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VW E-Up! Concept
Tiny concept is only 3.19 meters long

VW has debuted a new concept car that it is calling the Beetle of the 21st century. The official name of the concept is the E-Up! and it is a zero emission electric vehicle that debuted at the IAA in Berlin. VW claims that the vehicle's lithium-ion battery pack weighs 500 pounds.

The relatively lightweight battery pack means that the complete vehicle weighs 2,387 pounds. The entire length of the tiny vehicle is 3.19 meters and the car is 1.64 meters wide and 1.47 meters high with a 2.19 meter wheelbase which makes the E-Up! the smallest VW ever produced.

The E-Up! has an odd 3+1 seat arrangement in which the passenger seat in the front is about five inches further forward than the driver's seat – that increases the legroom for the person behind the passenger seat.

On the roof of the concept is a 1.4 square meter solar panel that can add power to the battery pack as the car drives around and sits. If a slightly larger surface area is needed for charging there is also a solar panel on the sun visors that bring the total panel space to 1.7 square meters.

The electricity is used to power a smallish electric motor making 155-lb-ft of torque. The concept is about as far from a performance vehicle as you can get and its actual performance proves that. The car will hit 60 mph in about 11 seconds. The car has an all-electric driving range of 62 miles and is designed for city dwellers.

The vehicle is expected to go into production in 2013.



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Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By 3minence on 9/15/2009 12:10:07 PM , Rating: 5
Looking at the interior picture, I think I see an inch or two for the legs of whoever is in the back seat, but maybe it's a trick of the light. If it's like the back seat of my wife's Mini Cooper, I hope it includes a saw to just cut off my legs and put them in the trunk (boot). The back seat is small and very uncomfortable with no leg room.




By kattanna on 9/15/2009 12:14:45 PM , Rating: 1
honestly though.. would you want to be seen riding around in the back of one of those anyways?


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FITCamaro on 9/15/2009 12:29:36 PM , Rating: 2
Nah. When the regular car hits you, THAT takes your legs off.

I mean sh*t a Prius is a big car compared to this thing. Maybe people in Europe are that small but we in the US come a bit bigger.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FITCamaro on 9/15/09, Rating: 0
By randomposter on 9/15/2009 12:52:33 PM , Rating: 4
If his car (a Smart) suits him, and your car (a Camaro) suits you, why the fuck would you care enough to make any kind of comment at all? Are you seriously so lacking in self esteem that you need to say shit like this (whether to his face or on an internet forum after the fact) to make yourself feel better?


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By walk2k on 9/15/2009 1:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
If it doesn't have 15 cupholders, heated leather seats, 18 speaker-DVD entertainment system and a gun rack Americans can't drive it.


By FITCamaro on 9/15/2009 2:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yes because gun racks come standard on cars in the US. My gun is in the glove box.


By howardluo on 9/16/2009 9:37:00 AM , Rating: 2
I really don't care much for gun racks that come standard with all American cars. I just can't live without the built in coffee brewer.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FITCamaro on 9/15/2009 2:03:47 PM , Rating: 2
I need a reason to find something funny? The dude barely fit in the car so clearly he wasn't driving it for comfort. He could have bought a larger vehicle that got the same or better mileage for the same or less money.


By GaryJohnson on 9/15/2009 3:18:25 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need a reason to be funny, but you weren't being funny.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By Koder on 9/15/09, Rating: 0
By log on 9/15/2009 7:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
Brilliant!!!


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By Spivonious on 9/15/2009 1:14:36 PM , Rating: 2
Oh forgive me, great one, I am but a skinny man who bows to your obesity of knowledge.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By Spivonious on 9/15/2009 1:18:44 PM , Rating: 3
Seriously though, why is it always assumed that Europe has smaller cars because Americans are physically bigger? If anything, European cars are smaller because their city streets were designed well before automobiles came on the scene.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By TomZ on 9/15/2009 1:41:51 PM , Rating: 3
...not to mention fuel prices costing 2-4X what they do here in the States. I would guess that is the dominating factor.

The streets are not so narrow that you need smaller cars...


By omnicronx on 9/15/2009 3:12:43 PM , Rating: 4
Sure they are.. one of the first things you will notice is the lack of parking space, especially in many of the condensed cities where most people live in apartments and condos. While I think you are bang on with the dominating factor, the engine size is not the only reason cars are smaller in europe.

For example fuel prices here in Canada are almost 1/3 more than the US in many places, sometimes more. Yet we probably have larger cars on average than the states. One would the the vast area that Canada covers must play into this. You can't be driving around in rural streets with a car 3 meters long.(especially in the winter).

The population in european cities is quite dense, there can be thousands of people per square mile and if every second person had an large vehicle like here in North America, the streets would be even more ridiculous than they are now.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By ctodd on 9/15/2009 4:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
I believe they are taxed on the size of the engine as well. At least that is what I was told when I lived in Germany.


By log on 9/15/2009 7:49:56 PM , Rating: 2
They are taxed to the size of the engine AND how much CO2 they emit.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FaaR on 9/16/2009 5:23:40 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, the streets certainly ARE so narrow you need smaller cars. Well, not narrow per se, they're wide enough to accomodate even the most ridiculous of vehicles seen on the streets in north america, but they're convoluted and *crowded*.

Have you ever been to the inner cities of say, London or Paris? Imagine what things would look like if U.S. SUVs and pickups were the norm. Hell, you couldn't find a single parking space big enough to fit a Ford F250 for example.

Giant cars with 1 person in each FTL. A thought North America is slowly waking up to...


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By Spuke on 9/16/2009 12:17:21 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Giant cars with 1 person in each FTL. A thought North America is slowly waking up to...
What makes a small car any better with one person than a large one. What does the size of the vehicle have to do with how many people are in it? If you're going to look at it this way, why have 4 door sedans with only one person in them? Maybe we should all be driving 2 door, 2 seat cars or even one seat cars.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FaaR on 9/16/2009 2:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
I can't believe you're even asking that question. The answer should be self-explanatory.

If you have a road full of seven meter long full-size pickup trucks bumper to bumper that weigh 3.5 tons each and are powered by 6.5-liter V8s, all with 1 person each in them, versus a road full of say Smart compact cars with 1 person each in them...how many people is the road able to carry in each case?

How much fuel and other resources is used to transport said people? How much wear on the road surface? ...And so on and so forth.


By Spuke on 9/16/2009 2:46:34 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
how many people is the road able to carry in each case?
The same amount of people it carried before.

quote:
If you have a road full of seven meter long full-size pickup trucks bumper to bumper that weigh 3.5 tons each and are powered by 6.5-liter V8s
Which trucks have 6.5L V8's again?

quote:
How much fuel and other resources is used to transport said people? How much wear on the road surface? ...And so on and so forth.
Don't know how it is where you're from but, in the US, semi trucks preform the most wear on our roads next to the weather. You're not going to see a significant decrease in road wear by not driving trucks/SUV's because as far as the road is concerned, the weight difference is not that significant. But there is a significant difference between roads traveled by semi trucks and roads not traveled by them.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By Iaiken on 9/15/2009 2:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
The word "designed" implies precision, I would use the word "built"... In some areas it is such a tangled mess that they simply make them "pedestrian only" zones. Yes they still have mass transit in these areas and you can still drive inside most of these automotive no-go areas with the correct permit to do so.

Even newer city sections that grew up before the automobile are automotive clusterf***s because of the lack of space. Seriously, drive in Montreal's old port... I dare you!

I did have to laugh about FIT's comment about American's being bigger... Instead of staying fit and healthy, they just build bigger cars. I'm a fit 6' even and my Mini Cooper JCW is more than comfortable... For me anyway... I didn't buy it for the people willing to cram themselves in the back seat.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FITCamaro on 9/15/2009 2:56:30 PM , Rating: 2
I'm 6'1 and about 210. Work out 3 days a week. Have about 5 pounds I'm still trying to lose.

I was impressed with how much room is in the Mini Cooper for the driver and passenger. And while I won't be in the back seat, I like to at least have one. My GTO actually has a very roomy back seat, just a challenge for some to get back there since its a 2 door.

I want a car larger than a golf cart though. People with Smart cars though I laugh at since there are other cars out there with the same or better mileage which are larger and about the same price.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By andrinoaa on 9/15/2009 5:29:24 PM , Rating: 2
So what your saying is that YOUR tastes are more important than someone else's. Your a bogan through and through. So long as you can suck gas through your carb, nothing else has a place. I say Osama has a point when he says Americans think through the tip of their guns.


By TomZ on 9/15/2009 5:48:02 PM , Rating: 1
No, Osama, and you, are wrong. What an ignorant statement.


By Spuke on 9/16/2009 12:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I say Osama has a point when he says Americans think through the tip of their guns.
Are you really siding with Osama Bin Laden? The same guy that did this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU
http://www.september11news.com/
http://www.newsweek.com/id/215044
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/lists/by...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/11/us.sept.11/index....

Is your point so important that you would even side with a murderer of 3000 innocents? A person that would kill, without hesitation, YOURSELF and YOUR family? I'm interested in your answer and await what you have to say for yourself.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FaaR on 9/16/2009 5:27:15 AM , Rating: 2
If your ego's so large you need a big car to fit it in then you need a rethink my friend.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By Spuke on 9/16/2009 12:43:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If your ego's so large you need a big car to fit it in then you need a rethink my friend.
If YOUR ego is so large that you feel you are right to tell others what to do with their lives then YOU need to rethink.


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By FaaR on 9/16/2009 2:11:34 PM , Rating: 2
If YOUR ego's so large you can't handle people voicing their opinions - about your car, or other matters - then you can piss off to soviet russia.

And if your ego's so large you think you should be allowed to drive any size vehicle just because you want to, then you need a reality check as well.


By Spuke on 9/16/2009 2:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If YOUR ego's so large you can't handle people voicing their opinions
So you won't mind if I insult you, as long as it's my opinion, right?

quote:
And if your ego's so large you think you should be allowed to drive any size vehicle just because you want to, then you need a reality check as well.
Didn't you just say that? Does repeating it make it more important?


By Reclaimer77 on 9/16/2009 9:06:15 AM , Rating: 2
Wrong. They drive smaller cars because they are economically forced to. Just like we are slowly being forced into smaller cars due to financial reasons.

Rich Europeans drive SUV's and luxury cars and exotics. Why? Because they can.


By FightinSideOfMe on 9/16/2009 12:02:29 PM , Rating: 2
"Maybe people in Europe are that small but we in the US come a bit bigger."
Wrong.
Just looking at men, they're taller in the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, Turkey, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Austria, Belgium, Estonia and Hungary. Depending on the age range and race you focus on, you can basically add Greece, Switzerland, Spain, Ireland, the UK and France to that list. The results are similar for women. And there's no reasonable way to look at it that shows any European country having an average height more than an inch shorter than ours.
Unless you just meant that Americans are fatter. Then you might have something. Is that what you meant? That Americans are fat?


RE: Does it include a saw to cut off your legs?
By Iaiken on 9/15/2009 4:11:38 PM , Rating: 2
At least it's not one of these:

http://jalopnik.com/5359464/peugeot-bb1-concept-fr...

Seriously? What were they thinking?


By zzeoss on 9/16/2009 1:58:15 AM , Rating: 2
OMG KILL IT KILL IT!!


By LRonaldHubbs on 9/16/2009 9:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
OMG, it's the new goatse! That car is far more offensive than any shock image to date. The individuals responsible for that hideous creation should be burned at the stake to purge the demons from their souls.


By mars2k on 9/15/2009 4:51:43 PM , Rating: 1
Can't we all just get along? This is a neat car. The idea of a PV panel on the roof makes sense if you drive to work and park your car for 8 hrs. Get the PV efficiencies up and you've got something. Also I find small is a relative term. There is Japanese-small and there is Euro-small. A car designed for the average German works for me


What?
By Spuke on 9/15/2009 12:04:02 PM , Rating: 1
155 lb-ft and 2300 lbs and it STILL only manages 0-60 in 11 seconds? How much hp does it have? 2?




RE: What?
By headbox on 9/15/2009 12:22:12 PM , Rating: 1
Notice how quickly the marketing of EV torque numbers has dropped HP ratings altogether- and the "news" just regurgitates the press releases.

0-60 in 11 is still enough for daily driving.


RE: What?
By Spuke on 9/15/2009 1:57:57 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
0-60 in 11 is still enough for daily driving.
It's excusable if you're towing a 5th wheel but that's not enough for a safe entry on an American freeway unless you live in Montana. Dude, my truck could do that towing my horse trailer!! That is unacceptable performance for a car.


RE: What?
By walk2k on 9/15/2009 2:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
It's not a race car. 11 sec. 0-60 is fine for a max-economy car. It's probably faster than a lot of old beaters on the road.

Besides, when do you ever merge onto the highway from a dead stop? The 40-60mph time is more important for highway merging, and I'm sure it's less than 10 seconds.


RE: What?
By WeaselITB on 9/15/2009 2:34:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Besides, when do you ever merge onto the highway from a dead stop?

In the Twin Cities area, merging onto a highway from a dead stop is an everyday occurance during rush hours - http://www.dot.state.mn.us/rampmeter/


RE: What?
By xsilver on 9/15/2009 3:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
When the ramp meter is on, the traffic flow should already be at least semi heavy, there will be no possibility of getting up to the speed limit anyways.


RE: What?
By Spuke on 9/15/2009 3:04:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's not a race car. 11 sec. 0-60 is fine for a max-economy car. It's probably faster than a lot of old beaters on the road.
You have no argument so you throw in the race car response. Here I'll help you.

Typical American people movers (0-60)
Honda Accord 4 cyl (7.5)
Toyota Camry 4 cyl (8.6)
Honda Civic (7.7)
Toyota Corolla/Matrix (7.9)
Ford Fusion 4 cyl (8.0)

These are the base engined cars not the V6 or higher performance 4 cyls. These are also the most purchased and the most typical cars that Americans drive. Pickup trucks and SUV's, believe it or not, are just as quick as these sedans. So you're saying that a car that's at least 3 seconds slower to 0-60 than the typical car is safe?

quote:
Besides, when do you ever merge onto the highway from a dead stop?
Out here in CA, there are traffic lights on the on ramps to freeways that are activated during rush hour or heavy traffic conditions. They only allow one to two cars to enter the freeway at a time. It's to limit the amount of cars entering the freeway at once to prevent unnecessary traffic slowdowns. Your 11 sec 0-60 car would slow down traffic unnecessarily.


RE: What?
By acase on 9/15/2009 4:37:02 PM , Rating: 2
Alright, but how often when you are merging onto a highway does your gas pedal hit the floor? Those are the minimum rated speeds, I would guess the average person goes at least 5 seconds slower from 0-60 then is possible for their car for every day driving. So, in this car, if you were so worried about being "safe" then you could just floor it and you would do it quicker than normal.


RE: What?
By TomZ on 9/15/2009 4:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Alright, but how often when you are merging onto a highway does your gas pedal hit the floor
As often as the opportunity allows, of course!

Seriously, though, there are lots of merging situations where a rapid accel is safer than a slower one. If you are driving a "slug," then you don't have the opportunity to be safer in those situations. It's common sense.


RE: What?
By headbox on 9/15/2009 5:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
Common sense?

Common sense is knowing 0-60 times are done by professional drivers on a closed course in ideal conditions, and very few people even know how to achieve those speeds in the real world.

Common sense is knowing 0-60 in 11 seconds will still put you far ahead of a pack of cars taking off from a red light under normal driving conditions.

The next time your ride with someone else, and without them knowing, time how long it takes them to get to 60 mph. People take a lot longer than you think- even in Los Angeles.


RE: What?
By walk2k on 9/15/2009 6:59:47 PM , Rating: 2
Those are test-track times. So you're assuming everyone merges onto the freeway with the pedal to the floor every time, which simply isn't true.

Besides, what exactly do you think is going to happen if they enter at 50mph instead of 60? People are just going to rear-end them? Won't they probably just slow down a tiny bit instead?

As for metering lights, if there is so much traffic that they are on it's not likely to be moving at 60 mph anyway.

It might be a little slow but so what. It's a perfectly safe street-legal car, end of story.


RE: What?
By Spuke on 9/16/2009 2:53:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those are test-track times. So you're assuming everyone merges onto the freeway with the pedal to the floor every time, which simply isn't true.
Read my post.

quote:
As for metering lights, if there is so much traffic that they are on it's not likely to be moving at 60 mph anyway.
If you read my post, which is seems a LOT of you didn't, your responses would be based on what I said. I'm not going to repeat myself.


RE: What?
By Iaiken on 9/15/2009 6:21:55 PM , Rating: 2
Where did you pull these numbers from? They look pretty made up to me.

Let's get some actual (factual) figures...

Road test numbers from Edmunds, Jalopnik and Car & Driver:

2008 Civic LX - 9.8
2008 Accord I4 - 8.9
2009 Camry LX-P - 9.5
2009 Corolla - 10.1
2010 Fusion I-4 S - 9.3

Your numbers are more in line with the above cars up-powered brothers:

2009 Accord V6 - 7.5
2008 Camry XLE - 7.5
2009 Civic Si - 7.2
2009 Corolla XRS - 8.9
2010 Fusion Sport - 7.7

So no, this 11 second 0-60 is not actually as big a performance gap as you would like to make it out to be. Now let's remember that these are pedal to the floor tests on a road track in mostly optimum conditions (standard atmospheric pressure and around 20 Celsius) and most people don't actually drive like this.

Though I admire your willingness to fabricate information in order to further your opinions.


RE: What?
By walk2k on 9/15/2009 7:27:17 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed those numbers look a lot more realistic. Accord 4cyl in 7.x seconds? I don't think so.

I'm sure this VW gets along as well as it does simply because it's light and aerodyamic.

For example check out the K-Sight, a Honda Insight with the IMA removed and replaced with a 2.0L K-motor from an ITR (K20A). 200 whp and it still gets 50 MPG+ when driven economically (the A/F is leaned way out for cruising). It still has the factory A/C and power steering too. It's just a testament to how much weight and aerodyamics can do for you.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3727954


RE: What?
By Steve1981 on 9/15/2009 7:56:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Accord 4cyl in 7.x seconds? I don't think so.


Car and Driver did indeed manage that feat. Obviously, YMMV and different publications regularly post significantly different numbers.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09...

As far as 11 seconds to 60 goes, it ain't the slowest thing on the road by any stretch; its on par with cars like the Civic Hybrid

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/06q1/honda...

Could be worse anyways. Could be driving a Metro.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09...

15.9 seconds to 60 baby!


RE: What?
By Aeonic on 9/16/2009 10:03:56 AM , Rating: 2
I was going to say. My wife owns a Matrix, it's pretty sluggish.

I wouldn't buy a car that takes 11s to hit 60 unless it's a friggin tank. "Most of the time your life won't be in danger" is not acceptable for me and my passengers.

I've owned slow cars. And by thoughtful driving (often a rare occurance on our highways), you can mitigate much of the risk. But sometimes, through no fault of your own, the only option is a little power.


RE: What?
By wired00 on 9/15/2009 11:24:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Typical American people movers (0-60) Honda Accord 4 cyl (7.5) Toyota Camry 4 cyl (8.6) Honda Civic (7.7) Toyota Corolla/Matrix (7.9) Ford Fusion 4 cyl (8.0)

quote:
Your 11 sec 0-60 car would slow down traffic unnecessarily.</
quote>

your joking... thats a difference of < 3 seconds. How is THAT going to "slow down traffic unnecessarily"?? its huge 3 seconds. Your acting like its 3minutes.


RE: What?
By Murloc on 9/15/2009 2:31:39 PM , Rating: 2
no one would use this car for driving in the highway.


What city?
By WeaselITB on 9/15/2009 12:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The car will hit 60 mph in about 11 seconds. The car has an all-electric driving range of 62 miles and is designed for city dwellers.

Not any city where I drive (Minneapolis). Getting up to 60mph in only 11 seconds is a good way to get into an accident at a freeway onramp.

Also, an 86-inch wheelbase? That is tiny! My wife's Yaris hatchback is ~97-inch wheelbase, and that's amazingly small ... I can't imagine anyone but 5'0" supermodels being comfortable in this car.




RE: What city?
By BrandtTheMan on 9/15/2009 12:51:10 PM , Rating: 2
Is there even such thing as a 5' Supermodel? I thought they were all giants.


RE: What city?
By adiposity on 9/15/2009 1:56:05 PM , Rating: 2
While 11 seconds is less than impressive, it's not that far off a few economy vehicles:

2008 Civic LX (9.3 seconds)
2009 Corolla XLE (9.8 seconds)
(Edmunds.com)

-Dan


RE: What city?
By JediJeb on 9/15/2009 2:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I can't imagine anyone but 5'0" supermodels being comfortable in this car.


With a 62 mile range between charges, I doubt you would be in it long enough to need to stretch out like you are in your home recliner. It probably wouldn't be much worse than an original VW Beetle was, and if anyone remembers a Gremlin or Nissan Pulsar NX, this thing looks to have even more rear seat room than those did. With the size of this, it the form factor catches on I could see one day having small EV only lanes which would be even another incentive to use them.

Now if they can get the price down to below $20k it would be ok for the size.


IAA is not in Berlin
By Iaiken on 9/15/2009 1:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
Article says that the IAA is in Berlin, however, it hasn't been in Berlin 1950. The IAA is actually held in Frankfurt(odd years) and Hanover(even years) to showcase passenger cars and commercial vehicles respectively.

Might want to correct your article/blog-post/thingy.




It looks rather plain unfortunately.
By FaaR on 9/16/2009 5:43:40 AM , Rating: 2
If you're going to buy an undoubtedly expensive electric automobile, why not give it a bit more interesting appearance?

Also, electric cars really should be constructed out of light-weight materials, with aluminium chassis and alu or composite body panels. Steel is heavy even in ordinary cars, and this thing - tiny as it is - still weighs well over a metric ton. Bet they could knock at least 20% off the weight if they used lighter materials. Lighter weight would of course translate directly into higher performance and longer range.

My dad's 1976 Honda Accord (now long gone, naturally) weighed around 780 kilos fully fueled, and it was considerably bigger than this thing. :)




That car is heavy
By Calin on 9/17/2009 3:34:54 AM , Rating: 2
I mean my VW Passat (third generation, 1992) has almost the same weight, with almost one and a half the length of that E-Up




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