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And another $17 billion to fiber the whole country

Competition is heating up for Verizon as its massive team of fiber optic technicians hurry to network together states stretching from California to New York. Verizon is competing with companies like Cablevision, Time Warner Cable and others to not only gain market share but also to keep it from losing more customers.

Verizon is currently on a massive project to replace its aging copper lines with new highly durable and ultra-fast fiber lines. Verizon hopes to connect roughly 16 million homes and apartments across the US, with an estimated 3.1 million homes in New York City alone. The cost of such a mammoth project is huge. Verizon says it expects to spend roughly $20 billion by 2010 to complete the new network. With it, Verizon will be able to offer better phone, video, Internet and other IP services.

Companies such as Comcast and Vonage are striking hard in the phone business, taking a chunk of customers away from Verizon virtually on a daily basis. Comcast is also involved in cable TV and other businesses that Verizon is not. However, with the new optical network in place, Verizon is rolling out a new type of TV service called FiOS TV.

With FiOS TV, a digital signal is sent through a fiber optic network rather than traditional copper cable. The optic network provides massive bandwidth and allows Verizon to scale up video quality as the time comes. More HDTV channels, multi-channel audio and better quality are all part of Verizon's game plan.

Verizon is also introducing a dual-tuner DVR with its FiOS TV home service. The DVR allows customers to watch programs from anywhere in the house using streaming video. The DVR will act as a central video hub, streaming video and audio to other client hubs throughout the house. FiOS customers are required to pay $3.95/month per client box and $19.95/month for the DVR hub. DailyTech previously reported that TiVo is also readying its dual-tuner CableCARD DVR. TiVo stated that its Series3 tuners are already in the hands of several major cable networks for testing.

Verizon is also planning to roll out FiOS Internet services on a national scale. Currently, Verizon's FiOS services are available in a limited number of select areas. With newer residential and business developments, Verizon is going in early, hoping to persuade builders to allow it to install fiber lines to each unit. Certain builders however, have prohibited Verizon from installing fiber lines despite their obvious advantages. Verizon also has to compete with AT&T and the family of Bell companies.

As the race for wiring up the nation in fiber heats up, Verizon along with its competitors are hoping that the big short term investments will bring in long term rewards.

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By inthell on 8/15/2006 2:35:24 PM , Rating: 2
this is kind of old news VZ has been rolling Fios out in limited areas around my city already.

RE: old?
By epsilonparadox on 8/15/2006 2:36:35 PM , Rating: 2
Well LIC just gave its approval yesterday.

RE: old?
By Lord 666 on 8/15/2006 9:19:44 PM , Rating: 2
As in LIC, NY? I have a new site going up there soon, that would be great for DMVPN. Any ETA?

RE: old?
By PT2006 on 8/15/2006 9:35:38 PM , Rating: 1

RE: old?
By Lord 666 on 8/16/2006 1:42:11 AM , Rating: 2
This is the most senseless WTF I've seen in a while.

If your not from the NYC area, LIC is short for Long Island City.

DMVPN stands for Dynamic Multipoint Virtual Private Network which could be used as a secondary WAN connection to dedicated T1/FR connections. Because FIOS is using fiber and most office locations have T1s delivered on copper, its a reliable backup method without having to go through a different carrier (in NYC the local loop is almost owned by Verizon anyway)

Using DSL as a secondary WAN method, which in most metro areas uses the same copper trunks and 66 blocks as T1s, is not a prudent backup method.

Did this answer your WTF?

RE: old?
By PT2006 on 8/16/2006 4:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
Hahah I just saw those acronyms and tried adding my own for the sake of humor.

Sweet deal though, I can't wait till they get this in some more areas.

RE: old?
By EarthsDM on 8/15/2006 10:19:59 PM , Rating: 2
You have it? I can't get it yet in NYC. I want it so bad. It's good to hear that it's on its way, though. Until then, *kills inthell and takes his house* There there nice FIOS line, daddy is here.

RE: old?
By melgross on 8/16/2006 1:30:55 AM , Rating: 2
It's going in the Bronx, and Queens. Also Manhattan.

Hell Yeah
By Gigahertz19 on 8/15/2006 2:32:32 PM , Rating: 2
With all the money Verizon makes from cell phone plans they should have more then enough money to do something like this. I just got the Verizon family shareplan 2 months ago and we paid $150 to buy the cell phones, the first month bill was $232 because of activation fees and other crap and after the first month our bill will be around $90 or so and I got the cheapest family shareplan.

Everybody I know has Verizon as their cell phone service. I know they make a killing.

Can't wait until I get their fios internet availability in State College, PA. Tons of other cities in PA has it except State College don't know why, State College is the home of Penn State Unversity Park Campis which is the main campus and they don't have fios availability....better hurry their ass up. I want fiber speeds torrents will fly on that sucker. Dorm speeds are pretty crazy though, last year when I was living in the dorms and not an apartment I would upload at 10 mega bytes a second....I could upload 1 gig in under 2 mins.

RE: Hell Yeah
By brshoemak on 8/15/2006 5:15:33 PM , Rating: 2
Can't wait until I get their fios internet availability in State College, PA. Tons of other cities in PA has it except State College don't know why

I'm in State College, PA also and I can tell you why (at least one version). Verizon has fiber all over the place in State College, PA ; I know because our company works with it on a nearly daily basis as we manage the internet for a variety of locations. Having fiber runs is not an issue.

Verizon has been I..N..C..R..E..D..I..B..L..Y slow to roll out FIOS because of how lucrative T1's are for the variety of businesses and educational buildings around here. You can spend $750+ a month on a full 1.5Mbps T1 or get 15Mbps download and 5Mbps upload for $49.99 a month with FIOS.

It's partly a matter of economics.

RE: Hell Yeah
By Lord 666 on 8/15/2006 9:32:22 PM , Rating: 3
That's assuming domestic businesses are only using for applications that allow latency (60ms+) for web surfing, email, and file sharing.

When domesitc businesses need realtime data services such as voice or video (sub 60ms)using end-to-end QoS, point-to-point T1s or MPLS is the way to go.

However, I would feel more comfortable using FIOS for DMVPN backup than horrible DSL, even if it costs 10x as much.

RE: Hell Yeah
By brshoemak on 8/16/2006 10:53:32 AM , Rating: 3
When domesitc businesses need realtime data services such as voice or video (sub 60ms)using end-to-end QoS, point-to-point T1s or MPLS is the way to go.

well that kind of goes without saying, but quite a few businesses believe (or are sold) T1's or fractional T1's because they believe T1's are what real businesses use without a REAL need for one. A site I work at has a fractional T1 only delivering 512K and they pay out the wazoo for it.

There will always be businesses with needs for T1's, direct ethernet handoffs, QoS etc. but for businesses that only require access to the web and perhaps a small network of remote computers, FIOS is a godsend from a pricing standpoint. From Verizon's standpoint, however, it cannibalizes their more profitable network group. If I was Verizon I would be slow in rolling it out also. (relies on the premise that I am a douche)

[which I'm not] ;)

RE: Hell Yeah
By abochman on 8/16/2006 8:03:06 AM , Rating: 3
Verizon Wireless and Verizion are actually 2 different companies, what VZ wireless gets from their cell phone profits they use to fatten up the wallets of board members, i mean, er, make their service "more reliable".

By Aeros on 8/15/2006 3:40:32 PM , Rating: 2
Is that an introduction price? My lame ass ISP (Charter Cable) charges 19.99 for pathetic 3Mbps/256Kbps for 3 mo then it goes up to 40$. In addition they rape you on the 5Mbps/512Kbps for an affordable 50$/mo at an introdution rate. Note: they block FTP and HTTP ports so they tincy upload speeds they offer doesn't really matter since I can't use it anyway.
Man this FIOS thing makes me ache thinking about how hard my ISP is sticking it to me. Damn!

RE: 29.99$
By s12033722 on 8/15/2006 3:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, that is not an introductory price. I had FIOS in Syracuse, NY, and was exstatic with it. It screams. They didn't tend to regulate the download very tightly, and I measured download rates of 27 Mbps on my 20 Mbps connection. I had to move to Colorado, and man am I ever hoping they get FIOS out here soon!

RE: 29.99$
By Jassi on 8/15/2006 4:12:52 PM , Rating: 1
Any Byte caps or other means of controlling bandwidth use?

RE: 29.99$
By Aeros on 8/15/2006 6:16:25 PM , Rating: 2
No limit. Meh, guess thats something I take for granted. I know peoplpe in Aussie who have to turn off there computer at the end of the month so they don't go over there limit and pay out the ass.

RE: 29.99$
By Bladen on 8/15/2006 8:28:25 PM , Rating: 2
Most companies in Australia that offered that plan of paying per megabyte (at sky high rates) after the limit have reached have now either switched plans, or gone out of business.

Even Telstra, the contries oldest and most stubborn communications company, has gotten rid of those pathetic plans.

However I wait for the day that we get FTTP in Australia, but I won't hold my breath, as I will probably be dead by that day - and I am only 20 now.

RE: 29.99$
By Lothar on 8/16/2006 9:30:32 AM , Rating: 2
Any Byte caps or other means of controlling bandwidth use?

There's no limit.

By epsilonparadox on 8/15/2006 2:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
I have been impatiently waiting for Verizon to come to san antonio. AT&T's u-verse is a piece of crap. For the same money, I can have almost 5x the d/l speed and more than 2x the upload speed w/ FIOS.

RE: Waiting
By masher2 on 8/15/2006 3:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
> "For the same money, I can have almost 5x the d/l speed "

Verizon's 30 Mb/s tier is $180/month in most areas...a far cry from "the same money".

RE: Waiting
By rqle on 8/15/2006 7:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
the pricing here is much better with promotion, and one of their main router is just down the street.

5mps $30/month, first 2 months free
15mps $40/month, first 2 months free

the 30mps is still price at $180 ha, faster upload/download then a high price $450 T1 1.5mps line.

my Voice line is on the same line, and they "promise" its additional bandwidth that wont interfere with the 5mps/2mps FIOS. Also it static IP, that additional cost to ATT and other DSL provider. So am pretty happy.

RE: Waiting
By melgross on 8/16/2006 1:28:47 AM , Rating: 2
$89 in NYC, where available.

RE: Waiting
By toekramp on 8/21/2006 1:11:04 PM , Rating: 2
I pay $54.99 a month for the 30/5 package

What Bell's
By mendocinosummit on 8/15/2006 2:39:22 PM , Rating: 2
I am not sure how many bells are left, but there can not be much. Pac bell (the entire west coast) was bought by Southern Bell and just a few months ago AT&T bought Southern Bell. Who is actually left. Also I really don't care about anything east of the Mississippi River.

RE: What Bell's
By epsilonparadox on 8/15/2006 2:50:00 PM , Rating: 2
AT&T didn't do the buying. AT&T got bought out by SBC. SBC decided to take on the name AT&T because of the recognition it has.

RE: What Bell's
By kamel5547 on 8/15/2006 3:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... SBC (Southwestern Bell) bought PacBell, then bought ATT, changed its name and purchased Bell South to gain control of cingular (which was a 50-50 venture). Verizon, Quest and ATT are the three Baby Bells remaining.

RE: What Bell's
By Sahrin on 8/15/2006 6:29:06 PM , Rating: 3
SBC/ATT is in the process of buying BellSouth (awaiting Regulatory approval) and Cingular was a 60-40 venture, ATT/SBC owned 60%. They bought Bellsouth to gain control of the Southeast market - they now own the last mile in the midwest, west, south and southeast (Qwest in the pacific northwest and Verizon in New England are the only other "last mile" owners, and none of them are even close. The irony is, that in SBC/ATT's own territory is where the Cable operators are strongest (Comcast, Cox, Time Warner) in terms of digital content delivery. *sigh* If only ATT would use its superior technology as an advantage instead of a disadvantage.

I have FiOS... WOW!
By Nightmare225 on 8/15/2006 2:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
I live in Douglastion, NY, where Verizon is having a huge campaign to install FiOS in all the homes. Everyday, you see Verizon trucks going up and down the streets. My house was one of the first outfitted, and let me say it's Amazing.

20 mb/s down and 10 mb/s for $29.95 a month? My old Road Runner had a 4th of the speeds and cost $50 dollars a month O_O. Plus, you get fiber optic phone service, which comes with an integrated UPS that allows you to make calls 8 hours after the power fails, in case it does.

I'm telling you, Verizon certainly has a winner on their hands. I haven't seen such a revolution in home internet and phone service since the advent of DSL!

RE: I have FiOS... WOW!
By kamel5547 on 8/15/2006 3:20:55 PM , Rating: 2
Of course you didnt used ot need the UPS to make phone calls as phone lines provided their own power, now you do.

RE: I have FiOS... WOW!
By rrsurfer1 on 8/15/2006 4:27:53 PM , Rating: 2
What a joke. I think 8 hours is enough. In any case, even IF the power went out and the home phone was unusable, a majority of people have cell phones. The telephone companies only comeback to the new IP-based phones is always the lame "well you'll have no phone if you lose power". Maybe they wouldn't be losing customers now if they had switched to fiber on their networks a LONG time ago. Sit on your asses and watch, eventually you will lose. Good Riddance.

RE: I have FiOS... WOW!
By abochman on 8/16/2006 8:06:22 AM , Rating: 2
My fiance is from douglaston. Man I miss Centre Pizza.

By BornStar on 8/15/2006 3:35:14 PM , Rating: 2
So when are they going to roll out fiber in Metro Detroit?

RE: Michigan?
By Jassi on 8/15/2006 4:11:57 PM , Rating: 2
Aren't the lines in the Metro Detroit area AT&T owned? If so, don't expect FIOS, expect AT&T's watered down FTTN (Fiber to the node) version called LightSpeed (although its supposedly for TV only). And thats IF Michigan law is modified to allow phone companies to start wiring piece by piece.

RE: Michigan?
By jordanclock on 8/15/2006 6:27:20 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, but FTTN is a much better option than the current cable internet services and a much sweeter deal than DSL. So even if it's watered down, it's a much better alternative.

And I know all the fiber in the ground around my area of Metro Detroit is owned by AT&T. My friends and I used to get so excited when we saw "Fiber" spray painted on the sidewalk by our school. We even watched them install some of it. Too bad it's still dark...

What Michigan laws are you referring too? I didn't know about such restrictions, so I'm curious about them so I can explain to my friends why we suffer with our over-priced broadband.

Some more info..
By lwright84 on 8/16/2006 10:07:26 AM , Rating: 2
For those of you who care, I have two friends who now live in Keller, TX one of the first neighborhoods to receive FIOS. It's a relatively small residential community just northwest of Fort Worth here in the DFW metroplex.

Anyway, just using CS as an example since it is the most widely played online non-RPG game, on any given day playing on a Dallas-based public server with around 20 people their latency would fluxuate between 20-30. When the moved to Keller and purchased the 15mbps plan, their latency now remains between 5-10.

I live in Arlington, which is smack dab in the middle of the DFW metroplex, and am waiting on pins and needles until I can upgrade to this great service. Anyone out there have any idea where I can find information regarding when Verizon plans on gracing the rest of the DFW metroplex with FIOS?

RE: Some more info..
By trance183 on 8/17/2006 2:29:42 AM , Rating: 2
well here is something u might find worth saving to Favorites. I found this site by luck, hopefully it is accurate. . Has alot of good info for future FIOS plans.

RE: Some more info..
By Engine of End on 8/17/2006 8:42:39 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for that link! I will be looking forward to FiOS coming to my area.

By Engine of End on 8/15/2006 5:11:49 PM , Rating: 2
It's good to see FiOS is on the move. I'm tired of hearing how everyone in Japan has fiber.

I just hope FiOS comes to North Carolina.

RE: Awesome!
By Daigain on 8/17/2006 11:54:07 AM , Rating: 2
Only about 5.5Million people in japan have FTTH. Which would put it behind both Korea and Sweden in percentage of population having access to FTTH/ETTH.

Also the FiOS speeds are a joke to everyone who ever had FTTH/ETTH in any other country. I mean the speeds about 10Mbit both ways when it was first being offered 10 years ago. The lowest max speed you can get now adays are around 100/10Mbit. And that are at prices around 20-50Dollars a month.

But ofcourse any fiber is better then no fiber.

By drakore on 8/15/2006 2:30:47 PM , Rating: 1
Comcast is also involved in cable TV and other business that Verizon is not.

should be businesses.

RE: typo
By Tuan Nguyen on 8/15/2006 2:32:49 PM , Rating: 1
Fixed. Thanks

RE: typo
By epsilonparadox on 8/15/2006 2:35:51 PM , Rating: 1
Verizon homes to connect roughly 16 million homes and apartments across the US

Should that be hopes ?

By Nocturnal on 8/15/2006 10:37:14 PM , Rating: 2
That's damn awesome although I don't live near or around NYC. I just wish Verizon didn't leave my home state. Also, I used that picture for a report on GigE for my networking class last semester lol.

Waiting for DSL
By Josh7289 on 8/16/2006 12:01:34 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, instead of trying to upgrade some people to fiber, why not give the rest of us DSL? I've been stuck with one-way cable so far...

While on the subject
By proamerica on 8/16/2006 2:01:27 AM , Rating: 2
I just wanted to say that Charter blows. I've had nothing but bad experiences with them... $40 bucks a month and I got a whole 50Kbps download rate... Along with intermittent service, and HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE "tech support". AKA some idiot with a phone in another state who doesn't know jack and doesn't really care.

This kind of corporate investment is impressive on the part of Verizon. I hope that we continue to see companies invest in new technologies to better the infrastructure of the country rather than continue to fleece customers with watered down shitty service running on decades old technology.

tokyos got it
By poohbear on 8/16/2006 5:36:06 AM , Rating: 2
i live in tokyo and i download @ 10mb/s (its a 100mps connection for $60/month). its all fiber optics. so sweet.

By non gay european on 8/24/2006 1:21:05 AM , Rating: 2
seems to me, like we live still 100 years after apes :d (or USA???)
anyway, i pay 700 czech crows (round 25 bucks) and i get 5mbs/1mbs line inclusive cable :D
for instance, i earn like 25k per months (round 1150 bucks)...
renting flat of 3 rooms plus kitchen and bathroom costs 6000 crowns (round 270 bucks)....
yup, and i forgot, u can buy a 1/2 liter (pint) here for nice and frindly 20 crowns (less then a buck?)
:D :D :D

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