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VIA announces new netbook media processor that decodes full 1080p HD video

Among the biggest wishes netbook users have for improvements are more performance and the ability to play HD video. The first crop of netbooks that features the Intel Atom N270 lacked the capability for hardware 1080p video decoding.

The Intel Atom N280 and its chipset can support 720p hardware decoding for HD video. NVIDIA announced its Ion platform that uses an Intel Atom CPU bundled with one of its GPUs to decode full 1080p video, but at this time no Ion netbooks have hit market.

VIA has announced a new Media System Processor (MSP) today called the VX855 that offers among its features the ability to decode full 1080p video. VIA says that the processor supports multiple video standards including H.264, MPEG-2/4, DivX and WMV9 and can play the formats in high bit rates in 1080p resolution.

The VX855 is aimed at the netbook and SFF segment of the market and has a TDP of 2.3W making it ideal for netbooks where power usage is very important. The MSP supports all leading operating systems including Windows 7 according to VIA. The part integrates all the features of a modern chipset's north and south bridges in a package that measures only 27mm x 27mm saving over 46% of the space that typical twin-chip designs require.

The low power requirements and power management features allow system builders to integrate the VX855 in fanless designs. Features of the processor include high performance 2D and 3D graphics thanks to the VIA Chrome9 supporting DirectX 9 and 128-bit 2D with hardware rotation capacity.

HD audio is supported with up to eight channels with a 192kHz sampling rate. The memory controller integrated into the MSP supports up to two high-bandwidth DDR2 modules and the product supports up to six USB ports. Supported processors include the VIA Nano, C7, and Eden parts at 400 to 800 MHz FSB speeds.



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I hope consumers will get to see these chips!
By nerdye on 3/12/2009 5:46:03 PM , Rating: 4
I still haven't seen a mainstream nano powered netbook book yet, it seems intel's atom is in everything these days. All I have seen from manufacturers is Via's older C7 cpu in HP's netbooks. Via is making good stuff right now, when can we buy it!




By Marlin1975 on 3/12/2009 6:30:52 PM , Rating: 5
Actually what might work and hurt intel at the same time is for nvidia and VIA to team up. Nvidia has no CPU and intel is bundling their atoms and northbridges so that hurts them. VIA has a good low power CPU but weak graphics.

VIA Cpu and nvidia chipset would be a great combo to fight intel and give more power for the netbooks.


By Pryde on 3/13/2009 12:46:29 AM , Rating: 1
VIA has a processor that can decode 1080p but the CPU is still far to weak to game, so pairing it with a stronger graphics part wouldn't make sense.

Nvidia is losing everywhere, yeah it has the fastest most expensive part but what else? In every other market ( except maybe CUDA but that will change with Larrabee ) it is struggling. Mobile - g92b vs 4870M. Integrated - 9400 vs 3300 ( yet to see 4k Integrated and after g92b rehash for Mobile don't expect a GT200 integrated ). Desktop - 4850/70 is better value than 260 126 / 285 ( Not to mention RV790 ).


By Kiijibari on 3/15/2009 11:16:10 AM , Rating: 2
Not yet available in U.S., but coming soon:

Samsung NC 20
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/samsung-nc...

cheers

Kiiji


Difference between chipsets?
By TA152H on 3/12/2009 8:23:17 PM , Rating: 2
One area VIA seems to have a big problem is telling people what's the difference in their chipsets. I look on their site, and they lack clarity. What's the big difference between this and the VX800? Is it just more integrated? What about the CN896? Their specifications are always ambiguous, and trying to figure out what the differences are is not very clear. One thing is clear though, they still don't have a DX10 video solution yet, and that's unforgiveable at this point. Centaur (which was bought by VIA) does a pretty good job on the processors, but the supporting products seem to lag a bit.




RE: Difference between chipsets?
By psychobriggsy on 3/13/2009 9:48:45 AM , Rating: 2
They've dragged some of the southbridge functionality on-board the VX800 northbridge, presumably they've also run it through a process shrink. So it has the motherboard space advantage of the 9400M but at a very low power (half the TDP of the mobile i945 even, and far far less than the 9400M).

Next stop - a MCM including Nano and this chip.

It's all academic, these won't be available for anyone to use. All VIA's products remain as press releases on their website, a few review samples, and then a year or more down the line a couple of products appear that use them.


By psychobriggsy on 3/13/2009 10:17:26 AM , Rating: 2
Edit: Actually VX800 was already a single chip solution, albeit on a 33x33 package, not 27x27. To achieve that this new solution has dropped a lot of functionality. It's very low end netbook material. The power savings are from disabling parts that no longer have output pins. They kept IDE and dropped SATA (!!!).


By blueboy09 on 3/14/2009 1:34:09 PM , Rating: 3
While its great to see advancements like this on a netbook, having 1080p on a screen as tiny as a netbook would be slighly overkill since it recommended by most experts that 1080p is recommended at the very least on a 37" HDTV. If it has HDMI on a netbook, fine, but without it it would be as I mentioned above. Love the fact that it has HD audio though.




it is a netbook
By Screwballl on 3/12/09, Rating: -1
RE: it is a netbook
By bebesito21 on 3/12/2009 2:48:50 PM , Rating: 5
yeah lets just stop all innovation and work with only whats currently available....

seriously though, the manufacturers are fighting it, but even they realize that compact mobile devices are where its at...laptops and smartphones are rushing to meet each other and the middle currently is netbooks.

why wouldnt you want smaller, increasingly efficient and increasingly powerful devices? i cant wait till i have a device the size of an iphone that is as powerful as my desktop.


RE: it is a netbook
By SublimeSimplicity on 3/12/09, Rating: -1
RE: it is a netbook
By strikeback03 on 3/12/2009 3:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
Power is easily going to be the biggest limitation to a projector in anything phone-sized. Unless there is a serious breakthrough in storage capacity, I don't see that happening soon.

As far as smartphones go, I have yet to see one small enough that I would actually carry it. I'll be happy when devices with the power of the current smartphones can be the size of normal phones (my Samsung U740 is OK, but I wouldn't mind it being smaller).

This chip could be useful so long as it can be powered down when needed. I can't imagine people would be using netbooks connected to an HDTV nearly as much as they would on the go, using the built in screen.


RE: it is a netbook
By SublimeSimplicity on 3/12/2009 4:05:03 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Power is easily going to be the biggest limitation to a projector in anything phone-sized.


LED flash lights have good battery life and we're only talking about projecting a 12"-15" "screen" for use on a table top... 100 lumen would be more than enough for that.

The size of the screen (no matter the resolution) will be the biggest obstacle for smart phones sized devices over taking notebooks. The only solution I see today is project, either on a table top or directly to the eye.


RE: it is a netbook
By Truxy on 3/12/2009 3:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
We're getting to the point where usable resolution and picture quality collide at a happy medium. Having 1080p on a smartphone or similar sized device would be about picture perfect. Any higher resolution won't make a difference since the screen real estate is still tiny. And using a big screen is counter to the fact that everyone wants a small device...

But, if they had built in projectors, it would at least make more sense. For people who would actually use such a feature. I agree with you. Projector tech needs to catch up.

As for the actual news article, I wish VIA good luck... sounds like they've got a great R&D team, here's hoping that they have a matching marketing/sales team to get the product into our hands.


RE: it is a netbook
By bhieb on 3/12/2009 3:53:48 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Having 1080p on a smartphone or similar sized device would be about picture perfect.


Are you out of your gourde? 1080p is dang nice on a 105' screen, and is WAY overkill for your 3" phone. The only reason IMO to have that kind of power on a notebook is to output it via HDMI to a bigger screen. There is no way you need that much resolution on a screen that small.


RE: it is a netbook
By Penti on 3/13/2009 5:01:43 AM , Rating: 2
It's kinda retarded not being able to play the clip at all on your "computer" (netbook) though.


RE: it is a netbook
By DeepBlue1975 on 3/13/2009 7:14:50 AM , Rating: 2
So true.
Besides, most netbooks (at least the cheaper ones) have a 1024x600 sized screen, which makes playing a full 1080p movie on them quite undesirable.


RE: it is a netbook
By mindless1 on 3/13/2009 11:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
Untrue, that's exactly what most people desire to do. For many years video playback software already scaled output, downsampling or upsampling, it doesn't have to be a 1:1 pixel mapping but it does need to be able to just play the original file without having to re-encode everything to a lower resolution before copying to the netbook.


RE: it is a netbook
By xNIBx on 3/13/2009 10:05:28 AM , Rating: 2
You dont need 1080p on your phone so that you can watch it on its screen, you need it so that you can connect your phone with your tv and watch the movie there. Phones are becoming media centers nowadays(omnia for example can play dvdrip xvids with no problem and omnia hd will probably play even 720p movies).


RE: it is a netbook
By 91TTZ on 3/13/2009 11:13:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1080p is dang nice on a 105' screen, and is WAY overkill for your 3" phone.


A 105 FOOT screen?


RE: it is a netbook
By erple2 on 3/13/2009 6:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A 105 FOOT screen?


Make sure it doesn't fall over and kill the little person.


RE: it is a netbook
By Jeffk464 on 3/12/2009 10:58:03 PM , Rating: 2
Because I don't want my keyboard or my display to get any smaller then my current 15" laptop. But if chips like this make it so my future laptops don't go threw batteries so quick, then I will be a happy camper.


RE: it is a netbook
By Targon on 3/13/2009 7:52:41 AM , Rating: 2
There are new battery technologies like nanotube that SHOULD be available before too much longer from what I remember reading. When one part of the whole gets no updates for too long, it holds things back. Everyone wants faster processors, and better graphics, but battery technology has not improved all that much over the past five years.


RE: it is a netbook
By RandomUsername3463 on 3/12/2009 3:04:27 PM , Rating: 5
Have you ever tried comparing the size & weight of the average netbook with that of a $450 el-cheapo laptop on Newegg?

These two types of systems aren't targeting the same market.


RE: it is a netbook
By fishbits on 3/12/2009 3:09:56 PM , Rating: 1
What, exactly, do you have against the choice of smaller form factors being available? Or against some of their configurations becoming more capable? I'm hoping you're not egomaniacal enought to come to the conclusion that because you don't want something, no one else should. But who knows, because for some reason every netbook-related thread brings out someone posting in a panic because others might purchase and use one.

Cheap laptops have been around for quite some time. Much bigger and heavier laptops, when compared to a netbook. Not everyone wants that needless physical bloat, and can appreciate smaller, more efficient components and form factors.

Of course, you could still be using a 5 lb. "portable" phone from the 1980s, because, you know, it would just be wrong to want a smaller phone. Freaking digital Amish, terrified that people on a tech enthusiast site might get more powerful hardware and more choices in configuration. Well, that wasn't fair: At least the Amish seem content to practice what they preach while letting others choose more modern equipment.


RE: it is a netbook
By GaryJohnson on 3/12/2009 5:20:37 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Check on some dual core laptops for $450+ at newegg.com

You post this same misinformed nonsense on every netbook article on DT. Some netbooks are $450+ but most are $300 or less.


RE: it is a netbook
By segerstein on 3/13/2009 4:11:16 AM , Rating: 2
Why not bring this little machine to a friends house, connect it to an LCD TV via HDMI and show pictures, home video, satellite TV SD&HD recordings (movies, shows) or other fun stuff?

Granted, using a built-in screen, HD does not matter. But if you only have HD files, you need a strong processor/GPU to decode it, regardless of the output screen resolution.

The other solution would be to transcode HD to SD, just to *maybe* watch it on a netbook. But that's really a waste of time.


RE: it is a netbook
By amagriva on 3/13/2009 4:46:59 AM , Rating: 1
You talk like Intel marketing people...What's bad in advancement?


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