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VA Tech killer played Sonic the Hedgehog, not Counter-Strike

Following the violent tragedy that took place at Virginia Tech on April 16, 2007, Florida attorney Jack Thompson was one of the first on the scene to speak with the media. Thompson immediately pointed fingers at the video game industry for driving Cho Seung-hui with games that the attorney calls “murder simulators” which supposedly aided the killer during his crimes. Oddly enough, no video games were found in the killer’s dorm room.

Members of the mainstream media may have wised up to Jack Thompson’s tricks – for example, when Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s Hardball called into question Thompson’s massive leaps in flawed logic and unsupported facts.

Recently, the final report from Governor Tim Kaine’s Virginia Tech Review Panel has been made public, which reveals that the killer had little to ever do with video games. As excerpted from the report by Game Politics, “Sun and her parents recall that Cho seemed to be doing better. He was enrolled in a Tae Kwon Do program for awhile, watched TV, and played video games like Sonic the Hedgehog... None of the video games were war games or had violent themes. He liked basketball and had a collection of figurines and remote controlled cars.”

The report also included the account from one of Cho’s roommates: “Cho’s roommate never saw him play video games. He would get movies from the library and watch them on his laptop. The roommate never saw what they were, but they always seemed dark. Cho would listen to and download heavy metal music…”



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A Naive Question From The Eternal Optimist
By bplewis24 on 8/31/2007 9:19:46 AM , Rating: 4
So when can we expect an apology from Jack A. Thompson?

:)

Brandon




RE: A Naive Question From The Eternal Optimist
By HaZaRd2K6 on 8/31/2007 9:47:17 AM , Rating: 5
Sometime closer to the day Hell freezes over.


By Quiksel on 8/31/2007 9:49:19 AM , Rating: 3
we said that about Dell using AMD procs, didn't we now? ;)

I, for one, wouldn't totally dismiss it... Not likely to occur, but I'd love to see it. :)

~q


By JackBeQuick on 8/31/2007 11:37:19 AM , Rating: 3
To quote Code Monkeys:

I'll see you later this afternoon at the country club Jack. Then again later on in Hell!


RE: A Naive Question From The Eternal Optimist
By BladeVenom on 8/31/2007 12:00:14 PM , Rating: 1
I'd rather see him sued.


By Christopher1 on 9/1/2007 6:50:38 PM , Rating: 1
I have to agree. If Jack Thompson was sued and slapped with a NATIONWIDE gag order, we would finally hear.... or actually, NOT HEAR, the end of him!


Not the Video Games? It was the Music and Movies!
By Scorpion on 8/31/2007 12:40:44 PM , Rating: 5
So it wasn't the violent video games that made him a raving lunatic, it was the Heavy Metal Music and the violent movies!

"Sorry Jack this bandwagon has left. Please jump to the next in line!"




By AstroCreep on 8/31/2007 2:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
Funny you should mention that, as Jack got his start with the whole "Explicit Music" movement that occurred back in the late 80s/early 90s with Tipper Gore & other a-holes who wanted to blame society's ills on art/media.

I guess things come full-circle, huh? :p


By knowom on 8/31/2007 10:24:54 PM , Rating: 2
Playing sonic the hedgehog could drive anyone to the break of insanity collecting all those damn rings!

So all right with sonic the murder simulator now out of the way you can't help, but laugh at the heavy metal music and violent movies part time to start a new scape goat cause we all know it couldn't have been that he was just plain crazy, but not anymore so than president bush thinking he can end/control the war in the middle east known as terror.


By Christopher1 on 9/1/2007 6:53:12 PM , Rating: 1
I don't think Cho was 'just plain crazy'. I think that he might have had a lot of secrets in his life that we have not heard, from bullying when he was a child to bullying when he was an adult.

Some of his 'childhood friends' have said that Cho was picked on a hell of a lot by other children, and that can warp a person's mind, no matter if it stops when they are older or not.


By Knowname on 9/2/2007 2:56:18 AM , Rating: 2
I'm thinking somebody slipped some Yani into his ipod or maybe he was anticipating the Transformers movie...


Curse that Sonic and his violence
By JasonMick (blog) on 8/31/2007 9:42:23 AM , Rating: 5
The way he recklessly gets those gold rings and kills those Caterkillers, Burrobots, and Ball Hogs.

Senseless, senseless violence.




By Misty Dingos on 8/31/2007 10:07:52 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe in the crazy man's head Sonic was taking out all those people that kept him down. Or perhaps trying to look into the mind of a mad man after he is dead is like trying to organize the sand on the beach. And makes as much sense.


By glenn8 on 8/31/2007 10:34:24 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know about you, but when I try to play some of the recent frustrating Sonic games, I really do feel like going out and shooting people (j/k of course).


Jack Thompson doesn't need facts
By darkpaw on 8/31/2007 9:05:25 AM , Rating: 3
Just cause he said it means it had to be true right? Seriously, I can't believe anyone still gives this guy any airtime at all. Mr. Thompson is the one stuck in fantasy land.




RE: Jack Thompson doesn't need facts
By JackBeQuick on 8/31/2007 11:38:15 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone notice how he looks real scragly, unshaven and card-reading in that thumbnail?


By BiuTech on 8/31/2007 12:24:11 PM , Rating: 2
That's because he just got through an all-nighter gaming session of his own. We all know he plays CS and Manhunt in secret.


glad to hear it
By Quiksel on 8/31/2007 9:30:17 AM , Rating: 2
I know this thread is going to get lots of hits and whatnot, but I'd like to say that I'm very glad to hear that the video game genre has been cleared of any influencing of what still remains an incredible tragedy to this day.

The clear and simple truth, as well as common sense (where are the days of old where this would win out?), has prevailed in this case of mistaken blame. It's too bad the media needed to find any kind of scapegoat in order to keep people around watching in the early days of this event. At some point, I hope to not have to see the ilk of JT getting gobs of airtime just because he says stuff that gives people the feeling that conspiracy is always the culprit.

Hooray for common sense!

~q




RE: glad to hear it
By phattyboombatty on 8/31/2007 9:56:07 AM , Rating: 2
If anything, I think that playing violent video games gives people an outlet for venting whatever frustration or anger they have. I'd much rather have someone taking out their anger in a fantasy world than in the real world. Maybe if Cho had played some more video games his killing would have been confined to the fantasy world and he wouldn't have snapped in the real world.


using media as a scapegoat
By theslug on 8/31/2007 9:31:33 AM , Rating: 2
Violent video games don't cause real-life violence in general any more than any other form of violent media, whether it be a movie or a book. A person *can* be influenced by such things, but usually aren't. It's time to stop using media as a scapegoat. When can we start blaming acts of violence on nothing but the shooter himself? Obviously, in retrospect, he had mental issues of sorts. I don't see everyone who plays violent games going around killing people in real life.

And let's just say that someone does copy what they see in media, then what? If someone commits the same murder as in a crime novel, do you sue the author?

On the topic of JT, I really don't want to get into how twisted his mind is, but let's just say he is a lunatic who exploits tragedies like this to further his political agenda.




RE: using media as a scapegoat
By tjr508 on 8/31/2007 4:38:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And let's just say that someone does copy what they see in media, then what? If someone commits the same murder as in a crime novel, do you sue the author?


Yes, happens all of the time. Most notable case is that old neo-Nazi dude that was blamed for inspiring others to kill that he never even met or corresponded with an any way. He got sued and lost every penny he had and I believe they even tried pressing criminal murder charges over a fictional book.


By slacker57 on 8/31/2007 2:30:24 PM , Rating: 4
From the Game Politics article:

"...favorite actor is Nicolas Cage."

Watching him act would drive anyone into rage. We're just lucky his favorite actor wasn't Kevin Costner, then maybe the whole state of Virginia would have been in trouble.




Hmm...
By acer905 on 8/31/2007 9:03:47 AM , Rating: 2
Almost makes me wonder if they are gonna try to push sonic as being violent now... i mean, you are spin dashing into things, and jumping on creatures... Plus he keep sunning around stealing peoples rings and emeralds... "introducing, GTA: Green Hill Zone"




ban basketball!
By Parhelion69 on 8/31/2007 9:29:16 AM , Rating: 2
Don't you see? this guy likes basketball!! That's the cause xD




Always looking to blame
By Randum on 8/31/2007 10:16:51 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone always wants to blame everyone else and make a quick dollar. When will they just say he was raised in a way that caused him to act like that? Video games and "metal" music may emulate hate and violence, but I would be hard pressed to beleive they are the sole influence in any killer life.




man..
By tobrien on 8/31/2007 4:22:30 PM , Rating: 2
I know I'm not the first to say it, but it's terrible that Cho took such a course of action.

I also find it really sad that the guy went through the pain and frustration he did. I mean as this DT article said he had figurines, remote controlled cars, liked basketball, etc.. What I'm getting at is that for me it shows that he was a human, too. I mean look at what he owned and liked- that applies to most guys growing up.

I'm sure it is just causing his parents unimaginable grief seeing their son do such a thing. I'm not a father, but as my mom and dad have told me before, you'll never know just how much they love you until you have a child of your own. And I'm sure his parents are getting their share of hate directed towards them and their family just for being related to Cho.

I feel really bad for his parents, I don't know if they or anyone could have imagined something on the scale of the VT massacre.

just my thoughts.




you know
By senbassador on 9/2/2007 11:40:11 AM , Rating: 2
You know that when this guy gets sued over this by the game makers, its not like he's actually gonna pay this out of his pocket. That money will likely come out of state budget so the taxpayers will pick up the tab and this guy won't pay a cent.




picked on
By wordsworm on 9/3/2007 11:59:47 AM , Rating: 2
Some have commented on the challenges of being picked on. I can tell you that I know what that is like, probably better than most. I was 'different' in the middle of a small town. Furthermore, I had, and to a lesser extent now, have the tendency to challenge people in intellectual ways. For these reasons, and perhaps more, I was one of the school's biggest geek. Most people actually thought my name was 'Renardo', which was kind of a mix between retard and nerd. The difficulty was compounded by being a foster child and getting a lot of that at 'home' as well, from the other foster kids. The violence that I faced was a part of the whole thing. It was extremely difficult, I can tell you. But I can also tell you that it created a person who became extremely self confident. Where I see most people completely terrified of how people look at them, how they will be judged, etc., I have no fear at all. I've been through it all, and I've come to the point where I don't really care much about what people tell me. All the dreams that those foster parents told me were hopeless, I've accomplished.

I often wonder if those difficult times had some kind of influence on making me stronger. They say that a strong wind can make a strong tree. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I'm not violent. I've played my share of Doom II and Quake 1~3 (ok, I'm not really a gamer anymore - I'm 32, not 22) My anger is more riled by Bush as I find him as extremely suspect in this whole 911 affair, yet somehow the US has actually reelected him. If that's not mass lunacy I don't know what is. But he just kept on saying the same bloody lies and pinning the crime on people whom the Christians have been targeting for more than 1,000 years. Yeah, the Muslims certainly have all the motive anyone would need to want a little revenge. But it doesn't mean they did it. And all this ultra violence over the middle east, and still America's talking all kinds of lies and propaganda over Iran with what appears to be a beat designed to give Americans an urge to drop some death on Iran. All this fuss over 1 young man killing a few kids, but no one really cares about all the Iraqis who have paid for 30 years of American influence.

But with all this talk about what caused him to do what he did, let's face it, the guns had a big part of it. If he'd had a knife, how many people could he have killed? Guns are a big problem in the US. Yet these same yahoos who claim that the games and the music are at fault are as often the folks who are staunch defenders of the right to bear arms. Further, what makes them more absurd is that most of them are neo Christians. How many people have been killed over that bloody rot? If there's any publication that seems to instill more mass madness than the Bible, other than perhaps the Koran, I don't know it. Maybe these ought to be the books that should be burned. I seem to recall that that wrestler who recently killed his family, Benoit, did so with a Bible in hand. What was going through his head? Yet no one points the finger at that book as a possible link to madness. No, of course not. Not the neo-Christian run medias and gov't of the great USA.




headline is wrong
By Gul Westfale on 8/31/07, Rating: -1
RE: headline is wrong
By Verran on 8/31/2007 9:50:55 AM , Rating: 3
No, that's not the point they're making. You're taking it the wrong way. I think the DailyTech crowd is pretty much 100% with you on the separation of reality and virtual-reality. However, that argument has been in use for years with little success.

But when you say that he didn't even play violent video games at all, there's really no combating that. The first point is highly debatable. The second is not. It's just about using the best argument you can.


RE: headline is wrong
By Etsp on 8/31/2007 10:11:16 AM , Rating: 2
What's more violent than freeing cute little critters from the robotic prisons they've been trapped in and forced to do the bidding of a (terribly renamed, Dr. Eggman is just idiotic) evil mastermind bent on having the world become his robotic slaves!


RE: headline is wrong
By retrospooty on 8/31/2007 11:23:33 AM , Rating: 2
The best point to make in these cases is to get real about it. This was the act of a mentally unstable person that would have caused harm regardless. He may have played a violent 1st person shooter, a happy little kids game like Sonic, or never played any games at all, he was disturbed, thats why he did it.


RE: headline is wrong
By jacarte8 on 8/31/2007 10:06:24 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
videogames are not at fault because a sane person can make a difference between real life and virtual life violence.


What about an INSANE person?

I don't think video games are the cause of insane people doing insane things either... I'm commenting that insane people can react badly to any situation... especially one with violence...


RE: headline is wrong
By Christopher1 on 9/2/2007 10:32:56 AM , Rating: 2
The problem with that reasoning is that 'insane' people are LESS likely, when you look at the numbers, to react violently compared to society as a whole.

The problem is not 'insanity' and most of these people are not insane who mass murder. They are people who have been pushed beyond the limits of what they can take by society and society gets back some of what they have given them.

If we are going to keep things like this from happening, we need to: 1. Stop making like people who are 'different' should be harassed, whether they are sexually different, skin color-different, etc.; and 2. Start giving mental help to people who request it without someone later trying to screw them over because they were brave enough to seek mental health counseling (the government is usually guilty of this).


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