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Wal-Mart end cap with HD DVD players ready for sale  (Source: "Jim" of eProductWars)
HD DVD cracks through Wal-Mart doors at below $200

If there is one thing that Wal-Mart is keenly aware of, it’s the notion of price sensitivity. No matter how good a product may be, the common consumer will not consider purchasing it unless it is at a price that is comparable to similar, even if inferior, products.

Such is the case with high-definition movies. Even if the common consumer knows that HD movies are noticeably superior to DVD, he or she will not likely invest in the technology until it is deemed affordable.

Although the price of the cheapest HD DVD player is still many times more than that of a budget DVD player, Wal-Mart has determined that a sub-$200 price is right for its customers.

As spotted by a user of the eProductWars website, Wal-Mart had on display the Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player priced at $198. According the user post, Wal-Mart will formally begin selling the Toshiba HD DVD player on November 3.

Earlier this year, reports came of Wal-Mart’s plan to carry inexpensive HD movie players in time for the holidays. At the time of the report, it was speculated that Wal-Mart would sell the HD movie machine at just below $300, making the finding of a $198 brand-name HD DVD player a pleasant surprise.

A reason for the low price of the Toshiba HD DVD player is that the HD-A2 is an already outdated model. Toshiba announced in August its third generation HD DVD players, with the HD-A3 replacing the HD-A2. Nevertheless, at a year older, the HD-A2 gives up fairly little in features compared to the new model, making the jump to high-definition movies more affordable than ever.



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There It Is
By TomZ on 10/26/2007 9:26:42 PM , Rating: 4
How to win the "format war"...cheap players at the start of the holiday shopping season! Score a big one for HD-DVD with this development.




RE: There It Is
By ziggo on 10/26/2007 9:31:15 PM , Rating: 5
No kidding. They just dropped fat man on sony.


RE: There It Is
By therealnickdanger on 10/27/2007 2:32:29 AM , Rating: 3
Better yet, rumors from supposed "reliable sources" on AVSF indicate that these will be sold for $99 beginning on Black Friday.


RE: There It Is
By 16nm on 10/27/2007 10:32:29 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
these will be sold for $99


You joke, but just wait. When we see $99 HD players people will flock to them like ducks to june bugs. I suspect we will see $99 HD-DVD players long before we see $99 Bluray players.

Price IS everything. $199 is still a tad too high to get all your family members one for Christmas, but $99 is a whole other story. This $198 price is one step closer to the sub $100 player.


RE: There It Is
By therealnickdanger on 10/27/2007 11:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
Who's joking?


RE: There It Is
By 16nm on 10/28/2007 4:26:38 PM , Rating: 3
Really? Wow. I may need to pick up a couple at that price. Screw the XBOX attachment.


RE: There It Is
By hobbes7869 on 10/27/2007 9:03:37 AM , Rating: 2
Just fell outta my chair laughing, nice reference back


RE: There It Is
By retrospooty on 10/26/2007 11:10:01 PM , Rating: 3
Ya, I heard Walmart was going to sell cheap HD-DVD players and assumed it would be some "off" brand, cheap crap, but this is Toshiba. The real deal. Too bad this one doesnt do 1080p though. I wonder if they will sell the HD-A20, which does do 1080P for about $300?


RE: There It Is
By aos007 on 10/27/2007 12:34:07 AM , Rating: 5
C'mon people, for movies 1080i contains ALL the same information 1080p does (as long as it has double the frame rate). If your TV properly executes inverse telecine you will see NO difference. Not just that YOU won't see it, there WON'T be any. Converting 1080p/24 or 30 to 1080i/60 is a losless process - and no reason to since there is no loss of bandwidth.

Okay, if you have TV that can accept 1080p/24 - which is extremely rare, I only know of some plasmas - then having a 1080p/24 player might be helpful - I am not sure if such TVs are also capable of doing reverse 3:2 pulldown needed to recover the original sequence. If you have such a display, you are not very likely to be buying a HD player at Wall-Mart though (apologies to Pioneer plasma owners who got theirs in lottery).


RE: There It Is
By Lakku on 10/27/2007 4:50:27 AM , Rating: 5
It's not extremely rare, though it is rare, for TVs to accept 1080p/24. There are many LCDs from Samsung and Sony now-a-days that do in fact accept 1080p/24. On top of that, the Sony I own also has 120 Hz (as many new Samsung and Sony models do) for the refresh rate, meaning having a 1080p/24 player is appealing. Does it matter for most people? Probably not. But there is a reason players support the feature.

As for the difference in 1080i and 1080p, you are technically correct, but you make a major assumption the TV can do correct de-interlacing and inverse telecine, of which MANY, upon MANY, do not. In fact finding a TV that can do proper 1080i de-interlacing and inverse telecine, without spending an arm and a leg, is about as rare as TVs with true 1080p/24 inputs and processing. Having a 1080p display and 1080p player eliminates the deinterlacing problem and is just easier on the consumer to get both of them together, rather then figuring out which TVs do deinterlacing/pulldown/telecine the best.


RE: There It Is
By retrospooty on 10/27/2007 10:17:36 AM , Rating: 2
exactly, and thank you. I hate getting the lecture when stating something as innoculous as I want my HD-DVD to output at 1080P. sheesh.


RE: There It Is
By wallijonn on 10/29/2007 12:38:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Too bad this one doesn't do 1080p though. I wonder if they will sell the HD-A20, which does do 1080P for about $300?


From a few reviews of the A20 and A30, that I have read, it seems that 1080i is superior to 1080p visually, that there are a few problems with the 1080p process (just as there is supposedly with the PS3 conversion process.) That is all conjecture, though.

I just picked up one of these for $230 and I thought I was getting a bargain. I should have waited. I just wish that the free movie selection was better.


RE: There It Is
By DesertCat on 10/26/2007 11:32:08 PM , Rating: 3
It's really kind of a stroke of genius. They need to get rid of their old stock of A2s to make room for the A3s. So they make a big volume deal with Walmart that moves the A2s and creates a feeding frenzy for HD DVD.

Some might care that, for analog output, it only offers stereo. For those that can make use of HDMI or optical output, though, the options include Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD.


RE: There It Is
By Gul Westfale on 10/27/2007 12:53:48 AM , Rating: 2
*waits for $198 dual format player*


RE: There It Is
By Exodus220 on 10/27/2007 1:27:01 AM , Rating: 3
I think that WalMart put in some good thinking into this deal. Since these are are outputting an HD source I am guessing the people will also want a nice HDTV to watch these on...and heck, they might as well throw in a home theater system with the purchase too. It is a good possibility that people that buy these will also buy a new TV, so WalMart is thinking smart with these outdated machines.


RE: There It Is
By Anh Huynh on 10/27/2007 2:23:04 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget they still have the 5 free movie deal going on.


RE: There It Is
By mezman on 10/29/2007 4:32:28 PM , Rating: 3
5 free crappy movie deal you mean.


I will still wait for Blu Ray..
By Soldier38 on 10/26/07, Rating: 0
RE: I will still wait for Blu Ray..
By kinnoch on 10/26/2007 9:27:09 PM , Rating: 1
Who cares? Its just a format.


RE: I will still wait for Blu Ray..
By howtochooseausername on 10/26/2007 9:33:30 PM , Rating: 2
I think its already too late.


RE: I will still wait for Blu Ray..
By Exodus220 on 10/27/2007 1:35:22 AM , Rating: 1
BluRay will never be gone because it is a standard feature of the PS3. Just because HDDVD has a cheap player doesn't mean that the BluRay format is finished. It will be around for at least as long as the PS3 stays alive.

However, right now it seems like neither format is going to win and so everyone will just have to wait for another decade to pass until a newer format is released that replaces both HDDVD and BluRay.


RE: I will still wait for Blu Ray..
By kinnoch on 10/27/2007 2:03:39 AM , Rating: 3
Thats not true. Here are some fake numbers that should potentially lead to the demise of blue ray (or hddvd if you switch the numbers around).
If HDDVD's have a user base of 250 million and Blueray has a user base of 10 million (from ps3 owners), companies will be flocking to produce HDDVD's and eventually leave it to the ps3 owners to buy an HDDVD player.