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500 Mbps uploads, 500 Mbps downloads are now a reality on FiOS

For existing Verizon FiOS customers (or those that are looking to adopt the service), there’s some good news to report this morning. Verizon has made significant upgrades to its network infrastructure and as a result, data upload speeds will now match existing download speeds.
This means that customers on the “lowly” 15 Mbps service will seen a 3x performance in upload speeds (up from 5 Mbps) while those on the range-topping 500 Mbps service will see their speeds boost by 5x (up from 100 Mbps).

Verizon cites Facebook/Shutterfly/Pinterest photo uploads, YouTube video uploads, and gamers as big motivators behind the symmetrical data speeds. And the company says that it wants to improve customer experience across the board, and that means providing these speed upgrades at no additional charge.
New FiOS customers will see the increased upload speeds upon activating their service, while existing customers will see their speeds upgraded “throughout the fall.”

Sources: Verizon [1], [2]

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I wish...
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 9:25:57 AM , Rating: 2
500/500 would be awesome. No FiOS in my neighborhood though.

RE: I wish...
By imaheadcase on 7/21/2014 9:30:08 AM , Rating: 2
We all wish. That is insane speeds for residential internet in the US. Its stuff like this that will influence people to move to these areas. I know if I don't have a reason to live here anymore, that is where i'm moving to.

RE: I wish...
By Samus on 7/21/2014 1:21:05 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, but you still can't stream Netflix in HD.

RE: I wish...
By Alexvrb on 7/21/2014 11:28:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have FiOS and Netflix in HD works fine on my Rokus.

RE: I wish...
By Makaveli on 7/21/2014 9:35:45 AM , Rating: 2
I just upgraded from a 45/4 connection to 60/10 but wow those are some nice speeds on Fios minus streaming issues with netflix..

What is the pricing on this ?

RE: I wish...
By FITCamaro on 7/21/2014 9:50:40 AM , Rating: 2
I'm on 20/15 for $65/mo through a local provider. And I get it.

I have 110Mbps up/down available for $200/mo.

RE: I wish...
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 10:24:32 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure the pricing isn't cheap but it shows that VZW had the right idea when they were building this out. Because the infrastructure is there they can scale speeds as the competition catches up. Some people seem to have a problem with paying for a service and not getting everything that is available but I don't. As Google and ATT roll out gigabit services along with other, smaller local providers then Verizon will scale. Because their investment is already paid off it will be easier for them to scale up speed and lower prices.

This was the reason they were building the FiOS network when everyone else thought the idea of fiber to the house was overpriced and a waste of money.

RE: I wish...
By imaheadcase on 7/21/2014 10:40:15 AM , Rating: 2
Except ATT network is mostly dark fiber that is not made for this type of speeds. They still own more copper backends than anyone else.

RE: I wish...
By melgross on 7/21/2014 10:53:12 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know what people think of as cheap. But I've got their 150MBs service with the Ultimate Tv service, their highest, along with FIOS telephone service. We get a $5 rebate for my wife being 65, and another $10 for having Verizon for our cell plan.

This is a lot less than we were paying for all of those services as individual services from different companies, and we're pretty pleased about it.

With my daughter living with us, and a lot of her friends coming over with their notebooks, and all on the network at once, every bit of speed helps! The fact that they aren't charging more for this is a good sign. Over the years, their tiers have gone up in speed, while coming down in price. I'd be willing to take a bet that it will continue doing so.

And no, I really don't think Google has anything to do with this, because, as I said, this has been happening for years, even when there was no real competition for FIOS.

RE: I wish...
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 11:24:41 AM , Rating: 2
Cable and U-Verse have been increasing their speeds though. Seems like the plan is to be faster and cheaper than the others, always. Which is awesome.

RE: I wish...
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 12:22:03 PM , Rating: 2
And to clarify, I meant pricing on 500/500.

RE: I wish...
By soccerballtux on 7/21/2014 2:24:41 PM , Rating: 2
This was the reason they were building the FiOS network when everyone else thought the idea of fiber to the house was overpriced and a waste of money.

they still do. Verizon stopped expanding, shareholders didn't like it. They blew a lot of billions on building this out and it's going to take at least 20-30 years to recoup the costs. It didn't make sense honestly, I'm not sure what they were thinking. DOCSIS 3.0 is plenty fast for anyone's needs now and for a very long time in the future.

RE: I wish...
By Alexvrb on 7/21/2014 11:53:30 PM , Rating: 2
DOCSIS 3.0? There's so much more to it than peak bandwidth limits. What about bandwidth available during peak hours in a saturated area? What about reliability? Latency? I suffered with Prestige cable, and then suffered with Adelphia, and finally Comcast for years upon years. Support issues, reliability issues, ISP-owned equipment issues (both inside and outside of the house), you name it.

When FiOS became available we switched and it's like night and day. Plus they broke the near-monopoly they've had for years - at least in my area.

RE: I wish...
By Solandri on 7/21/2014 10:41:58 AM , Rating: 2
wow those are some nice speeds on Fios minus streaming issues with netflix..

It's not just Netflix. I had problems streaming HD video from Youtube until I made some changes to map out Verizon's locally hosted Youtube content (so it'll stream the video directly from Google). That was most aggravating paying for a 50/25 connection and not being able to stream a simple 720p video.

RE: I wish...
By Makaveli on 7/21/2014 11:25:11 AM , Rating: 2
Did you use the ISP Throttling trick posted here.

RE: I wish...
By Reclaimer77 on 7/21/2014 12:09:24 PM , Rating: 2
Verizon should just join Netflix's Open Connect. Although I can see why, from their point of view, they wouldn't want to.

My small ISP has been on the Open Connect CDN for over a year and I can stream everything just fine. Although honestly I could before too. Youtube is no problem either.

RE: I wish...
By name99 on 7/21/2014 2:35:44 PM , Rating: 2
Obsessing about bandwidth for MOST internet purposes is like obsessing about JS speed in a browser, or like camera megapixels --- it shows you're spec obsessed but don't understand the real issues.

Once you have adequate bandwidth (right now I'd put this at around 25Mbps or so) for MOST purposes, latency is what affects your internet "performance" far more than bandwidth. One way to see this is to visit a country far from the US, with good internet bandwidth numbers, and to try connecting to a lot of US-specific web sites. You'll feel much worse performance than in the US --- because the latency is so much worse.

VZW's support of these high bandwidths is useful if you plan to be doing something like ongoing off-site backups of your systems (though if VZW has aggressive data caps, so good bye to that plan).

But if you are a "normal" internet user who cares about two things
- I want web pages to "feel fast"
- I want video streaming to work well
VZW's numbers are basically meaningless.
For these to work well, VZW's network has to be INTELLIGENTLY connected to the various other providers in the internet through connections that are high-bandwidth (for video streaming) and that are close to where you live (for low latency).

But VZW appears utterly uninterested in INTELLIGENT connections to the rest of the internet. Their long-term game appears to be something like trying to FORCE content providers to host on their system by providing unacceptable connections outside the network.

So yeah, enjoy your 500Mbps if all you plan to do is backup your data to your friend's house, AND your friend is also on VZW. For any other purpose, it's basically useless.

RE: I wish...
By Labotomizer on 7/22/2014 10:02:03 AM , Rating: 2
Well, that escalated quickly...

I'm a Sr. Customer Support Engineer. I work from home. I work with VMware, the Microsoft stack (SQL, Server, Exchange, SharePoint), Cisco (route/switch, security, voice), F5 APM/LTM and I'm constantly working with new technologies. I also work from home about 80% of the time. So yes, a 500mpbs circuit would be nice for me but realistically I would take the 150mbps. That said, the availability of the higher end speed tiers pushes prices down for the lower end tiers. Is it really that difficult to understand?

I could put a 500mpbs circuit to use. Most people could not nor did I say as much. I said it would be nice to have. I understand the importance of latency versus raw speed. I understand why some applications suffer greatly from high latency while others do not. I get all that. It wasn't a comment on Verizon, it wasn't a comment on the way IP routing works, it wasn't a comment on how backbone routing works. It was a VERY simple statement that said "I wish I had 500/500 available."

Oh really?
By theplaidfad on 7/21/2014 9:30:52 AM , Rating: 5
quote: says that it wants to improve customer experience across the board...

Well then stop throttling my damn Netflix and Amazon Prime instant video.

-Signed: Everyone

RE: Oh really?
By bmmikee on 7/21/2014 10:24:56 AM , Rating: 2
I don't agree with throttling, i'm with you. They are stating the problem isn't with their network though, its the overloaded connections between Verizon and Netflix's provider which I think is level3.

RE: Oh really?
By Solandri on 7/21/2014 10:50:14 AM , Rating: 2
Level 3 is one of the biggest tier 1 providers out there. If Verizon has an overloaded connection with them, it's 99.99% sure to be Verizon's fault, not Level 3's.

It most certainly isn't Netflix's fault since other ISPs seem to have no problem delivering nearly twice the Netflix speed that Verizon does, most of them over that same Level 3 connection.

RE: Oh really?
By Azuroth on 7/21/2014 11:26:09 AM , Rating: 1
It is level3. They explain everything in this blog post:

The most interesting bit in there is where they offer to pay for upgrading VZ's interconnect, and to do the labor for them.

So in fact, we could fix this congestion in about five minutes simply by connecting up more 10Gbps ports on those routers. Simple. Something we’ve been asking Verizon to do for many, many months, and something other providers regularly do in similar circumstances. But Verizon has refused. So Verizon, not Level 3 or Netflix, causes the congestion. Why is that? Maybe they can’t afford a new port card because they’ve run out – even though these cards are very cheap, just a few thousand dollars for each 10 Gbps card which could support 5,000 streams or more. If that’s the case, we’ll buy one for them. Maybe they can’t afford the small piece of cable between our two ports. If that’s the case, we’ll provide it. Heck, we’ll even install it.

RE: Oh really?
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 12:29:51 PM , Rating: 1
Sure... the cards are cheap. The cables are cheap. Relatively speaking at any rate for companies on that scale. The problem is recurring bandwidth. It's also silly to think Level 3 is the only backbone provider that Verizon uses.

However it sounds less like purposeful throttling and more like refusing to pay for additional bandwidth. Because additional 10gbps circuits will cost more. Many, many times as much as the equipment used to connect them. Level 3 isn't going to give away bandwidth.

I always expected this to happen. Home speeds have scaled far faster than corporate connectivity. And there are limitations on backbones without spending a LOT of money. It's the entire reason the universities built internet 2.0 with the all new backbones. Unfortunately those are for academic use currently. It's far faster than our current backbone infrastructure however.

Unfortunately there's only so much that can be done to handle this. I'm not saying that Verizon (Comcast, TWC, etc) is innocent here, I just don't think they're as guilty as people like to say.

RE: Oh really?
By Samus on 7/21/2014 1:25:10 PM , Rating: 5
If it were Level3's fault, tricking your ISP with a VPN to your neighboring ISP shouldn't "fix" the throttling problem.

People have been debunking the throttle issue with VPN's to prove it is the ISP they have as proof of throttling since this became a topic.

RE: Oh really?
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 2:29:46 PM , Rating: 2
A VPN would change the routes. It also doesn't mean you're routing across the same backbone provider. It doesn't really prove anything.

RE: Oh really?
By Natfly on 7/22/2014 10:53:43 AM , Rating: 2
Except they aren't throttling, that part of their network just sucks.

Call me...
By villageidiotintern on 7/21/2014 9:59:22 AM , Rating: 1
...when ISPs begin competing with each other for customers.

RE: Call me...
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 12:25:28 PM , Rating: 3
Verizon does compete. They're competing with Comcast, TWC and AT&T in all their markets. On the copper side VZW/ATT have their local contracts, but fiber is a different story altogether.

RE: Call me...
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/21/2014 6:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
No, they aren't. I have CC or CenturyLink. No Verizon, so no, they aren't competing in all markets.

RE: Call me...
By Labotomizer on 7/22/2014 8:50:02 AM , Rating: 2
I see now I could have been more clear in my wording. I meant that the markets where FiOS exists they are competing with existing cable companies.

Are you kidding me?
By Ahnilated on 7/21/2014 10:12:45 AM , Rating: 1
This isn't an upgrade, they just removed the upload restrictions that have been in place so they could charge businesses more money for a symmetrical connection. How daft do they think the public are?

RE: Are you kidding me?
By Labotomizer on 7/21/2014 10:22:03 AM , Rating: 2
Businesses always pay more. In exchange you get better response to issues, usually same or next business day on a circuit like this, for a price that is far, far less than what an equivalent enterprise grade connection would cost. Which means you can use lower speed MPLS, Metro-E or other such options for critical services and a circuit like this for everything else. It also gives you redundancy for a fraction of what it used to cost.

RE: Are you kidding me?
By bmmikee on 7/21/2014 10:23:19 AM , Rating: 2
I'm confused, its the same cost? I just upgraded mine from 150/75 to 150/150 for the exact same price. How are they charging more?

RE: Are you kidding me?
By melgross on 7/21/2014 10:56:44 AM , Rating: 2
You know, it's tiring to see people, with their ignorance, make negative statements, just because they like hating one company, while loving another.

Browse at 500Mbps on Verizon and 500Kbps on Netflix
By tayb on 7/21/2014 9:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
Enjoy insanely fast internet on sites that Verizon doesn't think compete with their core services!

Everywhere else enjoy dial up!

Fuck Verizon.

By imaheadcase on 7/21/2014 10:42:20 AM , Rating: 2
Stop crying about that, all you got to do is download it from newsgroup. Take you all but 30seconds to download any movie you want.

By mik123 on 7/21/2014 5:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about?

Speed is great but
By Natfly on 7/22/2014 11:01:54 AM , Rating: 2
I subscribe to the 150/65 and it's fast enough for my needs. I'd rather them focus on fixing shoddy areas of their network. Having repeated brief outages is extremely aggravating. I'm honestly thinking about getting a comcast or cox line added to peer them up.

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