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The award-winning PS3 SIXAXIS controller
The controller with no boogie to its dance wins an award from the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences

Sony Computer Entertainment America today announced that it has been recognized by the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences with a Technology and Engineering Emmy Award for the PlayStation 3's SIXAXIS wireless controller. SCEA will receive the honor at an awards presentation being held tonight at CES 2007 in Las Vegas.

"The overwhelming consumer demand and critical acclaim for PS3 is a testament of the platform's strength and the industry's desire for a true next-generation entertainment system," said Jack Tretton, president and CEO, SCEA. "The full potential of this powerful machine has yet to be realized -- what you've seen so far is just a taste of what will be on the table for 2007 and years to come."

That’s not the only award that the PS3 is garnering for the company. SCEA will be honored with several other awards at CES for the engineering behind PS3 including the CES Best of Innovations Award for 2007, PC World's 20 Most Innovative Products Award, Sound & Vision's Editor's Choice Award and Digital Entertainment Group's (DEG) Emiel N. Petrone Digital Innovation Award.

Some may be scratching their heads over the award choice for SIXAXIS. The PS3 controller has been criticized for its continued use of a slightly dated design and the lack of force feedback. Hideo Kojima, creator of the Metal Gear series, has publically expressed his disappointment in the lack of rumble in the SIXAXIS. The long-fought legal battle between Immersion and Sony over vibration technology is commonly seen as the reason for the missing feature.

The only new innovations brought about in the SIXAXIS controller are Bluetooth wireless connectivity and built-in motion sensing. Wireless controllers were first standardized by Microsoft in its premium line of Xbox 360 consoles, and the motion sensing technology is implemented to a far greater degree in Nintendo’s Wii console.

Update 01/09/2007: Australian blog site has word from the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences stating that Sony was erroneous in its announcement of the SIXAXIS win, saying that the award is actually for the original DualShock controller for PSone. Sony did, however, recieve an award for its Xross Media Bar for "Outstanding Innovation and Achievement in Advanced Media Technology for the Best Use of Personal Media Display and Presentation Technology," which strangely went unannounced by SCEA. Read more here.

Update 01/10/2007: Sony issued a statement to DailyTech regarding the award.

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I smell a rat
By skyyspam on 1/8/2007 10:23:46 PM , Rating: 5
I wonder if Sony slipped some cash their way?




RE: I smell a rat
By Poximex on 1/8/2007 10:36:33 PM , Rating: 2
Not like they could afford it. They aren't even turning a profit on the console.


RE: I smell a rat
By daftrok on 1/8/2007 10:37:30 PM , Rating: 2
Unlikely. I think the Emmy people believe that since the system is so amazing, it boosts up the points for the controller. I personally don't miss the rumble because the visuals compensate greatly, but I really think the Wii-mote should have won this one.


RE: I smell a rat
By therealnickdanger on 1/8/2007 11:27:02 PM , Rating: 4
I've used the SuxAxis for extended periods... no way does it actually deserve this award. I don't recall the Emmys ever giving out awards like this in the past, it was probably the only controller nominated since they shoveled out tons of cash to run ads during the award show... but I have no proof. Pure conjecture, but probably 100% correct. :P


RE: I smell a rat
By BladeVenom on 1/9/2007 12:28:50 AM , Rating: 5
What a joke. It must be their influence from their movie, and music divisions.


RE: I smell a rat
By PandaBear on 1/9/2007 2:26:20 AM , Rating: 5
Definitely, I am sure they have a bunch of people in Hollywood to promote this because of their movie industry influence.

This controller does not deserve it.


RE: I smell a rat
By artemicion on 1/10/2007 1:59:18 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yes, because winning a National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Technology and Engineering Emmy Award is so amazingly prestigious and will bring such a boon to the company that it's worth lobbying for.

/sarcasm off


RE: I smell a rat
By GhandiInstinct on 1/9/2007 12:44:56 AM , Rating: 4
They won an emmy for copying technology of their competitor?

Neat!


RE: I smell a rat
By Schadenfroh on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: I smell a rat
By Schadenfroh on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: I smell a rat
By BladeVenom on 1/9/2007 6:44:10 AM , Rating: 4
The first motion sensing controller was the Le Stick for the Atari 2600.

There's nothing new under the sun.


RE: I smell a rat
By Frank M on 1/9/2007 8:49:09 AM , Rating: 2
Yep:

Shape and Button Layout: Super Nintendo
Analog Sticks: Nintendo 64
Rumble (later removed): Nintendo 64
Motion Sensing: Wii

Did I miss any?


RE: I smell a rat
By therealnickdanger on 1/9/2007 11:01:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Analog Sticks: Nintendo 64

Technically, the SEGA Saturn had an analog thumbstick more than a year before the N64 even came out... and it was awesome. NiGHTS was a sweet game! Even so, analog sticks have been around forever.

When I think about it, there is not one aspect of modern controllers that is revolutionary in any way, just evolutionary. If anything deserves an Emmy, it's the Guitar Hero controller, but then it's only fun to use in Guitar Hero. The only real innovation left is to eliminate physical controllers and move right into cerebral control.


RE: I smell a rat
By Frank M on 1/9/2007 4:34:03 PM , Rating: 2
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original Saturn controllers didn't have analog, it was added after the N64 came out.

http://www.axess.com/twilight/console/


RE: I smell a rat
By Borat Sagdiyev on 1/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: I smell a rat
By Samus on 1/9/2007 5:27:59 PM , Rating: 2
WHAT THE HELL!!!??? ITS A WIRELESS PS2 CONTROLLER WITH A GYRO IN IT.

How in the hell is that revolutionary or award worthy?

N64 gets my vote for best controller of all time. With the exception on the original Nintendo controller (except NES MAX) Nintendo has always had pretty damn good controllers. Sony just ripped off the SNES controller originally and eventually took a note from the N64 by putting Analog sticks on it.

Although Sega, of course, invented analog sticks on 'modern' consoles with the Saturn controller, eventually used with the Dreamcast as well.


RE: I smell a rat
By scrapsma54 on 1/10/2007 6:10:18 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't doubt it, controller is fun, but not innovative.
Truly lacking the right for an award. I spite sony because they have been placing too much hype on the gaming community. Have they delivered any promises? I'm sorry but sony deserves to be called a tool.


If it works, why change it?
By cheetah2k on 1/8/2007 11:35:45 PM , Rating: 1
I think sometimes you all should think like an engineer. The SCEA controller has been around for years, and its out dated, but so are many things out there - like rubber tires and SRS airbags in cars - but we're still using them!

All i can say, is that i've had a PS2 ever since it came out, and i've never had RSI, or cramped hand/finger syndrome. I've used the Xbox and Xbox 360 controller, and they aren't really practical for all gamers. The WII remote is inovative, and takes time to get used to it.

The point is, the SCEA controller is an award winner purely because it doesnt really need to change. Sure, it could use some rumble, but thats a patent issue. But, from an engineering perspective, "If it works, why change it?"





RE: If it works, why change it?
By Steele on 1/8/2007 11:49:21 PM , Rating: 5
I'm just going to go way out on a limb here. You're not an engineer, are you? If any engineer though like that, he'd lose his PE so fast he wouldn't know what happened.

Horse-drawn carriages worked fine, so why do anything different? 8086 PCs worked fine, so why spend money developing anything better? The 1886 Daimler car, capable of up to 11 mph worked pretty good, spears can kill a person just as well as a rifle, and leeches and bleeding cured a disease or two.

If anyone actually thought like that, technology would never develop.

Steele


RE: If it works, why change it?
By cheetah2k on 1/10/2007 9:15:24 AM , Rating: 1
Personal attacks aside, I am a structural engineer working abroad, and working in an industry where quality in the design and production of tried and tested materials is of utmost importance.

My point is (you obviously missed it) some things are just not meant to be changed, especially when there are no additional requirements for an already tried and tested product. Sure PC tech, car tech, guns (after all you Americans only want to kill people anyway) and leeches. All worked perfectly fine in their day - and these old technologies are still being used!

Get married in a horse drawn carriage, a car restorer piecing together an 1886 daimler, (I still have my Amstrad CPC464 mate - PRE- 8086), spears being used in the Amazon, and by native Australians (Aborigines, just in case you dont know whats outside your own little shell) leeches are still being used in China, Japan, Europe as alternative medicine!..

While the moderator gave you a 5 for this, I think theres a whole lot of narrow mindedness going on.

I'm not a Sony fan boy either. Good on you Sony. Finally a product that didnt explode, melt, overheat or lack 1080i/p upscaling.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By Steele on 1/10/2007 2:17:40 PM , Rating: 2
Alrighty...

A structural engineer, huh? Then why are we using steel and concrete when wood and iron worked fine in the 18th century? Why, in fact, did we use those when wood and stone worked for centuries? What numbskull added rocks to his house after failing to realize that animal bones and hides didn't make a perfectly acceptable shelter?

Of course I realize that some old things are still in use. I, in fact, am restoring a 1980 (I know, not that old) Mercedes. They are not, however, usually considered innovative. I cannot think of any field of technology where there is no room for improvement. If you do, I think you should reconsider your highly narrowminded views.

My point (that YOU obviously missed) is that old technology should not win awards for being innovative. New technology does, and with your attitude, we'd never have any new technology.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By cheetah2k on 1/10/2007 9:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
Steele,

Man, you can't be an Engineer! You seem to be too high strung and a leader in your field of personal attacks - You must be in HR! hehehe

Concrete, wood, iron, rocks, numbskulls, animal bones, hides and the like dont have any relationship to Sony's controller either, and this has nothing to do about attitude, but its got everything to do with opinion and choice!

Get a grip, and take a chill pill. Obviously you've got a chip on your shoulder?? Did you get beat up by sum Sony fan boy/bully with one of these controllers?? Do you take out your anger on inanimate objects (such as Sony Controllers?)

Its obvious that you hate Engineers, you hate Sony and you probably take your remote controlled, vibrating bluetooth teddy to bed with you every night.

Anyways, who cares if the Sony controller won an award??

So, don't get me wrong mate. Inovation in technology well deserves its place and is a driving force in our everyday lives. However, lest we forget that 99% of the time new technology is founded (or stems) from old, proven, worked to death technology. With that said, i look forward to Sony releasing a new controller to feed the needs of tech freaks across the world (PS4 maybe??)

PS: Good luck on your Merc restoration. I've personally restored an MG-B and built a Clubman (lotus chassis) from scratch myself and the experience (not to mention, the end result) was extremely satisfying.



RE: If it works, why change it?
By bunnyfubbles on 1/9/2007 12:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If it works, why change it


Because it clearly isn't the best way to go, and changing wouldn't require much R&D at all to bring about a better product.

The only reasons the design of the controller remains unchanged is because Sony likes to pretend they're original, and their diehard fanboys believe it and Sony is afraid to piss off the fanboys.

From the Dreamcast to the Xbox (and 360) to the Gamecube - all systems from 3 different companies favored a far more ergonomic design combined with the primary (left) joystick in the primary position - not tacked on like when Sony decided to tag along with Nintendo and "edited" their PS controller by slapping on a pair of joysticks. That was fine for a system barely capable of driving 3D games which heavily rely on analog joysticks for superior control on the console. But when they didn't change this for the all mighty PS2 and even mightier PS3, it really makes me wonder if Sony is really focused on bringing us innovative gameplay or if they're just trying to sell their product by remaining "safe" and "familiar".

So far Sony is failing, and so far Nintendo is cleaning up with their own "gamble" by creating something that is actually unique to the industry. 3.6million consoles Nintendo has sold thus far to Sony's 1million - and 360 sales haven't dropped off like many predicted, selling nearly 2 million in the same time period.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By pjpizza on 1/9/2007 3:55:13 AM , Rating: 2
I couldn't agree more... Really. And (wait for it), I'm an automation engineer! :)


RE: If it works, why change it?
By snowydarf on 1/9/2007 11:39:27 AM , Rating: 3
Xbox has only sold 2 million because there is way more available than PS3/Wii. I don't know about PS3, but Wii will catch up to demand.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By Locutus465 on 1/9/2007 12:16:50 AM , Rating: 2
So you give the controller that didn't change all that much an award for innovation? Give me a break!


RE: If it works, why change it?
By Hawkido on 1/9/2007 3:23:44 PM , Rating: 2
You don't put a rookie in the Hall of Fame no matter how good their first season.
The fact that many Playstation owners (read most) find the controller incredibly usable across a wide variety of games is testament to the brilliant design.
The Dual Analog sticks set it apart from the N64 controller, and there were more than a few games that could effectively make use of them.
The Wii's controller requires a sensor bar, and can behave erratically sometimes. After a little experimentation, and a video clip on youtube.com (some guy demonstrates that you can replace the sensor bar with 2 lit candles) I have found that any infrared source can "distract" Wii's controller (Including some incandescent bulbs without a shade, lit cigarettes, or a fireplace. All of which can be found in many game rooms/Den's in America and Japan)
The sixaxis does support tilt AND motion on six axises (yaw, pitch, roll, x, y, and z), I too was disappointed in lack of rumble, but with a sensitive motion controller, rumble would actually hinder you in a game. Plus the sixaxis has never presented a danger to person or property, that may be a factor in the awards as well.
Speaking of sensitivity, Playing the Wii, other than using the pointer which was accurate (barring infrared distraction), I felt like a was swinging an axe. The motions it recognized were generalized. The modern day samurai game (Red Blade, I believe) didn't truly pick up on what i wanted done with the swords, it really only senses vertical or horizontal movement, and it could have been just the game, but Wii sports was the same. Bowling, however, came off great, but you had to use the D-Pad to position your self and set your throwing angle. Why could they not let you move and angle yourself? Again limitations of the sensor bar/controller. It should triangulate the controller and your orientation. I would like to play Zelda on it to see if it was just the games that were so limited, but from what I have seen it also suffers from the flick your wrist left-right/up-down.
I really like the Wii and I like the integration of some activity into a game but the controller can be exploited so you can bowl sitting down (great for handicapped players, bad for immersion) I think they should have made the controller better, eliminate the sensor bar, refine the controller so it doesn't feel like you are hitting the four points on some invisible D-Pad in the air.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By Hawkido on 1/9/2007 3:27:39 PM , Rating: 1
<sarcasm>Thanks FireFox for eliminating the spaces after all of my sentences, I was just to lazy to delete them myself</sarcasm>


RE: If it works, why change it?
By EglsFly on 1/9/2007 4:26:02 PM , Rating: 2
Good comments...

BTW, Firefox working OK here. (note spaces kept intact)

Perhaps you should look at your PREVIEW before posting your comment.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By Hawkido on 1/10/2007 10:51:01 AM , Rating: 2
I did! I swear!!! I always look over the preview! My spaces were there then they disappeared once posted.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By TheMaster on 1/9/2007 6:25:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The fact that many Playstation owners (read most) find the controller incredibly usable across a wide variety of games is testament to the brilliant design.


Exactly, I've been using computers/consoles since the late 70s and the Playstation dual shock pad is the best pad I've ever used.


RE: If it works, why change it?
By Locutus465 on 1/10/2007 6:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, well I suppose being a programmer and huge tech enthuiest I would have hoped the part winning the "most innovative" award will have been more well... Innovative.

Carlo


RE: If it works, why change it?
By aos007 on 1/9/2007 3:59:48 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. For anyone who works in IT, 90% of stress and trouble is caused by forcing change when it's not needed. Someone just MUST change something, don't they? No wonder stuff is so unreliable. I'd take less "inovation" for more stability any day of the week. Once you invent something, how about using it for a few years and reaping the rewards of stable, proven methods, good pool of trained people from sales reps to service personnel and much more? Change just for the sake of change is rarely a good idea.

Not saying innovation should stop, not even close, but as they say, truth is in the middle.

PS3 does not deserve an innovation award, though. Even if it's just due to technicality (others not being eligible).


Gratz
By Xeronix on 1/8/2007 10:32:27 PM , Rating: 1
Gratz to Sony




RE: Gratz
By ATC on 1/9/2007 1:32:07 AM , Rating: 1
I know a lot of people here hate Sony; it shows by how any remark that is positive towards Sony gets down rated in no time.

I would venture a guess that a lot people who speak so negatively regarding the 6-axis controller probably have never really used one.

I own a 360 and love its controller but after playing a PS3 last week for 3 days, I walked away really impressed by it and the sixaxis.

Before using it I never thought that its light weight, symmetrical thumb sticks, and overall shape would fit my preferences better, but they do. The BT range and response was excellent and Sony's implementation of Motion Sensitivity was great (used it in a racing game -RR7- and a 1st person shooter -Resistance).

This forum seems full of people who love taking sides (MSFT's mostly) and for no good reason. It's just a corporation that's in business to make money for god sake.

Look at Xbox's 90 day warranty that changed to 1 year recently. MSFT did that out of the goodness of their heart; God bless their soul. It wasn't at all because the PS3 had 1 year warranty as standard.

Personally I'd love for all, MSFT, Sony, Nintendo, and whoever else, to do really well and stay in business because that's the only way for them to get innovative.

Now, I cannot comment on the Wii-mote because I haven't used it. But considering that it was announced before the sixaxis and it appears to be more innovative on paper and relies more heavily on the motion aspect (even though it requires a separate receiver, unlike Sony's), I am a bit surprised by the award.


RE: Gratz
By akugami on 1/9/2007 2:18:37 AM , Rating: 5
Not to bash Sony because they do have products that are suited to the consumer, but what the heck has Sony done for their customers lately?

MP3 players that don't actually play MP3's until recently?

Loads of marketing BS including viral marketing, fake fan sites, fake movie reviews (of which Sony was on the loosing end of a class action suite) and that's on top of the outright lies. But that's only when they're not insulting their customer base.

DRM implementations that from some reports include stolen open source code. Rootkit DRM's that can seriously seriously fubar your computer.

Numerous proprietary Sony only formats, most of which have failed or only attained lukewarm reception aside from Sony's own products.

Again, to be fair, Sony does have good products such as their Wega line of TV's and some of their professional level equipment (which is not for general consumer usage). However, I consider Samsung to be the equal in many respects, especially in consumer electronics, and superior in others to Sony in this day and age. Sony seems to be a company on the decline and is running on past reputation.

I also must in the name of disclosure must say that I've got a 32" Sony LCD in the house, a PSP, have had a few PS1's and PS2's (due to them breaking) but do not yet have a PS3 due to it's insane cost for a games console. I've also got every Nintendo system to date (barring the ill fated Virtual Boy) and both the Xbox and Xbox 360 in the house. I'm hardly a Sony hater and speak from fairness.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, for the cost of the tech in the PS3, it's a good value. Judged only as a games system, it's overpriced. Judged as a Blu-Ray player, it's decently priced but at the same time Blu-Ray is not guaranteed to win the HD format wars so it's a 50/50 chance this may wind up being a doormat, as far as video watching is concerned.

If the PS3 was priced competitively with both the Xbox 360 and Wii and included a Blu-Ray drive it would have been genius to use the PS3 as a vehicle for Blu-Ray adoption but considerin the fact that the Blu-Ray drive has caused not only a $200 (or more) price increase for the PS3 as well as the fact that it has caused delays in the manufacturing of PS3's, it may wind up being the rock that sinks the lucrative Playstation ship.

One of my major major annoyances with the PS1/2/3 controller is the faux cross controller. The inside angles of the darn thing always cuts into my left thumb during animated gaming when I'm really into the game. I tend to press hard on the controller. This makes my left thumb really sore after just minutes of gaming. Nintendo owns the patent on the "true" cross controller which Sony (and most other console makers) don't want to license.

I can tell you from personal first hand experience the Wii remote is very fun to use but at the same time I think the tech needs more refining. It's ok as a first gen motion sensing controller and is further along than that found in the PS3 controller but there are still improvements that can be made. Perhaps that's on the drawing board for Wii 2.0 when it hits consumers 5-6 years down the line.

The problem with most pro Sony comments on this, and many other places, is that most smack of fanboy rantings. Let's face it, Sony had a terrible terrible 2006 and any time more negative news (caused by Sony itself) gets reported, it's another attempt by Kotaku, Dailytech, Joystiq, etc., etc., to try to bash Sony.


RE: Gratz
By ATC on 1/9/2007 4:24:22 PM , Rating: 2
I love how you started off; "Not to bash Sony..." and go on to do just that. Nice touch of hypocrisy.

Obviously you have strong feelings towards Sony and you may have a point or two to justify that. But should that then preclude the sixaxis from getting at least some recognition for being a good controller?

Your whole post was a rant that had very little to do with the sixaxis. You mentioned everything from TVs, to MP3 player to toaster ovens.

DRM? Let's all blame Sony. Not the recording industry that's forcing every manufacturer to tow the line with them.

Price the PS3 the same as the 360? They're already losing $200-300 on each PS3. By your logic they should give it away for free to increase market share, and BMW should also price their cars in line with Ford's to do the same. Give me a break.

Rootkits was a huge mistake and it was a poor , failed and over-reaching attempt by a company in the UK contracted by Sony. Sony paid dearly in bad PR in 06 and still paying for it.

Sony has always been a poor software company and that's why they always seem to contract out much of that work and it shows.

But we're talking about hardware here in the sixaxis, no?

Anyhow, it's wasted breath here it seems. As soon as I wrote that I liked the sixaxis, my post got down rated and your rant is a 5! Way to go to prove my point.

All of a sudden that post down below "lol @ DailySonyBashing" couldn't be closer to the truth.


RE: Gratz
By Etsp on 1/9/2007 5:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
My only problem with this controller winning a award is what separates it from the PS2 controller, besides it being wireless (Xbox 360 did it first) or motion sensing (Nintendo announced that first) or that it's wireless format is Bluetooth (a commonly used technology in wireless devices)?

Sure, the Wii requires the sensor bar, but NOT for motion sensing. the sensor bar is purely for pointing, and the ability to point at the screen and have that actually DO something is not a feature of the sixaxis, so why bring it up?

I liked the dual-shock controller, but what sets the sixaxis aside from it other than those non-innovative properties? THAT is why people are saying that it doesn't deserve the award... so before you claim that everyone is bashing you, try to see it from their side.


RE: Gratz
By ATC on 1/9/2007 6:36:41 PM , Rating: 2
In my original post (2 above) I said, and I still stand by it, that I am a little surprised that the sixaxis won and that the wii controller did not purely on innovation and implementation on paper, even though I haven't tried the Wii and absolutely loved using the sixaxis.


RE: Gratz
By akugami on 1/10/2007 12:22:47 AM , Rating: 3
First and foremost, the negatives I have listed for Sony are facts. Unless you care to argue about any of the negative points I have made as not being facts. And my criticism of Sony is just that, criticism about things I do not like about Sony.

I consider bashing to be unwarranted criticism or nitpicking to make a company look bad. If happen to like some of the things Sony has done that I consider negatives then that's your right and I wouldn't dream of changing your opinions. However, I'd say most people would agree with me that many of the things Sony has been caught doing in 2006 were reprehensible and brought on by Sony and not because someone (or many people) has "Defame Sony" as part of their to do list and it's most certainly not a major effort by all tech blogs and tech news sites to defame Sony.

Also, some of it wasn't based just on your comments but comments by others on how great and super duper Sony is. So forgive that part if there was any confusion, that's entirely my fault. I just didn't feel like making multiple posts when one can get my message across just fine. So I do agree that some of my points were off topic but they were in response to comments from other people. Things like this happens in a forum or other discussion area open to the general public. you'll just have to live with it.

I have multiple Sony products in the house including practically every Sony console. So it's not like I have this unwarranted hate of all things Sony. And if you want proof of this, I can easily take and host photos of the various Sony products I have lying around. I don't have any agenda against Sony but I do have things I don't like about Sony.

I do not like proprietary formats for the sake of having a proprietary format which is one thing Sony does do. It is my right as a consumer to want something that uses industry standard formats. Prime examples of this are things like UMD's and Memory Card where there is already a widely used standard but Sony creates a new format just for the sake of locking in consumers to yet another Sony format. UMD's were not better than mini-DVD's which even Sony uses and Memory Card is definitely not better than SD cards.

The reason is very simple and it has to do with licensing and royalty fees. If you use the Memory Card standard or UMD's, you need to pay money to Sony. Royalties have netted companies like Phillips (compact disc aka CD) tons of money and Sony wants a piece of the pie. It's why I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray were unable to hash out a single format.

DRM is instituted and pushed by the RIAA and MPAA, both of which has Sony or a Sony subsidiary listed among it's membership so while Sony itself is not solely to blame for DRM, it sure as heck is one of the major proponents.

And just because you implement DRM doesn't mean you have to steal someone else's works to implement your DRM as some reports have found on Sony CD's. Stealing something from someone else to use it in protecting your own stuff is a no no.

The other part of the DRM scandal is the rootkits which can be used to harbor virii and other malicious code and is difficult for the average user to remove. And when caught, Sony's whole attitude was horrid from a consumer standpoint, though I do agree with what they're saying. Certainly most consumers would not know what a rootkit is nor would they care, until it affects them negatively when they've contracted a virus or some other malware. However, that doesn't mean you can take a callous attitude towards the issue. The point wasn't that they released a product which could do damage to your computer system, which I'm not even sure the executives were aware of or they wouldn't have used this DRM implementation, it's the whole attitude after they were caught with the problematic DRM. If I had bought those CD's (I don't buy mainstream music anymore) I would consider it a slap to the face.

I do understand that both DRM schemes was not developed in house by Sony but that is no excuse. If I contracted a company to produce candy for me and they used an ingredient which was later found to cause cancer do you think consumers cared that all I did was slap my label on the candy and that none of the ingredients was dictated by me nor was it actually made by me?

As for the price of the PS3, again, I have already stated in my original post that the cost of the Blu-Ray drive pushed the cost of the PS3 up by $200 or more. If you remove the stupid Blu-Ray drive, it would indeed be price competitive with the Xbox 360. So let's see, Sony loses about $200-300 on each PS3 sold. The Blu-Ray drive, at this point in time, cost them upwards of $200 to manufacture. Would it not be logical to conclude that if you included standard DVD drives instead of Blu-Ray drives that you can knock $200 off the price of the PS3's and lose less money and be price competitive with the Xbox 360?

At a $300-450 price point, there is no question in my mind that it would slaughter the Xbox 360 and at the minimum keep pace with the Nintendo Wii. Instead, the inclusion of Blu-Ray has raised the price point of the PS3 to something that is beyond the means of your average Joe. I can afford a PS3, I choose not to buy one because I feel it is overpriced. And I'm someone who just ordered a Geforce 8800 GTS which alone cost $400 for my computer system.

Why did Sony push Blu-Ray in the PS3? My personal opinion is that it is done for royalty fees. Sony thought consumers would swallow up PS3's even if it was pricier than all other consoles out there. By using the PS3 as a vehicle for Blu-Ray, it thought it would win the HD movie format wars and not only get massive profits from the PS3 due to licensing fees for games produced on the PS3 but also the equally massive licensing fees it could gain from people selling Blu-Ray players and movies. Consider how many CD drives are out there and how many CD's are out there, be they blank or otherwise and consider that if Phillips only collected a penny on each drive or CD, it has hundreds of millions if not in the billion stage by now. This is what Sony is after. Blu-Ray was never included in the PS3 for the benefit of the consumer.

A cynical view to be sure but I doubt I am far off. It's actually a smart business move but the cost of Blu-Ray at this time is way too high and is what turned it from a smart idea to a dumb idea. Maybe if it was a year from now and the price of the drives had dropped off significantly (as they always do) it would have made much better sense.

BTW, I think Blu-Ray is the better format and that's due to the fact that even with the higher cost of manufacturing Blu-Ray discs, it has included as standard a highly scratch resistant layer that should eliminate 90% of the scratches that currently find their way on CD's and DVD's. Everything else about it seems about equal, though different, to HD-DVD.

What the heck does Ford and BMW have to do with this discussion? Last time I checked both Ford and BMW makes money on each car sold. Unlike Sony's PS3 which includes technology that became a production bottleneck limiting the number of PS3's available to consumers and also has raised the cost of the system with no noticeable benefits to the consumer. The luxury features found in a BMW does not impact it's bottom line negatively while providing dubious benefits to the consumer unlike the inclusion of Blu-Ray in the PS3.

If you like the PS3 controller, fine. It's your opinion and if you're having fun with the PS3, who am I to argue that you made the wrong choice. I just think that the standard PS1/2/3 controller while not that uncomfortable to hold has a horrid cross controller which makes it uncomfortable to use for games that are better played with a cross control for directional input. No amount of praise for this controller will ever change that for me.


RE: Gratz
By psychobriggsy on 1/9/2007 7:30:28 AM , Rating: 2
But considering that it was announced before the sixaxis and it appears to be more innovative on paper and relies more heavily on the motion aspect (even though it requires a separate receiver, unlike Sony's), I am a bit surprised by the award.

The 'Sensor Bar' is for direction, not motion. In fact it does no sensing, it is just 6 non-visible-spectrum LEDs that the Wiimote senses in its optical sensor so it can work out its orientation. This is something the SixAxis cannot do, and will never be able to do.

Having used the Wiimote I can say that it is something else entirely. It turns gaming from 'sitting, twiddling, ooh, pretty graphics, ooh i got a heart' into real fun. I can't comment on the long term aspect of the system yet - there's only so many different things you can do with such a setup (but's it's more than you can do with a standard controller) - but I think it is looking good. Especially when (if?) a lightsaber game comes out. The built-in speaker will be excellent for that, and the rumble will work when you're fighting. SixAxis. Lol.


huh?
By darkfoon on 1/8/2007 10:28:54 PM , Rating: 3
Am I the only person who would have expected the Wii remote to get an award before the SIXAXIS?

quote:
"The overwhelming consumer demand and critical acclaim for PS3 is a testament of the platform's strength and the industry's desire for a true next-generation entertainment system," said Jack Tretton

If the PS3 has such "overwhelming consumer demand", why have there been reports-in the form of comments here on DT-of PS3s simply sitting on shelves in stores? (Yes, I realize that user comments on DT are not a reliable source that stands up to scrutiny)

quote:
That’s not the only award that the PS3 is garnering for the company.
O rly?

This all sounds like Sony buying awards for its console...


quote:
Hideo Kojima, creator of the Metal Gear series, has publicly expressed his disappointment in the lack of rumble in the SIXAXIS.
I, too, find the lack of a rumble feature disappointing.


All in all, I must admit that I am biased: I played a round of Wii-bowling on a friend's Wii New Year's Eve, where as I have never even seen a PS3 in person, nor held its controller.




RE: huh?
By qwerty1 on 1/8/2007 10:40:07 PM , Rating: 2
Funny thing happened to my friend Dec 17 2006. He went to a Target to wait in line for a new shipment of Wii, but they ran out before his chance for one. Then he saw it as he was walking out in despair: a shelf full of PS3 with nobody reaching for them! He bought one and managed to resell it at a premium. Maybe other parts of the world desire PS3 heavily, but it's hard to believe when you see something like that in the heart of Silicon Valley.

And I concur that the Wii remote should have gotten the award instead. Funny how money can do so much persuasion.


RE: huh?
By Gatt on 1/8/2007 10:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
I agree.

Sony's ripped off version of the Wii and the Sidewinder gets an award? Where's MS's retroactive reward and where's Nintendo's double Emmy?

Sony's buying the awards. No different than they're long standing habit of creating false reviews of their movies. They've been caught what? Two times? Three times? Fradulently reviewing movies?

It won't help them though, they're still dead in the water. Only 1 million consoles shipped in the U.S. and they're so not in demand they sit on store shelves.


RE: huh?
By Le Québécois on 1/9/2007 12:31:24 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
If the PS3 has such "overwhelming consumer demand", why have there been reports-in the form of comments here on DT-of PS3s simply sitting on shelves in stores? (Yes, I realize that user comments on DT are not a reliable source that stands up to scrutiny)


Is this good enough then?

quote:
GameStop exec says PS3 in stock - Game retailer's COO says Sony's new console is now in abundant supply--while the Wii remains hard to come by.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163878.html

Well is GameSpot a reliable source for you?


RE: huh?
By psychobriggsy on 1/9/2007 7:44:33 AM , Rating: 3
First, can someone please for the love of god remove the java script that activates the Subject field when you're replying to a comment. Because you click in the body field, start typing and find you're typing in the subject field. It is really really really annoying.

Game retailer's COO says Sony's new console is now in abundant supply

i.e., supply > demand.

Bad news for Sony given they have no way to reduce their costs (and thus the price) in the short term, so no way to increase demand which is low because of the high price. The fact is the abundance of PS3s is well known and advertised (and the supply isn't vast either), yet people still aren't buying them. They've got some AAA titles down the line though, but you'd have to be dedicated to put down >$600 just to play a single game.

The Wii stole the PS3's thunder, and continues to do so. Everyone wants a Wii, especially once they've played on it. Demand will keep up through March, April probably. That's probably 6-8 million Wiis sold by the time Sony lower themselves to releasing the PS3 in Europe.


RE: huh?
By timmiser on 1/9/2007 6:06:46 PM , Rating: 2
Here is a link of the realtime PS3 "In/out of stock" status at various stores:

http://www.techbargains.com/buyps3.htm



Just seems odd
By DeathBUA on 1/8/2007 10:23:53 PM , Rating: 3
I'm kinda surprised at this. You'd think this was something the Wii-mote would win. *confused*

SIXAXIS is nice....but it's not nearly IMO as the Wii-mote.

*shrug*

But I'm a consumer what do I know heh....




RE: Just seems odd
By DeathBUA on 1/8/2007 10:25:32 PM , Rating: 2
EDIT: SIXAXIS is nice....but it's not -as innovative IMO- as the Wii-mote


RE: Just seems odd
By m0mentary on 1/8/2007 10:25:49 PM , Rating: 2
exactly what I was wondering. maybe the wii wasn't elgible to win anything.


RE: Just seems odd
By Seymourbbuts on 1/9/2007 12:09:13 AM , Rating: 5
Yeah, it's because Nintendo doesn't own a movie studio.


RE: Just seems odd
By FITCamaro on 1/9/2007 6:50:39 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously. The Wii's controller is far more innovative than a PS2 controller with redone L/R2 triggers and tilt sensing.

That award is bullshit.


PAYOFF
By tkSteveFOX on 1/9/2007 9:23:47 AM , Rating: 2
this is corruption at its best.I have never seen something so rediculios as this.Sony be serious.I never believed that sony would drop so low as to pay for an award that`s a shame it`s a japanese company and yet they have no honor.




RE: PAYOFF
By jtyson on 1/9/2007 9:41:00 AM , Rating: 1
So you have proof of said payoff, right? No? Then you were there when it happened, right? No? You're just an idiot who can't capitolize proper nouns or put a space after their periods? Yeah? Oh, well that explains it...


RE: PAYOFF
By Chaser on 1/9/2007 11:58:55 AM , Rating: 2
Capitalize :)


RE: PAYOFF
By jtyson on 1/9/2007 3:23:56 PM , Rating: 1
Hahaha thanks :)


RE: PAYOFF
By jtyson on 1/9/2007 9:45:49 AM , Rating: 2
Zuh?
quote:
that`s a shame it`s a japanese company and yet they have no honor.

That's like a Jewish company that has no money, right? Mmm, sterotypes! My favorite! Dumbass...


enlightenment is only a link away...
By strikermlc on 1/9/2007 9:20:52 PM , Rating: 3
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/oops-sony-decla...

Daily Tech - can you guys update the article to reflect the egg on Sony's face?




By Marcus Yam on 1/10/2007 2:18:28 AM , Rating: 3
There's been so much confusion over this topic that I'm going to contact Sony and the Emmy people first thing in the morning to get the definitive answer.

In the meantime, here's the official Emmy list... so Sony DID win something. They even won for the XMB.
http://www.emmyonline.org/emmy/advmedia_winners_re...


Emmy's Rationale
By Houdani on 1/9/2007 10:32:24 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that the Wiimote is a finer piece of engineering than the SIXAXIS. However, the Wii (and thus the Wiimote) are not eligible for an Emmy since the Wii is "only" a gaming console.

The PS3, on the other hand, is a media delivery system which (in)directly affects television.

While I think the award is dubious due to its obvious fluffiness, nonetheless the SIXAXIS is eligible but the Wiimote is not.

http://www.emmys.tv/interactive/
http://www.emmys.org/awards/rulesnprocedures.php




RE: Emmy's Rationale
By jtyson on 1/9/2007 11:01:36 AM , Rating: 1
Is you sure it didn't say nothin' 'bout no payoffs er illegitimate wheelins and dealins at that therr "website" you got therr?

Wow, someone who actually decided to research the rules regarding the award, instead of just taking up space with dumb posts! I can't believe it! Nice work, Houdani. That explains a lot.


RE: Emmy's Rationale
By vdig on 1/9/2007 1:38:52 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the rule offerings. Makes sense. Still, the SIXAXIS (of evil) does not really do anything for TV media at the moment. It just has the potential to. Oh well. Hope that award means Sony has something up their sleeves in this area of media, and is not just a bought award.


Award eligibility
By sri2000 on 1/9/2007 12:42:33 PM , Rating: 2
Conspiracy theorists: please note that to receive an award from the Academy, you have to be a member of the Academy - and doing work in the US TV industry.

Obviously, some of the Sony engineers who designed the SixAxis are members with TV work experience, while Nintendo's engineers are not. Also, the PS3 is a "media device" (playing DVD & Blueray movies) which puts them in the TV industry while the the Wii is strictly a game console, which is not part of the TV-biz.




RE: Award eligibility
By EglsFly on 1/9/2007 4:18:52 PM , Rating: 3
I think sri2000 might have hit the nail on the head here about eligibility.

Also, I think the rumble feature is OK, but is overrated and could care less about it IMHO.


???
By AssMonkey76 on 1/8/2007 11:48:15 PM , Rating: 2
How the heck is this possible? I was in Best Buy last week just looking around. I went to play the PS3 demo and when I looked down to the cabinet, I saw like 6 or so PS3's sitting there. I asked the Best Guy salesman if they were empty boxes..he said they were the real deal and had been sitting there for several days.

Hmmmm, I think Sony may lose their lunch on this current gen war. The units stopped selling! Anyway, I just read about the new Xbox 360 with HDMI and a 120GB HDD coming out real soon...I think I will have to finally get one.

Poor, poor Sony....:(




RE: ???
By thejez on 1/9/2007 12:53:54 AM , Rating: 2
same here ... went to best buy, circuit city and gamestop the other night and every single one has ps3's sitting there in stock... and the all had signs up about them having them and asking people to buy them... lol not a Wii to be found... in fact people are still camping for Wiis!


Pathetic
By DangerIsGo on 1/9/2007 12:45:02 AM , Rating: 4
My jaw dropped when I saw the headline for this article. Are you serious.

quote:
and the motion sensing technology is implemented to a far greater degree in Nintendo’s Wii console.


Couldnt have said it any better. The Wii's motion sensing of the wii-mote puts the ps3s controller to shame. 'OMgZ I can tilt it up and down, left and right! OmGz!' Look at what the wii-remote is capable of vs what the ps3s is. Sure it may have more buttons and is older than Jesus, but I smell a scam, money was involved...and it was given from sony to the judges.




but they made a major mistake!
By l3ored on 1/9/2007 1:47:23 AM , Rating: 2
the left joystick is in the wrong place. it should be swapped with the d pad. that is hands down, a superior location.




RE: but they made a major mistake!
By NotAok on 1/9/2007 9:35:55 AM , Rating: 2
I agree 100%

this has always been a gripe with me. The joysticks are too damn close and the left one would benefit from being in the d-pads spot.

But regarding this award, it's complete bs. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. The controller, if anything, is a step backwards due to the lack of rumble support. the motion sensing it has in it was already in the Wii long before it and, as others have mentioned, it was also seen in previous controllers. (maybe not as advanced but similar)


wtf
By grimdeath on 1/9/2007 2:47:20 AM , Rating: 2
ok, there are 2 options as everyone has stated:
1. sony has paid them off...yes this does happen though I wouldn't expect it from the Emmys
2. nintendo is not eligible for the award.

As I remember it, Wii's controller was announced sooner and with alot more function and then sony announced their sixaxis with limited tilt features. No matter, even the sony fanboys cant help but admit that the wii-mote has more innovation by leaps and bounds since its not a modified ps1 controller with tilt actions




RE: wtf
By Legolias24 on 1/9/2007 9:04:32 AM , Rating: 2
Grimdeath, I think you hit the nail on the head with point number 2. Does anyone here actually know what the criteria is for:
a) being eligible for this award category
b) being eligible to win the category

Until someone can give me the actual criteria for this award, I'm going to remain firmly in the belief that all you Sony-bashers are just talking out your @$$! (as usual!)

Yes it is true that the Wii controller is far more innovative than the Six Axis. But aside from sports games, I've read several reviews of games i.e. Red Steel that listed the controller as one of the negatives. Now I've read more reviews of Wii games largely because the controller is an interesting concept and I wanted to know how well it was being implemented. So far, I'd say that game developers need to go back to the drawing board and continue working with the controller.

All in all, congrats to Sony!


Is this a joke?
By Rob94hawk on 1/9/2007 12:51:38 AM , Rating: 3
My shoulder was sore from playing a few days of Wii Sports.

My 8 year old son is up and all over the place with the Wii.

I don't think I've seen anyone swinging, throwing, and moving their whole body till they're sore with a PS3 remote.

They should call this award the "Bull Sh!t I'm full of Crap" award.




The controller has come a long way.
By VIAN on 1/9/2007 2:15:07 AM , Rating: 1
PSX introduced an original light-weight controller, whose design has been around for more than a decade and has set the standard for all other controllers.

Version 2 of the controller, dubbed "Dual Shock," introduced dual analog sticks and a rumble feature. (I still can't get used to those analog sticks.)

Version 3 of the controller, dubbed "Dual Shock 2," introduced with the PS2, improved the controller by adding pressure sensitive buttons. (I'm not a big fan of that either. Although it's a great way to get more functions into the controller, it just never felt natural to me. I had to exert too much force on the buttons.)

Version 4 of the controller, dubbed "SixAxis," (I guess) introduced with the PS3, improved the controller by going wireless, adding motion sensing capabilities, and changing L2 and R2 to triggers. Although it did lose the vibration feature. (I can't decide whether losing the vibration feature is a good or bad thing.)

So it has been around for ages and gone through many additions and that's the great thing about this controller. It kept a great design and added new, interesting features while keeping design changes to a minimum. It's a great feat and Sony deserves credit here. Why change a controller that works!




By snowydarf on 1/9/2007 1:15:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why change a controller that works!


Didn't you just state about four reasons?


Conspiracy?
By Imaginer on 1/9/2007 9:59:54 PM , Rating: 3
I never heard of an Emmy catagory like that before. Perhaps its recently fabricated just so that it is awarded to Sony. o_O




By Le Québécois on 1/8/2007 11:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
Sony may or may not have a great console with the PS3, only time will tell, but I don't see how this could affect this award choice for a controller.

The SIXAXIS may really be a great controller but for me it's more of a slow evolution from the :PSone controller + nintendo 64 analogue stick = PS2 controller + wireless + wii like fonction = PS3 SIXAXIS.

Nintendo seems to have a much better and innovative controller for me but I have yet to test either one of those controllers.

If only I knew which were the criteria of selection for this award then I could have a better understanding of this choice as winner. Because for now the PS3 seems to be lagging behind Microsoft for HD games and Nintendo for innovative games. So I don't see what is so great about the SIXAXIS right now, maybe in 1 year , but not now.




Funny
By MikeO on 1/9/2007 6:53:56 AM , Rating: 2
It's only 9 days into 2007 and I can already say with full confidence that this is one of the best tech jokes of the year. I wasn't scratching my head, I was laughing with tears in my eyes.




haha
By ttnuagadam on 1/9/2007 8:46:35 AM , Rating: 2
Im sorry, but thats a load of horseshit. Besides if demand was so high like they say there wouldnt be ps3's sitting on store shelves while the Wii continues to sell out.




Um what?
By encryptkeeper on 1/9/2007 12:10:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have heard ONE person speak highly of the SIXAXIS, and 5 minutes later he agreed the Wiimote was better with more advantages. Nuff' said.




Why are you all bitching about PS3 controller?
By aos007 on 1/9/2007 3:42:31 PM , Rating: 2
How is it not innovative? Name one other controller that has its connection drop out on average once an hour? How is use of sparsely used 2.4GHz for wireless communication NOT innovative? And how about them trigger buttons that get activated just for resting your hand on them?

That said, Resistance is a far more fun game than Gears of Wars. I wanted to break the Xbox360 console and controller while playing that many times. Great graphics only go so far when you have terrible close up cammera and useless peashooter weapons. While Resistance is simply fun, which is what a game should be (though switching weapons is painful but at least you get to have more than two weapons unlike Gears where rocket launchers and hammer of dawn are just gimmicks with way too many limitations to warrant carrying them around). At least Greg Kasavin is finally gone from Gamespot, and with him hopefully there will be less hyping of games that don't deserve it.




You are kidding me...
By KaiserCSS on 1/9/2007 8:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
Please excuse my French, but this is total bullshit. I'm sure the posters before me were quick to point out Sony's influence in the entertainment business more than likely assisted Sony in somehow scrounging up this award... in my current opinion, the Emmy has lost a lot of credibility and prestige due to this mockery. Not to mention that this control cloned the key feature of their competitor's. Something is definitely going on here... then again, it's Hollywood... somethings always going on.




They won a award for this?
By barryxb on 1/10/2007 1:05:19 AM , Rating: 2
Copy the wii controller and the 360 controller and win a award, what a rip off. They didn't announce the motion sensing util they found out nintendo had it and I honestly believe that was their way of not letting nintendo steal the show. As far as the 360 controller goes, hey lets use the jewel button like microsoft, hey thats original. Yeah I did just rip on sony, but when they pull shit like this they deserve it! enough said




I smell a rat
By Pacsun on 2/2/2007 11:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
Sony didnt win an emmy. They lie. Nintnedo did for the d pad design from the 80s. theres one more thing sony lied about. The console sucks anyways, my wal mart was about 13 of em in stock since like 2 weeks ago.




GO-GO-GADGET CONSPIRACY!!!
By jtyson on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: GO-GO-GADGET CONSPIRACY!!!
By jtyson on 1/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: GO-GO-GADGET CONSPIRACY!!!
By jtyson on 1/9/07, Rating: -1
"Scratching their heads..."
By SunAngel on 1/8/07, Rating: -1
RE: "Scratching their heads..."
By vdig on 1/9/2007 9:11:41 AM , Rating: 2
I like many Sony products. I think the PSP is a nice portable system that needs more quality games, though not necessarily graphically expensive to make. Bring over more PSP titles from overseas, dangit. I think the PS2 has the greatest roster of titles I have ever seen. However, the PS3 just does not have enough titles to currently justify the price, nor do I think the new controller is at all anywhere near the Wii's controller in terms of end user experience revelations. Trauma Center, Zelda, Elebits, Rayman and Excitetruck are impressive first impressions that promise even more interesting titles down the road.

Sony still has a chance to get me, but for others it depends on whether the Wii and 360 killer apps gets released before the PS3 has a decent library. I'm waiting for Metroid Prime 3, Lost Planet, and Final Fantasy 13. Sony should be grateful to Konami and Kojima for MGS4.


RE: "Scratching their heads..."
By jtyson on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: "Scratching their heads..."
By vdig on 1/9/2007 2:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
...therefore, Kojima should be grateful to Sony, yes? So long as Konami does not demand further sequels to the MGS series, yes, I guess he should be. Perhaps that sentiment should go both ways.

I too doubt an MGS will appear on the Wii. However, it is looking quite good that after MGS4 is done, he will develop something for the Wii.

One thing that I always view the Sony consoles is that it is virtually THE source for RPG variety, bar none. Good grief, there are a ton of RPGs for the PS1 and PS2. If that continues, the PS3 will eventually get me. Just, not yet.


RE: "Scratching their heads..."
By jtyson on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
lol
By Dg01 on 1/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: lol
By rockyct on 1/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: lol
By VooDooAddict on 1/9/2007 12:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
Most of these people probably are just angry with Sony for some of the same reasons I am...

- Rootkit/Malware DRM that has effected friends and family... I'm sorry but it's not easily forgotten when a major brand name is behind the reason you need to help out friends and family with a problem.

- Building a console that's ridiculously expensive that many people need to make a special savings for. The other thing about consoles that make them fun is the social aspect ... if your friends and co-workers can't afford them then you can't really have conversations about games you've both played during the lunch break.

That anger causes people to spot the negative easily. It's natural as there's plenty of good reasons why people are holding a grudge against Sony as a brand.


RE: lol
By encryptkeeper on 1/9/2007 12:15:43 PM , Rating: 3
Well...when Sony WASN'T screwing everything up no one was complaining were they? How DARE we complain about a product line that was excellent and has now not lived to our expectations!!! We should be damn happy about the PS3, even though it's obviously not as enticing a product as the PS2 was. Shame on us for being angry at being let down. I'm TOTALLY disgusted with myself! And Nintendo, ohhhhh don't get me started on that profitable, gamer friendly, inexpensive console they just put out. I mean hell, we were disappointed with the Gamecube, and the thought that their next product should be so much better, and that we would be happy with it is APPALLING.


when daily tech includes a sony topic...
By michal1980 on 1/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: when daily tech includes a sony topic...
By encryptkeeper on 1/9/2007 12:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
Goddamn dude. Switch to decaf. Grow up. Don't get your panties in a wad. Chill out. Calm down. Go away. Don't get so excited. It's not the end of the world. Get that sand out of your vagina. No one wants to hear your whining. Shut the fuck up. Piss off. Owned. Plutoed. In case that doesn't get through your fucking head, take some time away from DailyTech and post somewhere else. WE ALL HATE YOU HERE.


RE: when daily tech includes a sony topic...
By Legolias24 on 1/9/2007 1:38:52 PM , Rating: 2
You know for once Michael1980 actually has a point (normally I don't agree with you Michael but on this one I do). People who claim to hate Sony talk a helluvalot more about them, than any other company...at least as far as I can tell. And majority of the time, the comments are all negative (I've seen times where comments are mostly positive)

The minute something bad comes out about Sony, the boards here are all a twitter with gossip, rumour, speculation, and degrading comments about Sony. The minute something bad happens to some other company, you get maybe a handful of comments that seem to lack the same passion and fervor that grips people when talking about Sony.

Now if Sony does something good...say win an award or pump out a decent product. The boards are again filled with people eager to post their 2 cents...mostly its of the negative kind!

You tell Michael to:
quote:
Switch to decaf| Don't get so excited...
and so on yet it is quite apparent by your rapid fire sentences that you my friend should switch to decaf. Your entire post reeks of a 'kiddy' all hopped up on sugar and caffeine.

So to you Sir Encryptkeeper, I'd recommend you lay off the decaf for a while and perhaps maybe read someone's comments instead of just reading the posters name and jumping to conclusions that their post is bad!


By encryptkeeper on 1/9/2007 5:08:46 PM , Rating: 2
It's time to play "Let's analyze the stupid post". Yes, it's everyone's favorite game at DailyTech. First off it's Legolias24 with such phrases as
"Sir Encryptkeeper"
My response? Well, I haven't achieved knighthood yet, but thanks for the nod.
"Your entire post reeks of a 'kiddy' all hopped up on sugar and caffeine...I'd recommend you lay off the decaf for a while"
My response? I'm not really sure. You tell me I'm hopped up on sugar and caffeine, but then tell me to lay off the decaf...I'm not really sure what you want me to do.
"ead someone's comments instead of just reading the posters name and jumping to conclusions that their post is bad!"

OK this has gone on far enough. michael1980 is well known on this board as being the most ANNOYING poster around. How about know something about what you are talking about before trying to put me down, because it just won't work.


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