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VIA's pc-1 platform overview - Image courtesy VIA

The VIA pc2500 motherboard reference design
Insiders reveal new CPUs, new platforms, new VIA

Several years ago, AMD announced a project to have 50% of the world's population internet-capable by 2015.  The project revolves around providing low-power, reliable AMD Geode PCs to developing and third-world countries at very low costs.  Combined with the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) project, AMD is leading the way for everyone to have a computer.  Not to be left out, VIA is also about to announce a similar project, called pc-1.  VIA insiders have leaked the specifications of pc-1 to us on the verge of the official announcement -- which should be one of the company's largest in some time.

The heart of VIA's pc-1 platform are the pc1500, pc2000 and pc2500 CPUs; all three of which are unannounced at this time.  The model name is supposed to correspond to the equivalent performance of a Celeron processor in MHz; so a pc2500 CPU should perform approximately the same or better than a 2.5GHz single-core Celeron.  The 90nm x86 processors feature 128KB L1 and 128KB L2 cache -- 32-way, victim replacement.  The new CPU supports also SSE1, SSE2, SSE3, as well as enhancements for cryptography including SHA-1, AES and RSA optimizations. A 400MHz front side bus connects the CPU to the CN700 or CN800 Northbridge over the V4 interconnect.  Since the CPU has no integrated memory controller, DDR1 or DDR2 support is entirely up to the core logic chipset. VIA C7 and C7-M configurations for pc-1 also show up on the roadmap, though it appears as the majority push is using the pc2000 and pc2500 CPUs.

Here is the kicker though -- the whole CPU consumes less than 500mW at idle, with a TDP envelope of 25W for the pc2500 and 13W for the pc2000.  The low power is essentially what the pc-1 platform is all about.  VIA's documentation claims the pc2500 CPU is approximately on par with a Celeron 2.8GHz CPU, but over the course of a year a pc-1 platform will consume half as much energy as the Intel system.  Not only is the pc-1 cheaper at initial purchase, but the long term power benefits are really where the savings kick in.  Even lower power pc-1500 CPUs will not even require active cooling in certain configurations, but VIA has not released specifications about those systems yet.

VIA's roadmap details that system affordability for a pc-1 desktop is approximately $300, though it appears as though no firm price has been set as many of the components (Northbridge, Southbridge, CPU) appear interchangeable.  All pc-1 CPUs come in ball-grid array (BGA) form; there is no option to upgrade processors as the CPU is soldered onto the motherboard.

Like AMD's 50x15 and OLPC, pc-1 platforms are designed to run off everything from AC grids to car batteries.  The internal documentation claims the pc-1 PHD reference platform can run on a car battery for up to 20 hours at a time at full load, with a mere 90W power supply.  The company also plans to announce a solar-power kit for the PHD platform in August of this year. 

VIA's internal roadmap reveals the company is almost completely refocusing itself on CPU-based products with its core logic divisions only consuming a small part of the company's overall resources.  Coupled with the smart investments over the last few years (VIA is a majority shareholder in the cell phone giant HTC), the company is certainly poised to make some waves in 2006 and 2007.

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That Would
By Merry on 6/16/2006 10:42:38 AM , Rating: 2
Make cracking base for a Media Centre PC.

If i could afford it, of course.

RE: That Would
By electriple9 on 6/16/2006 12:58:27 PM , Rating: 2
Nice Htpc. But will this be available in North America. Its sad Intel doesnt plan to release its sub 1wat cpu to be purchased by consumers. Only oems can use in it laptops, and its also soldered on.

By hans007 on 6/18/2006 5:37:43 PM , Rating: 3
the problem with the non NX geodes is they are super super slow.

those old nat semi / cyrix system on a chips are 486 class chips designed from the old 5x86 chips that cyrix made. they were very slow and somewhere in between a pentium and a 486.

granted they are running much faster now, but still.

the nx chips are actually thoroughbred based athlon xp cores, nothing more.

By Soulkeeper on 6/17/2006 1:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
don't forget the cryptography
not sure how many of you actually read the reviews/benchmarks for the c7 but i for one was actually impressed
via should start selling via c7 laptops in the US tho
the performance/watt coupled with the unrivaled cryptography capabilities/performance make it an ideal solution for many imo.

here's hoping...
By NegativeEntropy on 6/19/2006 7:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just waiting for someone to make a low power, fanless board with a CPU at approx P3-500 level of performance and 3 good NICs (i.e. Intel, not Reltek) + a slot for WIFI. One of these CPUs (on the low end) sounds like it may fit that part of the bill.

'twill make a nice pfsense firewall/router as the Soekris and Wrap are lacking in power and things like Commell are too $$.

By smilingcrow on 6/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: Niche
By The Cheeba on 6/16/2006 2:19:45 PM , Rating: 2
So just because Intel isn't doing it, there's no point? Gee, AMD only invested like a billion dollars into this already.

RE: Niche
By Ardan on 6/16/2006 2:59:15 PM , Rating: 2
My thoughts exactly.

RE: Niche
By smilingcrow on 6/16/2006 6:21:44 PM , Rating: 2
I mentioned Intel because they have actually released CPUs with a TDP less than 10W, whereas I don’t believe AMD have.
If you’re talking about AMD Geode, then I don’t think those processors are in the same category that these VIA chips are aimed at. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

RE: Niche
By Knish on 6/16/2006 9:15:57 PM , Rating: 2
It's pretty much exactly what the C7 is aimed at.

Geode GX is 500MHz at 1W.
Geode LX is 900MHz at 1W.
Geode NX is 1700MHz at 6W.

The Geode is what the 50x15 is based on.

RE: Niche
By stmok on 6/16/2006 9:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
by Knish on June 16, 2006 at 9:15 PM

Geode GX is 500MHz at 1W.
Geode LX is 900MHz at 1W.
Geode NX is 1700MHz at 6W.


You are confusing a marketing label and the REAL speed of the CPU!

Geode GX runs up to 400Mhz.
Geode LX runs at 500Mhz.
Geode NX runs up to 1.4Ghz.

The GX and LX are basically a 586-class solution. Its primarily aimed at the low to medium end of the VIA C3 series.

The NX (a K7 solution), is aimed at the upper end of VIA C3 and C7 CPUs.

The numbers you quote are AMD's marketing speed labels that suppose to say "its equivalent to a VIA C3 running at..."

Example: The AMD Geode GX 533 runs at 400Mhz. But AMD says that it offers the equivalent performance of a C3 at 533Mhz.

The OLPC uses a Geode GX 500 CPU, but it runs at 366Mhz.

RE: Niche
By Knish on 6/17/2006 1:00:19 PM , Rating: 2
I see. I was sort of quoting those from memory but I understand now.

RE: Niche
By encia on 6/18/2006 5:30:51 AM , Rating: 2

Part of AMD's 50X15 initiative, AMD plans to sell Transmeta's Efficeon (X64 compatible) as "AMD Efficeon".

RE: Niche
By stmok on 6/16/2006 9:31:43 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, AMD does have CPUs in the same performance class as VIA C3/C7s...They are called Geode. The Geode is divided into 2 different lines.

One is called the Geode LX, and the other Geode NX.

The LX is basically the same Geode of the past. (as was made by National Semiconductor, now owned and made by AMD, and renamed as Geode LX).

The NX is a K7 (Mobile Athlon) based solution. Its a Thoroughbred core and comes in 3 models: 667MHz, 1Ghz and 1.4Ghz...At 667Mhz and 1Ghz, its TDP is 6W. While the 1.4Ghz is 14W.

My friend has a Mini-ITX mobo based on the 1Ghz model. Its fanless, but the heatsink gets a bit hot after a while. (it doesn't crash or fry, though). It does completely dominate the C3 and C7 CPUs at the same clock...With exception to encyption. This is where the VIA CPUs win, as they have built-in hardware encryption that offers encryption performance which rival top-end Opteron setups.

VIA CPUs are nice if you have specific uses for them. They make nice little quiet Linux boxes for routers, home file servers, thin clients, industrial or embedded applications, etc. But don't use them for something like modern day gaming or playing HD video (1080p)...Or even compiling a Kernel or OpenOffice. (That'll take days!)

I personally don't believe VIA's marketing. They hyped the C7 so much, that you may have thought it was a decent competitor to the Celeron-M (Budget Pentium-M)...Well, it isn't. It offers about 10% overall performance improvement over the old C3 series. Clock for clock, its still no match for Intel or AMD's low-end offerings. But it has an advantage of being much cheaper, while providing "adequate" performance. (So most people around here won't be interested).

They do make pretty good "Car-PCs", if you pick the right Mini-ITX mobo. (There is one at, that can operate +65°C to -40°C temp range, without skipping a beat).

I use my C3 1Ghz box as a Multi-WAN router for my two Cable connections. Under such a networking scenario (routing packets, NAT, packet filtering), it performs about the same as a PIII 500Mhz, but consumes much less power. It hasn't crashed or failed since I put it in service...That was like 2 yrs ago.

It completely craps on those commercial routers. (Even when we put it under ridiculous loads by having 4 people doing BitTorrent at the same time).

RE: Niche
By encia on 6/18/2006 5:23:48 AM , Rating: 2
The LX is basically the same Geode of the past. (as was made by National Semiconductor, now owned and made by AMD, and renamed as Geode LX).

Unlike GX, LX is also equiped with 64K I/64K D L1 cache and 128K L2 cache.

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