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Apple says that the new iPad's temperature readings are within spec

Apple's new iPad has been burning up the sales charts since its official launch this past Friday. The company announced yesterday that it has sold over 3 million iPads since its launch.
 
However, some iPad owners have been complaining about the heat generated in their expensive new tablets. Some users have reported that the iPad gets warm to the touch when used normally, whereas the previous generation iPad 2 kept cool to the touch. Others claim to have been given an error message telling them to allow the iPad to cool down -- a thread over at the Apple Support Communities has 266 replies regarding the issue.
 
Tweakers.net even went so far as to measure the temperature of both the iPad 2 and the new iPad using an infrared camera after running GLBenchmark. After running the benchmark; the iPad 2 recorded a surface temperature of 82.9 degrees F while the new iPad was nearly ten degrees higher at 92.5 degrees F.
 
Seeing as how Apple doesn't want another "Batterygate" or "Antennagate" on its hand, the company today released an official statement regarding the matter according to AllThingsD:
 
The new iPad delivers a stunning Retina display, A5X chip, support for 4G LTE plus 10 hours of battery life, all while operating well within our thermal specifications. If customers have any concerns they should contact AppleCare.
 
The difference in temperature is no doubt linked to the quad-core GPU (the A5X chip now requires a heatsink) and the beefed up battery (42.5 watt-hours versus 24 watt-hours) contributes to the added heat. But according to Apple, concerned users should just take a chill pill or seek professional help.

Updated @ 3:27pm
Consumer Reports has performed its own tests on the new iPad and found that the tablet reached 113 F running on battery power when playing Infinity Blade II. That figure jumped to 116 F when plugged in. Both temperatures were over 10 F higher than an iPad 2

Sources: AllThingsD, Engadget/Tweakers.net, Apple Support Communities, Consumer Reports


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Your holding it wrong!
By fic2 on 3/20/2012 12:56:20 PM , Rating: 5
Your holding it wrong!

(oh, come on - you know you expected this)




RE: Your holding it wrong!
By Denigrate on 3/20/2012 1:13:32 PM , Rating: 3
Nah, this is to help the iSheeple stay warm in winter.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By retrospooty on 3/20/2012 1:17:32 PM , Rating: 3
LOL...

I really don't like Apple's reactions to quality issues. Instead of saying something to the effect of "we are looking into reports of [whatever issue]" they always first start off with an insulting tone, as if users are stupid and don't know how to hold a phone, or don't know what feels hot.

Then again, outside of making nicely spec'd products, nothing apple says or does is very impressive. Buncha a$$holes.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/20/2012 1:30:39 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I really don't like Apple's reactions to quality issues. Instead of saying something to the effect of "we are looking into reports of [whatever issue]" they always first start off with an insulting tone, as if users are stupid and don't know how to hold a phone, or don't know what feels hot.

Yup, this isn't exactly new. The first generation iPad was notorious for overheating and would often die when outdoors in bright sunlight:
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Red+Hot+iPad+Gets+...

As was iPhone 3GS:
http://www.dailytech.com/Like+a+Vampire+Sunlight+C...

And then there's the 100+ Celsius temperature experienced in some MacBook Pros:
http://www.dailytech.com/New+i7+MacBooks+Hitting+1...

Now you could easily blame Intel as their processor was one of the main heat sources, but Intel's engineers blasted Apple, saying that Apple doesn't care about heating issues and intentionally skirts spec requirements to make its packaging more sleek and attractive. A presenter said that Apple considers cooling "an afterthought":
http://www.dailytech.com/IDF+2011+Intel+Presenter+...

Apple has been sued several times for this. I smell another suit. But how much can it complain? It has "more money" than it knows what to do with, according to its CEO:
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+CEO+Tim+Cook+We+Hav...

What's a measly $100M USD in class action payout when people are gobbling this tablet up like (literally) hot cakes, regardless of whatever quality issues it has.

The new iPad could be a pretty-looking, non-functional thin metal brick practically and people would still line up for it and celebrate it.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By kleinma on 3/20/2012 1:55:19 PM , Rating: 3
Jason, people can't even consider to blame intel considering:

-intel publishes specs on what kind of heat its CPU will give off, and what its safe operating temps are. It is up to the OEM using the intel chip to make sure the temps are within the spec of the hardware being used.

-the same CPUs are in millions of Windows based notebooks, and only in some very extreme cases (person has 3 cats worth of hair in the heat vent, or the fan has died/locked up) have I seen a CPU overheating in a PC based notebook.

-The intel argument could only be made for Mac products anyway, any heat issues with iPod/iPad/iPhone which are all using ARM CPUs, would leave the least common denominator as Apple...

Remember, it is the company who's founder was not an engineer who cared more about the inside looking "beautiful" than to be functional or done properly.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By Motoman on 3/20/2012 2:13:12 PM , Rating: 5
...and for the few faults you've mentioned, let alone all the others that have been plastered all over the internet for Macolytes to ignore, has Apple suffered at all?

Nope.

For what possible reason would Apple ever care about the quality of it's designs and/or QC it's products? They sell everything they make to the iTards anyway. If they produced good products with good designs with good quality...well, the only thing that would do is increase their COGS. No point in investing in quality or design when everything you do is a massive sell-out anyway.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By retrospooty on 3/20/2012 2:41:21 PM , Rating: 5
You gotta admit, Apple has done a great job with marketing the perception that they dont have quality issues. Its not at all true, but most people arent aware of it.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By testerguy on 3/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: Your holding it wrong!
By retrospooty on 3/21/2012 10:11:25 AM , Rating: 5
"This is just nonsense."

Everything you post here is nonsense. You only post in Apple article's and you only post defending Apple. That makes everything you say irrelevant. If you would once in a while have an opinion outside the Applesphere or even call a turd a turd even if its Apple's turd once in a while, people might take you seriously. Until then, you are nothing but an agenda driven nutjob.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By tamalero on 3/21/2012 11:42:15 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, its worse than a cult.
the PR Brainwashing regarding "Magical" flawless devices was ridiculous.
not to mention the blatant lying of Mr. Jobs or shifting the blame to anyone but themselves.


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By EnzoFX on 3/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: Your holding it wrong!
By Uncle on 3/20/2012 9:58:56 PM , Rating: 2
"users are stupid and don't know how to hold a phone, or don't know what feels hot." Whats your point, we already knew this, anything new to add to this thread.:)


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By DeluxeTea on 3/21/2012 2:28:25 AM , Rating: 2
Typical Apple reaction:

Consumers: There is X problem on this iDevice!
Apple: It is well within expectations and specifications.
Consumers: Okay if you say so.
(After a few weeks)
Apple: Hey we fixed that tiny problem.
Consumers: Best customer service ever! Apple is the greatest!


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By ipay on 3/20/2012 2:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
Sometime in the next months...

"And now, for your pleasure, we introduce the new iHotPad!"
http://www.tipjunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/0...

"Now, you can grab your new iPad without getting a burn. And it's compatible with iOven too."
http://www.clonedinchina.com/wp-content/uploads/20...


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By ProZach on 3/20/2012 3:12:00 PM , Rating: 2
A customer support 'expert' replies: "If naughty users install another internet browser to watch filthy material, it will get hot. This is not even covered by extended warranty because Safari is 100% porn-free. We suggest you purchase the Hot Potato App, which displays a startling image of a spud while prompting the holder to toss the unit to another person causing the air to cool the device down. Oops, we forgot you don't have any friends. Sorry, youer SOL sucker! Have a nice day." /iRony


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By TSS on 3/20/2012 6:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
It's good to see that even though steve has passed on, some things will remain the same...


RE: Your holding it wrong!
By BruceLeet on 3/20/2012 9:53:53 PM , Rating: 2
I like Apple bashers as much as the next guy but come on...

You're*

Remember folks, Apple bashing does not grant you grammar immunity.


Even Apple can't defy the laws of physics
By corduroygt on 3/20/2012 4:43:02 PM , Rating: 2
A5X has twice the GPU of the A5 but produced with the same 45nm process as the A5, of course it's going to get hotter than the ipad 2 when playing 3D accelerated games. It's simple physics.

Still, the majority use it to view photos, watch videos, and check e-mail and surf the web, and they will not be affected.

ipad 4 will fix the problem with the A6 CPU made on 28/32 nm.




RE: Even Apple can't defy the laws of physics
By retrospooty on 3/20/2012 4:48:21 PM , Rating: 2
Hotter yes, but too hot means there is an issue. Devices too hot to hold and setting off their own internal heat sensor's triggering error notifications is not "well within our thermal specifications"


RE: Even Apple can't defy the laws of physics
By retrospooty on 3/21/2012 8:48:56 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, so your's is OK, therefore all the people reporting issues are full of crap?

Seriously, just take the blinders off and then take your one sided bias and refusal to see any flaws in Apple over to the official Apple forums, where you will find a ton of Apple fans and customers experiencing extreme heat issues. To the point where it cant be held. Some after only 10 mins of use. Many are reporting that its the LCD. Turning brightness all the way down helps alot.

This is gonna get alot louder, so prepare your pro Apple excuses now, your gonna need them.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/21/2012 6:58:05 PM , Rating: 2
What percentage of a percentage are we talking about here? I'm not saying that they're full of crap, I said earlier that manufacturing errors like misapplied TIM could be the culprit. This doesn't mean that it is a widespread problem. Nobody I know with an iPad has had these issues, and I myself tested HD games for an hour and I saw no problems. Is it wrong for me to report that?

Until this is proven to be something on the scale of the XBox 360 failures (I and many of my friends are on their third XBox, and one is on his sixth), then it is way overblown.

Based on your tone it seems that your own one-sided bias wants to see this happen, and for your sake maybe it will. If it is a few hundred cases out of the 40-50 million iPads that will be sold this year, then who cares, that is well within the range for product defects. Exchange and be done with it, easy.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/21/2012 7:15:57 PM , Rating: 1
And to be clear, even the Consumer Reports article that reported temperatures far higher than other sites said that it got "warm but never uncomfortable".

Hysteria to drive page hits/stimulate the circlejerk. You should know better.


RE: Even Apple can't defy the laws of physics
By retrospooty on 3/22/2012 7:17:59 AM , Rating: 2
I have no idea. It's really early yet, but I would highly doubt it would be anywhere near as bad as the Xbox 360 (or any given Treo ever built for that matter).

My only point was that Apple's attitude that it isnt an issue is crap. Acting like these people with super hot units are retards isnt really helpful. I think your probably right, poorly applied thermal goop.... Or possibly that some LCD's run alot hotter than others. I have seen reports of people turning down their brightness greatly helping the issue.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/22/2012 3:07:56 PM , Rating: 2
I see. I dunno, "If customers have any concerns they should contact AppleCare" doesn't seem like a crap attitude response to me.

/shrugs


By TakinYourPoints on 3/21/2012 11:15:34 PM , Rating: 2
There was a thread asking about this on Shacknews, a PC gaming website I spend most of my forum time in. Feedback is all the same, at worst it gets a little warm: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=27874715#item_2...

Wow, I guess PC gamers have their fanboy blinders on too. But please, keep riding that wave of media hysteria.


And?
By zlandar on 3/20/2012 1:27:28 PM , Rating: 3
I've noticed the iPad gets warm to the touch after a half hour of gaming. I don't notice it while web browsing.

My Touchpad stays cool to the touch. It's also a POS that weighs a ton with a crappy screen in comparison and performs like a slug compared to the iPad. It's probably going to stay cool since it sits in the closet collecting dust.




RE: And?
By TakinYourPoints on 3/20/2012 6:15:46 PM , Rating: 2
I played Real Racing 2 HD for about a half hour. It runs at native 2048x1536 resolution with 4x anti-aliasing. It got a little warm but nothing to write home about. With normal usage I don't feel a thing. It certainly didn't get hotter than any smartphone I've used when trying to pull 3G data in an area with a weak signal.

I don't like the game very much but I'll test Infinity Blade II at some point, maybe that'll cook it up.


RE: And?
By TakinYourPoints on 3/20/2012 6:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
I played Infinity Blade II for almost 30 minutes and it didn't feel any hotter than my iPad 2, which is to say it got lukewarm. It was certainly cooler than a phone when browsing with a very weak signal. My Nintendo 3DS actually gets much more annoyingly warm (I can't say it gets "hot"), and I've never been concerned that the thing presents a hazard.

I was expecting a hot plate based on the response here. I read the Consumer Reports article to see how their conditions were different from mine and then this jumped out at me:
quote:
During our tests, I held the new iPad in my hands. When it was at its hottest, it felt very warm but not especially uncomfortable if held for a brief period.


This is close to my experience except that it didn't get very warm, just lukewarm. Either way, nobody is going to get burned on this thing unless there is something seriously wrong like TIM not contacting the SoC and heat spreader properly.


RE: And?
By mcnabney on 3/21/2012 12:08:49 PM , Rating: 2
In a climate controlled or cool room there really shouldn't be a problem. iPad has plenty of surface area to radiate the heat.

The problem is when summer rolls around and people want to use it outside. Heat won't be able to effectively radiate and will build-up. That is when problems will occur. Don't plan on sitting at a park in Phoenix this July and spending the afternoon playing HD video games. Canadians can safely ignore this problem entirely though.


RE: And?
By TakinYourPoints on 3/21/2012 6:52:41 PM , Rating: 2
This is certainly true, but the iPad was always bad in outdoor heat anyway. I don't like using LCDs outdoors in any case due to all the light (laptops, tablets, etc). The only device I do use in sunlight is my Kindle.


Cooldown time?
By FITCamaro on 3/20/2012 2:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
I don't care about how cool or hot it is 5 minutes after I'm doing something stressful. I care about how hot it is WHILE I'm doing something stressful.

If its 92F after five minutes of cooling down, I'd hate to think how hot it was while it was actually running GLBenchmark. I'd guess over 100F easily. If not around 110. Aluminum cools off quickly.




RE: Cooldown time?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/20/2012 2:58:57 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry Fit, I misread Tweakers' report. They tested it five minutes into benchmarking, not five minutes after benchmarking. I've corrected it in the article.

Sorry for the confusion.


RE: Cooldown time?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/20/2012 3:20:05 PM , Rating: 2
Also, to your point, Consumer Reports got it up to 116 F when running Infinity Blade II:

http://news.consumerreports.org/electronics/2012/0...


my thoughts exactly
By kattanna on 3/20/2012 12:50:09 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
But according to Apple .. users should just .. seek professional help.


I have always thought that myself

LOL




By zero2dash on 3/20/2012 12:53:11 PM , Rating: 2
I mean, it's not like there's ever been G5's with leaking coolant or MacBook fires. Oh wait....surely those are FEATURES, just like everything else.




Yep
By Rage187 on 3/20/2012 2:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
Mine gets hot just surfing the web. I have all but wifi turned off. It's hot enough that I have to flip it over and use the other side.




Already on my second iPad 3
By Lord 666 on 3/20/2012 3:12:04 PM , Rating: 2
First one had a bad screen with 25% of it much darker and odd shades of green. Grand central was all out of my model so went to 5th ave location.

My only request was I received a brand new one from a sealed box and that I get to keep the box because of the matching serial numbers for Feb 2013. He at first was taken back, but did so and even went above the expectation by including the additional charger, cable, and headphones. Well played and what a difference between the broken one and the working one.

Still bummed about the weight increase, guess that will be the big selling feature when the die goes to 32 or 22nm.




By jnemesh on 3/20/2012 3:56:00 PM , Rating: 2
My Toshiba Thrive seems to run cool as a cucumber when I am playing games, surfing, or watching videos! It even stays cool when I have my external hard drive plugged in via USB and playing video to my 61" TV over the integrated HDMI port! :)




pretty over everything
By zephyrprime on 3/20/2012 5:45:08 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with Apple is all they care about is how pretty something is and they will sacrifice reliability, usability, and functionality in order attain more prettyness. I had an ipad 1 and it's speaker setup was annoying as hell just because Steve Jobs would never allow forward facing speakers to mar the clean aesthetics of the ipad. Now that the ipad has so much more horsepower, it need a ventilation slots or a bigger heatsink to keep it cool but apple would never want ventilation slots on the ipad because it make it less pretty.




theme song
By Etern205 on 3/20/2012 9:02:47 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrhf_zgtmAg
goes pretty well with ipad3




faster = warmer
By Argon18 on 3/21/2012 12:45:24 AM , Rating: 1
faster performance = more heat. not too surprising. so what if its a few degrees warmer? if it's still well within spec, there is no issue. people buy the latest "extreme edition" intel cpu's, even though they put out massive amounts of heat. why? because they're faster.




RE: faster = warmer
By TakinYourPoints on 3/21/2012 1:55:33 AM , Rating: 1
They don't even get that hot. I ran Infinity Blade II and Real Racing 2 HD for 30 minutes each and the iPad got warm, but certainly not hot. The 3DS and cell phones straining against a bad signal put out more obvious heat in my experience.


Impatient
By rburnham on 3/23/2012 6:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
Apple made the iPad 3 (and that's what it is, not the New iPad or whatever stupid name they picked) to be more powerful, but they didn't bother to use hardware that had the same thermal envelope as the previous models. Why? This isn't very hard. Intel and AMD are constantly putting out CPUs that are more powerful and use less power than previous generation CPUs.

I wonder if this is related to the way Apple turned down using AMD chips in their laptops because AMD was taking too long. Has Apple's impatience finally caught up with them?




By overlandpark4me on 3/24/2012 10:47:04 PM , Rating: 2
Ignore, deny, rinse, then repeat.




why people keeping apple's stuff?
By namhuy on 3/25/2012 3:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously guys, this is how apple treat their customers. I don't see in anyway apple's stuff are better than any other companies. Overpriced, greedy company.




...
By kjboughton on 3/20/12, Rating: -1
This thing is hot!
By Tony Swash on 3/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: This thing is hot!
By retrospooty on 3/20/2012 1:30:27 PM , Rating: 2
Imagine that. Tony is here and took Apple side in the matter.


RE: This thing is hot!
By nEoMD on 3/20/2012 1:25:22 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, what Tony said.

Well, the new ipad IS selling like hot cakes!

Besides, when it gets hot, I just "throw it on the ground." Maaannn, I'm not going to be part of this sys...oh wait I have applecare. Nevermind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ&ob=av3...


RE: This thing is hot!
By sprockkets on 3/20/2012 1:36:40 PM , Rating: 4
And this is why no one likes you and rates you down: You are a dick.

Go fuck yourself.


RE: This thing is hot!
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/20/2012 1:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's so hot that Apple sold more new iPads In one weekend than 25% of all Android tablets ever.

Good point Tony... I mean customers can always return their new Apple product and buy an Android. :)

But in all seriousness, the iPad 3 has a very impressive spec, approaching the power of netbooks and low-voltage notebooks, but it has no fans and is packed into a much smaller space. It's hard to imagine how it would NOT have heat issues, even with the die-shrunk SoC.

Apple's just lucky that the Android tablets (aside from the Android-derivative cool Kindle Fire) aren't selling well.

Still, this all bodes quite well for Windows 8 tablets.

Windows Phone 7 didn't sell well as phone sales are typically carrier driven, and Microsoft baffling invested virtually nothing in bonus efforts for sales people. If you go in a phone store, employees will try to sell you an iPhone or an Android as they get a commission from those. They won't even mention Windows Phone.

On the other hand, there's much-less platform-specific commissions pressure in the tablet space, so I see Windows 8 tablets doing very, very well. I've personally played with one in depth at IDF, and I can say that based on my initial experience I would rank the tablet OSs in terms of polish as:
1. Windows 8
2. iOS
3. Android ICS

My low ranking for Android was largely due to the fact that the Transformer Prime, with ICS, felt a bit more sluggish than the iPad 2 in my limited fooling around with one.


RE: This thing is hot!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: This thing is hot!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/20/2012 5:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Carriers don't create the demand. It's their job to meet consumer demand. Windows simply isn't creating the demand here.


Microsoft is doing a poor job marketing WP7, there is no question about that. I think putting the name "Windows", something people associate with their desktop, was a mistake. They should have picked different branding. However, carriers have high sales quotas for Android over every other platform, including WP7 and iOS. This extends outside the sales floor, every single billboard by Verizon etc features Android phones and has the little robot mascot. The reason is that carriers have complete control over the platform, something they don't have with other smartphones.

The iPhone sells itself at this point, plus you can buy them from Apple's stores, so that hasn't affected its sales very much. Other platforms like WP7 and BB are much more vulnerable to salespeople actively pushing customers to buy Android. Expect that you're going to get the hard sell for an Android device unless you go in knowing that you want a WP7 or BB, and even then I've heard about salespeople aggressively trying to sway people over.


RE: This thing is hot!
By EnzoFX on 3/20/2012 5:49:11 PM , Rating: 2
iOS clumsy and dated? Really?

If you consider the average consumer, no. Hell multitasking, the only way iOS is a little behind, is still pretty new to the average consumer. They'd use and get by with what it has. I don't see them having a problem with it at all.

Graphically? That's where you lose all credibility. Nothing looks are slick and operates as smooth. Unlike Android, which is probably the most well rounded competition out there. Consider how fragmented Android is, sure people may know the world Galaxy somewhat, but they'd easily get lost in any other names. It's easy to see why they pick an iPhone. Some people on here just don't get the average consumer at all. There's a reason Apple sells, and a reason why they "keep it simple stupid." Both hardware and software.


RE: This thing is hot!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/21/2012 10:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry but until iOS has back and forward functionality, at the OS level, it's inferior and counter-intuitive. Not up for debate. iOS is VERY dated. I simply cannot believe millions of idiots are out there thinking it's acceptable that they have to close whatever app they are running just to do something else.

Marko Ahtisaari of Nokia has the best analogy to describe iOS's convoluted and poorly designed user interface: "the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door."

quote:
Graphically? That's where you lose all credibility. Nothing looks are slick and operates as smooth.


That's absurd! ICS and WP7 are both more "slick" and certainly as smooth depending on phone. This isn't 2008 anymore. Have you even seen Android lately? And please tell me how iOS trumps WP7 and looks and design.

quote:
There's a reason Apple sells, and a reason why they "keep it simple stupid."


No it just goes back to their philosophy of assuming their customers have an IQ around 50, and designing products around that. I guess a back button would be too confusing?


RE: This thing is hot!
By Tony Swash on 3/21/2012 12:29:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
On the other hand, there's much-less platform-specific commissions pressure in the tablet space, so I see Windows 8 tablets doing very, very well. I've personally played with one in depth at IDF, and I can say that based on my initial experience I would rank the tablet OSs in terms of polish as:


Here is an interesting question. Will Apple release a Metro version of iTunes for ARM based Windows 8 tablets? If it doesn't then all the iPod and iPhone owning Windows users will find themselves in a bit of a pickle.


RE: This thing is hot!
By mellomonk on 3/21/2012 3:09:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Here is an interesting question. Will Apple release a Metro version of iTunes for ARM based Windows 8 tablets? If it doesn't then all the iPod and iPhone owning Windows users will find themselves in a bit of a pickle.


That is an interesting question. WP7 & it's Metro interface is probably the slickest phone OS out there. And is surprisingly original and different from iOS & Android. But the combination of poor marketing and lack of sales have left it with a comparatively abysmal App selection. Sadly I am told by those in the know, that it is also a joy to code for. Add it all up and it is still a big Fail so far.

Windows 8 tablets are generating a good deal of hope and they should. But I am already reading about people expecting to run all there old apps and games on them and sadly that is not going to happen. ARM based tablets will be Metro Apps only. MS had better get a good marketing message out there explaining to folks about the difference between traditional Windows applications and Metro Apps. Look at the confusion already in the Windows 8 Consumer Preview. If Win8 sales are sluggish the Metro App world could also be slow to develop. That in turn could be a serious impediment to Win8 tablet sales. Looking back at WP7 doesn't bode well. The backlash against Metro in Win8 CP doesn't either. I think in time the shear numbers will get there, but that could be more then a year or more from now. What will the iPads, Kindle Fires & Transformers of the summer 13' be like? Can MS come back and be a player after being so far behind?


RE: This thing is hot!
By nafhan on 3/20/2012 1:41:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's it, that's the whole story.
Since you have complete and absolute trust in your corporate overlord, this is true, for you. IMO, a large corporation saying "trust us, this isn't a problem" isn't the same thing as there not being a problem.

It's indisputable that 2X battery capacity with the same battery life means this thing will be putting off almost twice as much heat (this does not, however, mean the temp will be 2X as high). The real story will be whether this causes problems in common usage scenarios, like reading outside on a warm day.


RE: This thing is hot!
By kleinma on 3/20/2012 1:58:06 PM , Rating: 2
Tony, why is that expected? Because Apple did it? If it were an android tablet this story was spun around, you would likely be making some pro apple comment on how they did it better.

We all have our biases, but you are so far in one court that your comments really have no meaning anymore.

Every single comment you make is simply translated into: Apple = Good, Everyone else = Bad


RE: This thing is hot!
By retrospooty on 3/20/2012 2:12:22 PM , Rating: 3
"We all have our biases, but you are so far in one court that your comments really have no meaning anymore...... Every single comment you make is simply translated into: Apple = Good, Everyone else = Bad"

Bingo... When someone comes down on one side 100% of the time, no matter what, it's really hard to take them seriously. The funny thing is Tony spends an aweful lot of time typing. He should really just copy paste a standard answer.

"Apple is right, no matter what. Anyone that disagrees with Apple is wrong, no mattter what"

And of course, if its a product related question... "Apple's products are always better than the competition, no matter what"


RE: This thing is hot!
By Arsynic on 3/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: This thing is hot!
By jnemesh on 3/20/2012 3:58:45 PM , Rating: 1
Just because something sells well is no indication of it's quality. I seem to remember Ford selling quite a few Pintos in it's day! Oh, and lets not forget the first (or second) generation Xbox 360! MILLIONS bought that flaming (literally!) POS!


RE: This thing is hot!
By retrospooty on 3/20/2012 4:38:29 PM , Rating: 1
"As for the temperature Apple's position is simple: the new iPad can get warmer than the iPad 2 but that’s expected."

So... People reporting its too hot to hold, and even reports of "users get an error screen telling them that it must cool down before being used" Its setting off its own internal temp sensor. Yes, clearly that is expected. Biased putz.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/users-report-ipad-3-ov...


RE: This thing is hot!
By Tony Swash on 3/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: This thing is hot!
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/20/2012 7:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What do you have so deeply emotionally invested in not liking Apple and it's products?
What do YOU have so deeply emotionally invested in liking Apple and it's products? It goes the other way around too iTool...


RE: This thing is hot!
By Tony Swash on 3/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: This thing is hot!
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/20/2012 9:19:09 PM , Rating: 1
In other words, your a total douche bag, no arguing that.


RE: This thing is hot!
By testerguy on 3/21/12, Rating: 0
RE: This thing is hot!
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/21/12, Rating: 0
RE: This thing is hot!
By hexxthalion on 3/21/2012 7:47:20 AM , Rating: 1
and here we go again, attack of The Retard


RE: This thing is hot!
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/21/2012 10:58:34 AM , Rating: 2
Yet another tool who posts only in Apple forums and defends only Apple...and I am the retard..LOL


RE: This thing is hot!
By hexxthalion on 3/21/2012 11:47:56 AM , Rating: 1
As I already replied to you before, I own devices from different companies, running different operating systems (and develop for them) so I don't know what you're talking about.


RE: This thing is hot!
By blzd on 3/20/2012 8:15:39 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple is right, no matter what. Anyone that disagrees with Apple is wrong, no mattter what"

"Apple's products are always better than the competition, no matter what"

Everyone post the above after every Tony message, maybe he can stop posting once he realizes we're getting the word out for him.


RE: This thing is hot!
By sprockkets on 3/20/2012 8:58:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What kills me about you sad guys - the iPhobes - you know who you are - is that none of you own a new iPad, none of you plan to own one and none of you have even held one in your hands so none of you have the slightest idea whether it feels hot or not. But predictably we get all this facile, faux outrage as you get all huffed up so you can talk up something, anything, that can be said that is negative about the new iPad and about Apple.


No, we don't, but consumer reports did and so did everyone else.

quote:
What do you have so deeply emotionally invested in not liking Apple and it's products? Why do you care? If you don't like Apple just don't buy their products. It's that simple.


I believe you answered your own question:

quote:
I care enough about Apple to defend them in public forums like this because I have used, and loved, countless Apple products for the best part of three decades, I admire the company and seeing Apple crush the competition with one screamingly successfully product after another makes me very, very happy.


In other words: We HATE ELITIST ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WHO WAVE YOUR DICK IN OUR FACE WHEN APPLE HAS XYZ NEWS HAPPEN. GO UCK YOURSELF.


RE: This thing is hot!
By testerguy on 3/21/12, Rating: 0
RE: This thing is hot!
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/21/2012 7:22:27 AM , Rating: 2
As if you have any credibility? LOL


RE: This thing is hot!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/21/2012 5:51:34 AM , Rating: 2
Consumer Reports also said this:

quote:
"During our tests, I held the new iPad in my hands. When it was at its hottest, it felt very warm but not especially uncomfortable if held for a brief period."


I tested two games that use the full native res, one also using 4x anti-aliasing on top of it, and the iPad never got above "warm-ish". Lukewarm. Cell phones downloading with a weak signal, numerous laptops, and my 3DS have all felt hotter to the touch to me, which again isn't very hot at all. Even in their case scenarios of 116 F, that isn't very hot either. Those are typical desert temperatures. Cooking meat at 116 will result in food poisoning. Since when was something like that too hot to handle?

This isn't a hot plate. It does make for sensationalist headlines to drive page hits though, something DT seems to be pretty good at.

You should also chill. Swash can be annoying but it isn't nearly as sad as other peoples outbursts after getting successfully trolled. Nerd tears are like champagne.


RE: This thing is hot!
By retrospooty on 3/21/2012 1:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
"Since when was something like that too hot to handle?"

In other words, you are burying your Applehead in the sand and saying "mine isnt hot, therefore all 3 million others that sold arent hot"

Do you understand the concept of a manufacturing defect? If it happened to 100% of all ipad's it would have been found and fixed. It happens to SOME ipads, and clearly by its complaints on Apple forums its an issue. Probably a very small percentage, but lets not pretend it doesnt exist FFS.


RE: This thing is hot!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/21/2012 6:50:36 PM , Rating: 2
The tone here is that every single iPad will leave burn marks if you hold it for too long.

To be clear, Consumer Reports own account said that it was "warm", and they registered the highest intenral temperature readings out there. People spin the numbers and assume it means people will get scalded, which is stupid.

I'll say it again, since when was something "warm" too hot to handle?

Apple FUD, or any other FUD for that matter, is par for the course on the internet, but that doesn't mean that I can't say that it is a load of BS.

Well, AMD video drivers do suck bigtime, that is one piece of "FUD" I can get behind 100%. >:)


RE: This thing is hot!
By retrospooty on 3/22/2012 7:08:29 AM , Rating: 2
"The tone here is that every single iPad will leave burn marks if you hold it for too long."

No, that isnt the "tone" here. I havent seen that said, nor implied. YOU are too much of a blind fanboy, so when something negative is said about Apple you blow it up to something larger than it is and take it as an insult. Really, think about that.


RE: This thing is hot!
By retrospooty on 3/21/2012 8:52:06 AM , Rating: 2
"none of you own a new iPad, none of you plan to own one and none of you have even held one in your hands so none of you have the slightest idea whether it feels hot or not. "

Really? So all of the ipad owners at the official Apple forums are what? All lying?

Really , go check it out. It seems to be the LCD increasing the heat envelope enough that the rest cant cool itself properly. Many are reporting that turning brightness all the way down helps.


RE: This thing is hot!
By Tony Swash on 3/21/2012 12:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Really? So all of the ipad owners at the official Apple forums are what?

Now that's seriously sad and a little weird. You hate Apple but spend time on the official Apple forum. Frankly you have a much bigger hard on for Apple than almost anyone I know (other than Cheesew1z69 and sprockkets obviously).

MyiPadIsWarmToTheTouchGate will soon be forgotten. Apple will sell 75 million iPads in the next year. All will be well.


RE: This thing is hot!
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/21/2012 1:00:13 PM , Rating: 1
You don't know me at all, obviously...And if you did, I sure as shit wouldn't associate myself with such a lunatic.


RE: This thing is hot!
By retrospooty on 3/21/2012 1:09:00 PM , Rating: 2
"Now that's seriously sad and a little weird. You hate Apple but spend time on the official Apple forum. Frankly you have a much bigger hard on for Apple than almost anyone I know (other than Cheesew1z69 and sprockkets obviously)."

This is where your blindness leads you awry. I do not hate Apple. I dislike one-sided nutjobs that have nothing better to do with their time than spout off one sided nonsense defending their cause no matter what the issue is. Especially when lying like you are. This is an issue, of course not on all ipads', but on enough to become a topic. Its not like 3 or 4 cases got all this exposure and its not going away.

" Apple will sell 75 million iPads in the next year. All will be well."

This is likely true. I am sure Apple will identify the defect and resolve it. It WONT start by them acting like there isn't an issue. It will start with them looking into it and finding the cause and resolving it. Probably an assembly defect.


RE: This thing is hot!
By Tony Swash on 3/21/12, Rating: -1
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