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Kiddie porn agreement will delete large portions of Usernet from ISPs' servers

Per a recent child-porn blocking agreement with the New York Attorney General’s Office, Verizon announced Thursday that it will block subscriber access to a large number of decades-old Usenet structures, including the entire alt.* hierarchy.

According to a CNET report, Verizon subscribers will lose access to all newsgroups that don’t fall under the “Big 8” family of officially-sanctioned Usenet hierarchies, including important-but-unofficial newsgroups such as microsoft.windows, us.military, and symantec.customerservice.general.

The “Big 8” hierarchies include comp.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*, and humanities.*. alt.*, short for “alternative,” was created in rebellion of its more orderly counterparts.

The agreement to block such a large swathe of Usenet – one of the internet’s oldest applications, predating popular adoption of the World Wide Web by over a decade – comes not from the command of law, but “arm-twisting” from an undercover investigation headed by New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, which found over 11,000 images of child pornography being circulated among 88 different newsgroups. Announcements last week revealed an agreement between the state of New York and Verizon – as well as fellow ISPs Sprint and Time Warner Cable – to block the offending newsgroups after the Cuomo threatened the three with a costly legal campaign.

“The pervasiveness of child pornography on the Internet is horrific and it needs to be stopped,” said Cuomo in a press release last week.

As a result of the agreement, a recent Sprint announcement revealed that it will also block the alt.* hierarchy – though it will leave other, non-Big 8 hierarchies intact – and Time Warner announced that it will be dropping Usenet entirely. With Usenet usage eclipsed by the popularity of WWW mailing lists, message boards, and services like Yahoo! Answers, most subscribers won’t even notice; a handful of other ISPs, including AOL, have already dropped the service to a minimal fuss.

Usenet’s backers, however, remain critical of the decision. One of Usenet’s biggest strengths, they say, is the medium’s decentralized nature. Unlike internet message boards, mailing lists, and centralized services, Usenet discussions are carried via a mesh network with a weak – if present – central authority. The resulting freedom – which works both ways, as some groups contain spam while others contain spirited discussion – allowed the medium to flourish and survive in a way that other pre-Web structures (such as Gopher) have not.

CNET notes that a recent survey of the “sprawling” alt.* hierarchy showed it to contain over 18,000 discussion boards, hosting innocuous topics such as adoption (alt.adoption), The Simpsons (alt.tv.simpsons), and Goth culture (alt.gothic). On the other hand, the alt.* hierarchy is also home to a large number of “binary” newsgroups, used for passing around data files as opposed to conversations; some groups specialize in image files – some pornographic, some not – and others, much to the content industry’s ire, specialize in music, software, or movies.

“This is ridiculous. I actually met my wife on alt.personals, 14 years ago,” said an unnamed CNET reader. “I still use Usenet - there are a lot good discussions and a person can get answers to questions on specific topics pretty quickly. It's nice to have a decentralized place to hold discussions, one that is not beholden to a sysadmin to correctly run a forum, one that's free of blinking gifs and flash ads.”

“The Internet service providers should not be blocking whole sections of the Internet, all Usenet groups, because there may be some illegal material buried somewhere," said the ACLU’s Barry Steinhardt. “That's taking a sledgehammer to an ant.”

Cuomo said he “commends” Time Warner, Sprint, and Verizon for their initiative, and called their actions a “new standard of responsibility” that should serve as a “new model” for the industry as a whole.

Customers affected by the block will still be able to use third-party services like EasyNews, however this will, naturally, incur additional costs.



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Wow, this makes sense
By Polynikes on 6/16/2008 8:22:14 PM , Rating: 5
But it's not enough. Why stop there? I think the internet should be shut down, to get rid of all the kiddie porn that's distributed over it via countless applications and protocols. We really need to crack down, our efforts thus far simply have not been enough.

We should also ban the sale of blank VHS tapes and any computer-readable blank media of any type.

I think with these measures, we'll eradicate kiddie porn for good, just like we'll soon eradicate the illegal drug problem in this country.




RE: Wow, this makes sense
By wordsworm on 6/16/2008 9:47:27 PM , Rating: 5
Still not good enough. People would still molest kids. What would work better than that is to stop having kids. So, maybe the government should make a law against kids.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By rhangman on 6/16/2008 10:00:29 PM , Rating: 2
Surely the most direct way would be to ban cameras. No camera = no pictures = no kiddy porn. Who cares about legitimate use of cameras?

Surely paedophiles would be using premium services already due to the lack of logging anyway? Those that were using their ISP's servers, surely it would have been better to use the logs to track them down and given sufficient evidence (make sure that they didn't accidentally download something); charge them.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By Motley on 6/16/2008 10:45:41 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, the most direct and efficient route, is ban kids. No more kids, and in 18 years, there will be no more subject for kiddie porn.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By Adonlude on 6/17/2008 2:05:49 PM , Rating: 4
You are all far to short sighted. The real problem is people. People are responsible for all the problems from kiddie porn to priating. We need a comprehensive ban on people!

Government sanctioned people banning injections will come with your stimulus checks. Initiate self banning at 0900 hours on July 4th.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By flydian on 6/18/2008 2:42:35 PM , Rating: 3
Bah! Not at the start of a 3 day weekend! How about July 7th instead?


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By MrBlastman on 6/17/2008 10:01:14 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps instead of killing all the children, we should genetically engineer all humans to instead birth out as elderly and grow younger throughout life.

This of course would require systemic eradication of all uterine-pregnancy bearing and a transition towards a more pure, and of course "controlled" monitoring, production and artificial incubation process within a factory. Wipe out the urge to breed by the young and you eliminate half the problem. You see, by reversing the aging process (however you do NOT reverse brain development), young "old" humans would spend their early years in old bodies, unable to procreate when they most need to...

I would suggest the starting age would be about, say 100 years old. This would provide optimal prevention of early-stage desire to breed. The "young" man would essentially be 80 years old in his sexual prime. The "young" woman would be 70 years old in her sexual prime. Dysfunction of the proboscis would alleviate all desire to copulate, likewise petrification of the ovaries would prevent all desire to have children.

But what about hormones? This is a simple problem to cure. You provide hormone suppressants and supplements through the water supply... secretly. The humans will be unaware of this manipulation except in the tightest of circles - circles which would be run by mad scientists who have no desire at all to allow the humans to copulate freely.

When the flock become young, the suppressants kick in and prevent any urge to breed as they get younger. Likewise, you change the biological destruction mechanism to elminate all life at approximately 70 - 80 years of age (or when they are 20 - 30 years old). They disspear at their reversed sexual peaks once again.

There is one side effect to all of this and it is up to the populace to decide in its indecency or not. Instead of young-spawn paraphanalia, you will instead have Geriatric Porn.

Weather droopy images would be desireable or not is purely up to discussion. The problem that is at hand would be solved though.

Cut off usenet and you kill an all-important part of the internet. :( Not all of us that use usenet are sickos.

If this solution doesn't suffice, you could instead put stakes in everyones eyes before they reach maturity. If you can't see it, it doesn't exist, right?


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By onelittleindian on 6/17/2008 1:31:48 PM , Rating: 1
I really don't see all the hubbub. Yeah, this shouldn't be being done, but who really uses Usenet any more anyway?

Save your energy for the really important fights IMO.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By MrBlastman on 6/17/2008 1:47:46 PM , Rating: 2
I do.

So do others.

That is why. You are apparently missing the important concept.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By Oregonian2 on 6/17/2008 1:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
With gazzillions of postings there, there probably are a few that aren't spambots.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By mindless1 on 6/16/2008 10:45:59 PM , Rating: 4
I have a modest proposal.

Let's just kill all children. Continually so that there can be no new child porn, and with any luck in about 100 years there won't be any child porn viewers either, unless some evil genius scientist hides a perv away in a lab somewhere and clones it. Therefore, we kill all scientists too.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By Chadder007 on 6/16/2008 11:57:22 PM , Rating: 1
You sir, deserve a 6.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By greylica on 6/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Wow, this makes sense
By seamonkey79 on 6/17/2008 9:24:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The same stupids are also saying that they are doing a "good thing to Irak"


Maybe you should talk to some of the soldiers who are over there rather than read the news. My boss has a number of relatives over there and back again and back over there that are always calling home with good stories. Some bad ones, for sure, but overall the people over there like us.

So stuff it.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By OldProgrammer on 6/17/2008 11:34:46 AM , Rating: 3
Talk to these soldiers, at least the ones who are still alive.

http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2007/09/...

The Iraqis sure don't want us there.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/br...


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By kyleb2112 on 6/17/2008 6:04:00 PM , Rating: 2
Those same left wing sites refuse to ever acknowledge there's been any progress at all in Iraq. I'm fine with people being anti-war, but at least form your opinion from a balanced assessment.
For example:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080616/ap_on_re_mi_ea...

A mixed bag, but definite progress. And the AP's not exactly a neocon bastion.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By OldProgrammer on 6/17/2008 7:25:19 PM , Rating: 1
Open your eyes. The "left wing sites" don't acknowledge progress, because there isn't any.

Progress would be bringing the US troops home. But we have only brought out a few thousand troops since the height of the surge, so we are still close to the maximum number of troops that we have ever had in Iraq, a number that we cannot sustain much longer. Despite this Bush and his hand chosen generals have no plans to bring any more troops home.

Bush says we can't leave, because if we do, the violence will escalate, the so called "government" will fall, and Islamic radicals will take over. But even if we stay for ten more years the government we want in place will fall as soon as we leave.

We have made no progress and every day we stay we make more enemies. We should never have invaded, and the sooner we leave the better for us and the Iraqis.

We need to get out of the way and let the Iraqis decide for themselves what they want to do. Maybe they will choose an Islamic government, in which case we might have been smarter to leave Saddam in place.


RE: Wow, this makes sense
By seamonkey79 on 6/17/2008 9:18:17 AM