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Verizon will offer Pre smartphone in the next six months or so

The smartphone world is buzzing with rumors of new smartphones from Palm and Apple. The iPhone is one of the most popular smartphones on the market and has helped AT&T win new customers to its mobile network.

Palm is looking to grab some of the iPhone’s thunder with its new Pre smartphone which will be a Sprint exclusive handset for the first six months of its availability. Palm officially confirmed that the launch date for the Pre is set for June 6. Supplies of the device are expected to be slim for launch day due to the high demand expected.

Verizon Wireless has announced that after the Sprint exclusive period is over, it will also be offering its customers the Pre. The announcement that the Pre would hit the much larger and more poplar Verizon Wireless network sent shares in Palm up 8.8% in trading reports Reuters.

Verizon isn’t specific on when it will be offering the Pre and only says that it will be in the next six months or so. In addition to the Pre, Verizon is also getting a second-generation Blackberry Storm handset and talking about new phones form Motorola running the Android OS.

Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam said, "Over the next six months or so you will see devices like Palm Pre and a second generation Storm. You can expect to see us launch a steady stream of new devices from multiple vendors."

Word of the Pre coming to other networks after the shorter exclusive period that Sprint won is good news to many consumers and analysts. Reuters notes that analysts were worried that Palm was limiting the success of Pre by making the handset a Sprint exclusive. Sprint is hemorrhaging customers at a significant rate and has significantly less customers than Verizon and AT&T Wireless.

UBS analyst Maynard Um told Reuters that he expects to see other phones from Palm that run the Pre operating system. AT&T's CEO has also expressed interest in selling the Pre, but runs different network technology than Sprint.

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By retrospooty on 5/29/2009 10:22:53 AM , Rating: 2
Knowing Palm and knowing Verizon and Sprint this works out perfect.

Palm will release it full of bugs and problems that make you say "I cant believe Palm's QC didnt catch that error". Sprint doesnt give a crap. Verizon will say, "you want us to sell your phone, you fix the errors"

By the time it's released on Verizon it will be worth it.

RE: Cool!!!
By misbfa1 on 5/29/2009 10:27:05 AM , Rating: 4
Yup, open beta test on the Sprint network. Gold release on the Verizon network.

RE: Cool!!!
By omnicronx on 5/29/2009 10:59:40 AM , Rating: 1
While I would not put it past them, this is probably not the case here. Palm signed an exclusive contract with Sprint, so you wont be seeing a Verizon version until 2010 from the sound of it.

RE: Cool!!!
By retrospooty on 5/29/2009 1:03:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yes... It releases in June with a 6 month sprint exclusive contract. What part of that isn't clear in the article?

If this phone is 1/2 as good as people that have used it say it is, it will be a hot seller and other carriers will release it the day the Sprint exclusive contract expires.

RE: Cool!!!
By jhb116 on 5/29/2009 5:40:37 PM , Rating: 1
I don't think the higher Math is obvious enough. 6 months after a Jun release = Jan 2010 release. :)

RE: Cool!!!
By lightfoot on 5/29/2009 7:20:00 PM , Rating: 2
Try December 2009.
June is month six - add six and you get... Let me get out a calculator...

TWELVE! That would be umm... Let me check the calendar...


But January was very close... So partial credit and a ribbon for participating.

RE: Cool!!!
By Jeffk464 on 5/29/2009 9:29:00 PM , Rating: 3
I'm locked into my chocolate 3 until Sept 2009, so it works for me. P.S. not to knock the chocolate 3 its got some very cool features, but its no smart phone.

RE: Cool!!!
By ImSpartacus on 5/30/2009 6:14:02 PM , Rating: 2
I <3 my chocolate 3. I agree that it isn't a smartphone, but it's a good phone.

RE: Cool!!!
By MozeeToby on 5/29/2009 10:57:46 AM , Rating: 4
Worse, even if the phone is 100% bug free, Verizon will cripple it and add a monthly charge for each feature that should have been free.

RE: Cool!!!
By kamel5547 on 5/29/2009 11:06:58 AM , Rating: 1
Exactly. I refuse to even consider VZW because of how much they cripple their phones. Not to mention their general lack of price competitiveness.

RE: Cool!!!
By mcnabney on 5/29/2009 1:24:10 PM , Rating: 2
The only way Verizon has crippled their phones is Bluetooth file transfer, and they did that because their contract with Qualcom required it to protect their application downloads. Application security has since improved and it is no longer an issue with Verizon or AT&T through the AppStore. You guys are a bunch of whiney babies.

RE: Cool!!!
By Etsp on 5/29/2009 5:55:55 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I know that blackberrys on Verizon that have hardware support for wifi, don't support wifi on Verizon's network.

Verizon killed that feature. That was a deal-killer for me.
Now, I'm on AT&T with a Bold, and I absolutely love it.

RE: Cool!!!
By mcnabney on 5/30/2009 12:57:55 AM , Rating: 3
Verizon has carried the Pearl, 7130, 8830, Curve, and Storm. None of these devices have ever had WiFi. Some of Verizon's Samsung devices do have WiFi and it is enabled, so I don't think they have a problem with it.

RE: Cool!!!
By retrospooty on 5/29/2009 2:10:27 PM , Rating: 3
" Exactly. I refuse to even consider VZW because of how much they cripple their phones. Not to mention their general lack of price competitiveness."

Really? That seems an odd way to make purchasing descisions to me. I personally look at a phone/carrier combo and see what features it has and what the price is and decide if I like it. I have been with Verizon and various smartphones for 5 years and have never had a feature that I cared about be disabled.

What did Verizon disable other than the ability to connect your PC to the phone and use it as a broadband modem (a common practice for carriers)?

RE: Cool!!!
By MScrip on 5/29/2009 4:34:35 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Verizon Blackberry Curve... and the only thing I notice is that the GPS is crippled.

BUT, GPS does work on Blackberry Maps... so it's better than nothing.

Besides... that's why I got a Garmin!

Everything else is 100% Blackberry.

RE: Cool!!!
By Chadder007 on 5/29/2009 11:15:13 AM , Rating: 2
Kind of like how they fixed all the issues with the Storm before it was released....oh wait....

RE: Cool!!!
By mcnabney on 5/29/2009 1:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, the Storm was hurried out the door with several parts of the OS still in beta.
And so has every other cutting-edge new product in the last five years. The original iPhone was a piece and had all kinds of bugs. At least the Storm can be flashed, Apple thought you should buy the next generation device.

RE: Cool!!!
By fcx56 on 5/29/2009 2:10:44 PM , Rating: 1
What are you talking about? I still have an original iPhone on the current v2.2.1 that was shipped to me in the box two and a half years ago with v1.0.2.
At least the Storm can be flashed, Apple thought you should buy the next generation device

If you're going to bash Apple at least talk about their app censorship, or the default install of Safari with iTunes or the lack of removable batteries, etc.. Oh, wait, there really wouldn't have been a good way for you to fit those in without going well off topic, I see. Get a clue.

RE: Cool!!!
By peritusONE on 5/29/2009 3:04:30 PM , Rating: 3
2 1/2 years ago? You got it 6 months before anybody else?

RE: Cool!!!
By superflex on 5/29/2009 4:08:52 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah. v 1.0.2 or v 2.2.1. 2 years or 2.5 years. What's in a number.
As long as it's Apple, the sun is shining, the birds are singing and Steve Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank.

Nothing official about the Pre!
By Diesel Donkey on 5/29/2009 10:26:02 AM , Rating: 2
Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam said, "Over the next six months or so you will see devices like Palm Pre...

I've been following the developments with the Pre quite closely, and I would be very excited if the Verizon CEO had actually said that the Pre would be coming to Verizon. HOWEVER, what he actually said is that a device like the Pre will be coming to Verizon. That could very well just be the Pre's little brother, the Eos. Or it could be one of a number of other devices that Palm is planning to introduce on its new OS. But Verizon has absolutely NOT made any promises about the Pre specifically! I don't know why everyone seems to have missed that subtlety.

RE: Nothing official about the Pre!
By nafhan on 5/29/2009 10:50:19 AM , Rating: 1
I just saw on Engadget that Sprint has an exclusive with the Pre through 2009. The next six months or so could have Verizon offering the Pre Jan. 1st 2010.
Sprint would keep exclusivity through 2009 and Verizon would get it in 6 months.


RE: Nothing official about the Pre!
By streak24 on 5/29/2009 11:00:28 AM , Rating: 2
"Over the next six months or so you will see devices like Palm Pre and a second generation Storm," on the Verizon Wireless network, McAdam said.

So by your logic, they also aren't necessarily offering the second generation Storm...just a device "like" the second generation Storm. ;)

RE: Nothing official about the Pre!
By Diesel Donkey on 5/29/2009 1:20:12 PM , Rating: 2
Well, it all depends on how you read the quote, I suppose. It certainly is ambiguous, though. I call into question the certainty of Verizon offering the Pre in this case mostly because there is already another webOS device in the pipeline: the Eos. AT&T is getting it for sure, and not too long from now. That said, given the complete lack of Sprint 3G in my area compared with the opposite from Verizon and AT&T I hope that Verizon does get the Pre!

RE: Nothing official about the Pre!
By mcnabney on 5/29/2009 1:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
The simple fact of the matter is that Palm will cease to exist if they don't sell a ton of these things, and soon.

A Sprint exclusive is equivalent to digging their own grave. Sprint is a value leader that provides an inferior network, horrible customer service, and dodgy phones in exchange for an excellent service price. For customers who don't mind paying more for better quality and service, Verizon is the obvious choice. AT&T is somewhere in the middle. Regardless, they can't sell enough devices through Sprint alone. They need Verizon and AT&T or they are going to join Circuit City in the tech graveyard.

RE: Nothing official about the Pre!
By zerocool84 on 5/29/2009 2:48:17 PM , Rating: 2
Inferior network? Dodgy phones? Seems like you're fairly biased and not reading up on things. I will give you the customer service thing. They HAD really bad customer service but it's improved dramatically and is good now. Verizon and Sprint are extremely similar with Sprint providing slightly better coverage. You can use the Slingbox on Sprint and Sprint doesn't cripple their phones just to use their own software. Verizon is just better with the marketing than Sprint is.

By bplewis24 on 5/29/2009 3:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
This is either a regional thing or you're misinformed. I've used both Sprint and Verizon for the past 8 years here in california (Verizon for 6, Sprint for 2). I can say that without a doubt Sprint's network was inferior to Verizons in my experience. That isn't marketing, it's real-world experience.


RE: Nothing official about the Pre!
By mcnabney on 5/30/2009 1:06:42 AM , Rating: 1
Just look at JD Power or Consumer Reports. Both are independent and both rake Sprint over hot coals. A lot of my friends have Sprint, mainly because they are cheap, but also because I live in Kansas City and Sprint employees can give out these coupons for practically free service to a number of their friends/family. Anyway, they are all universally unhappy with their phones, the network, and none of them even waste their time with calling customer service. They drop calls all the time and most of the time when I call them it goes straight to voice mail because they can't get any signal. And this is in Sprint's home town!!! Anyway, they still keep Sprint because they are getting such a great deal - which actually explains a lot. Sprint has almost 50 million customers (and dropping), but still manages to lose billions every quarter. How in the hell can they do that when AT&T, Verizon, and even T-Mobile are making huge profits. There is just something fundamentally wrong with how Sprint does business. If you can afford a better carrier, avoid them.

By belawrence on 5/30/2009 4:45:45 AM , Rating: 3
It's funny how people state how they can make calls on Verizon where they can't on Sprint considering they are probably the two biggest roaming partners in the country - it really doesn't matter if I'm in an area that doesn't have Sprint service - which is rare here in SoCal, because if Verizon has service in the area, I'm golden. Any company that let's me tether my phone to my laptop and use the SlingPlayer app on my phone instead of forcing me to buy their TV service(cough VCAST cough) can't be all bad. Also, call me lucky but I've yet to have a bad customer service experience with them - yet.

Sprint losing customers because of Pre
By JosefTor on 5/29/2009 3:24:53 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure if I'm the only person who thinks this but... I see the Pre as hurting Sprint more then helping it. The exclusivity contract is not long enough for the majority of people to jump carriers, the price of the monthly contract is to high compared to other carriers, and they are losing long time customers like me who are completely fed up with Sprint.

I have stayed with Sprint waiting for a cool phone to finally hit the carrier that I could use with my cheap plan (not zero but still a grandfathered plan). Even after Sprint customer service promised me I would be able to keep my plan, I find out they will not only charge higher for upgrades but also not allow ANY older plans. With Sprints crappy cell reception, their plans need a steep discount. Plus, why switch to sprint when the best exclusivity contract they can get for one cool phone is 6 months while other carriers have other cool phone options like the iphone and the storm. I have a feeling with long time faithfuls like me leaving, and not many converts... Sprint is in a world of pain and they don't even know it.

Bye Sprint and the poor management of the service since around 2005. (I've been a customer since 2001 when I had nothing but raving to do)

By mcnabney on 5/30/2009 1:17:27 AM , Rating: 1

If you are thinking about changing carriers here are some tips. First, understand what your needs and wants are. Different carriers do different things well and other things poorly or just so-so. AT&T's network is decent and the iPhone is an excellent product. Never underestimate the importance of a well designed user interface. Verizon usually charges higher service prices on average, but that is shrinking now that they are adding no-charge goodies like their Family and Friends program. They do have by far the largest, best performing, and most reliable network. When I go to NFL games I walk right past a portable cell tower that Verizon deploys on the back of a truck. The worker told me that they bring one out to pretty much any large gathering of people to ensure maximum system capacity to offset the large number of users. The other carriers don't do things like that. You pay a little more and you get a little more. Anyway, T-Mobile is actually pretty good in communities that they actively compete in. They are worth a try since their customer service is nearly on-par with Verizon and their rates are a bit cheaper on a per minute basis. Their data products are a bit limited though. Sprint is just a mess. They are the cheapest and they deliver the absolute least in everything. They really need to get their act together.

Just enough time...
By Bender 123 on 5/29/2009 10:17:30 AM , Rating: 2
That should give them plenty of time to take all the fun/innovative features of the phone and cripple them in the finest Verizon tradition...

Verizon Customer
By bplewis24 on 5/29/2009 12:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
This would make my life complete.


Regardless of who offers it....
By Chaser on 5/29/2009 12:42:40 PM , Rating: 2
Everything else is speculation. The Pre's potential to be a true competitor has yet to be seen. The only evidence we have are the repeated "iPhone killer"s that launched with a lot of hype and failed.

Regardless of phone models and features etc nothing can touch the iPhone's popularity and its app store development machine. A good $3.99 app can make a millionaire.

I hope the Pre succeeds. the iPhone needs some real competition.

Than you Lord
By Jeffk464 on 5/29/2009 9:26:03 PM , Rating: 2
Finally, Verizon has a cool phone. I've been waiting for something like this ever since the Iphone came out.

By btc909 on 5/29/2009 10:26:53 AM , Rating: 1
With Verizon customers it's simple. Just disable all of the features that are "buggy". What you can't use won't cause you a problem.

Can you hear me now?

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