backtop


Print 101 comment(s) - last by DASQ.. on Feb 20 at 1:03 PM


Florida attorney Jack Thompson has made a career of blaming high-intensity media for tragedy; including attributing the 2007 Virginia Tech massacres on video games.

Jack Thompson on Fox News  (Source: Kotaku, Fox News)
Jack Thompson finds another opportunity to blame games

It didn’t take long for Florida attorney Jack Thompson to link video games to the tragic Northern Illinois University massacre.

Fox News recently hosted Thompson, where he proceeded to pin the NIU shooter Steven Kazmierczak’s actions on violent videogames. Thompson started off, “We find from brain scans studies out of Harvard that if you get started playing, for example, violent video games you can you are more likely to copycat the behaviors in the games.”

The Florida attorney continued, “You can rehearse these type of massacres on simulators which are called video games and you can are therefore made more proficient in doing this.”

Thompson’s finger wasn’t alone in pointing at video games as fuel for the NIU tragedy. In its version of the story, the New York Post linked the killer to his habit of playing Counter Strike while studying sociology at Northern Illinois University in 2003 and 2004.

“He played a lot of video games, especially Counter Strike, really loud,” said dorm mate Ben Woloszyn, 24.

Omitted from the New York Post story, however, was that Counter Strike was a game played by many other students at school. The Northwest Herald wrote, “Kazmierczak often would play the video game Counter Strike, a first-person shooting game, the roommates said, but they were quick to add that the game was nothing unusual for dormitory halls.”

The Herald pointed to other potential issues, such as Kazmierczak’s time at an inpatient psychiatric rehabilitation center, and his reported discontinuation of his anti-depressant medication several weeks before the shooting.



Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

Bullshi....
By kileil on 2/18/2008 4:57:32 PM , Rating: 3
Until the day comes where I see a videogame leap off my shelves and shoot up the living room, I'll continue to say the man holding the weapon was actually to blame in tragedies like this.




RE: Bullshi....
By kileil on 2/18/2008 5:00:24 PM , Rating: 3
Or I guess if someone was actually beat-down with a Guitar Hero axe, that would be acceptable too....


RE: Bullshi....
By spluurfg on 2/18/2008 6:12:42 PM , Rating: 5
If they ever invent time travel, I'm sure they'll somehow blame video games for the Spanish Inquisition.


RE: Bullshi....
By eye smite on 2/18/2008 6:24:33 PM , Rating: 5
It's the same story over and over. It's the parents and how they raised him that are to blame. I'm 38, played violent video games since they came out and I haven't tried to copy a game and go mass murder a group of people. If he copied the game with his attire that's not conclusive at all. There were obviously some deeper issues going on with this man to push him over the edge and it wasn't a stupid video game. No one in my age group across the country has mass murdered because of video games.

Hey, does anyone remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vESIVemfG8

He didn't play video games and he was sure armed to kill people if he'd aimed for them. lol


RE: Bullshi....
By spluurfg on 2/18/2008 8:01:26 PM , Rating: 3
Well, I'm not so sure if I would want to lay all the blame on the parents, given the circumstances regarding his psychological health and medication.


RE: Bullshi....
By eye smite on 2/18/2008 8:54:36 PM , Rating: 2
You know, I realize they can't put a leash on their son, but you have to admit that parents are the guiding force in a childs, adolescent and young adults life. Obviously he had been on medication for mental issues for quite sometime and as a family member, I'd tend to stay on top of that making sure he was giving an honest effort to stay on said medication. So no, I can't lay all the blame at the parents feet, but as family they do have a responsibility, no duty to keep an eye on certain things. Or they get to lose their son, as is the case here. You can bet over the weeks, months and years to come his family will stew on what they could have done to make a difference.


RE: Bullshi....
By bighairycamel on 2/19/2008 7:30:05 AM , Rating: 4
Yes the blame lies solly with him... if he would have signed up with the church of scientology long ago they would have been able to "fix" him so that none of this happened.


RE: Bullshi....
By Hieyeck on 2/20/2008 11:07:59 AM , Rating: 2
I find that everyone is taking this a little too seriously. It's all just scapegoating incompetent parenting. As video games took over the blame from TV and movies, in 30-40 years, something else will.


RE: Bullshi....
By Believer on 2/19/2008 1:26:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hey, does anyone remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vESIVemfG8

He didn't play video games and he was sure armed to kill people if he'd aimed for them. lol


Maybe there just weren't that many tank simulator games out by 1995 for him to know he could kill people with his stolen tank... :P


RE: Bullshi....
By fk49 on 2/18/2008 8:37:24 PM , Rating: 5
I don't think they ever expected the Spanish Inquisition


RE: Bullshi....
By Spivonious on 2/18/2008 10:00:07 PM , Rating: 5
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!


RE: Bullshi....
By kristof007 on 2/18/2008 11:23:56 PM , Rating: 2
Hell yea they will. Age of Empires? For sure that caused it!


RE: Bullshi....
By inperfectdarkness on 2/20/2008 10:08:43 AM , Rating: 2
i agree. i'm so angry about jack thompson that i may be forced to go on a spree and kill him.


RE: Bullshi....
By Omega215D on 2/18/2008 5:03:33 PM , Rating: 5
Mario taught me turtles are evil and that mushrooms, especially the green ones, are uber cool.


RE: Bullshi....
By AlphaVirus on 2/18/2008 5:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO!!

Mario is probably the longest, oldest, highest selling video game yet it never gets blamed for drug heads or people who hunt animals, turtles in particular.

Maybe this guy has not figured out that bashing on a kids playing device is still not getting him any credit. People still buy video games, people still PLAY video games and there are nowhere near millions of shootings.

If his claims of video games causing us to do things was true then I could possibly be rich with all the "Get money" cheats I have used throughout my gaming lifetime.


RE: Bullshi....
By dflynchimp on 2/18/2008 6:34:02 PM , Rating: 2
and that you will never settle down with the girl, because come the next game she'll once again be kidnapped by a gigantic nefarious mutant-turtle.

Now here's something I've been pondering tho...does counterstrike teach a person to kill themself?


RE: Bullshi....
By spamdawg on 2/18/2008 5:03:33 PM , Rating: 5
Guns don't kill people.... Video games do... wait...

/end sarcasm.


RE: Bullshi....
By Micronite on 2/18/2008 5:24:21 PM , Rating: 5
And there are a lot of people blaming this on guns.

I hope that it never happens, but it would be interesting to see people's reaction to a mass killing with a spoon.

People keep trying to blame tools for behavior.


RE: Bullshi....
By DCstewieG on 2/18/2008 5:30:21 PM , Rating: 2
Wow...I have just discovered that Google Book Search is sweet. I was going to tell you to find a George Carlin bit but my first search led me to this:

http://books.google.com/books?id=tAhEQKB1b8MC&pg=P...


RE: Bullshi....
By walk2k on 2/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: Bullshi....
By mattclary on 2/18/2008 6:11:32 PM , Rating: 2
The military uses games to train people, so there goes that theory.


RE: Bullshi....
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/18/2008 6:12:38 PM , Rating: 2
A video game can make you a better shooter, but can it make you want to shoot?


RE: Bullshi....
By BrownJohn on 2/18/2008 6:20:30 PM , Rating: 5
Dunk Hunt made me want to shoot that dog...


RE: Bullshi....
By Farfignewton on 2/18/2008 8:05:33 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
A video game can make you a better shooter


Has that ever been demonstrated? I'm sure the military is using games to teach tactics and such, but moving a mouse translates to aiming an actual gun about as much as pressing w and shift does to sprinting. In many years of gaming, shift-w has not improved my cardio fitness at all. :D


RE: Bullshi....
By oab on 2/18/2008 9:02:10 PM , Rating: 2
Videogames improve fine muscle dexterity (such as the link on DT about surgeons who play Wii are better than those who do not). So, if it works for a precision art like surgery, why not precision shooting?

This is of course assuming that you don't play shooters every day of the year for 16 hours and use the /pizza* command to get all the nourishment you require.

*http://www.boingboing.net/2005/02/18/everquest-now...


RE: Bullshi....
By DASQ on 2/19/2008 2:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
It's easy to prove.

Many games will teach you the basic actions of cycling ammunition, reloading, and proper use of iron sights and even scopes, adjusting for windage, elevation, etc.

All that's left is applying the knowledge, and physical strength combined with dexterity.

That being said, guns are not 'only' built to kill people. I own a couple firearms myself, and have never shot anyone. I've punched many a hole in paper, CRT monitors, pop cans, etc. Shooting is a sport too, so says the Olympics.
And I grew up when Doom was first unleashed. I'm also relatively certain you could describe me as "ridiculously morbid". But I have no desire to shoot random innocent people.


RE: Bullshi....
By Ryanman on 2/19/2008 3:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
I would argue that you can observe these things, but the vast majority of video games aren't exactly built for realism. Who pulls the charging handle on an m4 every time they pick it up? Who swings a Desert Eagle in a circle?

I learned how to shoot firearms with someone who knew what they were doing and being completely safe the entire time. The best part? I haven't killed any of my classmates. And I play CS 12+ hours a week, in addition to TF2/CoD while going skeet shooting once a month.


RE: Bullshi....
By DASQ on 2/19/2008 3:53:53 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, I would pull (not necessarily all the way) the charging handle every time I PICKED UP an M4 in a potential firefight, to check if a round was chambered so when I pulled the trigger it would not just go 'click'.

I would check any gun I 'picked up', for my own safety and the safety of those around me.


RE: Bullshi....
By christojojo on 2/18/2008 10:55:30 PM , Rating: 5
For those of us who have fired real guns, had real para-military training with the guns; we will tell you that game guns do not fire the same as real ones. (

Real shotguns, and rifles hurt the shooter if you hold it wrong.

You cannot fire a pistol one handed and hope to hit anything.

You cannot carry a LMG, SMG, Sniper rifle and 300 rounds each and still move.

You cannot run over burger boxes and instantly get healed.

You cannot call an air-strike that fall over you and everyone else, and only kill the "bad guys".

BTW. Guns were not only designed for war; some were actually designed to hunt, kill, and hopefully eat "Wabbits".


RE: Bullshi....
By DASQ on 2/19/2008 3:03:43 PM , Rating: 2
You CAN actually fire a pistol one handed and (intentionally) hit MANY things. Skill and training is required, and while it's not as proficient as a two handed grip, it's not "impossible".


RE: Bullshi....
By BMFPitt on 2/19/2008 7:20:48 PM , Rating: 2
Have you ever fired a gun whilst flying through the air?

Have you ever fired two guns whilst flying through the air?


RE: Bullshi....
By DASQ on 2/20/2008 1:03:53 PM , Rating: 2
No :(

and No ;_;

That would be fun though.


RE: Bullshi....
By eye smite on 2/18/2008 6:36:42 PM , Rating: 3
Here's another hater. Guns were also originally designed to hunt and bring home food as were bow and arrow and crossbows. Also it's interesting to note in your comment that the shooter was a kid. If you consider a 27 yr old man a kid, at what age would one have to reach for you to consider them an adult? Reading your comment several times now and the oozing sarcasm and contempt you put into it, I'll summarize with this......

Put down the crack pipe, there's help for you out there, your grasp of reality is severly distorted by your social delusions. It's not to late to kick the habit of self imposed idiocy, there really is help for you, OMG QQ BBQ.

"Let's face it, we're not changing the world. We're building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn." -- Seagate CEO Bill Watkins


RE: Bullshi....
By oab on 2/18/2008 9:06:52 PM , Rating: 1
Riiight. Because hard drives have LOTS to do with gun-control legislation.

Of course, it would be more accurate to say that he was right, about handguns, machine guns, bazookas, sub-machine guns, semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic shotguns, fully-automatic shot guns, shoulder-mounted heat-seeking missiles, etc.

That of course leaves single-shot rifles and single/double barrelled led shotguns. You can throw muskets in there as well if you want, but I wouldn't.


RE: Bullshi....
By eye smite on 2/18/2008 10:17:54 PM , Rating: 5
I think it would also be more accurate to say that of all the crimes committed with guns, and I mean all, deaths or no deaths come to far less than 1% of the population of this country. I also think it would be more accurate to say that far more people are killed by irresponsible and drunk drivers in a car or SUV each yr than are killed with guns. I also think it would be more accurate to say that people get an emotional zeal about gun control when they've never fired or owned a gun and have no idea how very responsibe the rest of us gun owners are that you're persecuting. You can have my pistol and my 30-30 when you pry it from my dead cold fingers. :-)


RE: Bullshi....
By christojojo on 2/18/2008 10:59:51 PM , Rating: 2
Here's a homework assignment for you.

What are the percentage of people killed by cars?

illegally and accidentally by guns (excluding wars because killing is legal then)?

in household accidents?

(if your too lazy look at this for starters)

http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/135_deaths_an...


RE: Bullshi....
By theapparition on 2/19/2008 7:11:58 AM , Rating: 3
What I see in this data is that the rate of deaths from firearms and handguns has decreased per capita for every year of the study. Exactly at the same times that videogames have increased in popularity.

It would be interesting to see more recent data, but I'd wager the decreasing trend continues.


RE: Bullshi....
By CascadingDarkness on 2/19/2008 6:19:18 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for link!

Take a quick look, numbers are much higher for acciental poisoning than gun related deaths. Never knew poisoning deaths were so high!


RE: Bullshi....
By DASQ on 2/19/2008 6:36:48 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder what "accidental poisoning" covers. Does a donut death by someone with Celiac's count as accidental poisoning?

Or only on things "officially" considered poisons?


RE: Bullshi....
By surt on 2/19/2008 1:06:03 PM , Rating: 2
I think the point you are missing is that it is, in fact, quite difficult to execute a mass killing with a spoon. The point of the anti-gun side of the argument is that the gun makes it easy to kill a lot of people when you go crazy. How many people, exactly, do you think this lunatic could have killed had he gone berserk with a knife instead? And with a spoon?


RE: Bullshi....
By Fusible on 2/18/2008 5:40:39 PM , Rating: 4
I think Thomson just always got owned in Pong and now is on a kill all video games spree. I guess video games are the problem;-)


RE: Bullshi....
By amanojaku on 2/18/2008 5:05:04 PM , Rating: 5
Jack Thompson and his ilk are @$$holes. Like I can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality! I'd frag them all if my BFG9000 wasn't in the shop...


RE: Bullshi....
By jadeskye on 2/18/2008 5:52:59 PM , Rating: 2
i like you XD


RE: Bullshi....
By Hiawa23 on 2/18/2008 5:15:24 PM , Rating: 2
The blame needs to go to this guy that did the shooting not videogames. No game as ever gave me the idea to killed or hurt anyone. Kind of sad that these guys always want to blame videogames, yet when someone gets raped or something they don't blame pornos. Not a good analogy, but this guy has had it in for videogames for some time now. Parents need to police the content their kids has acces to, not the govt or this guy, & there was something seriously wrong with this guy, someone shoul dhave caught on to the signs or something before this happened. Perhaps this what they should be studying....


RE: Bullshi....
By IraeNicole on 2/18/2008 5:29:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
yet when someone gets raped or something they don't blame pornos.


Actually some feminist views are that pornography helps perpetuates sexist views towards women that lead to rape and sexual harassment. These are more second wave views I think though.


RE: Bullshi....
By BMFPitt on 2/19/2008 7:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
And they get really annoyed with you when you point out the inverse relationship between availability of porn and incidence of rape.


RE: Bullshi....
By VahnTitrio on 2/18/2008 5:44:51 PM , Rating: 5
I realize stats can be used to prove most things but that is one of my favorite graphics.

http://kendricke.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/crime...


RE: Bullshi....
By mattclary on 2/18/2008 6:14:00 PM , Rating: 2
The early 90s are also when many states streamlined the process of approving carry permits, so we should also have a graph correlating a better armed populace with less crime.


RE: Bullshi....
By christojojo on 2/18/2008 11:12:29 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if there is a correlation between reduced number of psychiatric hospital beds and the increase in psychotic murders?

I know in Western New York, there is a huge reduction of bedding; leaving it up to families not capable/ trustworthy enough to do it. (No, I'm not saying that all or even most families are not trustworthy/ capable. Just some are.)


RE: Bullshi....
By 3kliksphilip on 2/18/2008 6:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't he promise never to do this again after the Grand Theft Auto case? Or was that some one else?


RE: Bullshi....
By EE Pete on 2/18/2008 7:35:07 PM , Rating: 5
I couldn't have said it better myself.

I'm a senior at NIU, gaming is just as rampant(relative term) here as in other universities, speaking from experience. The only problem that has been observed is that a gamer may not have enough discipline to stop and get back to his/her studies. School in itself can drive someone mental and gaming is very welcomed outlet. It also brings people together.

We will never be completely certain why he snapped. There are way to many parameters to consider. I am tired of people not considering the complexity of the situation. I am not saying gaming or guns, ease of availability of, did not contribute to this tragic event, but rather they could have been a fraction of the problem. There are many deeper psychological issues that had to exist before games or weapons would influence one to that point.

I would like for people to have some dignity and keep their "righteous" agendas, be it gun laws, game laws, whatever, to themselves until the victims, families, and the rest of the community has a time to move on. Otherwise they are just preying on them and their emotional state. A very effective tactic, but very dishonorable.

One thing that is certain is the heart of many university students across the U.S. We are a very understanding, open minded, and welcoming group of people. Because of this and the wonderful tradition of open campuses we are very vulnerable.

To all college students out there: Stay strong. Stand proud.


RE: Bullshi....
By stepone on 2/18/2008 7:46:39 PM , Rating: 5
I've been rigoursly training in Burnout Paradise for this last week so that 1 day I can transfer my accutely honed driving skills developed in a videogame (which of course translates perfectly to the real world) to continuously barrel roll my car through 6 miles of oncoming traffic & neatly land in my parking space at work every morning.

My attempt to emulate Motorstorm in my Ford Fiesta last year may have ended badly but i've got a good feeling about this one!


RE: Bullshi....
By SavagePotato on 2/19/2008 9:12:09 AM , Rating: 2
Dropping off antidepressants suddenly, which this guy did, can have some incredibly mind blowing effects. Maybe they should call Tom Cruise as well. Him and Jack can have a mentally unstable person conversation where they laugh maniacally at each other over and over. After all come on Tom is the only one that you know can truly help.

Did they subdue this guy when he stopped because he thought it was time to disarm the bomb?


Jack's Confusion . . .
By Rike on 2/18/2008 5:19:09 PM , Rating: 5
Jack has confused correlation with cause. It's a common mistake. A really annoying common mistake.




RE: Jack's Confusion . . .
By kileil on 2/18/08, Rating: 0
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/18/2008 6:01:27 PM , Rating: 5
Well, Pavlov actually won a Nobel prize demonstrating that it does (for dogs).


RE: Jack's Confusion . . .
By borismkv on 2/18/2008 7:10:10 PM , Rating: 5
Nope. It's the marijuana.


Why not
By Omega215D on 2/18/2008 5:02:31 PM , Rating: 3
blame relationships and dating as well? According to some of the stories he was also upset at the breakup of his girlfriend.

Girlfriends are evil! =P




RE: Why not
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/18/2008 5:05:38 PM , Rating: 3
You could then argue he didn't have a good relationship with his girlfriend because he played Counterstrike all day ...

Don't give Jack any ideas


RE: Why not
By Omega215D on 2/18/2008 5:10:51 PM , Rating: 5
According to past postings Jack is supposedly a stay at home dad while his wife is a working attorney. I think he has too much free time to think of anything to yap at.

Jack Bigalow, litigating gigolo.


By HOOfan 1 on 2/18/2008 4:58:56 PM , Rating: 3
It is easier to go around blaming stuff you don't understand than actually getting down to the actual reasons behind things.




By walk2k on 2/18/2008 5:59:31 PM , Rating: 3
because you can't SUE the actual reasons.

Jackie boy is just an amubulance chasing personal injury lawyer, like those guys you see on late night tv HAVE YOU BEEN INJURED BY A VIDEO GAME?? CALL 1-800-SCUMBAG!


By Alpha4 on 2/18/2008 9:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
Well I hope you're happy. That # was recognized by my Skypeout mozilla plugin, so naturally I had to click it. There was no Mr.Thompson, but I did reach "An exciting hotline for people to talk!"
:*(


By Alpha4 on 2/18/2008 9:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
Well I hope you're happy. That # was recognized by my Skypeout mozilla plugin, so naturally I had to click it. There was no Mr.Thompson, but I did reach "An exciting hotline for people to talk!"
:(


I would argue
By fic2 on 2/18/2008 6:52:00 PM , Rating: 2
That school kids should be forced to play video games then they could defend themselves against the nutjobs of the world.

Although I don't know how clicking a mouse equates to pulling a trigger. I would think paint ball (or the military/police) is better training for mass killing sprees.

Wasn't the D.C. sniper ex-military?




RE: I would argue
By nvalhalla on 2/18/2008 7:25:38 PM , Rating: 3
I second that legislation! All children starting at age 5 must play Mortal Kombat for 1 hour each day at school. By the time they reach high school they will be so good at martial arts that school shooters won't have a chance!

I was in the Marine infantry, and I can tell you from experience that whenever we received a new weapon system or piece of equipment, we just played Doom to become proficient with it. Anyone who's been to boot camp in the last 10 years will tell you that all we do to train for war now is play video games. We don't even need to touch real weapons!


RE: I would argue
By Farfignewton on 2/18/2008 7:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I was in the Marine infantry, and I can tell you from experience that whenever we received a new weapon system or piece of equipment, we just played Doom to become proficient with it.


Hmmm... It seems I may owe Time magazine an apology. I said some very unflattering things concerning the story in '99 claiming the Columbine shooters perfected their aim playing Doom. I guess the lack of a "y" axis and auto-aim wasn't as big of a hindrance as I thought. ;)


RE: I would argue
By BMFPitt on 2/19/2008 7:26:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hmmm... It seems I may owe Time magazine an apology. I said some very unflattering things concerning the story in '99 claiming the Columbine shooters perfected their aim playing Doom. I guess the lack of a "y" axis and auto-aim wasn't as big of a hindrance as I thought. ;)
So that's where my nutbag professor back in 1999 got that from. Did he add the part about how they aimed for the head because "you got more points for headshots" himself, or was that in there, too?

Doom makes you into Rambo like Guitar Hero makes you into Hendrix.


Whats even more funny!!!
By Fusible on 2/18/2008 5:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
DT never really pastes such a large pic of anyone or anything but they paste the poster child of anti-video games right below the headline on the homepage.




RE: Whats even more funny!!!
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/18/2008 6:16:27 PM , Rating: 2
Change has to start somewhere :)


RE: Whats even more funny!!!
By gradoman on 2/18/2008 7:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
I really like the Looney Toons photo up on the front.

May I suggest you start a 'Toon of the Month' photo calendar? Let's start with Jack, go on to Michael (Bay), Steve Ballmer, Tom Cruise...

...you get the point.


RE: Whats even more funny!!!
By Ringold on 2/18/2008 9:17:47 PM , Rating: 2
When I typed in dailytech.com and saw Jack suddenly staring at me it scared the heck out of me. The face of evil, suddenly staring at me, right there in the middle of my screen. I'm not used to pictures located in that column...

Please, make the transition with pictures less likely to induce seizures, fight-or-flight responses, or fits of rage. Jessica Alba pictures would be a nice transitional set. :)


More proficient?
By Farfignewton on 2/18/2008 6:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
Has anyone here managed to turn gaming skills into proficiency with real weapons? I've fired a few real weapons and a whole lot of video game ones. Frankly, the skills don't seem to cross-over with the possible exception of reaction time. I've never seen the reload button on a firearm. I've never had my mouse kick when left-clicking. I've never had to hold my mouse steady in the air to aim at something. I've never seen a real plasma gun. Pressing "G" has not improved my range or accuracy when throwing fist sized objects, if it did, I'd be pitching for the Yankees. Every game. Making more money than A-Rod.

On another topic, has anyone seen the "murder simulaters" Jack loves to talk about? The ones where the point of the game is to run around a mall or school shooting unarmed people? I suppose there may be such a game, but I suspect the challenge level is a bit lower than the typical terrorist zombie nazi demons from hell (patent pending ;) ) opponents one more typically faces.




RE: More proficient?
By BruceLeet on 2/18/2008 8:24:32 PM , Rating: 2
Bologna

I hunt large/small game with my dad in the spring and fall, deer caribou moose geese ducks, I use a .308 Winchester and a Benelli shotgun, Ive been hunting all my life and there is just no comparison.

Now you may play a certain video game and probably be good at it, but do you think your video game can train you to shoot a live moving animal a few hundred yards away with a scoped rifle, or to hit a duck travelling at 40-50mph using a shotgun.

Note, My family doesn't hunt for sport.


RE: More proficient?
By Farfignewton on 2/18/2008 9:46:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
do you think your video game can train you to shoot a live moving animal a few hundred yards away with a scoped rifle, or to hit a duck travelling at 40-50mph using a shotgun.


Absolutely. As long as that animal is in the video game ;). In the real world, beer cans (that someone else emptied) more than 15' away might as well be on the far side of the moon.


@#$* him
By cubby1223 on 2/18/2008 6:46:33 PM , Rating: 2
I have friends down at NIU, one who saw everything out his dorm window, and he had a friend who was in the lecture hall at the time. And then don't even get me started on FOX News, they were first to break the story, by getting nearly every detail of it wrong.

Thompson is using a tragic event that has nothing to do with video games, and using it solely for personal gain. Fuck him. How about blaming the man who gave a gun to someone who was previously in a mental institution, and still on psych meds?

To make the car analogy, rich people own Ferraris, thus the way to become rich is to buy a Ferrari. That's how fucked up the video game analogy is, and anyone who gives this jackass publicity.

Pardon my French.




RE: @#$* him
By OdinX on 2/18/2008 6:49:14 PM , Rating: 2
he needs to brush his yellow snaggle tooth. Before making wild accusations.


RE: @#$* him
By EE Pete on 2/18/2008 10:58:56 PM , Rating: 2
My friends and I were watching the news and we were finding a lot of mistakes that were being reported. Don't get me started on the press announcements. I felt like walking down there and slapping the reporters for not paying attention to what the speakers where saying or what their colleagues where asking.


Old article, but..
By gradoman on 2/18/2008 5:22:08 PM , Rating: 3
...it'll give you glimpse into this idiot's brain. Hell, I recommend he has his head examined and prescribed medication, because in his world 1+1 = 3. Or something. Jeez.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18220228/




RE: Old article, but..
By cscpianoman on 2/18/2008 6:26:11 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, what a loony.


Video Games....
By cscpianoman on 2/18/2008 6:19:20 PM , Rating: 2
I don't believe the video game was the problem. The problem was the individual distorting his own reality by separating himself from the rest of the world. It was a downward spiral of his own creation. He just decided to follow the downward spiral by using a video game. He got locked into a habit and couldn't let go. It could have just as easily been some violent movie or book. Shoot, he could have completely lost it while fixing his car or doing his homework.

The media loves correlations, while statisticians absolutely hate them. Correlations can get anything into the news and cause all sorts of hubbub. That is why they do and that is what Thompson is grasping onto. Hey look! Eating salsa causes ulcers! It is also a proven fact that confusing correlation and cause turns you into a dork.




RE: Video Games....
By mmntech on 2/18/2008 6:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
A caused B and B caused C so A must cause C. That's the sort of logic being used by the anti-VG people. It was the same in the 1950s where people were claiming TV watching caused juvenile delinquency. It's specious reasoning. The real problem today is this idea that nobody should have to take responsibility for their own actions. Just like when "Dr" Phil claimed video games caused the Virginia Tech shooter to go on his spree, the exact same thing applies here. Like the VT shooter, this young man had mental issues. The one thing that's different is that he was known to have these issues, but stopped taking his meds. He alone was responsible for what happened. I'm assuming he made a conscious decision to stop taking his medication. You cannot blame video games, or TV, the government, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster for what happened.

What never makes the news are the millions of people who played the same games, walked into the office the next day, and did nothing. It's interesting to note this first appeared on Fox News, who just recently aired a report containing false allegations of pornography in Mass Effect. Fox News is an abomination, though the liberal media pulls the same stunts. It's all about sensation and infotainment.


does....
By mollick2 on 2/18/2008 6:38:16 PM , Rating: 2
anyone even take him serious anymore?

its not like 10 or so people who snap and kill some people and happen to play a violent video game that hundreds of thousands of other people play around the world is really a statistic indicating violent videos cause people to kill others.




RE: does....
By borismkv on 2/18/2008 7:25:44 PM , Rating: 2
He designed one of the most violent games I've ever played. http://derekyu.com/games.html
More of a joke, but absolutely follows the design in his challenge to gamers to come up with a game of his design, for which he failed to meet his end of the deal. Penny Arcade made the 10,000 dollar donation he promised for him, since he's just a complete nutcase.


Can I get a show of hands?
By eye smite on 2/18/2008 10:25:28 PM , Rating: 4
I'd like to know how many of us posting on ths article are gun owners, what guns we have, and have you ever killed anyone?

I have a 38 special and a 30-30 lever action.




It's the other way around
By cochy on 2/18/2008 5:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
How hard is it to make this equation:

People more prone to violent crimes are more likely to play violent video games and/or other violent media (which there are plenty).

In such a case it's hardly the said media fault he's a violent person, as he was already violent before exposure to the media.

So unless the can prove that his exposure to the video games happened exactly before he became a violent person then these people are full of prunes.




RE: It's the other way around
By JDoobs on 2/18/2008 7:49:20 PM , Rating: 1
Unfortunately, regardless of how simple the correlation is, the average joe (particularly those who rely on Fox to give them their news) won't realize that this is an overly simplified correlation that Jack-le makes every time there is a shooting; regardless of whether the shooter even played video games. (VT)


What's really dangerous
By slacker57 on 2/18/2008 5:25:57 PM , Rating: 3
Jack needs to focus more of his time and energy on the really scary games like "My Horse and Me." I mean, who knows how many little kids are out there training on their "Swedish Oxer" and "Hogsback" simulators to become champion show jumpers some day. It's frightening. Without these games, we'd never have to endure the horrors committed upon humanity by these twisted equestrians. There couldn't possibly be any other influences except for this game (and Barbie's Horse Adventures) that are driving these unstable kids to horseback riding.

To avoid embarrassment, all terminology was referenced via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_jumping#Types_of... and not my own personal experience




Right, video games are evil!
By Belard on 2/18/2008 8:19:36 PM , Rating: 3
Hate these self-rightous retards.

Yeah, games teach people to kill and make them into mass-murdering pyschos! What, 50 million people play GTA SA, so were are the millions of mudering kids? Hello? Anyone? maybe 1 or 2.

If games did things like this, than I guess those of us who spend hundreds of hours playing combat flight sims can jump into an F-16 Falcon Fighter jet and fly it, do manuvers and land.... er, no. In real life, we'd spend maybe hours trying to figure out how to start the jet... And most likely would end up crashing before we took off.

Perhaps it was something else? maybe the guy didn't get a good homesome breakfeast? yeah, he ate way too many McDonalds breakfest food-like stuff everyday! Maybe he wasn't good at oral. Maybe he was just nuts and wasn't on his meds?

Maybe if he wasn't sold 3-4 guns, he'd only have shot people with his Wii remote?!

Next, we'll be blaming video games on Adolf Hitler... oh yeah, Video Games did that too, see: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kYvZnTFpip0




By Polynikes on 2/18/2008 4:58:14 PM , Rating: 2
This kind of stuff used to bother me, but not anymore. Clearly these are just weak attempts. So far there has been no curbing of video games despite many shootings supposedly linked to them.




By ShadowZERO on 2/18/2008 5:11:45 PM , Rating: 2
I think its funny the way he tries to make it sound so scientific and physical. To me, copycating behavior from a genre in entertainment in real life(video game or otherwise) is evidence to me of a psychological disorder and nothing to do with the physical world.




Perhaps...
By Proteusza on 2/18/2008 5:33:01 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps there is a correlation.

BUT I would say that its more likely that someone prone to commit violent acts will want to play videogames, than someone who plays violent videogames will want to commit violent acts.




By uhgotnegum on 2/18/2008 5:56:55 PM , Rating: 2
I'm serious people...

According to Thompson, "We find from brain scans studies out of Harvard that if you get started playing, for example, violent video games you can you are more likely to copycat the behaviors in the games."

He's right! They did forget the part where Mr. Obvious adds that "people who don't play violent video games are not going to copy them, because they haven't played them and can't copy something they haven't seen in the first place." Right?

Oh, and of course they forgot the part where the millions of other people who play violent video games don't go around killing people, but that point is much more subtle.

Oh, and how about the part where people were killing other people before violent video games...must've been reading violent books. Or, in video game infancy, there must've been a lot of people trying to jump across the gator infested waters by landing on the gator's closed mouth, because we copy video games (don't even get me started on the ducking and jumping over boulders...phew).

For comparison...If you are taught Spanish in school you are more likely to speak in Spanish than a person who has not taken Spanish. (eh, not quite the same, but I like it anyway)

Yay for exaggeration!




Good ole Jack
By borismkv on 2/18/2008 7:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose I don't mind him doing this. I mean, Fox News is the only company on earth that's probably willing to give him money. I seriously doubt he has any of those "clients" to do stuff for in court.




By DanoruX on 2/18/2008 8:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
Millions of people play or have played Counter-Strike, two or three of them have been involved in shootings. Therefore clearly CS is to blame!




By wordsworm on 2/18/2008 8:26:19 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone recall the Simpson's episode where they discover that violence was around before TV?




Enough!
By jbizzler on 2/18/2008 9:27:35 PM , Rating: 2
Holy books cause people to kill each other in the middle east every day. Maybe we should outlaw those.

“You can rehearse these type of massacres on simulators which are called video games and you can are therefore made more proficient in doing this.”
In what game do you walk into a lecture and kill defenseless people? At least in the games I play, everyone has a weapon. No one is defenseless. If there is someone defenseless, I'm usually trying to save them!

And what about games can make you more proficient at killing? The only thing CS and this massacre have in common is all the gunman has to do is point and click. It's not like the game taught him how to load/reload the guns or told him where to get one! The only thing CS could make you more proficient at is being sneaky and strategic.




By DeepBlue1975 on 2/19/2008 8:53:17 AM , Rating: 2
If they have time to spare, they could as well blame drug addictions on Pacman.

After all Pacman was just a big mouthed character that could only survive by eating a freaking lot of pills, specially some big ones that made him hallucinate seeing glow on the ghosts and even allowed him to... Eat them!

That's the description of a junkie and potential schizo-paranoid serial killer that thinks everyone around him is an evil ghost that he must avoid or... eat alive. :D




VT
By djkrypplephite on 2/19/2008 12:01:01 PM , Rating: 2
This must be the same Jack Thompson that said VT was because of gaming, yet for some reason he had no games whatsoever.

He should sponsor a study to see the percentages of people who play video games and don't go on violent rampages, versus how many people do. Actually. he should see how big that ratio is, and then check out how many people kill other people WITHOUT playing ANY games. What a moron.




Who didn't see this coming?
By dflynchimp on 2/18/2008 5:36:37 PM , Rating: 1
I'm pretty sure no one raised their hands to that question...

Such a sad story. I'm just hoping that FOX news (you call that news?!) is the only channel demented enough to host Jack Thompson's lunacy.




Jackie Jackie
By Synastar on 2/19/2008 9:43:21 PM , Rating: 1
Jack Thompson is nothing but an attention whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

Metaphorically speaking, he's the guy who said Rock & Roll was the downfall of society back in the 50's.

Good read - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23204875/




"Well, there may be a reason why they call them 'Mac' trucks! Windows machines will not be trucks." -- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer











botimage
Copyright 2014 DailyTech LLC. - RSS Feed | Advertise | About Us | Ethics | FAQ | Terms, Conditions & Privacy Information | Kristopher Kubicki