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Iranian game developers hope the world is paying attention

Certainly not known for its booming game market, the country of Iran hopes to launch a video game revolution that will interest all of the Middle East and parts of the western world.

During the gamescom event in Germany, members of the Iran National Foundation of Computer Games were on hand to discuss the current cultural challenge of having Iranian games sold in western nations.

The political climate between the United States and Iran -- including sanctions -- makes it impossible for Iranian video games to be sold on the mass market in the U.S., but Iranian game officials hope video games made in Iran will enter several European Union nations in early 2010.

"We need more investors," said Amir Tarbyatjoui, head of Parsan Business Development Solutions who spoke with the BBC.  "The [U.S.] sanctions do affect our industry, but they cannot stop it."

The region has a rich cultural history that many Iranian game developers are using in their titles, but even the most highly publicized games don't garner much attention outside of the Middle East.

The most well known Iranian game likely is "Special Operation 85:  Hostage Rescue."  In the game, Israeli forces kidnap two Iranian nuclear scientists who are then saved by the Iranian special forces -- skirmishes between the Iranians and Israeli/U.S. forces take place throughout the game.

Unfortunately for Iranian developers trying to work through a very difficult political situation, the game wasn't well known inside Iran, but attracted international media attention.  In the future, game developers hope to prove their game making ability by creating games that will be playable in the western world without a high level of controversy.



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hah
By cruisin3style on 8/27/2009 8:37:45 PM , Rating: 5
I'll admit i'm no military expert but iranian forces overtaking u.s. and israeli forces?

US intelligence about the iranian forces must have said they were "mostly young boys and old men"... classic mix-up




RE: hah
By hadifa on 8/27/2009 8:52:28 PM , Rating: 5
hmmm, what about US marines taking Aliens! hello, it's a game.

And you never know, they might turn up even better than Vietcong.


RE: hah
By cruisin3style on 8/27/2009 9:18:15 PM , Rating: 1
it was a ww2 joke..

besides, we didn't lose vietnam because we were defeated, but because US public sentiment about it was turning really ugly.

which is exactly what al-qaeda and the taliban are trying to do.


RE: hah
By jlips6 on 8/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: hah
By FITCamaro on 8/28/2009 6:56:20 AM , Rating: 5
Yeah all those Al-Qaeda and Taliban we've killed don't matter at all....or the constant threat of one of our UAVs launching a rocket up their @$$.....or an AC130 raining down fire.

They do care about us. That's why they spread disinformation about casualties on both sides. They know the best way to get us to leave is to turn our own public against the war.


RE: hah
By Bateluer on 8/28/2009 9:18:53 AM , Rating: 4
You need to go back to school. Spreading disinformation and lies to turn US sentiment against the war is EXACTLY what Al Qaeda and the Taliban want. They know damn well they cannot survive toe to toe with the military of civilized nation, whether that be the US, the IDF, the Brits, Russians, etc. They know the only chance they have of 'winning' is to get the US citizens to pressure the US politicians to withdraw.

Sadly, our own citizens here in the US spend 7 years helping them to do just that.


RE: hah
By Regs on 9/1/2009 9:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
That's in every prolonged war or conflict and it's called war-weariness. People surrender their prior illusions about the glorious outcomes war was supposed to bring and insist that continuing conflict will do more damage than good. The cost of lives, human capital, and money becomes a burden on the people greater than they were originally willing to bare.


RE: hah
By MrBlastman on 8/28/2009 11:31:10 AM , Rating: 4
We lost Vietnam because McNamara was an incompetent prick.

If he had minded his own business and let the military commanders fight the war the way THEY wanted to fight it, rather than playing armchair quarterback from his comfy office in Washington, the war might have played out quite differently. We tucked tails and ran from the country leaving it in shambles due to Washingtons complete incompetence and inability to understand how to hit the enemy hard and fast and... where it counts.

If McNamara had backed off, the tide of war could have possibly been different and all the fargin hippies wouldn't have had something to complain about. There were so many rules of engagement that inhibited our military it was rediculous.

At least though, 35 years later, Vietnam is starting to become a booming economic beacon of future potential. There is a lot of interest right now in Vietnam and what their economy could provide to the rest of the world.


RE: hah
By hashish2020 on 8/28/2009 12:27:23 PM , Rating: 2
Nice textbook response

Go to Vietnam and actually check out the killing fields and the mutilated kids before you spout off again


RE: hah
By Tacoloft on 8/28/2009 12:46:05 PM , Rating: 1
What textbook are you referring to? Last I checked our education system is controlled and history has been and is being re-written in almost all textbooks by leftist, liberal, Progressive, (insert latest new obscured definition here).
Are you implying that during that same time if the Vietnam war was instead fought on American soil that the Vietnamese would have been more merciful to American children?
Can we all agree that in ANY war in the past wrong have occurred on BOTH sides?
hashish2020 consider both sides before spouting off and lumping ALL of American vets as bad evil or responsible for the atrocities of the few! At least John Kerry admitted he participated in murdering Vietnamese kids right? So he gets a pass right? (you lame idiot)


RE: hah
By hashish2020 on 8/31/2009 1:12:07 AM , Rating: 2
Textbook does not mean FROM a textbook, it simply is a reference to how formulaic your response is.

"Are you implying that during that same time if the Vietnam war was instead fought on American soil that the Vietnamese would have been more merciful to American children?"

Yes. Not to mention, it wouldn't have engendered as much local negative sentiment because we wouldn't have come in in a country that savagely resisted foreign occupiers, from the Chinese to the French, as yet another one who simply put up more puppet rulers (not to mention one that was Catholic and as antidemocratic as any fascist, to the level that he banned nightclubs) to support our own aims.

"Can we all agree that in ANY war in the past wrong have occurred on BOTH sides?"

And degrees don't matter? Tarring and feathering a tax collector does not equate to layering villages with cluster bombs because they were "free fire" zones

"hashish2020 consider both sides before spouting off and lumping ALL of American vets as bad evil or responsible for the atrocities of the few!"

When did I say that? Low level soldiers are not responsible for ideas such as free fire zones. If you think My Lai was where it started and ended, look at Agent Orange victims and Ben Tre


RE: hah
By MrBlastman on 8/28/09, Rating: -1
RE: hah
By just4U on 8/28/2009 2:45:12 PM , Rating: 2
and more to the point ... It might not have come at such a cost. The loss of life in that conflict was very high. :(


RE: hah
By MrBlastman on 8/28/2009 2:49:21 PM , Rating: 3
You are right, it was stupidly high--all due to our Government's incompetence and refusal to let the Military properly run the war.

It did not have to be as nasty as it was.


RE: hah
By hashish2020 on 8/31/2009 1:24:56 AM , Rating: 1
"Perhaps be more thorough in your challenge to my post and outline the areas with which you are at a challenge to rather than coming up with an empty, half-witted response."

Everywhere

The entire doctrine backing up containment was stupid from the get go. As a reference, look at the Viet-Khmer and Sino-Vietnam wars

Want it point by point?

" We lost Vietnam because McNamara was an incompetent prick."

We lost Vietnam because we were foreigners and Ho Chi Minh was a symbol of anti-French heroism (and in no way a totally committed communist or a supporter of cults of personality, simply a nationalist who realized that a transition from a traditional economy where those who were rich were there because of who they were born to required...change...)

"If McNamara had backed off, the tide of war could have possibly been different and all the fargin hippies wouldn't have had something to complain about. There were so many rules of engagement that inhibited our military it was rediculous."

Right, more free fire zones and villages automatically deemed as Viet Cong supporters would have totally turned the war in the paddies for us.

News Flash---the only places we had the people's support were among Catholics and in cities like Danang and Saigon, because our soldiers were spending money on hookers and booze

And the country was over 90% rural at the time, and highly xenophobic after millenia of Chinese slavery and a century of French abuse

"At least though, 35 years later, Vietnam is starting to become a booming economic beacon of future potential. "

Which started in '86, not long after they had healed from the 4 quick successive wars (French, American, Khmer and Chinese)

"We tucked tails and ran from the country leaving it in shambles due to Washingtons complete incompetence and inability to understand how to hit the enemy hard and fast and... where it counts."

Can you explain to me where was where it counted? Because unless you killed every villager who worked the land of an absent lazy inherited landowner (about 90% of the Vietnamese) the Viet Cong would still be there and respected, mostly for smacking the shit out of the Japanese and French when noone helped the country

Yet another pseudo-intellectual who thinks that free-market ideals can be exported wholesale even to Asian countries who have had 1000's of years of fossilized social stratification and traditional economies


RE: hah
By DanD85 on 8/29/2009 9:44:10 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry to say this, but "5 years later, Vietnam is starting to become a booming economic beacon of future potential. There is a lot of interest right now in Vietnam and what their economy could provide to the rest of the world.". Is what exactly what the Commies want you to believe dude. I call on this a big "BS"

Let me tell you this, I've been living here over 20 years and I can honestly tell you that look can be very very deceiving.

There's only 1 "right way" of thinking here (the Commie's way I might add) and even the Discovery Channel and National Geographic get censored over subject like WWII or VN war. It's like living in a big prison of mind without the walls. That would tell you sth about the "bright future" you were refering to.

So I suggest you next time ask or learn from someone who truly live there and know the situation before spewing out things like that.


RE: hah
By grath on 8/27/2009 9:12:03 PM , Rating: 5
US intellegence failed to account for the fact that Iran is an AWP whore.


RE: hah
By MrPoletski on 8/28/2009 9:00:33 AM , Rating: 2
ROFL I just spat my tea all over my screen


RE: hah
By Rugar on 8/28/2009 9:07:55 AM , Rating: 2
Clearly demands a 6! C'mon mods!


RE: hah
By MrPoletski on 8/28/2009 9:07:37 AM , Rating: 2
The Iranians do have a lot of Russian military tech. Like the Sunburn/Moskit anti ship missile, for example.

The missile of which the west has no equivelant and is thought by many to be the deadliest anti ship missile in existance.

Mach 3 9ft above sea level with a range of 100 miles launchable from mobile platforms (think SUCD platforms) and carrying 750lb of explosives (or a 200kt nuke) says the strait of hormuz is CLOSED today thanks.


RE: hah
By Ammohunt on 8/28/2009 2:01:50 PM , Rating: 2
LOL ever see (just the visable like the Phalanx) ship board defences of the US NAVY? it plenty to stop any russian anti-ship missle.


RE: hah
By Starcub on 8/29/2009 9:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
I think he was trolling. Yes, the Phalanx was designed to shoot down conventional missles, howerver... if the crazies in Iran really had 200kt nukes, and rockets to put them in, there would probably be no Israel to rescue hostages from, and the current debate over war in Iran wouldn't make sense. Of course, this assumes that the Iranian pol's aren't simply crying "death to <insert name of 'western' satan here>" to fulfill some collective political adgenda -- you know, like pol's do...


RE: hah
By MastermindX on 8/28/2009 4:32:10 PM , Rating: 2
The same US intelligence that "found" WMD in Iraq?


RE: hah
By InfantryRocks on 8/28/09, Rating: 0
Finally
By Gzus666 on 8/27/2009 7:37:43 PM , Rating: 3
About time they got sick of that tyrannical crap over there and started doing things in spite of the religious zealots that overrun that area.




RE: Finally
By JS on 8/28/2009 3:30:03 AM , Rating: 5
Most people there ARE sick of the tyrannical crap. That's the problem with tyrants, they don't really care much what people think.


RE: Finally
By FITCamaro on 8/28/2009 6:57:26 AM , Rating: 1
We don't have to look at Iran to find a leader that doesn't care what the majority of people think...


RE: Finally
By MrPoletski on 8/28/2009 9:01:43 AM , Rating: 2
*eyebrows*

whom might you be referring to?


RE: Finally
By HrilL on 8/28/2009 3:59:03 PM , Rating: 2
Just about every American politician. Pretty much all politicians actually.


RE: Finally
By MadMan007 on 8/31/2009 9:48:05 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, despite Ahmadinejad's nuttiness and the clerical ruling bodies, for the region Iran is relatively open culturally.


RE: Finally
By Bateluer on 9/2/2009 4:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
Only when compared to other Islamic dictatorships can Iran be considered 'open'.


I don't know about you guys...
By bkslopper on 8/27/2009 7:37:48 PM , Rating: 5
...but a flying carpet simulator could be fun. =P




RE: I don't know about you guys...
By TMV192 on 8/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: I don't know about you guys...
By Jedi2155 on 8/27/2009 8:20:13 PM , Rating: 3
No no, the original poster is quite correct :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Carpet_%28video...


RE: I don't know about you guys...
By Ammohunt on 8/28/2009 2:04:21 PM , Rating: 3
Or "Goat Herder" the game "Build your flock, buy, sell, trade or murder your competetion"


RE: I don't know about you guys...
By just4U on 8/28/2009 2:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
Just stay away from the NC17 rated version, Full on frontal sheep nudity and cut scenes showing the herder heading into a tent to do god knows what to the poor things!


By hypocrisyforever on 9/1/2009 1:07:59 PM , Rating: 2
yeah....I think they should stop trying to develop video games and actually get on their game by making a real flying carpet. Just think, then they could all leave that war ridden area.


By choadenstein on 9/1/2009 3:01:40 PM , Rating: 3
I can show you the world
Shining, shimmering, splendid
Tell me, princess, now when did
You last let your heart decide?

I can open your eyes
Take you wonder by wonder
Over, sideways and under
On a magic carpet ride

A whole new world
A new fantastic point of view
No one to tell us no
Or where to go
Or say we're only dreaming

A whole new world
A dazzling place I never knew
But when I'm way up here
It's crystal clear
that now I'm in a whole new world with you

Now I'm in a whole new world with you

Unbelievable sights
Indescribable feeling
Soaring, tumbling, freewheeling
Through an endless diamond sky

A whole new world
Don't you dare close your eyes
A hundred thousand things to see
Hold your breath - it gets better
I'm like a shooting star
I've come so far
I can't go back to where I used to be
A whole new world
Every turn a surprise
With new horizons to pursue
Every moment gets better
I'll chase them anywhere
There's time to spare
Let me share this whole new world with you


Sounds good
By Azsen on 8/27/2009 8:37:39 PM , Rating: 5
I hope the game makes its way worldwide via BT and there's online play. Then I'll play on the U.S. Israeli side and dominate the Iranians in every way possible. Does Iran have access to Battlefield 2? USA vs MEC (Middle Eastern Coalition). Probably similar deal.




RE: Sounds good
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 9/2/2009 12:06:40 AM , Rating: 2
Works for me. Show those rookies how the real FPS players roll.


Keep dreaming
By hadifa on 8/27/2009 8:49:37 PM , Rating: 5
Interesting Article but not enough insight into Iran's gaming situation. I lived there for many years in Iran so I can share a bit.

First, there is LITERALLY no copyright of any sort. You get software and games for say $1 a piece. I would say it's virtually impossible to find an original software. You would never see a boxed software in a store. For example You will never see a licensed windows even[specially ;-)] in government or corporate agencies unless it was pre-installed on hardware.That's why the game developers can't rely on domestic market.

Another issue I see is the level of competency of the software devs over there which is very low. IT university graduates almost know nothing, unless they are enthusiasts. That means I can't imagine a way for them to build their own engine or a high quality software. I have seen many simple software products from there and generally they are poorly designed and badly implemented.

Many many other issues. The only advantage is perhaps cheaper developers (and NO software license requirement over there) . There is almost no way for them to build a high quality game say like Stalker unless they find Alladin's genie ;-). IMHO, they should start with MODs and simple indi games.

All that aside, I would be more than happy to see some nice, high quality game with fresh ideas from that region and wish them luck.




correction
By the goat on 8/28/2009 7:34:59 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The most well known Iranian game likely is "Special Operation 85: Hostage Rescue."


Prince of Persia is much more popular.




By chromal on 8/28/2009 1:54:36 PM , Rating: 2
What sort of PC or gaming console hardware is available within Iran's borders. Given that it is all manufactured elsewhere, and International Sanctions, are the gaming consoles restricted too? I remember a story a few years back about how the PS2, or perhaps it was the PS3, exceed International computing definitions for a supercomputer (presumably with a stategic-computing level of power) and were subject to export/import restrictions...




By alefsin on 8/28/2009 2:46:11 PM , Rating: 2
All modern consoles are available in Iran: maybe there are sanctions stopping selling such products to Iran, but iranian's do not have anything against buying them! So naturally every imaginable piece of computer hardware are widely available in big computer malls in Tehran. PCs are usually assembled locally and prices are actually not bad: they are round 10~20% more expensive for the latest and greatest parts but older parts can be even cheaper than US or EU. Consoles are all chipped and modded and there is no such thing as copyright law: you basically just pay for the media and all of the latest games are in the marked withing a week or two after release.
Having said that, the average income in Iran is much smaller than US or European countries so naturally people are more interested in the last generation consoles or PC parts.


Special Operation 85
By Jellodyne on 8/27/2009 7:39:48 PM , Rating: 1
I heard Steven Spielberg bought the film rights to Special Operation 85.




RE: Special Operation 85
By DotNetGuru on 8/27/2009 7:45:35 PM , Rating: 2
Oh those rascally jews. :-)


Yeah.....
By eldardude on 8/27/2009 7:14:54 PM , Rating: 2
Not going to happen.




I can see it now...
By DotNetGuru on 8/27/2009 7:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
I can see it now...

The Turbo-Turban... $85 Wii accessory that's really just a turban that holds the wii-mote. "Now with realistic duck and cover gameplay. Turbo-turban: duck your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye."




hostage rescue?
By Murloc on 8/28/2009 6:38:31 AM , Rating: 2
the title says: crap game.
It's a monomission game, how could this be a good game?
and it's got crappy graphics.

it's just too publicized, you should link to some REAL iranian game, made to entertain that was actually sold in Iran and not for political reasons.




*Shakes head*
By G2cool on 8/28/2009 10:06:15 AM , Rating: 2
While it's not uncommon to see so many off topic posts and one liners on DailyTech, the prejudices are getting a bit out of control. Let's hope that this is truly a chance for the people of Iran to express themselves and bring innovation to the industry.




By jimbojimbo on 8/28/2009 3:18:37 PM , Rating: 2
You can play for hours a day for years and you'll probably never beat it.




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Already done!!
By HighWing on 9/3/2009 11:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
ok so am I the only one that read this article and noticed that the game they mention sounds very similar to an already popular game in the USA? Counter Strike ring any bells! Honestly if that is one of the games they wanted to market here in the states, all the game reviewers would just write it off as a Counter Strike Clone.

Now I'm probably going to sound like a dumb American by saying this, but isn't most of Iran's history just one long war with it's neighbor's? And is it's Culture really that different from it's neighbor's that it can be easily distinguished? I'm not trying to piss any one off here, but my knowledge of that area of the world is that there are not that many differences between all those countries other then their religion. I understand that they are "different" I am only saying that I don't see any great differences between them.




Interesting
By GeorgeH on 8/27/2009 8:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
I'd have no problem buying a game made Iran. One of the best PC games I've played in the past few years was made next door in Turkey (Taleworlds' Mount&Blade), and I've found that small Indie developers from atypical locations/countries consistently make some of the most interesting and unique games on the market.

Bottom line, they can't possibly be any worse than EA.




RE: Interesting
By Pirks on 8/27/09, Rating: -1
By grath on 8/27/2009 9:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
What? Rambo, ninjas, AND Chuck Norris? Sounds like a kick ass game!

I think that if they can makes games that we would consider "good" in technical and playability terms, the storylines would not necessarily preclude them from being well received by the gaming community, and their subversive nature would likely enhance the appeal to some. It may not "sell" but since when has not buying software stopped anybody from getting that software?

Oh and yeah, death right back at ya asshole


By Rugar on 8/28/2009 9:20:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What? Rambo, ninjas, AND Chuck Norris? Sounds like a kick ass game!


Wait, wait! I've got it! Evil alien warlords abduct the worlds leaders and scatter them throughout the universe hidden inside intergalactic bordellos. Only by working together can Chuck Norris and Rambo gather enough Delta Force Ninjas to rescue our leaders and free the world from alien tyranny.

That would HAVE to be a blockbuster.


By cruisin3style on 8/27/2009 11:08:33 PM , Rating: 3
yeah, i'd just like to say if americans are so stupid how is it that we are in a position of global influence and power?

The middle east and it's indigenous people have been around a lot longer than the united states.

So really, is it the americans who are stupid? Or is it that your ancestors were morons who couldn't maintain power and were overrun by the "infidels" of europe, russia and the americas?

Suck it up


By dani31 on 8/28/2009 4:20:46 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
yeah, i'd just like to say if americans are so stupid how is it that we are in a position of global influence and power?


Because they were the only nation to emerge stronger after ww2, while most european powers destroyed each other.

However, with less and less wars to fight (read: weapons to sell) they are not doing that well anymore. I've even heard something about a crysis (err... crisis).


By sviola on 8/28/2009 8:36:38 AM , Rating: 2
Not to create a fuss about it (and also, I'm british and have plenty of jewish and arab friends), but there is a reason why muslims hate Israel (note that it has nothing to do with the israelians being jews). I knew a person who lived in the region just after the ww2 and the british established the jews in the palestin region, and he told me that palestinian and arabs recieved the jews with open arms and that the issues only started after the jews started kicking people out of their lands and homes to occupy the land. And this person was not biased (he even fell in love with a jew girl, tried to marry her, but her family threatened his life because he was not jew).

And of course, there are the guys that use this hate speech to control the masses (much like american presidents did against communism back in the 50's and some republicans do until today), that would actually use any sort of speech to move their agenda forward, which is not about hatred, and yes about power and control.


By Ammohunt on 8/28/2009 2:29:30 PM , Rating: 3
Islam is the religion of intolerance thats why arab-muslims hate any and all non-muslims nothing more nothing less.


By Shadez on 8/29/2009 8:29:59 AM , Rating: 2
This is not true, what you are saying is absolutely false claims. Islam is the religion of tolerance and peace, any non-muslims are respected and have their full rights as any muslim.


By Ammohunt on 8/29/2009 12:12:41 PM , Rating: 2
I have lived in the middle east and witnessed arab-muslim tolerance first hand sorry but you are dead wrong.


By Shadez on 8/29/2009 1:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
I have also lived there for 30 years, where have you been and for how long?
Also please note I am talking about Islam, if you have faced something other than peace and tolerance its the fault of the doer, not the teaching of the religion.


By bohhad on 8/31/2009 12:33:57 AM , Rating: 3
The peace-loving Muslims should not allow terrorists to defame their religion so. How come a cartoonist draws a cartoon of Muhammed and Muslims are screaming for the artists' head, but suicide bombers are allowed to use Islam as an excuse to kill innocent people and the rest of the muslims don't care?

How about the stoning of Soroya M., where a man stoned his wife and daughter to death, and the townspeople did nothing? That is not the religion of peace.

How about Christians that are kidnapped by Muslims and told convert or die? Is that the religion of peace?


By hashish2020 on 8/28/2009 12:31:45 PM , Rating: 2
"yeah, i'd just like to say if americans are so stupid how is it that we are in a position of global influence and power?"

Because we picked up from Britain's English speaking merchant empire?

Not to mention some of the countries that amassed wealth from imperialism were our allies (France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal...)


By cruisin3style on 8/28/2009 6:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
it was a rhetorical q, for god sakes


By hashish2020 on 8/31/2009 1:30:18 AM , Rating: 2
If a rhetorical question can be answered logically in a way that denies your implied answer, that means all the conclusions you draw afterwards are---verbal sewage to say the least.


By sviola on 8/28/2009 9:03:55 AM , Rating: 2
Man, you need to review your thoughts...

Some muslim extremists adopt the terrorist way of doing things (and notice it is only a small fraction of muslims that do this, after all, there are over 1.2 billion muslims around the world, imagine if all were terrorist as some misinformation spread around the US seems to point out), but the vast majority are peaceful people that share the same religious concepts with jews and chrisitans.

About the killing of innocent people, you should really rethink your notions, as from what I know, bombing a city with your air force also kill lots of innocent people and usually the motiviations are as bad as the religion excuse the extremists use.


By Ammohunt on 8/28/2009 2:34:30 PM , Rating: 2
when was the last time America leveled a city? WWII? last time i checked we have a ridiculous engagement policy that specifically protects civilians(notice i didn't say innocents..guilt by association). Americas enemys are lucky to be fighting Americans since 99% of the worlds armies show no quarter when it comes to civilians.


By chromal on 8/28/2009 2:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
I assume it would be the B-52 bombings of Vietnam in the late 60s, though I assume we might have wiped out a few "terrorist" settlements in Afghanistan post-2001.


By Shadez on 8/29/2009 8:37:09 AM , Rating: 2
Muslims are not enemies of America


By Luticus on 8/28/2009 3:58:18 PM , Rating: 2
I am an American citizen, born and raised. I just want you to know that I 100% agree with you! Not all Americans are stupid brainwashed ignorant people who fall for misinformation. Intolerance and misinformation get us nowhere. I have a lot of close friends that are of the Islam faith and I happened to be closest to the Christian faith, so I know we can get along. As for the article, I would love to play games from Iran. It would be nice to see the creativity of a culture that I know very little about. I only hope that one day those embargos and all this intolerance and hate are lifted so that these games can reach our market. Americans seem to be of the mindset that the constitution only applies to them, but it shouldn't. I believe all people, American or not, have a right to express their ideas and I personally would love to see some from Iran. You know what I'm waiting for.... Iranian punk rock!


By straycat74 on 8/29/2009 9:40:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Americans seem to be of the mindset that the constitution only applies to them

If you refer to the US Constitution, then yes, it only applies to Americans.

quote:
I am an American citizen, born and raised

So were the unibomber, Tim McVeigh, Sean Penn, etc.

quote:
I have a lot of close friends that are of the Islam faith

Do you know any Jews? How do you feel about Israel?


By hashish2020 on 8/31/2009 1:40:21 AM , Rating: 2
"If you refer to the US Constitution, then yes, it only applies to Americans."

Then why does the only reference to citizens in the original constitution speak of citizens of STATES in reference to interstate extradition


By scrapsma54 on 8/29/2009 2:43:58 AM , Rating: 2
My thoughts are just fine. You take it as if I believe that every Muslim is a firm believer in Violent Jihad or just violence itself.
A sane democratic military operating properly under the chain of command would only fire on a mililtarized zone and only if provoked until war is established. Unfortunately for us the cowards don't declare open warfare.
There are civilians and militants whatever side you are on but innocent is a matter of perspective.


Just a joke right?
By mrubermonkey on 8/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: Just a joke right?
By ClownPuncher on 8/27/2009 7:41:31 PM , Rating: 3
Not even close. You're thinking of Cuba.


RE: Just a joke right?
By zaki on 8/27/2009 7:46:13 PM , Rating: 4
islamaphobia at its best..look what the media has convinced you of. you're ready to believe the most ridiculous things...sure they are fully capable of nuclear weapons and eliminate the whole world..but they dont have computers??? think for yourself man


RE: Just a joke right?
By Captain Orgazmo on 8/27/09, Rating: -1
RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 8/27/2009 9:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
Brainwash at its finest. You know nothing about Islam, yet you talk like an expert.


RE: Just a joke right?
By InfantryRocks on 8/28/2009 8:32:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Islam is a wonderful, peaceful religion. Just look at the countries that center themselves around it! Truly they are the pinnacle of human civilization!


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 8/29/2009 8:25:13 AM , Rating: 2
Actually yes, Islam is a wonderful and peaceful religion. And the countries that center themselves around it are the pinnacle of human civilization, but there are non now. All so called Islamic governments now are not really applying Islamic rules; justice, tolerance, freedom of will, continuous development of sciences and humanities, etc...
Its not the problem of Islam, you can check ancient nations who really centered themselves around it. Also you can check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age


RE: Just a joke right?
By InfantryRocks on 8/29/2009 4:34:49 PM , Rating: 2
Spare me the propaganda. I've seen Muslim culture up close and personal. It's the bane of humanity.

How people can exist like that is beyond me, but as long as they keep it to themselves, that's fine. Unfortunately for the civilized world, Muslims infest, demand conversion, and slaughter those opposed.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 8/29/2009 5:15:23 PM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about? I've seen and lived in Muslim culture too, and for 30 years which is probably much more than you did, and I have never seen such things. In fact its a very peaceful and kind-hearted culture, and all the teachings of Islam are about peace and tolerance.

If some extremists actions are giving you this impression, please keep in mind that extremists exist in every culture and every religion on earth.


RE: Just a joke right?
By bohhad on 8/31/2009 12:35:13 AM , Rating: 2
Please, do not try to gloss over that the Muslim religion has a terrible case of the extremists.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 9/1/2009 6:48:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the Muslim religion has a terrible case of the extremists


This is not true.


RE: Just a joke right?
By pxavierperez on 9/2/2009 3:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
This is a joke right? Either you are blind or you share the same rude and obnoxious attitude as most arab muslims. I've lived in Egypt and Saudi. I know quite well about islam enough to say that the oppressive behavior towards women did not stem just from Islam but it's cultural. Islam only further that tradition.

Egypt for being a little culturally open compared to Saudi was probably the worst place of the two. Women get abused on the streets. People of other religions get insulted daily. Why i even saw a riot where a group of "peaceful muslims" abusing a group of Copt Christians.

Jews in Yemen are all evacuating the country because of abuses and discrimination. Face it, Islamic culture is the only last violent culture in this modern era.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 9/3/2009 8:44:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've lived in Egypt and Saudi

Me too :)

quote:
I know quite well about islam enough to say that the oppressive behavior towards women did not stem just from Islam but it's cultural.

This shows you know nothing about Islam, as none of its teachings encourage the oppression of women.

quote:
Women get abused on the streets.

This is not true, could you please give me examples of the so called abuse?

quote:
People of other religions get insulted daily.

Neither is this.

quote:
i even saw a riot where a group of "peaceful muslims" abusing a group of Copt Christians

Where was that riot, and what were the reasons?

quote:
Jews in Yemen are all evacuating the country because of abuses and discrimination.

I don't know about Yemen, but if this happened then its wrong, as the teachings of Islam is against discrimination and abuse. And this is the point I keep on saying; we have to differentiate between the teachings of a Religion and the actions of some of its followers. If a christian abuses anyone else from another religion,does that mean Christianity is bad? Of course it doesn't.

Have a nice day, and may peace be upon all of us.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Captain Orgazmo on 8/29/2009 9:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
Actually no, Islam is a religion based on violence and perversion. Citation: the entire Koran, the Hadiths, and the Sunnah of your sick "prophet" (may he burn in hell, as if there was such a thing), who married a 6 year old girl and raped her at 9, while conquering the Arabian peninsula and forcibly converting or killing all opponents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 8/30/2009 4:23:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
(may he burn in hell, as if there was such a thing)


If you don't believe in Heaven and Hell, then you don't believe in any religion.

Anyway I've read through two of the articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi 'This article is already disputed, as it contains many mistakes'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/ 'Lots of mistakes too, wrong verses of Quran, wrong interpretation for others, and the writer clearly stated he is anti Islam'

Advice: if you want to learn about Islam, you have to gain knowledge from true Muslim sources, not from their enemies sources.

Have a nice day


RE: Just a joke right?
By Captain Orgazmo on 8/31/2009 12:12:56 AM , Rating: 2
I also don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny. But you believe "god" spoke to an Arab paedophile. You are truly too stupid and brainwashed to carry on with.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 9/1/2009 6:53:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are truly too stupid and brainwashed to carry on with

Thank you for your politeness and your civilized way of conversation.


RE: Just a joke right?
By hashish2020 on 8/31/2009 1:27:28 AM , Rating: 2
Different than any Abrahamic religion?

Nope


RE: Just a joke right?
By Captain Orgazmo on 8/29/2009 9:46:19 PM , Rating: 2
I know plenty about Islam, and I have a number is Muslim friends. Why don't you refute what I am saying, rather than attacking me as "brainwashed", when you know nothing about me? You are a typical apologist for Islam, the adherents of which are by far the most violent of any religion on earth at this time. There have been over 13,000 acts of terrorism carried out by Muslims in the past 8 years. I dare you to refute any single part of what I said. Especially the part about Paedophile Warlord.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 8/30/2009 4:33:06 AM , Rating: 2
As I stated before, you know nothing about Islam. Your sources are misleading you, and you have to reconsider your research methodology.

quote:
There have been over 13,000 acts of terrorism carried out by Muslims in the past 8 years


Over 13000 acts of terrorism in the last 8 years?!!!!

Give me a break


RE: Just a joke right?
By Captain Orgazmo on 8/31/2009 12:14:19 AM , Rating: 1
I suppose you think the thousands of people killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world by terrorists, all just choked on their cheerios? If ignorance is bliss, you must be as happy as a pig in shit.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Shadez on 9/1/2009 8:20:26 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I suppose you think the thousands of people killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world by terrorists, all just choked on their cheerios


Iraq and Afghanistan? Nice choice of example, it shows how much you know.

quote:
If ignorance is bliss, you must be as happy as a pig in shit.


I am not sure how a pig feels in shit, but I trust you do.

Again thank you for your politeness and your civilized way of conversation.


RE: Just a joke right?
By sviola on 8/28/2009 8:21:18 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
What the hell has "islamaphobia" got to do with this? Furthermore, the liberal media coined the term, with the strategy of marginalizing critics of the great "religion" of Paedophile Warlord Muhammad. Is it a phobia when the object of said phobia actually wants to kill you? Also, Iran, or any other Islamist state is hardly capable of producing their own nuclear weapons without external aid (i.e. stolen plans, former Soviet scientists, etc.). They are too busy oppressing and brainwashing their own people (specifically women, and non-muslims), and waging proxy wars and funding terrorism against the "Great Satans" of the world.


You forgot to apply the tag <talking out of the arse> to your post...


RE: Just a joke right?
By Captain Orgazmo on 8/29/2009 9:47:22 PM , Rating: 2
Ha ha ha. You forgot to apply the tag "useless" to your post.


RE: Just a joke right?
By RussianTank on 8/28/2009 10:10:57 AM , Rating: 2
Even in Cuba you can have all those things, sheeesh media brainwash at its best. You can have laptops and cellphones in Cuba and Iran, the only problem is that its freakishly expensive.


RE: Just a joke right?
By ClownPuncher on 8/28/2009 2:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
In Cuba, the ruling caste can own those things, but the lower class is not allowed to own computers. At least, this is what a Cuban buddy of mine said. Could be wrong, but I don't know why he would lie.

In Iran, cellphones and stuff aren't even that expensive really. Many people own them. The reality is that the Persian people are fairly progressive as a whole, yet the clerics and Dr. Crazy try to control all media so not that much communication gets in or out.


RE: Just a joke right?
By Ammohunt on 8/28/2009 2:25:50 PM , Rating: 2
You display typical Heterophobia what has the media done to your mind?


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