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Vietnam gaining in importance in the tech world

Japan and Taipei already have advanced technology markets that are booming, but other Asian nations are quickly trying to join the global tech powerhouses.  One nation, in particular, is Vietnam.  

Just eight years ago, Vietnam had 500,000 internet users, but 2008 numbers indicate the country has more than 20 million users.  IDG Ventures believes there will be 36 million wired users by 2010, with the number only expected to grow as more villages get internet access.

"We are trying to create a little Silicon Valley here," said Don Phan, who left Silicon Valley to create his own tech company in Vietnam.  "I tell my guys they can wear flip-flops and work remotely -- the things we do in Silicon Valley."

Companies such as Yelp, Craigslist, Facebook and LinkedIn are working in Vietnam, and more companies are expected to open up offices in Vietnam later.  Yahoo and eBay both have a big presence in the nation, but have yet to open up their own offices in the country -- but expect to hear about startup acquisitions or possible Vietnamese headquarters being constructed.

Yahoo remains the most popular site in the country, even though it's a foreign-based intently. American, Japanese and Taiwanese companies are expected to continue dumping venture capitalist funds into the growing Vietnam industry.

Canon, Sanyo, Sony, Fujitsu, Toshiba, Matsushita and other Japanese companies are investing billions into new R&D and manufacturing plants in Vietnam.  A Canon laser printer factory will soon output almost 80 percent of the company's laser printer units, industry insiders report.

An area of concern is online advertising in the country, which is rather flat at the moment.  Once a proper advertising infrastructure is put into place, then more online entrepreneurs are going to be willing to roll the dice and enter the country.

Another area concern is government involvement in the budding industry, as government officials are still unsure and inexperienced at handling the new generation of technology.  The Vietnamese government has no problem assisting companies like Intel, but startup companies must wade through an unorganized bureaucracy that remains unforgiving towards them.

But the government continues to support an open door policy for foreign companies, and sometimes offers incentives for companies to begin working in Vietnam.  Vietnam's low labor costs and low finished product cost are two other reasons companies are willing to create new facilities in a country that still isn't technologically advanced.

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Stop the flattery already!
By DanD85 on 6/16/2008 7:51:43 AM , Rating: 5
I've been reading anandtech for several years, but because this is about VN and I'm a Vietnamese, born and grew up in VN. I now sign up and want to say something about this article.

For your information, you "capitalist dog" (that's what the gorvernment try to stuff in our head for our entire life). VN is far from an ideal place for long term investment. I can tell you several reason for that:

1. You cannot really buy real estate here. No matter how much money you pay, the government will only give you a paper state that you have the "right" to use the land but not own it. So basically land ownership here is non-existence.

2. Supporting industry is utmost terrible. Let me give you an example. Canon did open a printer factory here but they have to impost nuts and bolts from somewhere else because the local products did not meet their quality requirement.

3. Infrastructure is bad both in quality and quantity. "invisible" cost is quite high.

4. The education system is of terrible quality. The only thing they want student and children remember in their heads is how great, how magnificent and how wonderful the communist ideology is, they don't really care about real life skills or working skills so prepare to pay a high cost to re-educate worker before they can do some real work.

There's so much to talk about but I will stop here. Anyone want to know a real picture about VN can post question here and I'll try my best to answer them.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By DanD85 on 6/16/2008 7:53:24 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, "import" not "impost"

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By KernD on 6/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: Stop the flattery already!
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 2:19:56 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, next you're going to tell me my shit don't stink.

Substance over form buddy. Dailytech = Anandtech (not 100%, but pretty close).

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By KernD on 6/16/2008 6:52:22 PM , Rating: 1
Why don't you do your research, or at least look at the address bar once in a while.

It's a completely different web site. You may read DT news only from AnandTech, but not everyone does. The boss of DT used to work for Anand, and they're apparently still friends, but you and your friends aren't the same person right?, you're all entitled to your own opinion, and DT doesn't represent AT's opinion.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Relion on 6/17/2008 1:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it is a different website...but that's not the point of his post...

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By wordsworm on 6/16/2008 8:55:04 AM , Rating: 1
Vietnam just came up on my radar because a fellow teacher told me that it's not a bad place to teach.

Can you tell me when the last time it was that you were in Vietnam? Have you been gone for awhile, are you still there, or did you just get 'here'? Finally, roughly how old are you?

I think the better phrase is 'capitalist pig,' as a pig wallows in its own mire on a farm - though dogs can get pretty stinky too. France, and then America really did a bad number on Vietnam. I can't really blame them for hating the west.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By NathanL on 6/16/2008 9:23:03 AM , Rating: 3
Good question. i'd guess a long time ago. One can guess with the 'capitalist dog' reference. VN love Americans and the west as I've seen firsthand. I've been there in '03 '04 and '05. Back then it was not the most friendly place for foreign business, but it was coming in droves anyway, and you could see every year it got better. Corruption, bureaucracy, etc, are problems, but are getting better all the time. I think the post was accurate to some degree, but the issues are not the showstoppers that they were even five years ago.
A quick glance at Google says that Canon is boosting, not pulling out of, their operations in Vietnam anyway. Not sure when they were having problems, but apparently its not an issue now...

Side note, are all DailyTech posters such jackasses as replying to the original post? Can't think of anything intelligent to say so just criticize a grammar mistake? More people speak English as a second language than do as a first one. It is a global society so get used to broken English, unless you can write Vietnamese without flaw. co duoc khong? (i think that's right...)

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By wordsworm on 6/16/2008 10:27:38 AM , Rating: 3
are all DailyTech posters such jackasses as replying to the original post?

Not all of them, but there are enough of them around. Usually they get -1 in short order though. I hope you weren't thinking of my 'capitalist pig' vs 'capitalist dog' comment. I just thought you were being too nice. Dogs are usually a favored animal.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By thetinyclam on 6/16/2008 10:03:09 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong! The "capitalist dog" reference comes from our love of dog meat lol. If you go to the right places in VN (my uncle's shack), you can get the best dog you've ever had--far more tender and juicy than pork.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By masher2 on 6/16/2008 10:37:00 AM , Rating: 2
> "France, and then America really did a bad number on Vietnam. I can't really blame them for hating the west"

And yet, when I was last in Vietnam, Americans were regarded very highly, far better in fact than Vietnamese regarded their own party officials, in fact.

The "number" done on the Vietnamese was by their own government, which forced millions of people to flee the country, sent many more to forced "reeducation" camps, and decimated the livelihood of nearly everyone else by seizing ownership of nearly every business and industry in the nation.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By porkpie on 6/16/2008 11:03:26 AM , Rating: 1
I think the better phrase is 'capitalist pig,' as a pig wallows in its own mire on a farm - though dogs can get pretty stinky too. France, and then America really did a bad number on Vietnam. I can't really blame them for hating the west.
I'm always amazed by the number of Americans willing to believe the worst about their own country, especially (like in this case) when its not true.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Yongsta on 6/17/2008 1:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
Vietnam, like the rest of Asian is loving all things Korean for some reason

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By UppityMatt on 6/16/2008 9:46:41 AM , Rating: 4
We own land in America? Correct me if I'm wrong but yes we can technically buy it...but you get to pay taxes on it for the rest of your life...and just what happens to you if you don't pay taxes? Sorry we may "own" the land...but its not ours. We are glorified renters also.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Machinegear on 6/16/2008 1:27:26 PM , Rating: 3
I wish this point had more awareness. Anyone who pays taxes on their land don't own it. They rent it. This leads to a follow-up question: if you can't own property, can you be free?

Our forefathers believed No.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Baov on 6/16/2008 5:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
If a foreigner comes and buys the land, does it become foreign land?

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Ringold on 6/16/2008 7:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
Ignoring vile eminent domain law abuses, if you buy land in America it is yours until hell freezes over. If you keep paying taxes, anyway. And as far as taxes go, property taxes seem better to me than a lot of other income/wealth redistribution schemes, though I'd prefer flat sales or income taxes.

I don't see the Vietnamese land ownership situation as all that bad. A lot of big companies in America do not own the land they use or even the buildings they use, they merely lease it from someone else. I'm thinking more corporate HQ's here than things like factories, but still. It's not a deal-breaker.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Lifted on 6/16/2008 9:50:51 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget overpriced housing in downtown areas, a huge financial crisis happening right now along with a burst of the general Vietnam bubble.

Thankfully they won't bring down all of Asia with them.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Unicorn78 on 6/17/2008 1:29:56 PM , Rating: 2
"Thankfully they won't bring down all of Asia with them" but USA economics did.

By crystal clear on 6/16/2008 9:51:41 AM , Rating: 2
"All human power is a compound of time and patience."

Yes thats the attitude you need to have - give them time & be patient.

Everything falls into place once the opportunities are created & then the demand & supply forces wil do their work.

"All things are changed, and we change with them."

So its not all doom & gloom..........

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Unicorn78 on 6/16/2008 11:17:48 AM , Rating: 2
I don’t think this guy, DanD85, is a Vietnamese. His knowledge is not enough to be a Vietnamese. I feel sorry for him.
1. He said „the government will only give you a paper state that you have the "right" to use the land but not own it. So basically land ownership here is non-existence“. What does he want more? He wants to buy lands and when he sells his lands for other countries, these lands become a state of other countries such as America, China or Russia....?????
He should know that, when he buys lands in a country, he can do what he wants in his lands. But he has to conform the law of that country.
2. He said „Canon did open a printer factory here but they have to impost nuts and bolts from somewhere else“. He must have a time machine and comes from 18th century. Does he know a Boeing airplane needs components from how many countries?
3. Does he know how Vietnam grows up from the complete destruction after the war and US’s ban? Man’s knowledge is limited by time. And leaders’ stupidity cause immeasurable consequence e. g Johnson, Nixon try to prove the capitalism is right by spreading the influence and used war as their tool while citizens all over the world valuate a regime by peace, wealthy happiness.
4. What about education? He wasn’t educated in Vietnam because he doesn’t know the difference between “impost and import”. So, I sure he doesn’t know the position of Vietnam in the International mathematical Olympiad..... I graduated from a university in Vietnam, and I am easily accepted by a famous university in Europe. I am going to finish my next degree when some native students can’t complete this degree.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Darkarm on 6/16/2008 12:37:45 PM , Rating: 2
He wants assurances that the government will not all of a sudden takeover his very profitable business that he's been wokring on for the past x number of years. He wants to be able to sleep at night knowing that if he does develop a particular business that happens to do very well, the government won't swoop in and says that his "lease" is up and he has 30 days to vacate.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By DASQ on 6/16/2008 1:53:14 PM , Rating: 1
Since when did poor/strong English mean a guarantee that you are foreign? If anything, you can't criticize his English when you have arguably worse of a hold on the language.

Although by that account, you sure are Vietnam! (that's sarcasm, for the blunt ones)

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 2:23:55 PM , Rating: 2
4. What about education? He wasn’t educated in Vietnam because he doesn’t know the difference between “impost and import”. So, I sure

Yeah? And you don't know the difference between "I" and "I am" or "I'm"

You were definitely not educated in Vietnam either, right?

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Unicorn78 on 6/16/2008 5:29:14 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for correction. Even I was not a Vienamese, I didn't think like him.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By thetinyclam on 6/16/2008 10:24:06 PM , Rating: 1
Try buying land in VN, start a business, and watch the local communist officers take away your earnings, your products, and eventually your house. This is exactly what happened to my brother-in-law's cousin's pottery business. You don't even own the shit that comes out of your ass in a communist country.

And why rag on his "impost", he even corrected himself. If such minor typing mistakes are any indication of an educated person, then you wouldn't pass a first grade grammar test.

You claim you graduated from a university in VN, which probably means your family is communist you little du ma. No hard working family in VN can send their kids to college without a shit load of money or communist ties. Good luck whipping out your VN communist elitism with that degree--it'll earn you quite a few USD.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By Unicorn78 on 6/17/2008 1:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
1. He only lost his land, if the land was in his relative's name. Now, he can own land with his name, don’t forget going with a lawyer when sign your contract. I know many stories like this one. A old mother who lives in America, she didn’t have a piece of evidence to prove that she gave her son money to buy land for her. What can court do?

2. I speak English as a second language, and I am not used to vulgar words

3. I got a foreign government scholarship.

4. Capitalism and socialism were change. All are directed toward a better life for people. Everything is change much in Vietnam. You are living in a foreign country but still remember “communist” lol, while people, who are living in Vietnam, are working hard to push their country ahead. I don’t try my best to become a party member. But, if I am voted why I have to refuse, when I can do good things for people who believe me and for the party.

5. You are maybe a member of old Saigon system or their son, daughter…. So, you should know that when the war between Vietnam and France was happening (there were no Saigon government). Ho Chi Minh asked for cooperation and support from America (as the first choice). Two countries had some relations, America tacticians were in north of Vietnam. But, that time America and France went to a secret agreement. France sold Vietnam for USA, and that time US Government maybe thought that they could win the war and make profit in Vietnam. They turned 180o, and sent soldiers to Vietnam, built a new regime in south of Vietnam. North of Vietnam didn’t against South of Vietnam, they against America for independence. The thing was much better if America were right behaviour .

Poor Vietnam, they didn’t recognize that they became a place where capitalism (USA) and socialism (USSR) proved their power.

RE: Stop the flattery already!
By wiiz3rd on 6/16/2008 9:36:25 PM , Rating: 1
Why, you can't stand seeing the communists succeed?

The Vietnam war was won 30+ years yet there is still a lot of bitterness among those who fought for the South and lost. To them, I would say get over it. The communists won, and you lost.

By Bucky Beaver on 6/16/2008 9:18:23 AM , Rating: 3
My wife's family lives in Saigon, and once a month the gov't blacks out their neightborhood for an entire day, since the electric grid cannot handle the demand now. My wife explains that the gov't doesn't really want to spend the $$ to upgrade the infrastructure.

We stayed at her sister's house last November, in an "upscale" part of Saigon near TSN airport, and soon found that we could't take our evening stroll near the drainage ditch because all the raw sewage empties into it.

Until VN upgrades their infrastructure they will stay a 3rd world nation...

RE: Infrastructure
By masher2 on 6/16/2008 10:42:20 AM , Rating: 1
"Saigon" was renamed Ho Chi Minh City three decades ago. And while I don't doubt your account, I have to say I spent over a month in downtown HCM City a few years back, and there were no blackouts, raw sewage, problems with water, or anything like. It was, in fact, a quite modern well-run city, despite being a bit run-down in places.

RE: Infrastructure
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 2:27:30 PM , Rating: 3

Anyway, nobody calls it Saigon or HCM. It's called "City" translated literally. But people if they call it by name do say Saigon still. I have family there. That's what they call it.

I was last there in 2005, and have been back 4 times, and the country has definitely changed since the first time I went there in 1995. Infrastructure is better, people are wealthier, but it is still not ideal and they have a long ways to go. It is better, no doubt, but there is still room for improvement, a lot of room.

RE: Infrastructure
By Timeless on 6/16/2008 3:52:15 PM , Rating: 2
It would really depend where you lived pre-Vietnam War. If you lived in the North, most likely you would change to Ho Chi Minh City. If you lived in the South, you're more likely to stick to Saigon. There's still bad blood between the North and South Vietnamese even though there is no such thing as a South Vietnam anymore. I was back there last year and I'm going back there in August. I hope it's infrastructure is better this time around. Last time I went, it seems like only the "rich" (if you could really call it that) neighborhoods had running water.

RE: Infrastructure
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 5:52:55 PM , Rating: 2
I dont' recall too much bad blood, but wasn't too exposed to it either. Both my parents fam were from the north, but both fam's moved down in the great migratino of 54. I guess that gives us a tiny bit of perspective from both sides.

When did you last go? As I said, it's better but not terribly so. It's a mix really, good in some place, bad in others. So freaking hot in August! Go get yourself some bia om! Lol (for those that don't know look it up!)

RE: Infrastructure
By Timeless on 6/17/2008 2:03:35 AM , Rating: 2
You're parents were lucky. Mine left in 1993 when I was 4 and a half. My parents were also from the north but they ran to the south cause hated the commies.

It was also around August of last year that I went to Vietnam for the fifth time in my life. The only thing more annoying than the heat in August are the flies. No fly nets = screwed.

RE: Infrastructure
By deeznuts on 6/17/2008 2:48:03 AM , Rating: 2
Ever get bit even when you have the net up and made sure it was fooking clear? I hate that haha.

Don't need the net in the city, or with the room really cold with AC on. But some of the bugs I seen in the countryside almost made me faint ...

RE: Infrastructure
By Baov on 6/16/2008 6:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
From what i hear, the north has better infrastructures since the americans razed everything, it has been rebuilt new.

RE: Infrastructure
By Unicorn78 on 6/17/2008 1:17:52 PM , Rating: 2
All poeple in the south of Vietnam move from the north of Vietnam in many centries. Don't forget that. your ancestor originate from the north of Vietnam.

RE: Infrastructure
By Pirks on 6/16/2008 4:42:58 PM , Rating: 1
Calling Asher a "commie"???!!! Jeeeezz...

And I thought Apple bashers are the most stupid among the readers here. Boy was I wrong.

You, Sir Deeznuts, just dethroned everyone, absolutely everyone in this regard.

RE: Infrastructure
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 5:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
Somebody obviously missed a joke. Need some help with understanding buddy? If you do, just ask for help, we always like helping the more intellectually challenged around here.

RE: Infrastructure
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 5:49:40 PM , Rating: 2
Read Timeless' post above yours for some help in that regard ;)

RE: Infrastructure
By Adonlude on 6/16/2008 4:50:47 PM , Rating: 2
2 signs a country still has a long way to go:

1) Many of your populated areas are referred to as "villages".

2)The name used to refer to the biggest city is a literal translation of the word "city".

RE: Infrastructure
By deeznuts on 6/16/2008 5:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
Like new york? ;)

RE: Infrastructure
By Baov on 6/16/2008 5:56:30 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, Saigon is the name of the largest district of HCM city. There was a merger with some of the neighbouring municipalities and HCM city is now not exactly the same thing as Saigon.

RE: Infrastructure
By Gentleman on 6/16/2008 8:30:13 PM , Rating: 2
I can confirm that HCM does have rolling blackouts. I was there last month. Apparently, there isn't enough power for industry and residentials and since the government values production more, they cut power to residential neighbourhoods. A plus side is that every household I have seen are using lower power floresent bulbs. There is a great need to improve the infrastructures in VN. For example, dumping sewage into a river that they advertise to tourists as being beautiful for river cruises.

RE: Infrastructure
By thetinyclam on 6/16/2008 10:06:00 PM , Rating: 3
I live in San Jose, CA, in which exists one of the largest Viet population outside of VN, and let me tell you. If my old man or any of his friends who fought in the war hear you say Ho Chi Minh city, they'd blast you with a shotgun. Only the communist and the brainwashed calls it HCM city. If the communist regime ever falls, our people will change it back to Sai Gon.

RE: Infrastructure
By Baov on 6/17/2008 5:45:33 PM , Rating: 1
Wow. The communists send you to reeducation camps if you are in dissagreement with them. They don't blast you with shotguns for calling something by another name. I sure hope you never take power.

RE: Infrastructure
By phazers on 6/17/2008 3:26:35 PM , Rating: 3
Obviously you stayed in District 1 in HCMC, which caters mainly to well-to-do foreigners who can stay at the Rex, etc. Of course the gov't will see to it that you have reliable electricity, fairly clean water, and no stinky sewage nearby. Try getting your arse out amongst the 8+ million locals to see how they live, before regaling us with your opinions. Incidentally the local VN from the south, do refer to HCMC as "Saigon", as the first reply to yours notes.

RE: Infrastructure
By crystal clear on 6/16/2008 10:59:22 AM , Rating: 2
Until VN upgrades their infrastructure they will stay a 3rd world nation...

I travel frequently to India & China,their infrastructore is equally bad/ what you like but certainly not modern.

Your complaints about electricity is also applicable to India & China....power failures & shortages are nothing new.

The same applies to sewage also...ever stood or strolled on Mumbai's seaside to smell the stench coming from sewage dumped into the sea....

Add to this air pollution to make your life more miserable.

Examples are endless , the fact remains "that did not STOP India & China from progressing rapidly" .

They have achieved an impressive growth record with all those infrastructore drawbacks.

Take a trip to China maybe then you will change your views about the topic.

RE: Infrastructure
By Unicorn78 on 6/16/2008 11:28:55 AM , Rating: 2
Vietnam is going to build four nuclear electricity plants. It will not be a problem anymore.

RE: Infrastructure
By DASQ on 6/16/2008 1:55:09 PM , Rating: 1
This is not SimCity. Having power plants != power everywhere.

You still gotta put those power lines all over, or at least have all your buildings touching the power plant.

RE: Infrastructure
By mpv208 on 6/16/2008 3:37:45 PM , Rating: 2
I really enjoyed reading all these posts!

For what is worth, these companies that invest in Vietnam will create jobs for the locals. I know, secondhandly, that it is tough to find a decent job in Vietnam, so any jobs that are brought into Vietnam count!

RE: Infrastructure
By Ringold on 6/16/2008 7:47:24 PM , Rating: 2
Having power plants != power everywhere.

I read in The Economist a few weeks ago that Vietnam will need to double its capacity by 2010 if it wants to keep up with growth.

Thats a lot of new power plants, and a lot of the infrastructure you cite too.

So many misunderstanding I can see!
By DanD85 on 6/17/2008 12:05:01 AM , Rating: 2
Some questions are raised, so I need to clarify things a lil bit:

1. The guy unicorn78 can be: 1.overly optimistic or 2. ate government propaganda too much that he went nut or 3. he's a child from what we call here "red capitalist" in VN.

2. I've been reading anand from around 2003 long before anand change their layout to this current state. Yes, I've been away from VN from 2003 to 2005 but since 2005 I've come back and been living there till now.

3. I knew so much about the dark side of the commie in VN because of my father (he's been a commie for over 30 years). And he's told me so many times that the Vietnamese commie is maybe the best master in the art of bluffing (you foreigner can trust them if you want but me personally don't).

4. I love my country but that doesn't mean I have to love the commie, not by a long shot (no fuc**ng way in hell I could love the commie)

5. The war did separate the whole country deeply. You American can loose the war but you have won the heart and soul war - gradually I might add (lots of people here still want a piece of the "American dream").

6. The irony thing is, while the higher-ups try to feed the whole country with the god damn communist ideology bull crap, they themselves don't believe in it one bit, they try to exploit as much as they can and send their children oversea to rich capitalist country like the US, GB, AUS, Canada .etc. to study and told their children use anyway possible to gain citizenship.

7. The 2nd irony thing is, while the UN can praise VN for poverty fighting results, the commie themselves will not try the best to make peasants life better! Why, you ask, because as history has proved: communist ideology grow best in 3rd world, developing countries and the communist ideology can guarantee for the higher-ups the King life they're living right now. So if they make people life better, people will begin to realize who is the real bad guys and the commie position will be threaten dearly. So what they do is they will maintain a not so bad but not too good either for the people so that the people don't have time to think about who is the real oppressor (hey, we still have a family to feed, no time for politics! they will tell you if you ask them)

8. For those who will come to VN soon, if you hope to see a better infrastructure, it's the contrary, HCM city (or Saigon) currently being excavated severely so traffic jams and air pollution is all-time high (here's a tip: bring lots of respiratory medicine and a gas mask!)

RE: So many misunderstanding I can see!
By DanD85 on 6/17/2008 5:42:02 AM , Rating: 2
I feel the need to give you some more tidbits about VN so that you can have a better picture beside the "colorful" info from the commie's officials.

1. Education system is completely trash. It's highly politicalized since the kindergarten grade. At that grade, children have to learn by heart how merciful, how great and how kind-hearted some communist leaders were. During the elementary to high school, in the history book, we have to study how brilliant, how intelligent and how quick-witted the communist were so that they could defeat the capitalist dog (that is the American and the French). As if they were the "chosen-one" and without them the Vietnamese people will be forever enslaved by the foreigner. When in university, no matter what major you take, communist ideology study, communism political economics, Ho Chi Minh ideology and VN's communist party history are compulsory for every major (from computer science to agriculture). And those subjects make up a sizable portion of your study credits(25% of total credits). Somebody can argue that: Hey, look at the prizes we won in international math and natural sciences contests. But do you know what kind of teaching methods they apply to the young children so they can achieve that?Pretty insane I can tell you and that kind of teaching methods did severe damage to those kid's creativity. Those prizes are only good to polish up the commie face. When those kid finally become adult, they're just merely fading shadow of the math prodigy they once was. What youth math prizes are for when you don't have a lot of good math scientist!(another ironic thing in VN). In essence, the VN education system have only one sacred purpose that is inject the communist ideology bull crap and the stupid sense of nationalism into its citizen brain since their cradle to their grave. (judge whatever you want but I have to admit, that education system did churn out some great "success" like unicorn78).

2. The society is deeply broken, there's a huge gap between the rich and the poor, the cities and the countryside and especially between the "red capitalist" and the rest of the people. The "red capitalist" with their excessive privileges could live a luxurious life beyond the imagination even of the Westerners. Meanwhile, the peasant have to think of how to fill up their tummy almost everyday. Thanks to the huge inflation (around 25% now and is going up), although you did earn more money but your quality of living is actually going down.

3. The economy is deeply flawed too thanks to the discrimination and prejudice the commie has towards private business section. Why I have to invest my money, my time, my sweat seriously when the commie can come and take away all of my work's fruition whenever they feel like it? That's why I tell you, basically you don't own anything in this society. State-owned corporations essentially have unlimited access to bank's capital (also mostly owned by the commie) although they are highly unproductive (due to "lubricating" fees, laziness .etc.) while the private business section and the farmer have a very hard-time approaching that capital although they are the leaders in creating new jobs and real growth.

4. Communism leave such a big negative mark in our society that it really deteriorates our ethics values. The uncommon sense become common and the common sense become uncommon (for example: people are so used to with cops corruption that when a cop refuse the bribe it immediate become a big news on the media!). But the dirtiest trick of the commie is they try the best to associate all the good things with the communist party (for example: when a farmer have a good crop, the media come to them and ask to show them on TV if they willing to say "thanks to the communist party and the government that they could be this successful"). They try to build as much "legends" as they can and tie it in with the communist party so that everybody always feel grateful because they have the commie to guide their life for them!

5. Freedom of speech is very limited. The commie can say that in VN there's more than 600 newspapers and magazines but all of those is rigorously controlled by the commie (they even have a department about culture and information) and private media is strictly a no-go. See!, I have to use Anandtech to talk about all these things because if I say these thing I will be branded as a traitor and me and my family life will be deeply "abused" by the authority. Politics is a very "taboo" topic in VN society.

6. I personally only believe in "true" capitalism and free market as a mean to bring prosperity and wealth to any country including VN as real facts have proved many times that charity acts and pseudo-socialist aids actually make the matter worse. A big chunk of those money falls right in the pocket of corruptive officials.

7. But as I've said, the commie is such a great master in the art of bluffing that almost nobody realize who their true enemy is and they continue to thanks the commie for every little things the commie give them.

RE: So many misunderstanding I can see!
By Unicorn78 on 6/17/2008 2:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
At least, the party didn’t teach people hate old Saigon system. I think that each side has their purpose to protect. I was born in the north but I consider two sides with the same favour. You said too much, I hope you also do much like this for your country. I will admire anyone or any "Vietkieu" who can help the development in Vietnam. I wish that Silicon Valley in Vietnam comes true.
Only for Vietnamese people here "Moi nguoi can hieu rang nuoc minh ngheo tuc la ban than minh hen, cho du co lam tien tieu xai cho rieng minh di nua”.
Forget the communist party and do your business.

By DanD85 on 6/18/2008 2:19:27 AM , Rating: 2
With all due respect, Unicorn78, the more you say, the more you disappoint me and further prove that you and your family are deeply connected with the Vietnamese communist party. The fact you have "foreign government scholarship" is a proof that you belong to the commie elitist because this kind of scholarship mostly granted to top brass's children and besides it's kind of inner info so me and other normal people can hardly achieve it no matter how good we are.

Your way of doing things is so typically commie. First, you insult and try to humiliate the person who say something you don't like. Next, when that person can list the true facts about the "holy" communist society (where you and your family live luxuriously on the blood and bone of the common people) which you cannot denied, you simply refuse to protect your commie's ideas (you fail to prove any of my points is incorrect) and try to distract everybody attention by mentioning some stupid nationalism propaganda. Please! That trick's so worn out, don't your communist master teach you something newer or better?

Talking come before doing, what I've said, others have tried to talk to commie so many times before and yet all their voices seem to fall onto deaf commie ears. You mocked me by saying I talked to much and do so little. Please! Tell it to your commie master because in VN, the commie always talk big and do so little and so many times their actions contrast what they say completely!

As long as the commies are in charge of running VN, they will continue to try slowing everything down as much as they can for their own sakes (they'll try to maintain a "so-so", under average society to secure their reign as long as they can and by sending their children oversea they're creating the next generation of communist elitist to rule over the people of VN when the time come).

"Forget the communist party and do your business". Please! I would love to, in fact, I'm so desire to do this but I simply can't because the commie won't let me! They will come right to your door immediately when you begin to have some small success! They always try to remind you to "lubricate" if you want to survive. Every entrepreneur has to learn this by heart if they want to survive in this commie-run society.

Lastly, your Vietnamese sentence's meaningless, the first part and the second part don't have any relation at all! It make me wonder what kind of education you've enjoyed? The cause that make VN poor is the commie so with your logic the commie make the Vietnamese pathetic? (great! you hit the jackpot man!)

Finally, I wish for your success and when you graduate, return to VN and become another Nguyen Thien Nhan, who initially impressed people with Harvard diploma but let people down greatly with what he's done (he further bring Vietnamese education to new low).

The intention of this news
By vinhky on 6/18/2008 2:25:50 AM , Rating: 2
It's wonderful to see Vietnam and it's people are thriving into the economy world. Vietnam compare to the surrounding Asia countries have gone through many wars and difficulties for centuries. In addition, it also endured many years of US embargo (from 1975 to 1990). Only by 1990 is when Vietnam is fairly open for competitiveness with the world. With more than 85 millions people, we ought to give understanding and consideration when criticizing its government's policies and party. As we have studied economics; stability of social, political and economics is key to a nation's change and competitiveness. Vietnam has all of those. This is why many global companies favour Vietnam.

Please allow me to mention a bit of political history bites:

As a Vietnamese aboard, I myself do not like the communist system, party and its policies, but the previous government also had mountainous bribery in US aids and corruptions. The previous Vietnam government did not take its ownership; the US owns Vietnam and can bomb any amount and any where it wants: The fake incident of Gulf of Tonkin allowed the US to bombed Vietnam soil for three years (more than half million people have lost their souls", then came the incident at My Lai. (Things happened right on Vietnam soil with no Vietnamese government intervention or power.)

Nothing was "Made in Vietnam". South Vietnam lived and depended on US government charity. South Vietnam was nothing but a US military base.

It is very sad to see those who bring Vietnam's future down are those who bear hatred and discrimination. This article intension is to tell foreign companies, businesses and individual about what is happening in Vietnam and why they should use the opportunity and invest. But the intension is dampened by Vietnamese oversea. I believe the article help create jobs for Vietnam and its citizens. Well intentioned.

RE: The intention of this news
By DanD85 on 6/18/2008 7:35:36 AM , Rating: 2
Welcome to the debate vinhky although it seems to me that you are either over-optimistic or a "naive sheep" that the commie love so much!

First, about the war, this also is another favorite trick of the commie and their supporters. They always use the wars and the miserable past of VN as an excuse for their incompetence and failures. Look at Japan, after the WWII, what did their country have? Almost nothing, they've just suffered from 2 nuclear bombs and they did not beg other developed countries for compassion (the only country in the world to this point has to suffered from nuclear weapon), their country almost has no natural resources and they were the loser from the war. But what did they achieve in 30 years (from 1945 to 1975)? They became the Asia miracle which all Western country have to look at with a respectful eyes and does anybody dare to say they're American colony? Sadly, same can not be said about VN; what the commie has done for VN from 1975 to 2005? Very little (almost nothing) I can tell you, although the commie and their supporters always love to brag about their credit of bringing VN out of poverty in recent years but that is too small compare to what they've done before the nineties. At first, after robbing the south of VN as much as they can (I still remember reading an article on the Tuoi Tre daily newspaper talked about the keeper of the gold reserve of the South government said he had handed over the key to the commie in hope of the commie would wisely use that amount of gold - around 30 tons, to rebuild the country. But the article failed to tell the end of that story. Can any Vietnamese commie or their supporter can enlighten me about this problem?), the commie stubbornly refuse to use capitalist way to run the economy and stayed faithfully with the Marxist-Leninist way. And the results were horrible, almost everybody were stripped of all of their properties and become proletariat (millions had to flee for survival although in their heart, they didn't want to). In 1986, facing the coming total destruction, the communist party had to changed a little bit to survive, they didn't do it for their people, they did it for their own sakes. I personally think if that god damn liberation day weren't happened, Southern VN would be in much better shape now (at least matching that of the Korean if not exceeding them). And yet they've even failed to spare a simple apology to their people! After over 30 years under the commie regime, what shape VN is in now? Still a poor, developing, third-word country with poor people and beggars run rampantly around the streets. Yes, that's a "wonderful" result the commie had contributed to the Vietnamese people - Thank you very much, I'm deeply grateful for that!

Second, bash the American any thing you want but I will tell you: Hey, it's war, what do you expect? At least the lives casualty the American caused is much less than that of the commie! But there's one beautiful thing of a democratic country like America is that they have the mechanism, the law to force the government to reveal their confidential documents after a certain number of years no matter if it's good or bad for their face. Can the commie do the same thing? Hell no!, there's no fuc*ing way in hell the commie will allow that as if they allow it, they would loose all the support they've enjoyed until now because their ugly past was so disgusting that it will surely make a lot of people pukes (my father once told me the story of the Hue city battle, he said the commie killed so many people that the city was literally "bath in blood").

Third, as a human, I feel the need to tell you the truth because the commie had twisted the history book to their own favor (for example: with the same historical fact they will "slightly" change it to make them look like the "victim" or the "good guys"). Trust me, the commie has rotten to their core and went far beyond salvation. I'm craving everyday for someone or something that can save my country. The Vietnamese people is not that bad to suffer a disaster that is the commie.

Forth, I've just stated these facts so that the would-be foreign investors will think twice when dealing with the commie. The commie's record of treachery is so "glorious" that even many locals have zero trust in them. They still practice their dishonest principles today so I suggest you should be extremely cautious when dealing with them.

Whoo hooo
By MRwizard on 6/16/2008 6:40:22 AM , Rating: 2
I can see this is going to bring more Hardware piracy

By graynote on 6/16/2008 8:59:25 AM , Rating: 2
Just eight years ago ..

There is nu such thing as "just" eight years ago regarding the userbase of the internet.


I know, I know, the internet is way older than that - but it's like syaing "just 365 million years ago" when talking evolution. It just aint't just! :)

Another relevant DT article: NEC
By KorruptioN on 6/16/2008 1:03:27 PM , Rating: 2

The company also states that its decision to open another facility in Vietnam stems from the quality of workmanship.

By DanD85 on 6/17/2008 12:23:03 AM , Rating: 2
And please guys! Don't you know the difference between "diplomatic" commendation and "reality" life is huge. Do you really think that an assembly worker need a master degree?

And for MRwizard's worry about hardware piracy, you can rest at ease knowing that non of high-tech companies transfer their real core technology here, they just open big assembly line here to exploit the cheap labour. So even if the commie turn their face on them, they simply just loose an assembly line!

Grammar police
By amanojaku on 6/16/2008 6:59:57 AM , Rating: 1
Yahoo remains the most popular site in the country, even though it's a foreign-based intently .

Did you mean to say "entity?"

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