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Vietnam gaining in importance in the tech world

Japan and Taipei already have advanced technology markets that are booming, but other Asian nations are quickly trying to join the global tech powerhouses.  One nation, in particular, is Vietnam.  

Just eight years ago, Vietnam had 500,000 internet users, but 2008 numbers indicate the country has more than 20 million users.  IDG Ventures believes there will be 36 million wired users by 2010, with the number only expected to grow as more villages get internet access.

"We are trying to create a little Silicon Valley here," said Don Phan, who left Silicon Valley to create his own tech company in Vietnam.  "I tell my guys they can wear flip-flops and work remotely -- the things we do in Silicon Valley."

Companies such as Yelp, Craigslist, Facebook and LinkedIn are working in Vietnam, and more companies are expected to open up offices in Vietnam later.  Yahoo and eBay both have a big presence in the nation, but have yet to open up their own offices in the country -- but expect to hear about startup acquisitions or possible Vietnamese headquarters being constructed.

Yahoo remains the most popular site in the country, even though it's a foreign-based intently. American, Japanese and Taiwanese companies are expected to continue dumping venture capitalist funds into the growing Vietnam industry.

Canon, Sanyo, Sony, Fujitsu, Toshiba, Matsushita and other Japanese companies are investing billions into new R&D and manufacturing plants in Vietnam.  A Canon laser printer factory will soon output almost 80 percent of the company's laser printer units, industry insiders report.

An area of concern is online advertising in the country, which is rather flat at the moment.  Once a proper advertising infrastructure is put into place, then more online entrepreneurs are going to be willing to roll the dice and enter the country.

Another area concern is government involvement in the budding industry, as government officials are still unsure and inexperienced at handling the new generation of technology.  The Vietnamese government has no problem assisting companies like Intel, but startup companies must wade through an unorganized bureaucracy that remains unforgiving towards them.

But the government continues to support an open door policy for foreign companies, and sometimes offers incentives for companies to begin working in Vietnam.  Vietnam's low labor costs and low finished product cost are two other reasons companies are willing to create new facilities in a country that still isn't technologically advanced.



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Stop the flattery already!
By DanD85 on 6/16/2008 7:51:43 AM , Rating: 5
I've been reading anandtech for several years, but because this is about VN and I'm a Vietnamese, born and grew up in VN. I now sign up and want to say something about this article.

For your information, you "capitalist dog" (that's what the gorvernment try to stuff in our head for our entire life). VN is far from an ideal place for long term investment. I can tell you several reason for that:

1. You cannot really buy real estate here. No matter how much money you pay, the government will only give you a paper state that you have the "right" to use the land but not own it. So basically land ownership here is non-existence.

2. Supporting industry is utmost terrible. Let me give you an example. Canon did open a printer factory here but they have to impost nuts and bolts from somewhere else because the local products did not meet their quality requirement.

3. Infrastructure is bad both in quality and quantity. "invisible" cost is quite high.

4. The education system is of terrible quality. The only thing they want student and children remember in their heads is how great, how magnificent and how wonderful the communist ideology is, they don't really care about real life skills or working skills so prepare to pay a high cost to re-educate worker before they can do some real work.

There's so much to talk about but I will stop here. Anyone want to know a real picture about VN can post question here and I'll try my best to answer them.




RE: Stop the flattery already!
By DanD85 on 6/16/2008 7:53:24 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, "import" not "impost"


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By KernD on 6/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: Stop the flattery already!
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 2:19:56 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, next you're going to tell me my shit don't stink.

Substance over form buddy. Dailytech = Anandtech (not 100%, but pretty close).


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By KernD on 6/16/2008 6:52:22 PM , Rating: 1
Why don't you do your research, or at least look at the address bar once in a while.

http://www.dailytech.com/

It's a completely different web site. You may read DT news only from AnandTech, but not everyone does. The boss of DT used to work for Anand, and they're apparently still friends, but you and your friends aren't the same person right?, you're all entitled to your own opinion, and DT doesn't represent AT's opinion.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Relion on 6/17/2008 1:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it is a different website...but that's not the point of his post...


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By wordsworm on 6/16/2008 8:55:04 AM , Rating: 1
Vietnam just came up on my radar because a fellow teacher told me that it's not a bad place to teach.

Can you tell me when the last time it was that you were in Vietnam? Have you been gone for awhile, are you still there, or did you just get 'here'? Finally, roughly how old are you?

I think the better phrase is 'capitalist pig,' as a pig wallows in its own mire on a farm - though dogs can get pretty stinky too. France, and then America really did a bad number on Vietnam. I can't really blame them for hating the west.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By NathanL on 6/16/2008 9:23:03 AM , Rating: 3
Good question. i'd guess a long time ago. One can guess with the 'capitalist dog' reference. VN love Americans and the west as I've seen firsthand. I've been there in '03 '04 and '05. Back then it was not the most friendly place for foreign business, but it was coming in droves anyway, and you could see every year it got better. Corruption, bureaucracy, etc, are problems, but are getting better all the time. I think the post was accurate to some degree, but the issues are not the showstoppers that they were even five years ago.
A quick glance at Google says that Canon is boosting, not pulling out of, their operations in Vietnam anyway. Not sure when they were having problems, but apparently its not an issue now...

Side note, are all DailyTech posters such jackasses as replying to the original post? Can't think of anything intelligent to say so just criticize a grammar mistake? More people speak English as a second language than do as a first one. It is a global society so get used to broken English, unless you can write Vietnamese without flaw. co duoc khong? (i think that's right...)


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By wordsworm on 6/16/2008 10:27:38 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
are all DailyTech posters such jackasses as replying to the original post?


Not all of them, but there are enough of them around. Usually they get -1 in short order though. I hope you weren't thinking of my 'capitalist pig' vs 'capitalist dog' comment. I just thought you were being too nice. Dogs are usually a favored animal.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By thetinyclam on 6/16/2008 10:03:09 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong! The "capitalist dog" reference comes from our love of dog meat lol. If you go to the right places in VN (my uncle's shack), you can get the best dog you've ever had--far more tender and juicy than pork.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By masher2 (blog) on 6/16/2008 10:37:00 AM , Rating: 2
> "France, and then America really did a bad number on Vietnam. I can't really blame them for hating the west"

And yet, when I was last in Vietnam, Americans were regarded very highly, far better in fact than Vietnamese regarded their own party officials, in fact.

The "number" done on the Vietnamese was by their own government, which forced millions of people to flee the country, sent many more to forced "reeducation" camps, and decimated the livelihood of nearly everyone else by seizing ownership of nearly every business and industry in the nation.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By porkpie on 6/16/2008 11:03:26 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I think the better phrase is 'capitalist pig,' as a pig wallows in its own mire on a farm - though dogs can get pretty stinky too. France, and then America really did a bad number on Vietnam. I can't really blame them for hating the west.
I'm always amazed by the number of Americans willing to believe the worst about their own country, especially (like in this case) when its not true.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Yongsta on 6/17/2008 1:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
Vietnam, like the rest of Asian is loving all things Korean for some reason

http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_vi...
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/21/news/brides...


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By UppityMatt on 6/16/2008 9:46:41 AM , Rating: 4
We own land in America? Correct me if I'm wrong but yes we can technically buy it...but you get to pay taxes on it for the rest of your life...and just what happens to you if you don't pay taxes? Sorry we may "own" the land...but its not ours. We are glorified renters also.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Machinegear on 6/16/2008 1:27:26 PM , Rating: 3
I wish this point had more awareness. Anyone who pays taxes on their land don't own it. They rent it. This leads to a follow-up question: if you can't own property, can you be free?

Our forefathers believed No.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Baov on 6/16/2008 5:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
If a foreigner comes and buys the land, does it become foreign land?


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Ringold on 6/16/2008 7:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
Ignoring vile eminent domain law abuses, if you buy land in America it is yours until hell freezes over. If you keep paying taxes, anyway. And as far as taxes go, property taxes seem better to me than a lot of other income/wealth redistribution schemes, though I'd prefer flat sales or income taxes.

I don't see the Vietnamese land ownership situation as all that bad. A lot of big companies in America do not own the land they use or even the buildings they use, they merely lease it from someone else. I'm thinking more corporate HQ's here than things like factories, but still. It's not a deal-breaker.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Lifted on 6/16/2008 9:50:51 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget overpriced housing in downtown areas, a huge financial crisis happening right now along with a burst of the general Vietnam bubble.

Thankfully they won't bring down all of Asia with them.


RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Unicorn78 on 6/17/2008 1:29:56 PM , Rating: 2
"Thankfully they won't bring down all of Asia with them" but USA economics did.