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There's more than meets the eye in the case of Verizon v. Time Warner

Shortly after publishing Verizon Sues Time Warner Cable for False Advertising, I was contacted by Thomas Ciesielka of TCPR, who relayed me some interesting thoughts on the matter from one of his clients:

“Burden is very heavy on false advertising claimants.  They [Verizon] need[s] to prove not only that the claim was false but then have to provide survey data (an expensive proposition) showing that consumers were actually confused and that it affected their buying decisions.  I would say that it is unlikely that this is a serious lawsuit and more a public relations gambit.  Unless the advertising is clearly false and highly damaging to Verizon's business such that it would not be able to obtain satisfactory money damages the prospects of a preliminary injunction or TRO are unlikely.”

This quote comes to me from Stewart Weltman of the Weltman Law Firm, who runs the Lean and Mean Litigation Blog and has extensive experience in business litigation matters, including cases of antitrust, accounting and legal malpractice, fraud, and patent issues, among other things.

Mr. Weltman’s quote made me think about Verizon’s suit, specifically on whether or not Time Warner’s spots were sufficiently misleading: it’s important to keep in mind that Time Warner never makes any actual statements of fact, and in fact its advertising message – that Verizon FiOS requires satellite service for TV, and that Time Warner predates Verizon in fiber optics usage – is delivered through a series of clever insinuations.

Take notice, for example, to the fact that the homeowner asks if he needs satellite service for FiOS TV, rather than the salesman admitting it in a statement. Afterwards, the salesman is silent – his expression and manner changes to one of defeat and he quickly leaves the scene. Put yourself in the shoe of average Joe Consumer: given the manner of the two actors’ interactions, would you find yourself convinced of Time Warner’s insinuated claims?

I certainly would have. In fact, had I not had a background and upbringing in telecommunications, and had I not researched the specifics of FiOS long before the aforementioned article, then I would have been convinced as a technology geek – let alone as an average consumer. If my own sense of empathy is as reliable as I like to think that it is, then it would seem clear that Verizon would have no trouble meeting this high burden of proof.

Further complicating Verizon’s case is the fact that the things that Time Warner says are, in some interpretations, somewhat true: as I stated in the original article, Verizon’s fiber optic network runs “to the curb” – i.e. your home – whereas the technology is only used in Time Warner’s backend, as it is with pretty much every telecom in existence; Time Warner’s spot leaves this little bit of information out. Additionally, Verizon does indeed partner with DirecTV – but only in a handful of markets, like Manhattan, where it cannot otherwise provide TV service due to legal, regulatory, or technical hurdles.

After speaking with Mr. Weltman, however, it’s clear to me that Verizon’s case isn’t so cut and dry: simply insinuating claims that may be false isn’t enough, he says. The Lanham Act, which Verizon chose to file the case under, “creates a very heavy burden on false advertising claimants.”

Verizon would have to prove that a “measurable portion” of viewers would have interpreted Time Warner’s ad as misleading, requiring “expensive survey studies, all of which will, of course, be countered by Time Warner’s competing surveys.”

If Verizon can convince the fact finders that Time Warner’s statements are literally false – statements that are complicated by the fact that some areas do indeed require satellite service for TV – then the case proceeds, says Weltman, down an endless spiral of costs and studies: once Verizon’s proved Time Warner’s falsehoods, it then has to prove that the statements indeed confused consumers specifically about FiOS – all without the service not being mentioned in the ad itself. “Granted, the ad goes right to the edge, but even when one reads Verizon's explication of how this ad is deceptive it requires too many steps to arrive at the conclusion that the ad must be referring to FiOS.  In short, it is just too elaborate.”

To summarize: unless Verizon is prepared for a lengthy, costly legal battle, it’s likely that we’ll see this lawsuit settle quickly with a handful of corrective ads run by one or both parties. Therefore, it’s likely that Verizon filed the suit as a PR stunt to grab headlines and attention, as opposed to receiving any kind of equitable remedy.

“If I had to choose a winner here, I would say it would be Time Warner,” says Weltman. “If Verizon is smart, it will launch corrective ads that make it clear that FiOS does not require a dish.” Of course, such an ad would “eat away” at Verizon’s argument – but on the flipside it could bring the quick end that Verizon might be looking for.



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hmm
By SandmanWN on 4/15/2008 11:51:16 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like this lawyer is affiliated with Time Warner? Maybe we should look into this law firms connections with Time Warner and verify his impartiality.

It seems very odd that a lawyer would make this sudden leap to reach out to a large tech community like DT just shortly after the lawsuit comes down from Verizon and that lawyer would so overwhelming back Time Warner. Especially after we all watched the video here and clearly recognized it for the cheap shot at Verizon that it was and all its glorifying inaccuracies.




RE: hmm
By Yocal on 4/15/2008 6:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
Care to clarify on where the "glorifying inaccuracies" are? Time Warner, just like COMCAST and most other cable Co. are an HFC network, "Hybrid FIBER Coax". The main difference being the node is now on the side of your house instead of the pole. In most areas, due to FCC licensing, Fios only supports HSI and Telephony. So in order to get a three product bundle you need a dish. So wheres the inaccuracies?


RE: hmm
By SandmanWN on 4/17/2008 12:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
Uhm do you have a clue in the slightest? Fios supports HDTV, Internet, and Telephone. The other inaccuracy was the satellite comment. Did you actually watch the video?


RE: hmm
By Yocal on 4/17/2008 12:55:45 PM , Rating: 2
I do have a clue thanks for asking. I did also watch the video. In some Fios areas they are only licensed for INTERNET AND PHONE. In those markets you need a dish if you want TV, hence the dish comment. So now the question must be asked, do you have a clue in the slightest? So aside from the dish comment your stuck on, what other inaccuracies are there?


RE: hmm
By SandmanWN on 4/17/2008 1:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
You are under the assumption that the same isn't true for TW. But I guess its ok for TW to negate that and assume the problem doesn't exist for them. I like the disclaimer you added btw, only "licensed", which in no short order means they are perfectly capable of delivering TV but the local government has issues.

And when is the last time you've seen a door-to-door ISP salesman in a neighborhood? What sort of BS is that! I've been in the industry for a long time and I don't know anyone that employs door-to-door salesmen outside of the commercial arena.

I like the crappy overture of, "they've been using fiber for over a decade." Using fiber on the backbone and selling fiber to the public is apples and oranges. Everyone's had fiber for over a decade. But I suppose its ok by you for TW to confuse the issue and assume having fiber optics and selling fiber optics is somehow equal.

Common everyone lets all run down to TW and ask for our fiber optic line. They've had it for a decade now haven't they?!?! Should be no problem for them to install that at my house tomorrow right?


RE: hmm
By Yocal on 4/17/2008 5:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
Well Im sure the same isnt true for TW as they would already have that lic. Whens the last time you saw a cable co. installing a dish? Verizon does in fact use door to door sales people, and so did Comcast. The door to door guys have hit up a few people I know of. Im so sick of hearing this fiber to the house crap, I live in the northeast and there are so many areas where it cant be and never will be provided, so lets go call verizon which sells fiber to the house and see if we can get it. Should be no problem for them to install it at my house tomorrow right? I like how you put it as "selling fiber to the public" Its the same friggin thing, it all hooks up to the crappy coax and splitters inside your house anyways. Im all set with Fios, explain to me the benefits of it?


RE: hmm
By SandmanWN on 4/17/2008 11:26:24 PM , Rating: 2
you make no sense. if they are in your area they'll be happy to put fiber in your home. thats all they use now.

its only coax for your tv as thats the standard connection for set top boxes and television sets. its fiber for internet and a data split for phone.

the benefit is future proofing, less hops to a backbone, and no conversion jumps which gives you a slight edge in latency.

what bs are you selling? your buddy got a door-to-door guy... pff, please... A buddy of mine got a door-to-door salesman for the space cadet squad, maybe you should join up. they dont do door-to-door sales outside of designated commercial property areas.


Technical References
By InternetGeek on 4/15/2008 1:39:22 AM , Rating: 2
Can someone point me to some technical articles describing the technologies involved? I'd like to understand what is going on.




Finally!
By maven81 on 4/17/2008 1:48:02 PM , Rating: 2
I never thought I'd be rooting for Verizon (themselves a blood sucking company that charges enormous fees!), but those Time Warner ads annoy the hell out of me, and I'm a Time Warner customer!

"we've been using fiberoptics for years, welcome to the program"

Riiiiight.... when you offer a fiber optic connection straight to my house then you can gloat, right now this is a pathetic attempt to cover themselves. Let's not even mention the fact that the quality of their signal here in Queens, NY is abysmal! Sometimes the sound drops out completely, sometimes I see dropped frames, and the compression on non HD channels makes mpeg 1 look pristine... Horrible!




more than meets the eye...
By Fenixgoon on 4/15/2008 7:51:04 AM , Rating: 1
transformers?




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