or knowledgeable about finances.

Hey Koolaid, I wonder what Ramsey would say about you paying a huge premium for the iPhone just for the privilege of owning an Apple product, when there are phones that do everything and more for far less?

Oohhh burn :P


RE: Slow news day?
By retrospooty on 6/30/2014 12:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
"Hey Koolaid, I wonder what Ramsey would say about you paying a huge premium for the iPhone just for the privilege of owning an Apple product, when there are phones that do everything and more for far less?"

LOL... The point goes to reclaimer.

On the subject of credit, it can be a good thing. If you need a reliable car to get to work there is nothing wrong with getting a reasonable car and loan to get you there. Same with a house. My first house netted me over $100,000 selling it a few years later and we used that $ to buy another house with a far larger down payment. Now I am on track to have 2 completely paid off homes, paying the mortgages off early in less than 15 years (they are both standard 30 year loans). Credit card balances are generally bad, but auto and home can be good as long as you are buying within your means - that is the key (dont buy a McMansion if you cant afford it). Even Ramsay will tell you that. His goal will be for you to pay off those auto and home loans and be debt free as a goal, but not that you should never use a loan as a means to that end.


RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/30/2014 6:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
Way to miss the point of the post entirely. The only time a car lease makes sense is if you can write it off as a business lease. Otherwise its a waste.

As for phones, he'd probably say I made a wiser investment than spending the same amount on an Android phone that lags, isn't guaranteed OS updates, and has garbage apps.

But hey, Pokemon theme.


RE: Slow news day?
By retrospooty on 6/30/2014 7:22:34 PM , Rating: 2
"Way to miss the point of the post entirely. The only time a car lease makes sense is if you can write it off as a business lease. Otherwise its a waste."

The world isn't so black and white... It can make sense if you are starting out, dont have cash, and have a job and need a reliable car to get you to that job reliably so you can keep it. It does make sense for some people. The trick is to buy within your means, and pay it off ASAP (early) and dont keep buying on credit.

"But hey, Pokemon theme"

Since you are continuing to be completely ingorant on this, it sounds to me like you are begging for it...

- Larger Screens
- Higher resolution screens
- Higher DPI
- Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel)
- Micro SD card
- Removable batteries
- NFC
- 802.11ac
- Mini HDMI port
- Standard Exchange Activesync security features like auto remove and remote device wipe
- Setting default apps
- Far better keyboards (still no 5th row or alt long press mappings on IOS kb)
- Back button
- Better Notifications
- Better Voice search (Google Now > Siri)
- Better Mapping software
- Widgets
- Live wallpaper
- Plays HD content without downscaling
- Greater than 5x4 icons - (cant have more even on the retina iPad)
- Multi user support
- Multi Window support
- pop up browser(in a window)
- Wireless charging
- Eye scrolling
- Waterproof models
- Air gestures
- Active stylus support
- Better OS
- Better UI
- Micro USB
- Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc)
- Flexibility in hardware (qwerty models, waterproof models, removable batteries, larger models, smaller models, high end models, mid range models, cheap models)

That is just a LITTLE bit more than themes there. Wait... I forgot to add themes to the list LOL. 1 more now, thanks for that!

Try being less ignorant. You are looking more and more trollish every time you come back here and act LIKE IOS doesn't have the same potential lag issues as Android.

http://forums.imore.com/iphone-5/262244-ios-7-lag-...

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5319637?start...

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23768816#237...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4unWPhqfp4


RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 7/1/2014 4:20:34 AM , Rating: 2
I know all about those features. Some like SD card storage, aside from only being good for media, are being depreciated by and aren't officially supported by Google. Others like back buttons aren't better because they don't exhibit consistent behavior between applications (even among Google apps and their own OS) and are a waste of space. ActiveSync support and auto remove/remote wipe were on iOS years before Android. Better voice search and mapping is moot because those are also on iOS, and in some cases were there first. Live wallpaper is deep in Pokemon territory, so have fun there. Eye scrolling and air gestures are useless features that don't work properly and were made by Samsung to fill in bulletpoints feature lists for suckers fooled by marketing.

This list of yours is easily dismantled. There are literally three good items there. The rest are either useless gimmicks, are done by iOS apps, or were already core in iOS.

If only Android had these features.

- Secure, stable, fast OS that gets guaranteed updates
- Best mobile applications instead of missing apps or bad ports from iOS that are an afterthought
- A good SDK
- Doesn't require insane hardware with huge power draw to do what a $100 WP8 device does, let alone a much smaller iOS device

Good on Google for trying to transition from Dalvik to ART though. In two or three years they may get app performance up to where iOS already was three years ago. Of course, Apple has Swift, SceneKit, and Metal out for iOS 8, so Android will continue to lag years behind in development tools and software performance,.

You claim to be technical but ignore the fact that Android is a pig just based on the fact that it runs interpreted instead of native code. iOS continues to get native code closer to the hardware while Android is just starting to transition its runtime from a JIT to an AOT compiler.

This is supposed to be advanced?

But hey, Pokemon themes


RE: Slow news day?
By retrospooty on 7/1/2014 8:22:16 AM , Rating: 2
"This list of yours is easily dismantled. There are literally three good items there. The rest are either useless gimmicks, are done by iOS apps, or were already core in iOS"

Again, you cant separate your needs from other peoples needs. It isnt all about YOU . 3 items to you (and I call BS on the EAS one because it's not integrated into Exchange as it is in Android and WP). YOu have to be in severe denial to balk at items on this list, but its not about the individual things that YOU may not need, again, its about flexibility to support thing that others DO need. Its a HUGE list that demands respect.

And I absolutely LOVE how you 5x now completely ignore all those links I gave you how IOS lags from Apple users on Apple forums... WTF! I take that as you have no answer for it. IOS lags, even on the iPad air FFS, but you keep acting like its oonly an Android thing. Android does have its issues, but so does IOS.


RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 7/1/2014 9:15:29 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't ignore it, its ridiculous because you made the exact same argument against me when I linked negative posts about Android from Android forums. You said that a few posts from Android forums can't be used to make a point because ANYTHING negative can be cherry picked from the internet.

I'm shocked that you're so tone deaf. Either that or you're conveniently forgetting your own arguments so you can defend "your precious".

And either way, it doesn't support your argument because it doesn't represent things on a whole. As you said to me before, posts on a tech support forum emphasize the negative, because why else would someone post there? An old iPhone, iPad, or WP8 device is consistently smoother and more responsive than competing Android flagships. Reviews and real world usage say this over and over. Even the staunchest Android defender usually concedes this point. You're on another level.

If you can't tell then you clearly have issues discerning responsiveness, or you just don't care and it isn't a priority.


RE: Slow news day?
By KoolAidMan1 on 7/1/2014 9:28:05 PM , Rating: 2
And as for "respecting the list", the list of things Android cannot do because developers either ignore it or treat it as a second class platform for shoddy ports dwarfs everything you wrote there.

So yeah, Pokemon themes.


RE: Slow news day?
By retrospooty on 7/1/2014 9:43:03 PM , Rating: 2
"I didn't ignore it, its ridiculous because you made the exact same argument against me when I linked negative posts about Android from Android forums...... I'm shocked that you're so tone deaf. Either that or you're conveniently forgetting your own arguments so you can defend "your precious""

Exactly... And this is where you go off the rails with your incessant defense of IOS. You get so caught up in your defense field you stop paying attention to the debate you are in. That did happen and I do remember it. I post the same back at you to show that you aren't fighting with a fair stick. Get it? I know every OS has issues. Android has Dalvik and surely it biggest weakness is the potential lag. It is MUCH worse when OEM's bloat it out and it can be virtually fixed if you take the time to tweak it out. Not a job for newbs for sure... That is what I have been saying all along! Getting rid of it in A5 should go a long way. Good riddance.

You on the other hand keep acting like IOS doesn't have the same type of faults, potential lags and the huge list of missing features doesn't matter. I agree, it doesn't matter to you, but these products are designed for everyone, not you (or me).

"If you can't tell then you clearly have issues discerning responsiveness, or you just don't care and it isn't a priority."

I can tell and that is why I root mine and remove the bloat and tweak it out so it runs fast as hell. I can tell on my iPad 4 right here on my desk that has nothing loaded app wise, a fresh unit with IOS 7.1.1 and it lags - noticeably more than any of my Android devices (stock tweaked) do. It lags scrolling web pages, transitions and launching apps, just like a bloaty S4 (not as bad though).

Like I keep saying, use what you prefer, but you come here repetitively acting like Android issues are far larger than they are and that IOS doesn't have it's own issues. You do that, and I will post against you. Nothing I said about IOS is untrue, not one thing. It has issues and for you to act like they don't exist while you pick apart the competition with a fine tooth comb shows a clear and obvious bias and you know it . That's all I am saying.


RE: Slow news day?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 11:55:43 AM , Rating: 1
If everyone had $500-800 dollars to spend on a phone, I'm sure they would.

Maybe there are people out there who aren't in your fortunate financial situation. Ever thought about that? The contract model allows them to have whatever phone they want.

People understand they're paying more in the long-run when they finance cars and homes, why do you assume phones are any different? I'm pretty sure people understand what kind of "deal" they are getting. They're just getting the one that works for them!

Sorry it just pisses me off when you guys look down on people for financing phones. Do you think the average person going to WalMart to buy a smartphone has ~$500 to blow on an iPhone?

Freaking elitist....


RE: Slow news day?
By BRB29 on 6/27/2014 12:37:48 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe if you stop getting a loan for everything and trap yourself with monthly interest payments, then $500-700 isn't a problem.

The basic fundamentals of budgeting says these monthly payments are a bigger drain and liability than if you just save up. It only takes a month for most people to save more than $500.


RE: Slow news day?
By Spuke on 6/27/2014 11:57:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It only takes a month for most people to save more than $500.
LMAO! They do? Really? Some of you guys ARE elitists. Nothing wrong with the contract model. Nothing wrong with buying homes and cars with loans either. Quite frankly, if it weren't for those people (which WELL over 90% mind you), none of these products would exist or they would be so expensive that you guys couldn't afford them either.


RE: Slow news day?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 1:32:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
LMAO! They do? Really? Some of you guys ARE elitists. Nothing wrong with the contract model. Nothing wrong with buying homes and cars with loans either.


I feel they are biting the hand that feeds them, yes. Without millions of "idiots" purchasing subsidized phone plans, there wouldn't BE affordable off-contract smartphones at all.

I'm getting a real preachy out-of-touch vibe from these cave dwellers on DT over a variety of subjects (phones, EV's, etc etc). They obviously cannot look past their own noses and see not everyone is in their situation.

The elitism is sad. I'm pretty sure despite what they think, the pre 1950's economy of buying everything with cash and never financing isn't coming back. Certainly not in THIS economy.

Judging someone because they signed a phone contract...I mean, really??

"Most people" can save $500 a month? Just..wtf! Just last week a major study was on the news that MOST Americans have little to NO savings. Certainly nowhere near on the level of $500 a month every month.


RE: Slow news day?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 2:01:59 PM , Rating: 1
Also we're all focusing on the money, but there's another factor. Most carriers really don't play nice with non-contract phones.

Verizon, the largest carrier, makes it a complete headache for a normal person to do it. And their pre-paid plans are garbage.


RE: Slow news day?
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 2:52:31 PM , Rating: 2
T-mobiles is fine and has been for a while.
AT&T fixed their (At the low end prices) a few months ago. AT&T can end up being at the same price as T-mobile for t he 1GB (or less) Data offerings given you pay off the phone over 20/24 months.

IDK about sprint/Verizon, I don't deal with them at all. Although, given my experience with Verizon with my Moto G (bought for near-stock Android usage, not to use as a phone) bootlocker and other stuff they do, they just don't like giving anyone choices.


RE: Slow news day?
By Dr of crap on 6/27/2014 12:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
Lets do the math then -
$550 for 24 months = $24 a month. Not much, AND you can roll that into the payments until its paid off.

So on my plan/service instead of me having to fork over $550, I get a phone for free on an upgrade and a 2 year deal, and the phone is factored in the monthly price, about $24.

Lets take the ATT plan of $160 for 4 lines for a month. THAT does NOT include any phone its just the cell service. So for a family of 4, they have to fork out $2200 for 4 of your $550 phones. BUT on my plan I just get a new phone on contract which has no upfront cost.

AND with the phones now the damn batteries MIGHT last 2 years if your lucky, but not much past that. My current phone is just over 2 years, I don't use it that much, and I can tell the battery life is considerably down from what it was new.

Seems to me the better deal is the 2 year contract!


RE: Slow news day?
By Apone on 6/27/2014 1:25:02 PM , Rating: 2
@ Dr. of crap

Your math is a little off. Even with a "free" phone, a 2-year contract would run you about $2000 (assuming an $80 monthly plan) which is where cell phone retailers make their profit. If you didn't opt for a "free" phone, then tack on that additional $24 per month so really your total long-term investment has become $2550.

This is why some people fancy prepaid plans (so you're not locked into a contract) while others like a "bring your own device" (e.g. T-Mobile) solution so they can just start using the service with their existing already-paid off phone.


RE: Slow news day?
By sleepeeg3 on 6/27/2014 1:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
Let's do the math again...
An iPhone 5S on an AT&T plan with 2GB of total data and unlimited talk and text is $80. On top of that, there are the following taxes and fees:

State
CALIFORNIA
Federal Universal Service Fund - $13.28 (16.6% tax)
State Universal Service Fund - $0.00
Regulatory Cost Recovery Charge - 0.66
Administrative Fee - $0.61
Other AT&T Surcharges - $0.15 (0.18%)+ $0.28

TOTAL = $80 + $14.98 = $94.98 per month

Now compare that to the $30 per month (no taxes or fees) I pay for a T-Mobile prepaid plan with 5GB of high-speed data, 100 minutes of talk and unlimited text (I can add 100 minutes of talk for $10 month). Over two years, I save $1009.52 , based on a phone price of $550. For the record, I saved an additional $150, by buying the phone 6 months after release.

If you want to stick with AT&T and need more talk time, they sell prepaid plans under the Cricket Wireless website. $45 per month will get you 2.5GB of high speed data and unlimited talk and text. That saves you $649.52 over 2 years.

You are getting ripped off.

Keep in mind the phones are as expensive as they are BECAUSE there are people forking over obscene amounts for the contract prices and the device manufacturers can charge whatever they want to the carriers who are willing to pass those costs on to the naive consumer that want the latest and greatest.


RE: Slow news day?
By BRB29 on 6/27/2014 1:57:53 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
You are getting ripped off.


It's tough to convince people that are being ripped off so often that they think it's normal. They don't realize that the rest of the world is paying $20-30 a month while Americans pay $80+ to fatten Verizon and ATT's margins.

Americans are the only people that are just signing long term contracts, taking up loans, buying things they don't need because they think the monthly payments are within their salary. This is why default rates are so high in the last recession. Nobody saves money for rainy days and everyone thinks their jobs are "secured". It's like we had it so good for so long that we forgot fundamentals of life.


RE: Slow news day?
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 2:12:57 PM , Rating: 2
either compare prepaid versus prepaid, or post-paid versus post-paid.

The $30 is a "promo" (That you can get my insisting, iirc) prepaid plan.

iirc, AT&T has a plan locally for $50 that is a few hundred minutes of talk, unlimited text, and 3GB of "high speed" (whatever that means) followed by "unlimited" throttled data.

I would say that competes fine with T-mobiles pricing.

Now, onto post paid... Tmobile wins, but, not close to what you talk about.... On individual plans, they are ~$35 cheaper for 5GB of Data (down to same price for 1GB) and also they have an unlimited option.

On family, for 4 lines, 10GB shared from AT&T wouldbe $160, Tmobile 3GB each (cannot do shared there, which, would be nice.... so, it likely would end up being lower) they are $140.

Is tmobile cheaper? Yes. Will it save you more than two hundred dollars a year if you are a savy consumer? Nope. I would save exactly 0 dollars moving to T-mobile, personally, it would cost me (got my phone ~$110 off via AT&T next) more money for worse service.


RE: Slow news day?
By Spuke on 6/27/2014 3:40:54 PM , Rating: 3
Man I wish I could get in on one of these prepaid plans but everyone except Verizon has crap coverage not only where I live but where I work, where I spend most of vacations at and where my in-laws live. Seriously, Verizons coverage is so good here I can get 15MB 4G in a friggin state park on the beach. No one else is that good. I'd even do their pay as you go but they don't offer 4G on those plans.


RE: Slow news day?
By fleshconsumed on 6/27/2014 7:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
If you're willing to give up 4G/LTE there is always PagePlus.


RE: Slow news day?
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 1:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
First off, ATT next = pay phone off over 20 months.
second off, if you use a mobile share plan, you save money. It is $15 for all plans with under 10GB shared... and $25 per phone for over 10GB

I pay $27/month for my phone ($540) over 20 months.
I save $15/mo from my phone bill.
I save an extra $60 at the last 4 months vs. a 2 year contract.

I pay 12*20 = 240-60 = 180. My phone would have been $200 on contract.

I pay less up front, and less over time. If you buy a flagship phone, the next program from AT&T is good.

If you get any phone under $460 dollars on it, it beats $100 + 2 year contract.
If you get any phone under 360 dollars, it beats free phone + 2 year.

Math is easy. So, if AT&T is giving you a free phone every 2 years for free, it is likely not a flagship.... meaning it probably costs under $500, perhaps under $400, maybe even under $360.

Of course, you also are not stuck in a contract...


RE: Slow news day?
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 2:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
What plan are you looking at? AT&T mobile share 10GB costs $160 WITH 4 lines (given the phones were bought/AT&T Next).

I don't know what stupid plan you are looking at... Granted, t-mobile plan offering approx equivalent data to 4 people on 1 bill WOULD save you money... about $20 a month.

Or, $240 a year (probably more like 270-280 due to taxes) which comes out to 60-70 dollars a person. Is it good, no. But, given you live in a place where AT&T coverage is much better, it can be worth it.


RE: Slow news day?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 1:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
Who's "you"? I'm not talking about myself here!


RE: Slow news day?
By danbob999 on 6/27/2014 1:23:44 PM , Rating: 3
If you can't buy a $500-800 phone outright, you shouldn't buy a $500-800 phone, period. There is nothing elitist in this truth. A $800 car or home (if they were to exist) shouldn't be financed either. The financing overhead for such low amount isn't worth it.
Never forget you can drop your $800 phone in the water and ruin it any day. Therefore you should be financially prepared to replace it or live without it.


RE: Slow news day?
By Spuke on 6/27/2014 12:30:18 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
If you can't buy a $500-800 phone outright, you shouldn't buy a $500-800 phone, period.
Sounds elitist to me with some ignorance of how things work mixed in. Do you really think that if 90% of the market were removed you'd still have that market?


RE: Slow news day?
By ritualm on 6/28/2014 4:46:13 AM , Rating: 3
The less financially well-off a person is, the more likely that person owns an iPhone. Why? Because they see them as status symbols. Risking a home foreclosure and selling their own healthy organs on the black market are perfectly acceptable when they absolutely must have the shiniest toys the market can offer.


RE: Slow news day?
By aliasfox on 6/27/2014 12:29:44 PM , Rating: 2
Over the course of a two year contract, setting aside $20-30/month for the next phone isn't that difficult. If it is, you probably shouldn't be looking at a $199 phone with an $80-120 plan in the first place.

$30 barely gets two movie tickets, so waiting a month for Redbox to have the latest Transformers is all that's needed. Or, one fewer beer a week ($6+$1 tip around here). Alternatively, you can still go to Starbucks, but switch from a Venti double mocha with extra calories to... say, coffee twice a week would be enough, too.

I pay $62 all in for unlimited on T-Mobile. In fact, my cell phone bill and my internet bill together are <$100. When coworkers ask how I can afford some of my other toys, that's the first fact I point out. $100 on Verizon and $120 for Time Warner's triple play, when I barely have time to turn on Netflix and already have unlimited voice on my cell phone? Thanks, no.


RE: Slow news day?
By hughlle on 6/27/2014 1:04:45 PM , Rating: 1
And now how about making a logical argument?

$549, and how does that compare once you've taken the pay as you go cost of data, texts, and minutes over the two year period?

All i've been told is that contracts are a rip off compared to just buying a handset straight up. Yet there is a reason i picked up my M7 on contract, not as a standalone handset. Over two years, i will have saved many hundreds of pounds as opposed to had i bought the handset and then a sim card and the suitable allowances.


RE: Slow news day?
By Dorkyman on 6/27/2014 1:02:10 PM , Rating: 2
Once our Sprint phones went off-contract we signed up with Ting. We use our two smartphones a lot, monthly bill for the two phones is ~$55. Total. Used to be ~$120 on Sprint contract.


$29 for a 2 year old phone and a 2 year contract...
By tayb on 6/27/2014 10:11:37 AM , Rating: 2
It is cheap but it's $29 for a two year old phone with a two year contract. By the time the contract is up the phone will be four years old. That's ancient in the smartphone space.

If you are dead set on an iPhone I would just wait until the new ones come out in a couple of months. Otherwise there are much better options at the budget end than a $29 two year old phone.




By Flunk on 6/27/2014 9:26:06 AM , Rating: 3
No everyone cares about being on the bleeding edge. I know plenty of people still using Moto Droids and iPhone 4s.


By superflex on 6/27/2014 10:14:47 AM , Rating: 2
New cars are for idiots.
People love used cars, especially those without the .gov mandated black box EDRs.


By Flunk on 6/27/2014 10:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
You've defeated your own argument, people buy used cars all the time and most people don't care a damn if they have the latest model.

Also, relating a smartphone that's a few years old to a car with a carburetor is silly, that's like comparing a Galaxy S5 to a Motorola StarTAC. Take a look at used cars priced at $500, they're all fuel injected.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 11:46:14 AM , Rating: 4
I think you're missing the point. The iPhone 5C is literally made of iPhone 5 internals in a plastic case. And okay, not everyone needs cutting edge tech, I agree.

The problem is, and what the OP is getting at, is Apple is charging upwards of $700 for it! If Samsung took the Galaxy S4, wrapped it in aluminum, and sold it for $800 people would call them out on it. But for some reason Apple gets a free pass charging premium price for recycled last-gen hardware.

I have a work-issued iPhone 5c, and honestly, I feel it's worth about $100 OFF CONTRACT. It's just that bad of a phone.


By superflex on 6/27/2014 12:50:42 PM , Rating: 3
But Apple is taking the old 5 (a phone that had an aluminum body) wrapped it in bubblegum plastic for the kids of iPhone soccer moms, and charges less than the metal body phone.

How does this relate to your example of an aluminum body SGS4?

Looks like your employer thinks of you the same soccer moms think of their kids.

Too stupid and irresponsible to maintain a top of the line phone.


By Cheesew1z69 on 6/27/2014 1:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and charges less than the metal body phone.
It's really not that much less.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 1:36:32 PM , Rating: 2
Oh wow someone on the Internet didn't use a PERFECT analogy! That's shocking!

You've missed the entire point...


By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 2:26:34 PM , Rating: 2
I think either you expect to much, or, Apple managed to copy Nokia's Lumia design and did super-badly... which, is surprising. Apple is usually quite good at copying things and making them the same quality/better.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/27/2014 3:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
The old guts of the iPhone 5C bench as fast as or faster than a newer GS4. Unlike the GS4 it also has good apps and runs an OS that isn't held together by tape and bubblegum. The price is definitely up there but it isn't outrageous either.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 3:29:54 PM , Rating: 5
We all know cross-platform benchmarking heavily favors Apple and always has.

http://mostly-tech.com/2012/09/29/the-dirty-little...

We also know only having to push 600p heavily favors benchmarks.

I use the thing every day, it's a POS. And no matter how much "faster" it is, that can't make up for the tiny screen and massive list of things it CAN'T do.


By retrospooty on 6/27/2014 5:35:04 PM , Rating: 4
Ya, but you are clueless. You are exactly the target audience for an iPhone


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 12:32:27 AM , Rating: 2
I know exactly what they're all capable of and how to tweak the crap out of them. All Android has is big screens. Everything else about it is so bad.

SO BAD.

I mean, jesus, its STILL so broken and half finished. The things you people defend is so funny too. Widgets, literally the most overrated feature ever. All I can think when you people mention it is "really?".

Google should be ashamed for putting out such a half finished product. They use the "beta" excuse all the time anyway and it's all "free", so people will defend it no matter what. Doesn't matter how inferior it is to other operating systems. Its like people defending the dumb kid in class or an ugly girlfriend.

Applying Pokemon themes is there though, you have that at least!


By retrospooty on 6/29/2014 2:09:19 AM , Rating: 2
Oh please, Android has its weaknesses, as does any OS, but you act like IOS has it all wrapped up in a perfect package and it simply doesn't. It has issues, it has lags, it has bugs, and is simply missing WAY too many valuable features to call itself a high end mobile OS. The OS is a joke of "cants" at this point when discussing high end phones.., It has potential and sells well and has its merits too as do they all, but your hard on against Google clouds your ability to fairly evaluate anything. You keep coming back acting as if you are unbiased, but you are clearly biased to the point its laughable.

" Google should be ashamed for putting out such a half finished product. They use the "beta" excuse all the time anyway and it's all "free", so people will defend it no matter what. Doesn't matter how inferior it is to other operating systems"

I agree some of the free stuff is cheap and half assed, but Android is miles... No, light years ahead of IOS at this point. Inferior? Are you insane? FFS, Apple is copying features left and right from this inferior OS. How can that be? IOS still doesn't have multi user, or a decent keyboard with a # row or alt key mappings. Even on a huge iPad you can't put more than 5 icons in a row. Looks like a kindergarten launcher. It still doesn't support EAS security fully in 2014, or dozens of other features that others do. Apple still hasnt figured out resolution scaling, or multiwindow ( but at least they are catching up on that in ios8) Seriously "superior" LOL. Is that really the word you want to use?

I think you need to go look up what superior means... Also try and grasp that different people have different needs and priorities than you do. I mean, I get that and I get why you like it. My mother and grandma have I phones and they love them, but for a tech user? Sorry IOS isn't up to par.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 11:41:56 PM , Rating: 2
You might as well be telling me to switch from Windows to Linux.

Not happening man


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 11:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but for a tech user? Sorry IOS isn't up to par.


This is a terrible argument. I know highly technical users on iOS, Android, and WP. The ones who use iOS do it because it is reliable and it has tools and functionality that no other mobile platform does. You know, apps.

Also, a tech user is not a lowly IT guy, tier 1 tech support, or whatever the regular zealots here do. Rooting your phone or tweaking your desktop does not make one a techie. That's amateur.


By retrospooty on 6/30/2014 2:16:58 AM , Rating: 2
Way to miss the point entirely. Good reading.


By Spuke on 6/27/2014 6:14:07 PM , Rating: 4
I get all that PLUS tweakability but that's not why I own an Android. I simply prefer a larger screen AND I just don't want to use my phone Apple's way. Personally, I've recommended iPhone's to people (and still do). You can't really go wrong with them but choice is a good thing and I chose an Android.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 12:38:50 AM , Rating: 1
Funny thing is that real life practical use reflects iOS having higher performance. Inherent latency issues still prevent audio and video apps being as good as iOS counterparts, and the issue of input lag and responsiveness is still there after all this time. Google has been applying band-aids for years and its still years behind.

As for resolution, iOS devices still win out on off-screen benchmarks where every device is outputting to the same res.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it is ridiculous that a $100 WP8 device is smoother than an Android flagship.


By retrospooty on 6/29/2014 2:25:03 AM , Rating: 3
Sorry, you don't get to say that any more. We have addressed it, found you to be a liar, and every time you are confronted with reality you disappear and act like you didn't see it in typical troll fashion. Pasted below is that last time, but not the only time. Check the link and the links in that post.

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=34835...

We know your experience with Android is a GS4, which is actually the single bloatiest phone ever made. A horrible product for sure, but not an indication of the rest of the platform. Get that through your head and stop trolling. What is with you and Google? Why such bias that you need to lie about it ? Seriously, get a grip and stop trolling. There is more to life than Apple and bashing Apples competitors. You are becoming worse than Tony Swash. IOS has its problems and its many missing features. Far too many for you to even throw stones.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 2:39:45 AM , Rating: 2
Every platform has problems. I'll take iOS problems over bad or missing apps on Android and an OS that it still playing catchup in stability and performance to others out there.

Polish and apps or tweakability, the choice is there and up to the user.


By retrospooty on 6/29/2014 2:59:06 AM , Rating: 2
How about you take ios, use it and enjoy it and just stop posting incorrect things about a platform you know nothing about. I know you say you do, but you don't. Really, you dont, its obvious.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 11:44:23 PM , Rating: 2
Denying objective truths like inferior apps and performance isn't true because you say so.

If you're going to say that all OSes have faults then stop claiming that Android doesn't seriously lag in those areas.


By retrospooty on 6/30/2014 2:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
I have no problem admitting Android faults, and I have no problem admitting where iOS excels. It does have better apps by a bit. Your ridiculous 1000 times better claim is just stupid. My point in the post above is that you don't know what you are talking about. You don't use it, you never spent any significant amount of time with it and you don't know what the hell your saying so just stop. Note the things I said above about iOS are all true. Much of the silly claims you make about Android are pure garbage. Your constant use of the term inferior and superior boggles me. Either you don't know what they mean or you just have trouble separating your own needs verses other people's needs. Obviously you arent stupid, I think you know what they mean so it must be the latter. like I said your priorities are apps, and the huge list of things you can't do on iOS happen to be not important to you so stay with Apple. No one is asking you to change anything. Other people have differentvpriorities than you. All I am saying is to stop posting ignorant and incorrect comments about a platform you dont use and havent taken the time to grasp.


By retrospooty on 6/30/2014 6:54:54 PM , Rating: 3
See this is exactly my point.

"I had Android phones as my daily driver for two years - See more at"

OK, so I assume its older than 2 years, Android really was sheeut back then.

"have access to a GS4 "

The single bloatiest phone ever made. It is a really good example of what you are saying, its just not indicitive of the OS as a whiole. It is indicitive of what can go wrong when OEM's go overboard. - Agreed though, the S4 is a POS and deserves ridicule.

"HTC One right now. There's 4.3 on an HTC One"

OK, getting better but the One still has bloat. It needs rooted and debloated.

Android from OEM's really does need a few mins of work to root and debloat it to shine. That is an OEM issue though. YOu have shown me that I was right and that you really dont know how to use Android and how to get it running right. OEMbloat Androids are not a good choice for people that arent willing to put in a bit of work to fix them. Androids weekness? That is for sure it, but again, its open, menaing open for OEMs to hack it up.

You may have seen this... Its a lowly 1.2ghz dual core Moto E smoking a GS5 with quad core 2.5ghz . It kind of makes both of our points, but my point is on top of yours that you have to know what you are doing with it and/or know how/what to purchase.

So again, I say IOS has these issues too - I have a brand new iPad 4 right here in front of me that lags more than Any android I have and have seen (once OEM bloatware removed). Other people report the same thing... So, apparently they do have the same issue. Whats this? Even on Apple fan forums?

http://forums.imore.com/iphone-5/262244-ios-7-lag-...

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5319637?start...

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23768816#237...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4unWPhqfp4

I dont have a problem with you stating facts, but you are CLEARLY here misrepresenting facts as truth.


By retrospooty on 6/30/2014 6:55:59 PM , Rating: 2
By retrospooty on 7/1/2014 8:25:27 AM , Rating: 2
OK, you dont like it... No-one can argue with that, still IOS lags and those links prove it as you keep ignoring it every time I post it.

Like I said, no-one is asking you to change, no one cares, but you are posting incorrect info and acting like IOS has none, when in fact it has the exact same lag issue you keep harping on reported on brand new devices like iPad air by Apple users on Apple forums (meaning it's not some biased blogger). Face up man.


By KoolAidMan1 on 7/1/2014 9:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
Since when did I say iOS has no flaws? I'm pointing out where Android fails with its performance, apps, updates, ecosystem, and developer tools, and that based on WWDC and Google I/O, it isn't catching up anytime soon. That's different. In exchange you get flexibility, which IMHO is a superficial "Pokemon" trade in functionality considering how much you're giving up for it. I have positives and negatives to say about all ecosystems. Android just has lots of problems compared to WP and iOS, that's all.

The thing with you is that somehow anything remotely positive said about iOS translates to "iOS IS PERFECT OMG OMG".

Get a grip man.


By retrospooty on 7/1/2014 9:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
"Since when did I say iOS has no flaws?"

Since every post you ever made. You act like it is so far above everything else and its just not. It's good at what it does and it doesnt do alot of things it should. Even with the stripped down OS that supprts very little it STILL has issues and lags period. Enough said.

"IMHO is a superficial "Pokemon""

Seriously? like putting "IMHO" makes it a less stupid statement? Like I keep saying it isnt about you and what you want. Its not about the individual things that you may not need, its about flexibility to support thing that others DO need. Its a HUGE list of 3 dozen things (and there are more) and you cant just sum it up as "Pokemon themes" That also shows your obvious bias. How can you be so blind to not see that.


By retrospooty on 7/1/2014 9:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
"Since when did I say iOS has no flaws?"

Since every post you ever made. You act like it is so far above everything else and its just not. It's good at what it does and it doesnt do alot of things it should. Even with the stripped down OS that supprts very little it STILL has issues and lags period. Enough said.

"IMHO is a superficial "Pokemon""

Seriously? like putting "IMHO" makes it a less stupid statement? Like I keep saying it isnt about you and what you want. Its not about the individual things that you may not need, its about flexibility to support thing that others DO need. Its a HUGE list of 3 dozen things (and there are more) and you cant just sum it up as "Pokemon themes" That also shows your obvious bias. How can you be so blind to not see that?

You call me a fanboy, but I tell you honestly I have zero loyalty for Google or Android or any company. I use Android and I defend it because right now I honestly believe it is by far the best thing available. Not necessarily for everyone, but certainly for me. I will gladly drop Google and Android in a hot second as soon as something better comes along. And I will be happy to do that because that means I have something better than I have today. I also defend it when I see you saying incorrect things about it and misrepresenting the other side. If you don't see that you do that, I really think you need to go reread everything you posted over the past year.


By KoolAidMan1 on 7/1/2014 11:42:01 PM , Rating: 2
And way to STFU when I called you out on this.

You
quote:
OK, so I assume its older than 2 years, Android really was sheeut back then.


Me
quote:
You were making the same defenses in 2011 and 2012. In 2016 are you going to be talking about how bad Android was in 2014, but NOW it's actually good?


I'll say it again: In 2016, when Android's smoothness and performance might be up to where iOS was in 2012, you'll be talking about how 4.x in 2014 was garbage and that NOW its actually really good.

You're too funny.


By retrospooty on 7/2/2014 2:02:00 AM , Rating: 2
"Everything I'm saying here is perfectly reasonable"

It is, now a dozen posts into the thread... I disagree partially about the apps, you way overstate it, but whatever. Apps are better on IOS, not night and day, just somewhat better. Anyhow that isn't what you usually say anything. Are you remotely aware of how condescending and obnoxious you are? You reduce a huge list of missing items to "Pokemon theme" and act like anyone that wants those items is petty. Then proceed to insult people that think differently as if everyone should put priority on the same things as you. Well, sorry, we don't. In fact, looking at what people buy, most people don't.

"Everything I'm saying here is perfectly reasonable, yet anything remotely negative about Android or positive about iOS and you go apes***. "

You know, that is really funny, because I see it as exactly the opposite. Anything remotely negative about IOS or positive about Android and you go apes*** . Not seeing it?

Relax man and get some objectivity is right. Not even just Android, you really seem to have a woody for Google. Any Google article here, you are all over it just moaning away like you are on a mission. Whats up that that?

"And way to STFU when I called you out on this."

What are you going on about now? I have always said Gingerbread was slow and crappy. You said you had an Android phone for 2 years and I assume it had already been a while since dumping it so it must have been Gingerbread at the very latest, if not older.

"You were making the same defenses in 2011 and 2012. In 2016 are you going to be talking about how bad Android was in 2014, but NOW it's actually good "

Are you confusing me with someone else? Maybe reclaimer again? I never even owned an Android until I got a Droid3 very late 2011 and I don't recall liking it much at all. I got it for the keyboard, not wanting to go onscreen at the time... I didn't even like my Android until later updating to an S3 in later in 2012. I also don't remember debating with you about anything in those days. Seriously, are you TakinYourPoints? I do remember the same exact debates, same style same points same soapbox rants with him starting in maybe 2012.

Anyhow, I have also always said that Android was much improved since 4.1... But you act like it's not on the same time scale. Defending 4.1 (released 2 years ago this month) at the time isn't against IOS today. It's IOS 2 years ago which was running IOS5 on the iPhone 4s. Like that was some masterpiece? At the time, on the devises of the day it was pretty much the same... Both platforms have improved incrementally since then. You put a whole lotta words and thoughts into my mouth today that aren't real.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/29/2014 12:44:51 AM , Rating: 2
Google is the only company that makes good Android apps, and those are as good or better on iOS.

Every other app is garbage on Android compared to iOS, or it doesn't even exist. Something as simple as Instapaper is 1000x better on iOS. Steam hasn't been updated in two years while it gets updated on iOS regularly. Twitch is three versions behind on Android and doesn't have a tablet version. Games or productivity, there is no comparison.

Android is missing so much it isn't even funny. Thing is that these fanboys will still deny it and keep defending "their precious" even when iOS gets on bigger screens. They don't use logic when they buy phones, they're religious zealots.


By tayb on 6/27/2014 1:08:45 PM , Rating: 2
If you're buying an iPhone 5C it is already obvious that you do not care about being on the bleeding edge. The point is that it is still a ripoff at $29 because it comes with a 2 year contract.

If you don't care about the bleeding edge get a cheaper phone. Don't pay bleeding edge prices for a 2 year old phone.


By Cheesew1z69 on 6/27/2014 12:01:54 PM , Rating: 2
What phone is 2 years old? 5S/5C are less then a year old. What are you talking about?


By aliasfox on 6/27/2014 12:43:42 PM , Rating: 2
Two years if you consider that the 5c is little more than a 5 in a new case + updated front facing camera.


Disagree
By Shadowself on 6/27/2014 10:28:27 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple is likely trying to clear out its inventory of iPhones (the current generation has been out for nearly a year) in preparation for the iPhone 6, which is slated to debut in a few months time. That means that we’ll likely be seeing similar promotions from other retailers as we get closer to the launch of Apple’s next generation flagship smartphone.
Apple is not setting these prices. Walmart is. There is absolutely no indication that Apple is lowering its suggested retail price (MSRP) for the iPhones.

Apple has a very strict policy on pricing that goes back to the days of Apple trying to kill the gray market for Macs back in the mid to late 90s. If a vendor wants to sell Apple's products at a price significantly below Apple's MSRP, that vendor is allowed to do so without restrictions. However... if that price is significantly below Apple's MSRP then that vendor gets absolutely zero marketing support from Apple. This is why when a new iDevice or Mac comes out, many of the core Apple suppliers will announce prices that are less than a dollar off the Apple MSRP. They're still close enough to get Apple's blessing and marketing support, but to they still get to legally claim they're selling the product at a discount.

Apple (and virtually every other major consumer electronics company from Dell to Westinghouse) subsidizes the marketing efforts of its vendors. For some stores/vendors this subsidy can be huge. If the vendor decides that they want to severely undercut Apple's MSRP then they go it alone without Apple's support.

Clearly, Walmart believes (fact or fiction does not matter, it's what Walmart believes) that lowering the price of the iPhone to well under the MSRP is worth risking losing Apple's marketing support dollars.

And, I agree with what others have said here. If you truly must have a shiny new iPhone, don't get a cut rate price on the current models. If at all possible, wait three months and get an iPhone 6.




RE: Disagree
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/27/2014 9:37:04 AM , Rating: 2
Where did I say that Apple was setting these prices? I specifically state:

quote:
Walmart Slashes Price...

quote:
Although not an official Apple offer, Walmart has permanently reduced the price...


As for marketing support, how much marketing support does Walmart need for a year-old device when we're close to a model switchover?

As for Apple's side of things, it's only in their best interest to clear its iPhone 5C/5S in preparation for getting everyone onboard with 64-bit processors as soon as possible.

I'd take it a step further and state that the recent price cuts on the iPod touch are a move to run through inventories of the current A5-based chips (which are old as dirt now) and switch them also over to 64-bit for the next generation (likely with an A7 onboard).


RE: Disagree
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 10:48:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple is likely trying to clear out its inventory of iPhones (the current generation has been out for nearly a year) in preparation for the iPhone 6, which is slated to debut in a few months time. That means that we’ll likely be seeing similar promotions from other retailers as we get closer to the launch of Apple’s next generation flagship smartphone.


He probably only read the first half of that.

Get the 5S down to ~350, and, perhaps maybe i would buy it off contract if i was feeling like wasting money on the current day... Needa upgrade my iOS phone (currently ip4) to match my more current Moto G/1020/Z10 (ordered, not arrived) and, i would prefer a custom ARM core than some A9 junk :)


RE: Disagree
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 10:49:32 AM , Rating: 2
5C*
A 5S for $350 I would buy in a heartbeat off contract... that is about what the 16GB one is worth, well, more like $300, but, I'll pay the extra $50 for the resale value at that point.


RE: Disagree
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/27/2014 12:05:48 PM , Rating: 2
The 5C is currently going for $450 off contract for a 32GB model on the eBay daily deal

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221419495360


RE: Disagree
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 1:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
if it gets to $350, maybe, $300, sure, but, *shrug* i'll probably just wait until a while...

See what the new iPhone announcements bring... Hopefully lower priced 5C

note: storage space does not matter to me over having 10GB+ free for music and some free for messing with games occassionally


Blah
By BRB29 on 6/27/2014 9:04:21 AM , Rating: 2
I don't buy into these price slashes on 2 year contracts anymore. Just slash the price on the actual price of the phone and I don't want a contract.

The TCO of buying a phone and go contract-free with TMobile is much greater than these subsidized deal will ever give me.

Contracts are a way of limiting competition and holding people by the balls with a massive early termination fee. Locked phones are also another way to limiting competition. In fact, locked phone should be illegal. I bought a phone full price, it should be fully functional.

Screw you walmart and every other business forcing 2 year plans and locked phones down people's throats.




RE: Blah
By Spuke on 6/27/2014 12:00:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Screw you walmart and every other business forcing 2 year plans and locked phones down people's throats.
Except that most people don't mind the contracts and are well aware of what they're getting into. If you go into something with your eyes open you're not getting screwed. Look you don't like contracts, that's fine but it works for others.


RE: Blah
By BRB29 on 6/27/2014 1:52:05 PM , Rating: 1
No, they're not aware of what they're getting into because there's wasn't any no-contract service before. People think contracts are normal because it was the norm in the US. The US is probably the only country ripping people off with these contracts.


RE: Blah
By Spuke on 6/27/2014 6:19:23 PM , Rating: 2
Nope! No true at all. Anecdotal, but I don't know a single person that is unaware that they can just outright buy the phone. And it's not necessarily because they're going to buy a new one in two years either. I know people still using their SGS3's, are perfectly happy with them, are not getting another phone AND they got it on contract. There's more than one way to skin a cat brah.


RE: Blah
By fleshconsumed on 6/27/2014 7:56:53 PM , Rating: 2
It kind of is true. Up until T-Mobile started pushing their no contract plans you would have to pay the same contract price even if you bought your phone outright. It made no financial sense to buy your own phone in a model like that. So while there was a choice, it was heavily skewed towards the contract model.

It's better now that T-Mobile has their no contract plans available that are actually cheaper than contract ones. However, the other 3 are not really budging. There is also more awareness about various MVNOs such as PagePlus, Ting, Virgin Mobile, H2O, etc, but a lot of them restrict 4G/LTE data unless you buy into a high end monthly plan and most of them still do not allow roaming.

So yes, the contract was the norm for a very long time, and yes it is somewhat better now, but we're still being screwed compared to EU.


Nexus 5
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 6/30/2014 10:40:10 AM , Rating: 2
Why anyone would buy an iPhone vs. a Nexus 5, I don't understand. For what you get, iPhones are just egregiously, unforgivably overpriced, like by at least 2x.

If you _need_ iOS apps, get an iPad.




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