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This is the droid you were looking for

While the iPhone has been a very popular phone with consumers, one of the most criticized aspects of the phone has been its network which is supported by AT&T. According to recent reports, the 30% iPhone dropped call rate in NYC is considered "normal".

Verizon's most recent attack on the iPhone came in the form of "There's a map for that" ads which poked fun at AT&T's 3G coverage in the United States. While those ads -- which were a humorous take on AT&T's "There's an app for that" commercials -- threw a few jabs at the Apple/AT&T dynasty, Verizon's newest ad campaign is full of powerful combinations.

In a new commercial which aired tonight according to Engadget, Verizon once again goes with similar iPhone themes (music and font in this case) to attack all of the things that the AT&T/iPhone can't do or doesn't physically have. Some of the gems in the commercial include "iDon't have a real keyboard", "iDon't run simultaneous apps", "iDon't allow open development", and "iDon't have interchangeable batteries".

The commercial then shifts gears and goes all "mech" on the viewer to advertise the upcoming Motorola Droid which will use Google's Android 2.0 operating system. While the Motorola Droid isn't shown in the commercial, Verizon points users to a teaser site at droiddoes.com.

Verizon's hard stance against the iPhone sheds quite a bit of doubt on Apple's iPhone coming to its next generation LTE network (as many Verizon customers and burned AT&T customers have pined for); however, stranger things have happened.

It remains to be seen if the Motorola Droid will have what it takes to dethrone Apple's iPhone in the hearts and minds of American consumers and push more customers to Verizon's network. If the Droid isn't enough, it'll have plenty of help from the Blackberry Storm2 and the Verizon Palm Pre.





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two wrongs don't make a right
By someguy123 on 10/18/2009 12:28:53 AM , Rating: 5
but it still feels right.

glad to see a company finally going after apple the same way they go after microsoft.




RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By sprockkets on 10/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By Targon on 10/18/2009 6:01:36 AM , Rating: 4
The cheap machines that "Microsoft doesn't make" all come with Windows Vista and soon Windows 7, which is the point that Microsoft was trying to make. With Apple, you are locked into buying an Apple made computer(without violating the license for MacOS X).

Basically, Microsoft pushes the idea that you can run Windows on pretty much any x86 based machine with enough system memory to handle it. That is a fair approach.

Now, Verizon clearly can't really claim any superiority in devices that work on their network since RIM/Blackberry has devices for all the providers. So, they attack the one big device that AT&T has that they do not. The stupid thing is that AT&T has other phones that have a real keyboard, and will probably be releasing a Palm Pre for AT&T the moment the Sprint exclusivity contract expires, which also has a real keyboard.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By theapparition on 10/18/2009 10:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
Signifigantly more likely to see the Pre on Verizon, since both are CDMA.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By Targon on 10/19/2009 6:16:13 AM , Rating: 2
GSM is the standard across Europe, and since the Pre has just been released over there, it is just about the contracts right now. Yes, there will probably be a Verizon version released shortly as well, but it is really more about WHEN we see the Pre available for other networks rather than if.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By omnicronx on 10/18/2009 11:21:21 AM , Rating: 2
Verizon, a provider of cell phone and data services, whom also SELL PHONES. Who cares if they don't make them, Verizon is still trying to sell phones that directly compete with the iPhone. It should not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By sprockkets on 10/18/2009 8:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
Which is why the US sucks with our stupid "let's sign you up for a 2-year contract with a restricted phone, pda level phone or not."

Still, aside from one commercial that Verizon did to mock the same BB phone on another network, when have you seen a carrier mock a phone so directly? That's called desperate.

I like Android phones, but their hardware just sucks. Hopefully these new models will compensate. And they better have finally added BT file sharing, because if they haven't, I'm not upgrading from my Motorola A1200.

And at least Android is number 2 in popularity with my friends, making it easy to work with more people.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By theapparition on 10/18/2009 10:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
You absolutely do not have to sign up for a 2 year contract with any carrier. Just buy the phone outright, they even advertise the non-contract price.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By callmeroy on 10/19/2009 2:37:14 PM , Rating: 2
theapparition beat me to the punch on this....

Who ever thinks you HAVE to sign a 2 year contract to get a phone in the US is a MORON. Why? Because they ignore one the basic common sense things in life that most people don't even have to be told they just "sense" its a smart thing to do --- read before you sign.

I just got a new cell phone two weeks ago from AT&T (no not an i phone) and its clearly stated that I don't have to sign a contract. However the phone will cost xxx dollars if I don't sign one and I'm not eligible for any rebates w/o the contract signing.

The single biggest reason why carriers lock you into contracts is because they subsidize all or most the cost of the actual phone. The agreement is like the carrier saying "Hey we'll cover the cost of this phone if you promise to stay with us for 24 months so we can recover our cost and make some profit."

Considering w/o an agreement some smart phones would cost you $500 or more out of pocket , I think most folks are ok with a 2 year deal.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By jhb116 on 10/18/2009 1:46:43 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you see - this is part of a greater plan. This is part of a 2 prong strategy: get consumers to understand AT&T's 3G network is not that great (or at least doesn't provide much nationwide coverage) and put some pressure on Apple to not renew their exclusivity contract with AT&T. The ispoofs support the later part of that strategy. I think its genius since Apple/Jobs are nearly psychotic about protecting their "brand."


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By bigboxes on 10/19/2009 12:01:02 AM , Rating: 2
CheapER. Not cheap. There's a $500 premium for that translucent Apple logo on comparable units. Apple just can't compete with educated people, only those that think they are educated.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By lecanard on 10/19/2009 4:07:01 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I guess it comes down to preference (strong preference, to pay 500 extra). Even a lot of computer science university faculty have apple computers though, so even some of the actually educated seem to like them. I don't understand why myeslf. I always chuckle to myself when they have to look for their silly little adapters whenever they try to plug their macbook into a projector, since I guess Macs don't have real video out ports. Personally, I would pay a Microsoft tax of $500 to be able to use windows, because I like Windows 7 and like running any software I want. Software compatibility-wise, macs have come a long way, but are still not even close to PCs.


RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By MrSmurf on 10/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: two wrongs don't make a right
By keith524 on 10/19/2009 12:45:06 PM , Rating: 2
For the most part I would agree, there are a couple of areas where the iPhone just doesn't meet my needs though.
1) I want to listen to internet radio and text/email at the same time.
2)I want my events for today (from the calendar) to display automatically on the home screen/lock-screen.

Currently, I do both of these on a jailbroken iPhone but it sucks I have to jailbreak it to do something that simple.


RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
By SiliconAddict on 10/18/2009 4:27:33 AM , Rating: 4
iTards to your battle stations! Apple is being attacked. Defend the ONE at all costs.
FUD shock troops to your stations! Initiate operation Kool Aid.
Begin disseminating the Apple approved lies through normal inter fanboi channels immediately. We must stop any real information from being understood by normal people, less they leave us.
Remember Apple is Mother. Apple is Father. We are family and they are the enemy. That is all.




RE: RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
By Tony Swash on 10/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
By Pirks on 10/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
By Alexstarfire on 10/19/2009 2:05:19 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently some people forgot to turn on their sarcasm units this morning.


RE: RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
By fearrun on 10/19/2009 9:09:48 AM , Rating: 5
Apple does not have an app for sarcasm.

All humor must be strictly approved by them.


RE: RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
By XBMCFan on 10/19/2009 2:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
You sir deserve a 6 for making me LOL at work! That was priceless.


RE: RED ALERT! RED ALERT!
By SirKronan on 10/20/2009 12:11:17 AM , Rating: 2
I actually have a friend that LOVES Macs. He worships them, and he openly admits it. He says things like "Apple is Mother" and "Apple is Father" ...

For those of you that don't believe people like this exist, THEY DO!

And for the record, he and THREE other employees at the electronics store where I worked actually left Verizon just to get the iPhone. Every single one of them now HATES AT&T but still loves the functionality and completeness of their iPhones. Their AT&T coverage sucks. They've got FIVE BARS and their internet is slow, 3G just randomly disappears, and they drop calls. I would actually consider the iPhone if it wasn't with "GAY"T&T.

Now this commercial explicitly states almost every single major gripe I have with the iPhone in a blunt and poignant way. If they can correct even just some of those major points AND go with a different effing network then they will sell a LOT more phones.


How would that even work?
By Jalek on 10/18/2009 12:30:18 AM , Rating: 1
With iPhones you have iTunes, MP3's, CD's, podcasts, and possible music from many sources.

For apps you're locked (normally) with both. With VCast though, Verizone's always done all they can to stop anyone from even getting ringtones not purchased from them.

I would expect Verizon to lock anything they get down even more than the iPhone has been by Apple.




RE: How would that even work?
By petschska on 10/18/2009 12:45:43 AM , Rating: 4
Smartphones are treated differently on Verizon than the rest. Verizon does nothing to stop you from loading ringtones onto a BlackBerry. The same would obviously go for this phone.


RE: How would that even work?
By mathiastck on 10/18/2009 4:07:38 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly, Verizon has treated my blackberry very well. Plus google has thrown their support behind this, I believe they held up the droid at the join google verizon press conference. Google has been good about required open ness if the phone was going to "come with google."


RE: How would that even work?
By BOWTHERKINDLY on 10/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: How would that even work?
By nascar246788 on 10/18/2009 1:17:23 AM , Rating: 3
yeah verizon treats smart phones different. I loaded my own music onto my phone and I can use it as a ring tone. So free ring tones that are music of my choosing.


RE: How would that even work?
By mcnabney on 10/18/2009 2:41:51 AM , Rating: 2
Do you even know what you are talking about?

Smartphones can have ringtones sent to them directly from any source.

Regular phones, you will need to send an appropriately sized and formated (mp3) file as a message attachment. Once received, it can be saved and selected as a ringtone.

This has been true for every Verizon phone I have had in the last six years.


RE: How would that even work?
By Omega215D on 10/19/2009 4:41:28 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, well I loaded MP3s to my VZW LG enV Touch by way of microSD card which can also be used as ringtones... albeit long ringtones.

Verizon hasn't locked down their phones as much as they have in the past but that was mostly with Motorola phones. Samsungs, Nokias and LG didn't really have much of a lockdown.


iPhone Signal
By Alexstarfire on 10/18/2009 1:35:09 AM , Rating: 2
One thing that seems to be pretty common is low signal strength on the iPhone. I was at the mall today with my friend and happen to end up talking about Christmas gifts we were getting for other people. She mentioned that she was getting a signal booster for her dad because he gets poor signal. Naturally curious I wondered what phone he was using..... iPhone on the AT&T network. Classic. I almost started to laugh when she told me that, but thankfully I held it together. Was really tempted to tell her to have her dad just get another phone, expect that the booster she wanted to get is supposed to work across all networks cause apparently her step-mother has the same problem on Verizon, I think that the right network. Could be T-Mobile though.




RE: iPhone Signal
By cmdrdredd on 10/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: iPhone Signal
By zerocool84 on 10/19/2009 1:34:27 AM , Rating: 2
Yes but people want the iPhone so bad they could care less what network it's on. No phone is worth using AT&T. They are so horrible. Overpriced for the service they provide.


RE: iPhone Signal
By Alexstarfire on 10/19/2009 2:00:02 AM , Rating: 2
Dude, when my phone works just fine in the same place an iPhone doesn't, on the same network...... I just don't know what else I can say. You don't have to believe me and I do believe that it is the user's problem just as well as the phone manufacturer's.

It's not like I have signal issues with my phone. Even with 0 bars, or so it says anyway, I can still make and receive phone calls. Granted I almost never see my phone with 0 bars unless it's next to something that blocks signals.


RE: iPhone Signal
By Omega215D on 10/19/2009 4:46:34 AM , Rating: 2
Not defending the iPhone but bars just best guesses on signal strength and not very accurate. On my LG I was able to make calls with "1X" showing but no bars and all calls came in loud and clear. It only matters when you see a nice slash going across the little antenna icon and "Searching" headline.


RE: iPhone Signal
By Alexstarfire on 10/20/2009 11:53:30 PM , Rating: 2
My phone has only ever done that when turning it on though. Of course I don't go into the middle of the ocean or try to use it on a plane.... so perhaps I just have reception all the time.


Isn't competition wonderful?
By sprockkets on 10/18/2009 1:47:27 AM , Rating: 2
Poor, poor Verizon. It only took the iphone for them to realize that customers don't like cell phone providers that castrate their phones with VCast Music and BREW apps and remove BT features and WiFi. You criticizing Apple for their app policies while you pulled your own BS in the past 5 years is rich.

Hey Verizon, how's your visual voicemail system going? Even tiny T-Mobile has it now, so you better catch up.

Oh, and one more thing Verizon, just because Att's 3G coverage sucks, doesn't mean their 2.5G coverage does.




RE: Isn't competition wonderful?
By mcnabney on 10/18/2009 2:46:14 AM , Rating: 2
All that 'castration' is just required copy protection that is required by Qualcom and BREW. Sorry, but there is no SecureROM for phones. The only way to protect the content is to lock the doors (BT profiles). Technology has advanced so it isn't necessary anymore. Lots of new Verizon phones even have WiFi now.


RE: Isn't competition wonderful?
By crleap on 10/18/2009 2:01:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh, and one more thing Verizon, just because Att's 3G coverage sucks, doesn't mean their 2.5G coverage does


oh GOD but it DOES SUCK! it sucks the life right out of my battery as it's constantly searching for a signal after leaving the nearest 3g city...


RE: Isn't competition wonderful?
By Omega215D on 10/19/2009 4:51:01 AM , Rating: 2
Are you talking about the Verizon of 2 - 3 years ago? The only phones I had that were locked down by Verizon were by Motorola (except the E815) and that all changed when I moved on to Samsung or LG phones and I'm not even talking about their smartphones.


iDon't need
By teweldemat on 10/18/2009 2:00:32 AM , Rating: 2
A possible response to this commercial from Apple can be:
iDon't need physical keyboad, iDon't need to run multiple applications, iDon't need open development (at least those that are too open to end up being messy and confusing)




RE: iDon't need
By bust rod on 10/18/2009 10:23:55 AM , Rating: 3
In other words, "If iDont have it - you don't need it!"


RE: iDon't need
By NesuD on 10/18/2009 4:14:37 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
uDon't need physical keyboad, uDon't need to run multiple applications, uDon't need open development (at least those that are too open to end up being messy and confusing)


Fixed!


Trademarks out of hand?
By oTAL on 10/19/2009 4:26:00 AM , Rating: 2
I just learned from the webpage mentioned in the article that, apparently, Lucasfilm owns the word 'droid' (I'm pretty sure that's related to the Star Wars franchise).

Does this mean that any company that wants to commercially use this word, which is pretty common these days, has to pay a fee? WTF?!




RE: Trademarks out of hand?
By Bateluer on 10/19/2009 9:31:34 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently. I'd name the phone something else to avoid paying Lucas anything.


RE: Trademarks out of hand?
By Yawgm0th on 10/19/2009 1:34:52 PM , Rating: 2
The color Blue is a registered trademark of the Dow Jones Chemical Company.

Yes, IP law is out of control in the US.


Apple and Verizon
By Anonymous88 on 10/18/2009 11:39:36 AM , Rating: 1
A couple things in the comments I noticed that I'd like to add-

-Verizon isnt going after Apple in as much as they are targeting AT&T, whose coverage, does indeed stink-not an opinion, its pretty much fact. That and really its just verizon emphasizing one of thier strengths and downplaying thier "weakness" of not always having the "coolest" phones. No different then what most other company's and even people do-you don't go into a job interview and explain all your faults! you go in and you tell em where your better then anyone else, not much of a difference here in my eyes...

-Yes verizon to a certain extent locks down thier stuff-not defending it, but point to me a cell provider that DOESNT do this, and as has been pointed out, the apple iTARDS jumping on this as normal fail to see how crAPPLE typically locks down it's stuff far worse. Essentially any decent size company with the intent of MAKING MONEY is going to use such tactics to one extent or the other-once again, crAPPLE typically is FAR worse then any of the other companies it points its fingers at, however, it seems to get a pass because its seen as "cool"- Hypocrisy at its best! I'm not defending the practice for either one, since I feel its a bit of bs either way (alot of BS in crAPPLE's case), but its capitalism, and at least we have the freedom to have the choices and to whine and complain. Besides, with even a small amount of searching, there is an easy workaround to verizon's lockdown-a program called bitpim, it's allowed me to load ringtones and videos without fail-works great (i'm on an LG chocolate 3 btw (the flip version) but I think it works for most non smartphones which operate on CDMA as well

- back to signal strength and network- I drove a semi long distance/over-the road from about 05 through about 07, and sporadically since then and having covered a huge portion of the US, including many out of the way locations, i can say that verizon's coverage trumps all the other cell providers nearly all of the time-i can't tell you the number of times i saw folks who had this or that provider, and couldnt get service, when I would have at least one or two bars, if not full, signal strenght-and this was with your standard verizon LG flip phones-nothing fancy, not even push-to-talk. I'm not some fanboy-if there was a cheaper alternative with similar coverage I'd switch, but from personal experience right now there isnt and if I break down in some forsaken place, i need a phone that (and this may be hard for some crAPPLE/AT&T fantards to understand) just works! With only one exception, Verizon has (the one exception being an instance near Calexico CA when I was so close to the mexican border I picked up a mexican cell tower-still had service, but would have had to dial 1 (country code) to call the US, even though I hadn't technically left-driving a 1/4 mile north solved this issue) In addition, while in college (the reason I stopped driving full time) we had some classrooms underground (no windows) built in the 50's or so-can't tell you how many folks with other carriers had trouble in this situation-myself, I could sit and get nearly full strength all day-never any problems there either....




RE: Apple and Verizon
By AlexWade on 10/18/2009 6:21:10 PM , Rating: 2
AT&T stinks in many places but not everywhere. Outside of major cities, AT&T is actually quite good. I know because I have AT&T and ever since the "fewest dropped calls" commercials many years ago, I have not a single issue. I don't have 3G. The key to determine where AT&T is good is how big the city is. The smaller the city, the better the service. If I drive 45 minutes, I get 3G but also get more problems, usually because of a full tower. But since the service is more than adequate where I live and since I am grandfathered into a great rate plan, I don't change.

I've noticed that Verizon has AT&T envy. Does Verizon attack Sprint? No. When AT&T had the most customers, Verizon bought the best cell carrier ever (in my opinion), Alltel. Alltel had great coverage, great server, and great prices. Bam, Verizon now has the most customers. Then AT&T counters with the Apple fanboys. So Verizon counters with yet another subtle dig. It seems like all of Verizon mantra is "we are SOOOO much better than AT&T". It is childish and juvenile. Let your service speak for itself. It already is better than AT&T, let word of mouth carry over.


RE: Apple and Verizon
By Yawgm0th on 10/19/2009 2:48:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
AT&T stinks in many places but not everywhere. Outside of major cities, AT&T is actually quite good. I know because I have AT&T and ever since the "fewest dropped calls" commercials many years ago, I have not a single issue. I don't have 3G. The key to determine where AT&T is good is how big the city is. The smaller the city, the better the service. If I drive 45 minutes, I get 3G but also get more problems, usually because of a full tower. But since the service is more than adequate where I live and since I am grandfathered into a great rate plan, I don't change.
This is exactly contrary to my experience. Maybe this is true in New York and LA, but here in Minneapolis/St. Paul this is not the case. The farther you get from the cities, the less likely you are to get full 3G. There are pretty much three major areas (twin cities, Rochester, Winona) with good 3G coverage, and the rest of the state (90% rural/small towns) barely has cell coverage.

Same thing in North Dakota, but even more extreme. If you are within 40 miles of Bismarck or Fargo, you get coverage, maybe even 3G. Everywhere else there is no coverage.

quote:

I've noticed that Verizon has AT&T envy. Does Verizon attack Sprint?
AT&T is Verizon's only serious competitor. Anti-trust laws and AT&T are the only serious reason Verizon isn't a monopoly.


How good is an iPhone?
By Chaser on 10/18/2009 2:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
...as good as the chorus of non-owners that have an uncontrollable excessive need to knock them. Yeah it's that good!

My iPhone is an awesome phone. It works great from coast to coast and I travel considerably. But reading the FUD rants on here makes me feel even more satisfied with my choice.

Thanks guys! Keep them coming :)




iPhone on Verizon
By gameman733 on 10/18/2009 2:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Verizon's hard stance against the iPhone sheds quite a bit of doubt on Apple's iPhone coming to its next generation LTE network (as many Verizon customers and burned AT&T customers have pined for); however, stranger things have happened.


From a marketing perspective, imagine the damage they could do by treating the iPhone as second rate on their network, behind their new Droid. Apple probably wouldn't go for it, but it doesn't mean the possibility is ruled out.




Re: Apple locks you in
By Julio McGillicuddy on 10/18/2009 10:42:03 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, please don't throw me into that briar patch. Being locked into Apple hardware is like being locked into being wealthy or being locked into making love to a beautiful movie star. Please save me from such a fate!!!




WTF
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/19/2009 3:23:09 AM , Rating: 2
Does anyone else see the ultimate irony in VERIZON making these statements? They do more than any other carrier in terms of locking down their phones and their featuresets. What hypocrisy. Maybe it will be different with their new phone but I'll wait and see, you don't do an about face on years of standard policy just like that.




In Case Anyone Cares
By phaxmohdem on 10/19/2009 4:19:29 AM , Rating: 2
Because I was bored, I just decoded the count down timer on the page: It read 10 Days, 20 Hours, 57 Mins, 50 Seconds based on the screen cap I took, Which means that the countdown will end at Midnight on Thursday Oct 29th.




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