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Verizon says it will have an answer to AT&T's iPhone by late summer

Although the iPhone now appears to be AT&T’s ace in the hole, Verizon actually had first dibs on the iPhone, but refused. Reports back in January said that Apple approached Verizon with the iPhone, but the carrier turned it down because it felt that Apple’s terms for exclusivity were unreasonable.

“We said no [to the iPhone offer]. We have nothing bad to say about the Apple iPhone. We just couldn't reach a deal that was mutually beneficial,” said Verizon Wireless vice president Jim Gerace.

Verizon, however, appears to have no regrets on passing up the iPhone, and even believes that the exclusivity of the phone won’t do much to help AT&T. Instead, Verizon believes that it has a superior network and cellular technology.

“The issue is not the Apple-ness of the iPhone itself, but with the cellular network that it is running on,” said Denny Strigl, Verizon’s chief operating officer, insinuating that AT&T’s network is sub-par. “That will be the true test of the iPhone: What will the iPhone experience be?”

Verizon isn’t going to simply play the waiting game while AT&T flashes its iPhone product on every advertising medium available. Although the carrier won’t be getting any Apple products in the near future, Strigl confirmed with USA Today that Verizon is already working with an unnamed manufacturer on a phone that will directly compete against the iPhone.

“We do have a very good response in the mill,” the Verizon COO said. “You'll see that from us in the late summer.”

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iPhone can be used as a phone?
By BMFPitt on 5/23/2007 1:11:14 PM , Rating: 5
Verizon seems to have miscalculated the target market here. They are touting their network superiority, which implies they believe the iPhone will be used to make phone calls. Does anyone know if it will have that capability?

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By mezrah on 5/23/2007 1:14:54 PM , Rating: 1
If your being sarcastic, sarcasm noted.

If you are being serious, there is clearly a button labled "phone" if you look at the picture

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By jmunjr on 5/23/2007 8:50:39 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see any buttons on that iphone, just some icons on a screen. I like to FEEL the buttons on my phone. This will hurt the iPhone as a phone imo..

By Adahiyast on 5/23/2007 10:39:42 PM , Rating: 2
Won't see any blind people using it. They can't feel where the buttons are on a normal phone.

Wonder if that's grounds for them to sue? They sue if there screen readers screw up and websites aren't accessible for them. There was an incident involving the Sydney 2000 website along those lines.

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By Devo2007 on 5/23/2007 1:16:36 PM , Rating: 5
Nope....that little green icon on the bottom left of the touch-screen pops up a box that says "Sorry, but in rushing iPhone to market, we forgot to include the phone function." :)

Granted, people who just want a cell phone to make calls will not be purchasing an iPhone - that definitely isn't the target market for this device.

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By dagamer34 on 5/23/2007 1:20:19 PM , Rating: 3
if the iPhone sucks at making phone calls or surfs the web too slow, then you'll be stuck with a glorified iPod that you'll end up paying thousands in data fees by the time your REQUIRED 2-year contract is up.

If I were Verizon, I'd pass it up too. Such a limited market for a device that isn't going to reach even 5% penetration of what the iPod has done, there are just better uses of your time.

Economy of scaling says that the iPhone should get cheaper as time passes, but we all know that Apple prefers to introduce new features rather than lower the price and reduce margins to increase profits. Verizon made a smart move. The iPhone WON'T get cheaper over time.

Oh, and for people that forget, the iPod didn't become truly popular until after 5 revisions and 2 price drops to reach $249. $500 is EXPENISVE!

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By Oregonian2 on 5/23/2007 1:34:14 PM , Rating: 1
f the iPhone sucks at making phone calls or surfs the web too slow, then you'll be stuck with a glorified iPod that you'll end up paying thousands in data fees by the time your REQUIRED 2-year contract is up.

Don't think it'll be a glorified iPod. The similarly sized video iPods have an 80Gb disk, I don't recall the iPhone having that. Does it? Etc.

By slacker57 on 5/24/2007 1:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're proving his point for him. Buy an 80GB ipod and a regular phone for less. Is it that hard having 2 palm-sized devices anymore? He's not just talking about form factor.

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By psychobriggsy on 5/23/2007 2:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
Well, Apple has had to put a lot of effort into creating PDA and networking applications for the iPhone which the iPod didn't have - luckily for them that meant connecting their existing libraries to a new interface rather than starting from scratch, and recompiling for ARM, so it wouldn't have been that hard. So you will have a mobile web tablet / iPod / PDA even if you didn't use the phone features (which would be rather silly, IMO).

The only difference the iPhone will have over competitors is anything in the interface or mode of operation that Apple has patented. There's quite a few patents of Apple's incorporated, so if they include much needed functionality then the iPhone will be desirable regardless of competition. Also important is the ease of development of new features for Apple, new features are always nice. Here's hoping they at least allow third party development even if the resulting apps are only accessible via iTunes.

Remember Apple's in this to make money, not to take over the market. They'll be happy with 10 million sales a year in a couple of years, if they're getting $500 per sale ($300 hardware, $200 network kickback). It'd be nice if the 4GB/8GB turned into 8GB/16GB though, the iPod functionality will be restricted otherwise.

By Locutus465 on 5/23/2007 11:48:05 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah... I sitll don't get how the iPhone is going to be better than even my i730... UI on the i730 works very well (Windows Mobile 5.0). Being a PocketPC there is a large library of 3rd party apps ready and waiting for me, and so far as I know there isn't anything the iPhone does that my phone doesn't do. And I got mine for $100 :)

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By alexsch8 on 5/23/2007 2:16:29 PM , Rating: 3
Considering it only supports the Edge network and not 3G, expect to get a dial-up Internet experience. If I was to spend that much money on a phone, I'd want it to at least be able to do 3G. There are several phones out there already doing 3G, I really don't understand why they wouldn't have that in the iPhone.

By Locutus465 on 5/23/2007 11:49:40 PM , Rating: 2
3G makes a huge difference. Just upgraded from a Samsung i700 to an i730. I used to never go near my 10MB/month gap. Now I have to turn on the wi-fi every oppertunity I have to make sure I don't bust limits.

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By msheredy on 5/23/2007 2:32:24 PM , Rating: 2
Such a limited market for a device...

If you call the market for smart phones small then you are right.

... that isn't going to reach even 5% penetration of what the iPod has done, there are just better uses of your time.

This isn't and iPod nor is it intended to compete with MP3 player market share. If the network that AT&T is good then this phone will be a breath of fresh air to the smart phone market. Apple's products just simply work... easily. I just wished that Verizon didn't pass the oportunity. I really don't like Cingular/AT&T.

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By kalgriffen on 5/23/2007 2:47:21 PM , Rating: 2
Considering that Cingular's unlimited data plan costs $19.99/month, you would only pay $479.76 for a two year contract. Please don't exaggerate amounts when making a point.

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By Faust0 on 5/23/2007 9:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
you forgot to factor in the required 59.99 voice plan which brings it the amount to just under two large. nice use of the words 'considering' and 'only'.

By kalgriffen on 5/23/2007 9:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
I did not forget to factor a voice plan in. My reply was specific to this statement "you'll end up paying thousands in data fees..."

RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By Fubar0606 on 5/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: iPhone can be used as a phone?
By redbone75 on 5/23/2007 3:53:51 PM , Rating: 3
Wow. That just went right over your head, now didn't it?

By bldckstark on 5/24/2007 11:40:35 AM , Rating: 2
Geez, how did he even find his way to this forum? Must have been the home screen on someone else's computer?

Exclusivity, or refusal to lockout features?
By mcturkey on 5/23/2007 1:19:42 PM , Rating: 4
I wonder if this really is about Apple refusing to lockout features of the phone in order to secure Get It Now functionality as being required to do any media functions. Verizon loves to lock out features of phones with their (often easily circumvented) firmware. People often think that you need a high-end fancy phone to play MP3s and videos, but my 2-year-old Motorola E815 does it just fine (though the standard firmware doesn't allow it).

Aside from the interface, the iPhone is nothing new. While a lot of people will no doubt buy it, and some will even switch to AT&T just to get it, I'll stay with Verizon. In many parts of the country that I travel to when visiting family and friends, AT&T's coverage is not sufficient, and my job requires me to be reachable.

At $500, I'd rather spend a little more to have a laptop w/ cellular card and a simpler, cheaper phone like the E815. But then, I'm not the target demographic, either.

By Master Kenobi on 5/23/2007 1:42:53 PM , Rating: 2
I have an E815 myself. What is this magic firmware you speak of?

By CKDragon on 5/23/2007 1:54:23 PM , Rating: 4
I've also had the E815 unlocked firmware since April 2006. You can either follow one of the dozens of tutorials or research everything at, that's what I did.

Go wild. :)

By noirsoft on 5/23/2007 2:15:10 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if this really is about Apple refusing to lockout features of the phone in order to secure Get It Now functionality as being required to do any media functions

None of the Windows Mobile phones offered through Verizon have this type of lockout, so I would doubt that that was the reason. Yes, you can argue that Microsoft > Verizon > Apple in terms of clout in this area, but I, without any specific knowledge, would think it had more to do with pricing than with tech features.

There already is a competitor...
By corduroygt on 5/23/2007 6:18:56 PM , Rating: 2
that can do everything the iPhone do and more, it's called Nokia N95.

By cheetah2k on 5/23/2007 10:46:39 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed, and its a sweet phone.

By Treckin on 5/23/2007 5:49:45 PM , Rating: 2
well, I think apple really should have left this one in their bag of fruity tricks until they could make it a 30gb ipod video+phone. No one that I know uses any of those silly features on their smart phones anyhow, basically just the phone, internet, calculator, and MAYBE the scheduler. I'm not inclined to carry around my IPhone and Ipod video. Thats like 1000 dollars worth of Icrap in my pockets. If apple could split my investment, so that the top of the line Ipod was 500 bucks, and it was 650 for the Iphone, it would be viable. other than that, Igo..... Igo to the Sprint store....

By SilthDraeth on 5/24/2007 5:02:14 PM , Rating: 2
That looks a lot like the iphone only sexier, and with 5mp camera, and windows mobile 6?

remind me again...
By zornundo on 5/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: remind me again...
By Treckin on 5/23/2007 5:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
can we get a 6 here please?

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