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Connecting the U.S. and China by fiber-optics through the pacific ocean

Verizon this week announced a major project that would connect the U.S. and China together for the first time through a high-speed fiber optic line. The project is designed to provide more bandwidth between the two major countries, especially when network communications is so critical to businesses and consumers these days.

The new 11,000-mile fiber line will cross the Pacific Ocean and co-exist with a current system that has reached its limits. According to Verizon, the new line will have more than 60-times the bandwidth capacity of the current system allowing as much as 62-million simultaneous high-quality phone conversations. Network users will also benefit from the new line's incredible bandwidth. Verizon said that individual customers will be able to transfer data at a blistering speed of 10-gigabits per second or higher.

Called the Trans-Pacific Express (TPE), initial capacity will be roughly 1.28-terabits per second, with a designed capacity that's upgradeable to 5.12-terabits. Verizon's vice president of operations and technology Fred Briggs said "our leadership in this project builds on our important existing relationships in China, further recognizes the emergence of China as a diverse communications hub for Asia, and reflects our company's commitment to help U.S. and other global companies compete worldwide."

According to the original press release: The cable will have a landing point provided by Verizon Business at Nedonna Beach, Ore., on the U.S. West Coast and will land on the China mainland at Qingdao and Chongming.  TPE will also have landings in Tanshui, Taiwan, and Keoje, South Korea.

The project is headed up mainly by Verizon which is investing roughly $500-million USD into the project. Verizon's partners include China Telecom, China Netcom, China Unicom and several other companies in Korea and Taiwan. Surrounding countries will also benefit from the new fiber line. The TPE is slated to start construction in roughly three months and is expected to be completed by the third quarter of 2008

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My God
By Dfere on 12/20/2006 3:58:06 PM , Rating: 2
What a gamble! Not sure if this is good or bad for Verizon (and the stockholders). You don't see long term moves like this too often in business anymore. I think as a general rule infrastructure spending benefits everyone involved.

I wonder who will benefit more, US or China?




RE: My God
By FITCamaro on 12/20/2006 4:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
Now if they could just get their FiOS internet service in more places here in the states. I'm in Charleston, SC and paying $60 a month for a pitiful 7Mbit/s down because my f*ing apartment complex signed a deal with a no name internet provider(and you DSL junkies the best I can get is 1.5Mbit/s). Comcast in the area is supposed to be getting 12Mbit/s in January so I'm pissed. In Florida for $55 you get 10Mbit/s down and I know FiOS's basic $45/month service you get like 12Mbit/s down and 1 Mbit/s up.

Please Verizon. Help me!


RE: My God
By Brainonska511 on 12/20/2006 4:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
On LI, NY, you can get the basic 10/2 Verizon FiOS service for $35/month w/a 1 year contract.


RE: My God
By archcommus on 12/20/2006 4:38:55 PM , Rating: 2
My Comcast cable isn't too bad at all in comparison. It's only $8 more a month, and while the service is officially 6 Mbps down, I frequently get 9-10+. The only major downside is the upload which is still at 384 Kbps.


RE: My God
By Chainzsaw on 12/20/2006 4:33:07 PM , Rating: 2
Don't complain you bugger...

I pay for $100 1 Mbit down/256kb up connection through satellite, and I don't always get the full speed.

The reason for the crappy connection is because THERE IS NO fiber connection in this town. ALL data is sent via satellite connection here.

www dot netkaster dot ca - if you want to take a look at what i'm talking about.

SO DONT BE PISSED WITH YOUR NEARLY 1 MEGA-BYTE CONNECTION.

IM THE ONE WHOS PISSED! LOL


RE: My God
By Russell on 12/21/2006 3:26:35 AM , Rating: 2
lol, move somewhere that doesn't suck if it bothers you so much.


RE: My God
By ThisSpaceForRent on 12/21/2006 7:39:20 AM , Rating: 2
I was at a friend's house years ago and he had satellite. The ping is so slow on that it's crap. Maybe if they had the satellites in low orbits, and a dish that tracked them you could do something with them. The way they are set up now, the signal spends more time in the air than it does on the ground.


RE: My God
By Aikouka on 12/21/2006 8:20:22 AM , Rating: 2
Wouldn't a low orbit cause the satellites to have less time in space making the investment in the actual unit (they aren't cheap) much higher? Also, you simply cannot get around the fact that it takes time for the microwaves to reach space, which is what causes the high amount of lag on a satellite connection. I really don't think a tracking setup would be useful either, as you still have the distance between you and the satellite to traverse.

I'm just thankful my area finally got something useful. The DSL may be from the local telco, but they've done a pretty stellar job so far (surprisingly). They actually tripled my speeds a month or two ago and the only reason I could see is because some people can get Roadrunner.



RE: My God
By glennpratt on 12/21/2006 10:43:44 PM , Rating: 2
Time in space has everything to do with how much fuel you pack on board and your willingness to refuel. Geostationary satellites are much more expensive to put up in the first place.

A geostationary satellite must be at a relatively high orbit to stay in space. To move satellites closer (therefore decreasing lag), they most move relative to the ground position because they will orbit the earth faster then it rotates on its axis.

A satellite in low earth orbit will be 124 - 1240 miles above the ground. A geostat orbit is 22,240 miles above the ground! This could make a huge difference terms of latency, however ground satellites would need to be much more complicated and there would have to be enough satellites in orbit to cover the target market at all times. But it is quite possible, and we’ve been doing it for decades. I believe Russian satellite television uses this method because of their high latitude.


RE: My God
By Chainzsaw on 12/21/2006 2:33:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yes.

My ping times in games are usually around 700-800ms.

It is $hitty, but having a beefy computer that I have alleviates it a little bit. Trust me, sometimes pings are not as bad as someone else who has a crappy computer. Read on...

Have you ever played someone who still uses a P4 2Ghz w/ 256Mb RAM? It literally pauses every second or so when I play MODERN RTS (say...Warhammer 40k) games, and NOT because of the lag (ping).

I have played games with people with AWESOME computers, and there is no pausing/skipping...but the time it takes to issue an order command for my units in a game and for them to respond is a bit slow...

And NO, I can't move out of here just because I have a crappy connection. Right now I have a good government job, and I won't sacrifice that for mere speed gains :P


RE: My God
By yzhu92 on 12/20/2006 4:58:08 PM , Rating: 2
lol I'm in NZ at the moment and getting 200/128 kilobits to the US (and all international). Suppose to be 7.6Mbps. In fact there's a cable directly linking NZ to the US.


RE: My God
By mydogfarted on 12/20/06, Rating: 0
RE: My God
By Rage187 on 12/20/2006 5:19:30 PM , Rating: 3
I'm in Charleston as well and Comcast sucks and is way to expensive. Where the hell is Verizon and their FIOS?


RE: My God
By Oregonian2 on 12/20/2006 6:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
Shoot, their FiOS underground cabling gets to within about 100 yards of my house where it stops. Workers put it in this last summer but turned up a side street and didn't come back. Now, I'm being TEASED which is worse than not being anywhere near fiber! Still on my slug-slow 768K DSL (might be upgradable to 1.5Mb, but they'd need different hardware and I'm not so confident it wouldn't get messed up). Getting the current DSL installed was "interesting" (getting them to show up,.. it was fine once they did).


RE: My God
By ZoZo on 12/20/2006 6:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's surprising how uninteresting the internet access offers are in the US.
Here in France you can get unlimited DSL (up to 20mbit) just about anywhere for $19/month.
In one month I'll be on 100Mbit triple-play FTTH for $39. But the FTTH is because I live in Paris, other parts of France won't get that for a few other years.
Not bragging (well, a bit), just keeping you informed of how the grass is elsewhere.


RE: My God
By Chainzsaw on 12/20/2006 6:56:31 PM , Rating: 3
Well.

Unlike over there in France, here in North America, big companies like to rip us off by HOLDING BACK technology so they can squeeze every last penny out of their customers. Why not let them have more bandwidth? Because bandwidth costs money, and the less you can give to your customers, the more you will make.

Simple economics.

Sorry my own little rant


RE: My God
By sleeprae on 12/20/2006 10:11:22 PM , Rating: 3
Surely couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the US landmass is 18x that of France, could it? :/


RE: My God
By Chainzsaw on 12/21/2006 1:15:27 AM , Rating: 2
Actually no.

U.S.A. is the richest country in the world. There is absolutely no reason why everyone shouldn't have FiOS.
10 years ago the Telcos said would have fiber optic covering MOST of the USA in 10 years.
Now we all know how that turned out. Not all places are covered, and it's not as prevailant as they said it would be.

Why do you think cellphones and services, and internet connections in the USA are 1 step behind Western Europe and Japan? They want to keep their current technology and reap every last penny out of it that they can.

That's why these companies are HUGE. Look for Verizon's earnings a couple of years ago. It was in the Billions.

Landmass has nothing to do with it.


RE: My God
By masher2 (blog) on 12/21/2006 5:37:59 AM , Rating: 2
> "U.S.A. is the richest country in the world. There is absolutely no reason why everyone shouldn't have FiOS. "

That statement is just wrong on so many levels. Infrastructure costs are a matter of population density. The fact of the matter is that most US consumers don't want FiOS...especially not at what it would cost them to cable the entire country with it. Given that France's population density is nearly 4 times higher than the US, it's at least 3 times cheaper to provide that infrastructure.

And let's not forget the government subsidies in France, which underwrote a huge portion of broadband buildout costs. You don't see those costs on your monthly bill...but the French taxpayer still pays them all the same.

Sure the US is a rich nation. We got that way by allowing capitalism to do its job. And that means providing products and services only where consumers are willing to pay the costs of providing them.


RE: My God
By rushfan2006 on 12/21/2006 9:35:06 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. The comment about landmass haven't nothing to do with and the US being the richest country is total nonsense to the topic at hand.

Masher is correct it has to do with density and good old supply and demand.

I don't know exact numbers (but I'm sure someone out there will post them in a flame reply -- people seem to love doing that shit).....but I do know with certainly that the main population areas in the states are just on the East and West coasts....comparatively speaking...the HUGE middle section of our country is barren population wise.

A good example...I live in the Philly Metro area, there are more people in this area that the population of FOUR ENTIRE STATES COMBINED in the midwest.

So what business incentive is it to a telco to invest hundreds of millions to even BILLIONS to run fiber across the entire country when HUGE sections of said country has VERY VERY low population densities.

That's NOT how you make your telco company successful...and as much as we sometimes love to bitch and moan about the big bad telco and their damn profits...in the long term if it wasn't for their success new and better (and faster) technology would NEVER come about in the USA.

That all said...I'm not thrilled with the expensive nature of say Comcast....but at the same time I'm not gonna go to extremes to display my displeasure with their pricing...I have WAY more important things to worry about in my life than that...if they get to overboard...I'll simply get rid of their service.



RE: My God
By Chainzsaw on 12/21/2006 2:24:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So what business incentive is it to a telco to invest hundreds of millions to even BILLIONS to run fiber across the entire country when HUGE sections of said country has VERY VERY low population densities.


Again, land mass has nothing to do with it. Why do you think CEO's of these huge companies make MILLIONS of dollars, not to mention millions in BONUSES. They are ripping off their own employees, and even more so of their customers. It would be EASY for them to implement FIBER. Come on, this is year 2006! Enough with Cable and expensive satellite (internet), I want my fiber connection. Do you like getting overcharged for hardware that is 1-2 generations BEHIND other industrialized nations? Think about it...

Look for Verizon call on Youtube (about .002 cents, and .002 DOLLARS), you will see what i'm talking about.

It seems you would be the type of person to buy a GMC or FORD vehicle when Toyota is making superior products FOR THE SAME PRICE.

quote:
That's NOT how you make your telco company successful...and as much as we sometimes love to bitch and moan about the big bad telco and their damn profits...in the long term if it wasn't for their success new and better (and faster) technology would NEVER come about in the USA.


I guess to make a telco, all you have to do is set up old technology, and overcharge everyone for it. Yea, thats what we need, more companies ripping off Joe blow out there.

quote:
I have WAY more important things to worry about in my life than that...if they get to overboard...I'll simply get rid of their service.


Just because it's not very important to you, doesn't mean it's NOT important to ANYONE ELSE.

Thanks for your time!


RE: My God
By masher2 (blog) on 12/21/06, Rating: 0
RE: My God
By Chainzsaw on 12/21/2006 5:47:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What sort of ignoramus is unable to see this is a crucial factor in the feasibility?


Now you've resorted to name calling because you can't back up your facts.
18 times the land mass will cost 18x more? That's not true at all.

quote:
Of course it would be very easy. It would also be very expensive. Have you forgotten how recently several companies lost tens of billions of dollars running fiber across the US? And they weren't even trying to wire up individual homes, but merely the much simpler and cheaper step of adding longhaul capacity.


Such as? Give me proof. And no, don't give me links to things that happend 10 years ago.

quote:
You're right, it's incredibly simple. Why not try it yourself, get rich, and report back to us on the results? We'll wait while you test out your theories.


Are you that thick? I was being SARCASTIC. Guess not all people are created equal.


RE: My God
By StevoLincolnite on 12/21/2006 3:24:27 AM , Rating: 2
60 bucks a month for 7Mbit? Jeezus!
Is that with or without a download limit?

Here in Australia I'm paying 50 bucks a month,
For only 512k, with 15gb on peak, and 15gb off peak data.
And in my Area 1.5Mb is still the fastest speed available.
(No ADSL 2+ exchange, which exclude all of Telstra's new speeds). And no Cable either, Wireless is Available here but are incredibly over priced and have something like a 3gb total monthly download limit.
(In a small city/town called Port Lincoln!) - I envy you Americans. -.-


RE: My God
By FITCamaro on 12/21/2006 1:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
We don't have download limits here. If we did me and an ex-roommate of mine would've been in trouble...

In the next few weeks once a friend of mine gets a little something set up I'm gonna be pulling down around 500GB to my PC. If I can't get out of this retarded internet contract (that I didn't sign my complex did), I'm gonna make them suffer for it by using as much bandwidth as I can.


RE: My God
By Targon on 12/20/2006 5:44:28 PM , Rating: 2
It will benefit China since Verizon will be able to outsource more customer service over that line.

The US loses more on every oursourced job than most people know, and HELPING China only hurts this country.


RE: My God
By HammerZ on 12/21/2006 12:35:10 AM , Rating: 2
Of all the possible benefits that this investment can bring to Verizon, I highly doubt that outsourcing Verizon's customer service department is on even the list. Customer interfacing jobs that have been outsourced were predominately made to India, not China.


RE: My God
By rushfan2006 on 12/21/2006 9:39:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The US loses more on every oursourced job than most people know, and HELPING China only hurts this country.


Beyond saying how foolish of a statement that is...its not even worth a reply.....


RE: My God
By Pythias on 12/21/2006 2:31:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wonder who will benefit more, US or China?


Hopefully we both will. I'm also hoping this will make it more difficult for the Chinese government to censor its citizens.


.
By bbomb on 12/20/2006 5:51:34 PM , Rating: 2
I have always wondered about these cross ocean cables. How do submarines and sea life not tear them all to bits?




RE: .
By Chainzsaw on 12/20/2006 5:57:18 PM , Rating: 3
They are dug under the sea bed a few feet (prob more than a few feet) with a trench device, therefore sea creatures and sea boats cannot harm the cable.

The main problem they would face would be corrosion, and earthquakes.


RE: .
By Oregonian2 on 12/20/2006 6:11:36 PM , Rating: 2
They file an environmental impact statement for each and every foot of the path on the sea floor?

:-(


RE: .
By Chainzsaw on 12/20/2006 6:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand what your saying...

Remember, this isn't above sea level :P.

Not to mention each country controls what, 12 miles out into sea? After that it becomes international...or in political terms, Free for all.


RE: .
By creathir on 12/20/2006 9:10:06 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, most of them are not buried but for a few hundred meters off of the coastline. Most of them rest ON the sea floor, in EXTREMELY thick cables.

Marine life actually does not really bother the cables like one would think, and the cable is just too deep for a boat to come near to bothering.

They never burry them the entire way though, as it is just too deep to do so. (Remember, the Atlantic is up to 4 miles deep in some locations, the Pacific 6)

It still is amazing how fast they can move data across these cables.

This is a HUGE risk for Verizon... Does anyone remember the company called Global Crossing?? This company was DESTROYED by the total fallout of the tech industry with the tech bubble burst in 2000. They were creating a high speed link between North America and Europe. The system was eventually finished, but the company obviously never did recover.

- Creathir


RE: .
By Relion on 12/22/2006 10:59:43 AM , Rating: 2
I live in Costa Rica, we have had two two-days internet shortages (one in 2004 and one recently) both for broken undersea cables. Both were for ships throwing their anchors were the cables were.


RE: .
By Relion on 12/22/2006 11:01:00 AM , Rating: 2
where the cables were *


RE: .
By Chainzsaw on 12/22/2006 12:37:58 PM , Rating: 2
Ouch that sucks madly.

At least you probably don't get mega lag (ping) like I do with 2 way Satellite Internet (1Mb down/ 256Kb up).

BTW whats your speeds anyways?


RE: .
By Viper007Bond on 12/21/2006 8:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The main problem they would face would be corrosion, and earthquakes.


Emphasis on earthquakes, especially here in the NW / Oregon. We're overdue for the regular couple hundred year HUGE one. :/


Chokehold
By TimberJon on 12/20/2006 5:03:53 PM , Rating: 1
Some high powered Chine rep probably sent an individual to their offices discreetly to demand that they assist with this communications upgrade. Then Verizon has to play it to the media (we readers) that they are doing it for the reasons listed. China knows how to play their cards. They know technology, business services and goods production is their future. So its natural that they would want to expand their virtual and profit empire by increasing the bandwidth between mainlands.

...The Data must flow...




RE: Chokehold
By Chainzsaw on 12/20/2006 6:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm

I highly doubt it was some high powered rep.

These things happen, upgrades happen. It is only logical.

Not to mention since Verizon has the most capital investment being put into this, it would be a major revenue system because they could lease the bandwidth to companies that require it. So of course they would want to put the most into it.

Its like saying this...they have a 1000 lane highway, and they sell however many highways lanes you need/want to other businesses (could be 1 lane, could be 2 lanes or even 10 lanes).

Basically this will be a cash cow.


RE: Chokehold
By Oregonian2 on 12/20/2006 6:19:19 PM , Rating: 2
Well... as part of the dot-com crash there was a company with massive transpacific (and other) fiber -- that crashed themselves. Most of their fiber was dark I think (as most of Verizon's seems to be as well) -- but still had massive bandwidth available for 'rent'. They still went bust and was sold for a song in bankruptcy. The China connection may be a cash cow once its bandwidth is significantly used, but it won't do that "instantly" and in the meanwhile the project may be a cash sinkhole. IOW building and maintaining a 1000 lane highway isn't all that profitable (cash cow'able) when only three lanes are being used. That's where the risk is. The traffic needs to come along before one just boards up the lanes and lets it rot.


RE: Chokehold
By Chainzsaw on 12/20/2006 7:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
That is pretty obvious not all the lanes will be used up at the beginning.

This is a pre-emptive strike so that WHEN they NEED it, they will finally have it. It's like giving a sales site a small amount of bandwidth per /day /hour /megabyte whatever when you KNOW there will be a holiday rush. The web site crashes, and no more customers can access your site. How much money would you be losing (to potential customers, and the downtime) if you don't have the capacity to keep up with the holiday rush?

So if you build for the future, you don't lose those potential customers. It's actually very smart.

Not to mention they are a TELCO. They have MILLIONS of monthly subscribing people under their belt. It's not like they will go under because of this.

This is a mere bump in the grand scheme of things.


your inbox will love this
By joeld on 12/20/2006 7:47:20 PM , Rating: 4
you can now get your spam faster than ever!




RE: your inbox will love this
By drebo on 12/20/2006 8:18:03 PM , Rating: 2
Our spam firewall service basically blocks every single email sent from China.

Nobody who subscribes through us gets china-spam.


By WileCoyote on 12/20/2006 8:16:43 PM , Rating: 3
First of all, Verizon isn't footing the entire bill - they are going in with 5 Asian parners.

Second, this is Verizon Business and they are targeting business customers in China.

Third, Verizon is an American company and I see no problem with an American company taking money from China. This isn't charity work!




$0.5bn = $0.5mil?
By otispunkmeyer on 12/21/2006 3:52:55 AM , Rating: 3
$0.002 = 0.002cents :0




verizon spending billion dollars of my american money
By SPOOOK on 12/20/06, Rating: -1
By Pandamonium on 12/20/2006 7:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
I think I might understand what you're getting at, but you need to punctuate...

Neither you nor I is entitled to Verizon's technology, so stop complaining. Verizon will do what it believes will help it earn money. You should do the same, and stop expecting hand-me-downs.

If people are really scared of the effects of outsourcing, then they should just change industries. You are not entitled to anything because of your citizenship. You are entitled to earnings based on your productivity. And if someone is more productive than you are, then you fail. It's a harsh way of putting things, but think about it from a business owner's perspective before you go ranting...


By masher2 (blog) on 12/21/2006 5:47:19 AM , Rating: 2
Verizon has spent over $30B on US network expansion over the past 6 years...and people are complaining over a measly $500M to connect US to China? That won't even wire one large city in the US.

Even more amusing is that these are the same people who'd complain first when their torrent download from a Chinese location was running slow, because of limited international bandwidth.


By Scorpion on 12/20/2006 7:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's not about America anymore, it's about the almighty $. You see what rampant pure capitalism in a global society can do? It's no longer about nations, it's about corporations.


By randomlinh on 12/20/2006 9:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
BINGO. The world economics is changing, and changing fast. If you don't keep up, well... you get the picture.


By Einy0 on 12/21/2006 11:51:29 AM , Rating: 2
You are clueless. It's not until recently that capitalism has gone overboard. All companies care about is thier bottom line. They have no loyalty to thier employees or thier customers. Look at the recent financial scandals. Every year another compnay is getting caught screwing over customers and or employees. Be it retirement funds being stolen or used to bolster the bottom line, fixing numbers on earnings. It's getting rediculous. Besides there are more than two major types of economies. It goes beyond Communism and Capitalism. Both types of economics work perfectly in utopia. Utopia however does not exist. People in Communism may lose the motivation to work hard, since the wage is the same either way. Capitalism would work perfectly if ethics(or lack there of) and greed where not issues. The biggest joke is the current administrations idea of trickle down economics. It would work great if there was no such thing as greed. If you give a poor man a $100 he'll spend it on food, clothes, etc... If you give a rich man a $100 he'll put it towards his next overpriced german sports car and the U.S. economy will never see it again. Try telling Dubya that.

I doubt this move has anything to do with outsourcing, it wouldn't make much sense. However anyone who believes outsourcing jobs doesn't hurt the U.S. economy is a fool. When you are sending a paying job to another country you are taking away: one, a source of employment for an American who needs a job and two, wages paid and taxes upon them are being sent out of the U.S. economy thereby weakening the economy.


By Wwhat on 12/22/2006 11:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A "greedy" company makes better products, provides better service, and offers better prices because that's the most sure method of satisfying that greed.

Take a sec to look around you, and then dare to say that again without blushing.
Try to compare reality with theory.


By buprestid on 12/20/2006 7:45:09 PM , Rating: 2
Your an idiot Spoook. Stop buying Verizon service, if you don't agree with the way the spend their money.


By AMDfreak on 12/20/2006 9:56:55 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you. However, if you're going to call someone an idiot, you're more likely to be taken seriously if you're using the correct grammar.

/soapbox


By Wwhat on 12/22/2006 11:35:34 AM , Rating: 2
And you might look up the difference between grammar and spelling and use "spelling" when you mean spelling.


By Min Jia on 12/20/2006 10:06:58 PM , Rating: 2
Haha, too bad you can't do anything about it. China FTW.


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