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VWoA's Audi and Volkswagen brands rack up record TDI sales

It was just back in August that the Volkswagen Group of America (VWoA) was complaining that it was “not feeling the love” when it came to clean diesel acceptance in the United States. At the time, Anna Schneider, Vice President for Industry and Government Relations at VWoA stated, “It’s time the U.S. government included clean diesel in its ‘all of the above’ strategy’ for greening U.S. roads. Putting these vehicles on the road should be incentivized and not penalized, and that’s our goal.”
Despite not getting much government attention by way of incentives or promotions, VWoA has seen its TDI sales skyrocket in recent years. In fact, VWoA reported that sales of its diesel vehicles (Audi and Volkswagen combined) broke the 100,000 mark for the first time this year.

Volkswagen Passat TDI
Scott Keogh, President, Audi of America, attributed VWoA’s recent diesel fortunes directly to its more discerning customers. "The past year has shown that American consumers clearly recognize the benefits of clean diesel TDI vehicles,” said Keogh. "They understand now more than ever that this is a technology delivering real answers to society's concerns about fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions without compromises."
Between its Audi and Volkswagen nameplates, VWoA offers 13 vehicles with TDI engines. VWoA also notes that over 75 percent of the diesel engines sold in passenger cars and SUVs wear a VW or Audi badge.
It was reported earlier this month that Porsche will bring a diesel version of its brand new Macan crossover to the United States, and General Motors is set to offer a diesel motor in its all-new Chevrolet Colorado. Mazda was also set to jump on the bandwagon with a Skyactiv-D engine for its Mazda6 midsize sedan during the second half of 2013, but those plans have been pushed back until spring 2014.  Ford is even pondering a diesel engine for its new global Mustang.

Source: Volkswagen Group of America

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I'm 1 of 100,000
By Lord 666 on 12/26/2013 12:21:43 PM , Rating: 3
Honestly, in the area I live, would think VW sold more than 100,000. New TDI's are more common than gassers from what is seen just driving around.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By hpglow on 12/26/2013 12:25:50 PM , Rating: 2
I bought one many years agao. With 210k miles on it the car still fires up without too much fuss.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Lord 666 on 12/26/2013 12:43:52 PM , Rating: 1
Agreed. This is now my third VW diesel; '82 Rabbit, '06 Jetta, and now '13 Passat. Only due to size did I sell the '06.

Per my wife, we need a third row vehicle as well and other than getting a used GL or R, not too many diesel choices as the Q7 third row only holds dolls. There is supposed to be a VW third row diesel option in 2017, but that's way too far from now. Wish Chrysler/Jeep or Honda made third row options.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Brandon Hill on 12/26/2013 12:50:39 PM , Rating: 1
They're supposed to be bringing a production version of the CrossBlue here (7-seat crossover), and I'm almost 100% sure it'll have a TDI option.

VW needed this vehicle here 5 years ago. The Tiguan is too small/expensive and the Touareg is way too expensive and out of touch with the mainstream VW market.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Lord 666 on 12/26/2013 1:07:28 PM , Rating: 2
Great update on that, thanks for the link. Remember when it was first discussed, they babbled about a hybrid option and the concept was a diesel hybrid. Regular TDI for me please.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Spuke on 12/26/2013 1:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
A diesel hybrid for $31,500 base? Due in 2 years? Hmmm. I kind of expected the fuel economy numbers to be better though but this is pretty interesting.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Lord 666 on 12/26/2013 2:09:47 PM , Rating: 2
Doubt the $31,500 for the diesel hybrid and I thought a 2017 launch. Either way, long over due. Here is an older link with more information on that motor;

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Spuke on 12/26/2013 5:24:44 PM , Rating: 2
Doubt the $31,500 for the diesel hybrid
Good point. The diesel hybrid is probably the range topper engine.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Apone on 12/26/2013 1:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
@ hpglow and Lord 666

I’ve been seriously considering getting a new or CPO VW Jetta TDI as I’ve heard great things about VW diesel vehicles (in addition to the great MPG). As owners, can you guys comment on the long-term maintenance costs involved? If I pull the trigger, I plan on keeping said VW Jetta TDI long after it’s paid off and want to make sure I don’t get surprised by being charged $1500 for a timing belt/chain or $300 for a fluid replacement.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Lord 666 on 12/26/2013 1:20:59 PM , Rating: 2
The TDI Jetta (2006-current) does not use Adblue, but the TDI Passat does and it is timed to be done with oil changes. I personally would only purchase new VWs, especially TDIs.

The oil changes on the 2.0 motor are done at the 10,000 mile mark, but the 1.9 is every 5000. Zero difference in the lubricant/filter and cost, but VW was extra cautious with the PD motor.

At a dealer, the timing belt is a standard $1000. Probably could get cheaper at a local shop or shop around, but that's not a diesel specific charge and done at every 90,000.

The fuel filter is the only replacement part that does not have a duty cycle, but figure it lasts about 40,000 miles depending on what you are putting in the tank. Best way to stretch it is quality fuel (I swear by Hess) and never let the tank go below 1/4.

Other than that, its a regular car. check out for some additional in depth info.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Brandon Hill on 12/26/2013 1:31:34 PM , Rating: 2
I bought a '13 Jetta Sportwagen TDI back in late July (kid + dog, plus wife and myself means I needed more than what my old sedan could muster).

I narrowed it down to the JSW, the Prius v, and the C-Max. But I kept hearing stories of how the C-Max wasn't living up to its rated EPA numbers in the real world (which later turned out to be true). And the Prius v just felt cheap to me and gutless.

Even though I'm not the biggest fan of VW (their reliability ratings have been in the toilet for years), it ticked all the right boxes for me price wise, space wise, and interior wise (the interior quality and build quality is top notch). I also like sitting lower to the ground like a normal car instead of the higher seating position that I got with the C-Max and Prius v. And I figured that with it being this late in the mode cycle for this vehicle, most of the bugs would have worked out (the MKVII model is coming out late next year).

It may "only" have 140hp, but the 236 lb-ft of torque makes it feel a lot faster than it really is. It rides nicely, it's very quiet, it swallows up all of my son's crap and his car seat, and has given me no trouble in the first nearly 7,000 miles of ownership.

The vehicle is rated at 29/39/33 (city/highway/combined) and I've been averaging 36 mpg which is well above the 25 mpg combined I was getting with my previous car. Since my mileage is split almost 50/50 city/highway this is pretty darn impressive to me. My highest tank with combined city/highway driving has been 39 mpg. The highest I've seen on the trip computer when driving on backroads has been 44 mpg.

Seeing as how I'm not fully sold on VW's reliability, I sprung for the extended warranty just in case after the finance manager made a steep cut to the price (after I initially rejected the warranty).

Overall, I've been very impressed with the JSW, especially the fuel economy. And the free 3-years maintenance is a plus as well. I'm just dreading my first DSG fluid change at 40,000, although I plan on shopping around to find the best deal.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Spuke on 12/26/2013 2:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just dreading my first DSG fluid change at 40,000, although I plan on shopping around to find the best deal.
How much does that run?

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Brandon Hill on 12/26/2013 2:04:30 PM , Rating: 2
I've heard anywhere from $250 to $600 depending on the dealer.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Spuke on 12/26/2013 5:28:10 PM , Rating: 2
$250 is pricey but not too bad but $600 is rape. My luck is that $600 is probably the standard CA price. Thanks for the info.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Apone on 12/26/2013 4:29:01 PM , Rating: 2
@ Lord 666 and Brandon

Great info, thanks guys and Happy Holidays!

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By domboy on 12/30/2013 9:27:23 AM , Rating: 2
I'm just dreading my first DSG fluid change at 40,000, although I plan on shopping around to find the best deal.

You should have gotten the three-pedal model! ;)

For me that is the best thing about the VW diesels... fuel economy to match the hybrids, but you can get most of them with a manual transmission, which I greatly prefer over an auto. I love my 03 Golf TDI, but if I had to replace it I'd be looking for a Jetta Sportswagen too...

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By superstition on 12/27/2013 6:32:26 AM , Rating: 1
I don't know why people are so concerned about urea. Not only does it dramatically reduce nitrous oxide emissions (and thus reduce contribution to acid rain), it also improves fuel economy.

Spending a few extra pennies on a urea system is worth it. What is unfortunate about diesels is the way the fuel is more expensive. I've seen it up to $1.10 more per gallon in SW Ohio in winter.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Brandon Hill on 12/27/2013 10:23:53 AM , Rating: 2
Luckily here, the spread is more like 60 cents. But I make it 50 cents by using my Kroger Plus card at Shell, where I get ten cents a gallon off for every 100 Kroger points.

I just wish there was a Kroger Fuel Center close by, because then I could get up to $1 off/gallon per visit using points.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By superstition on 12/27/2013 6:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
I use Kroger Plus as well, but it doesn't have anything to do with the spread because the same discount applies to gasoline.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Brandon Hill on 12/27/2013 9:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
For me it does. BJs has the cheapest gas around here, while the Shell I go to has the cheapest diesel.

Shell Gas = $3.25/gallon
BJs Gas = $3.14/gallon

Shell Diesel = $3.74/gallon

Doesn't make sense to burn 10c/gallon at Shell for gas -- to fill up my wife's car -- if BJs is cheaper anyway. So I burn the 10c at Shell for diesel.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Lord 666 on 12/27/2013 11:57:57 PM , Rating: 2
Which brings up a good point... Costco and/or BJ's need to have diesel at their pumps. Never understood with Costco supposedly caters to businesses, but does not carry diesel. If one of them finally makes the move, it will definitely go a long way promoting the viability of the fuel.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By Lord 666 on 12/27/2013 12:25:15 PM , Rating: 2
Re: Adblue/urea as an SCR. Its debatable about it improving fuel economy. Comparing the 2014 Jetta vs Passat with the same motors, the former does not use Adblue while the later does. Why? VW says because of the tuning and the additional 300 pounds the Passat brings it is necessary. Yet, the Passat doesn't do as well MPG-wise as the Jetta. Yes, the world record in driving is using a stock TDI Passat. Remember, there is a 3 gallon in tank size between the two cars.

I'm all for cleaner air and the chemistry behind the urea based solution. However, I wonder with a little more work and possibly the newer motors and the future it could be eliminated. Until AdBlue is sold in Walmart or I can just piss in the tank, its sort of frustrating.

RE: I'm 1 of 100,000
By superstition on 12/27/2013 6:32:00 PM , Rating: 1
Personally, the small added expense and minimal hassle are outweighed by the reduction in pollutants. Other systems have been created and are in development, but the Jetta may simply benefit from being borderline in terms of the EPA's standard. Some of the critics of TDI diesels have compared the tier/bin of these to comparable gasoline vehicles.

However, a pollutant that may be a real concern --- nanoparticles created by diesel exhaust filters themselves.

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