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Verizon says website is "explicitly blocked"

Many people will agree that consumers should have unfettered access to the internet via wireless and landline connections. There have been instances where access to specific websites and specific types of traffic have been filtered or outright blocked by ISPs and wireless carriers. In July 2009, AT&T Wireless blocked access to the 4chan message boards.

The 4chan site is a message board that reportedly has as many as 200,000 messages posted each day. 

The issue with the site and wireless carriers stems from the site being used to launch different types of internet attacks ranging from mere pranks to more serious network attacks. The 4chan.org website is reporting that it is being blocked by Verizon Wireless. The site posted a statement to its front page that read, "Over the past 72 hours, we've been receiving reports from Verizon Wireless customers having difficulty accessing the image boards."

4chan went on to claim that only traffic on port 80 was being blocked leading it to believe that the site had been intentionally blocked and that some sort of problem was not causing Verizon Wireless users to not be able to access the site. A 4chan administrator going by "moot" wrote that Verizon had been contacted and a Verizon representative said, "You'll need the customer to call to request it be unblocked."

The same user "moot" reported yesterday that after contacting the Verizon Network Repair Bureau the response received was that the site had been explicitly blocked. It's hard to say whether this is a good or a bad thing. If the site is a rally point for attacks online, some might argue that cutting the site off is a good thing. However, once you start down the slope of censoring and blocking content that some deem objectionable, those that use the same site for legitimate reasons are sure to be angered.



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4chan may be a cesspool
By BigToque on 2/8/2010 11:16:37 AM , Rating: 5
4chan may be a cesspool on the internet, but that's no reason to block the site.




RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By Xenoterranos on 2/8/2010 11:27:23 AM , Rating: 3
4chan is the cesspool of the internet. But like you said, no reason to block it. /prog is almost entirely 'safe', and occasionally provides useful information!

Also, hasn't 4chan been blocked before? Or was that by ATT?


RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By Yawgm0th on 2/8/2010 12:02:33 PM , Rating: 3
/b/ is the cesspool of the Internet. 4chan as a whole is just the outhouse.


RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By LRonaldHubbs on 2/8/10, Rating: 0
RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By heffeque on 2/8/2010 3:03:33 PM , Rating: 4
So... Verizon... there's a map for that too?


RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By omnicronx on 2/8/10, Rating: -1
RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By BigToque on 2/8/2010 1:10:39 PM , Rating: 5
Well that would be an unfortunate situation, but I'm not gonna suggest that 4chan be censored because a) my kid is a dumbass and b) I'm a dumbass for not knowing where my property is and what's being done with it.

We all know kids are trouble. We all know that they're gonna look at porn of all kinds, get a virus, download warez and get offered to meet a creep.

Fortunately, kids have these these terrible things called parents that never let them do anything fun and can beat their dumbasses when they do something really stupid. It's in the job description.


RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By omnicronx on 2/8/10, Rating: 0
RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By namechamps on 2/8/2010 3:21:39 PM , Rating: 5
If from a business perspective they feel that the site could do more harm to their users than good, they have every right to block it.

This is exactly why we net neutrality.

If VZ felt that "scary parts" of the internet should be blocked why not offer an optional service to block content based on a bunch of different criteria.

As long as it was optional I would have a no problem with it.

Hell verizon could even charge for it. Imagine the upsell. Parent on family plan could restrict their children from seeing porn, hate sites, gambling, etc.

win-win for the consumer & VZ.

When VZ starts deciding it knows better than me what I should be " allowed " to access that is when govt needs to rip the ISP a new one.


RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By mindless1 on 2/8/2010 8:34:42 PM , Rating: 2
You're trying to argue away secret censorship which is an intolerable practice.

If they want to notify their customers that soon they will block 4chan, and give customers the option to cease their subscription to the ISP w/o penalty, then although I don't like censorship in general, I agree that they they might do it.

However, it is entirely inappropriate to compare to child porn. Until the specific content, the viewing of it, is made illegal it is totally inappropriate to censor it.

Verizon should not censor something merely because a certain % of society doesn't want the rest of society to have access. Personally I think society shouldn't have access to doughnuts but do you see those banned?

If you complain to your carrier because of some 'site your child was able to access and that site is not breaking the law, you're acting retarded and trying to shift blame from yourself for not talking to and monitoring your child's activities.

Carriers do have a lot to lose - customers if they don't stop censoring and denying access. Just because some illegal activity might result is no excuse.

Shoplifting is illegal, so we could say that because Walmart exists there is illegal activity, so do we then ban people from going to walmart because "somebody" has done something illegal there?

If Verizon were my ISP I'd drop them in an instant, it is my choice where to go on the internet and I will not give up that freedom!


RE: 4chan may be a cesspool
By wrekd on 2/9/2010 12:24:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'm only replying because I accidentally voted you up when I wanted to vote you down. Censorship is bad 'n stuff.


mootblox
By Icehearted on 2/8/2010 11:05:17 AM , Rating: 2
Site's gotten way out of hand anyway. Lots of spambots, people downloading viruses, mods perma-banning anyone for even casually mentioning some kind of offensive site (I'm not sure it's even safe to post youtube links anymore).

4chan's got all sorts of problems right now. Maybe Verizon has done their customers a favor? I couldn't say, but I am very much against censorship, so to me this was a really inappropriate move.




RE: mootblox
By Yawgm0th on 2/8/2010 12:07:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Site's gotten way out of hand anyway. Lots of spambots, people downloading viruses, mods perma-banning anyone for even casually mentioning some kind of offensive site (I'm not sure it's even safe to post youtube links anymore).
Also, child porn. Oh, and child porn. That and child porn.

4Chan has one problem. Everything else is just an annoyance.

I don't think it should be censored or blocked by any ISP, but the FBI probably should have made Moot come up with a better way to control content or shut the site down years ago. Imageboards in general have been way out of hand for a long time, but 4chan is the biggest offender.


RE: mootblox
By Earthmonger on 2/8/2010 12:26:40 PM , Rating: 2
If Verizon is intentionally 4chan, good. The one and only time that I visited that site, child pornography was very much "in your face". I judge the whole of 4chan by that one visit. Any, is too much.


RE: mootblox
By Icehearted on 2/8/2010 1:04:29 PM , Rating: 2
I've been pretty lucky and haven't stumbled into that garbage. My understanding is that mods are pretty fast on the trigger when CP is posted. I guess it depends on which parts of the board you visit most.


RE: mootblox
By Yawgm0th on 2/8/2010 4:36:36 PM , Rating: 1
/b/, the "random" board, needs to be renamed CP central. If you so much as click on /b/ and don't see child porn or a CP thread of some kind, it is a fortunate day. And of course /b/tards are going to troll other boards, so it's not restricted to /b/. The mods are anything but fast about keeping /b/ clean.

The point is that /b/ exists largely for the purpose of distributing child porn. It's an integral part of Moot's business. It's not like it's some sort of computer science-y secret. It's a well known, highly popular US-based web-site on which child porn can be reliably and constantly found.

That's the problem with 4Chan. But it should be the FBI's problem, not the ISPs. Truthfully, despite my whining, there's no good solution that doesn't violate the integrity of an open, free Internet.


RE: mootblox
By cmdrdredd on 2/8/2010 5:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
The only thing on /b/ that I even found amusing is when there's a pic you can't quite see and clicking on it gives a fake warning that you're being watched for trying to look at illegal content. It's imbedded in the gif to animate to the next pic which is the fake warning. Seeing some people panic is kind of humerous, but generally the whole site is garbage.


RE: mootblox
By akse on 2/9/2010 12:47:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
4chan's got all sorts of problems right now. Maybe Verizon has done their customers a favor? I couldn't say, but I am very much against censorship, so to me this was a really inappropriate move.


There might be problems, but hey there are problems in many sites in the internet and thats no reason to block the sites. If a user is offended by a site he can make a decision to not enter it.

I can't really see how many % of average verizon users even knows about 4chan or visit it? Probably not many that are over 25 years old. Well I'm sure this got their attention. If you block or censor something, people try to find a way to see/get it even more.


4han
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/8/2010 10:46:29 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Verizon Wireless Blocks 4chan


And the web is now a tiny bit safer ;-)




RE: 4han
By bhieb on 2/8/2010 11:15:58 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, and with regards to.

quote:
However, once you start down the slope of censoring and blocking content that some deem objectionable, those that use the same site for legitimate reasons are sure to be angered.


On a home PC I can install web filters and such to keep less educated users from going to "bad" sites. On a phone however I do need to rely on the carrier for such protection.

Don't censor me at my home ISP sure, but on my phone I have no other filtering options other than what my carrier provides. Now I do think they should allow the user to modify these blocks if they choose to assume the risk.


RE: 4han
By GaryJohnson on 2/8/2010 1:07:41 PM , Rating: 2
What the heck are you talking about?

Every decent smartphone browser has built in filtering or a filtering add-on.


RE: 4han
By omnicronx on 2/8/2010 3:05:38 PM , Rating: 2
Don't kid yourself, BB doesnt do it, Apple doesnt do it WinMo doesnt do it and neither does Palm. There are a few third party add block solutions, but they are not very good and they are certainly not built in.


RE: 4han
By omnicronx on 2/8/2010 12:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I don't really see how you can call a company blocking a site like this as a slippery slope either. Shaping traffic to stop the need to have to upgrade your network or blocking explicit content/content you don't agree with is one thing, but if Verizon for whatever reason feels that the site is an actually security risk, they should have the right to block it. i.e I don't think you can really consider this censorship (if the story is even true)

That being said this still seems premature, for all we know it could have been blocked because of a particular user in a particular area, and could very well be temporary.


my results say otherwise
By the goat on 2/8/2010 10:46:29 AM , Rating: 2
I just tried it and I was able to access 4chan no problem on my droid over verizon's network (not wifi). I'm not saying it wasn't blocked before. But right now it is open.




RE: my results say otherwise
By v1001 on 2/8/2010 11:17:44 AM , Rating: 2
I just went and it's blocked for me. Did you get on the image site? Because if you read it takes you to a blog if you are blocked from the image site part of it.

I don't go there but verizon pisses me off. They throttle the hell out of my connection all the time. Especially any site with lots of images. Some I have to surf carefully not clicking to much to fast or I either basically get cut off or throttled down to almost 0. And I'm not talking porn sites or anything. Stuff like Realtor.com or deviantART. And it's not the site it's the connection. I've tested it over and over. You might be good for very casual surfing so most people wont notice or get caught by it. I have to keep wireless though for work and staying mobile and use it a lot. (I have one of those mifi's). And it's extremely frustrating and annoying. Makes doing work all day very tough on verizon wireless.


RE: my results say otherwise
By mcnabney on 2/8/2010 12:00:48 PM , Rating: 2
It might be a localization issue. If you have 20 neighbors streaming videos it is absolutely going to impact your speed. There is only so many mhz of capacity. Verizon has tons of it, but there are actually caps in place for the amount of spectrum a company can control in a single market. Blame Congress for that.


Legitimate?
By inighthawki on 2/8/2010 11:24:30 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
those that use the same site for legitimate reasons are sure to be angered.


Can someone explain to me what a "legitimate reason" for 4chan is these days?




RE: Legitimate?
By Lonyo on 2/8/2010 11:30:56 AM , Rating: 2
Sharing wallpapers.
About the only thing I can think of.


Sup /b/
By thekdub on 2/8/2010 4:29:20 PM , Rating: 2
Anon will not forgive.




RE: Sup /b/
By TheEinstein on 2/9/2010 7:54:26 AM , Rating: 2
Anon already surrendered to the Church of Scientology.

Given a chance to make themselves united with others, or go alone, Anon went alone, and put their guns in the face of anyone who wanted to get other groups in on the protests.

I could have gotten tens of thousands more involved, if Anon was not so childish.


Moot
By Yawgm0th on 2/8/10, Rating: 0
RE: Moot
By PhatoseAlpha on 2/8/2010 6:21:53 PM , Rating: 2
And time's most influential person of the year 2009. Seriously.

I mean, really. This is not a secret.

At any rate, People v. Larry Flynt. Stand by and claim some kind of moral righteousness for censorship, and sooner or later they'll be coming for your little indulgences.


censorship
By Uncle on 2/8/2010 3:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
I for one don't believe in censorship. Its a slippery slope to start on. Its a self feeding monster that can't be stopped once it starts. The cliche "whats good for him is good for me." plays over and over again. Before you know it we will be living the 1930's of Europe all over again. Read your History books. Look whats happening in Italy, the government wants to censor the internet.




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