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Microsoft Makes Windows 7 beta Briefly Available to the Public

Although Windows 7 Beta 1 has been making the rounds on torrent sites for the past few weeks, the operating system was first officially made available Thursday to MSDN, TechBeta, and Technet subscribers. Steve Ballmer was quite exuberant about the official release during his keynote at CES.

Friday was the big day for the general public to lay their hands on the Windows 7 beta. However, Microsoft's servers were quickly overloaded and downloaders were greeted with "Server is too busy" errors. Microsoft's official Windows 7 site is graced with the following message:

Thanks for your interest in the Windows 7 Beta. The volume has been phenomenal -- we're in the process of adding more servers to handle the demand. We're sorry for the delay and we'll re-post the Beta as soon as we can ensure a quality download experience.

For those that are simply too impatient to wait until Microsoft's official Windows 7 pages come back online, you can still directly download the 32-bit ISO and 64-bit ISO from Microsoft's servers. However, using the direct link means that you won't get a product activation key from Microsoft. As a result, the installation will go into limited functionality mode after 30 days.

For those that are patient enough to wait for Microsoft’s official download page to come back online, a product key will be provided with your ISO download which will be good for use on up to three different machines. The beta will expire on August 1, 2009.

Updated 1/10/2009
Windows 7 Beta 1 is now available again from Microsoft. You can download the ISO and get a key from this download location.






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moaning, !#@#*ing, crying babies
By armagedon on 1/10/2009 9:16:37 AM , Rating: 5
Eh people, this a beta full fledged OS given FREE to try and experiment. You can't cry and bitch about MS. If you don't want it, then, just pass.
Even after the MS site went down, you could still find the direct link download on forums. I got it last night with no fuss and download @ 700KB/sec. You get 30 days (+60 more with re-arming).I passed on Vista but 7 looks really neat and i begin to be interested. I install Crysis on it and for the first time run DX10, it's beautiful. XP is damn good but it's beginning to show it's age. So I'll have a look at 7 in the next months. But please stop crying about devil MS, like it or not, we owe them a lot ...




RE: moaning, !#@#*ing, crying babies
By SkateNY on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: moaning, !#@#*ing, crying babies
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:06:11 PM , Rating: 3
First of all, wondering how you related Armagedon's comment to dominatrices, but that is beside the fact. Now, as with any other company, Microsoft has made mistakes. But as a whole, it has always been a reliable company.
There really is no room for you to complain that you can't download it right now, as they are working on the problem, and it's not like you paid to get the product. It's damn generous of them.
Oh, and stop with the "I know you are, but what am I" routine, SkateNY.


RE: moaning, !#@#*ing, crying babies
By SkateNY on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: moaning, !#@#*ing, crying babies
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:29:34 PM , Rating: 2
Did you get that off a fortune cookie? Anyway, just more of the same routine with you.


By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 1:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
Can also hardly be described as a temper tantrum.


By ninjaquick on 1/11/2009 1:18:57 AM , Rating: 3
Define service pack.

Heres what i found (quote and google it for the link).

"A service pack (in short SP) is a collection of updates, fixes and/or enhancements to a software program delivered in the form of a single installable package. Many companies, such as Microsoft or Autodesk, typically release a service pack when the number of individual patches to a given program reaches a certain (arbitrary) limit. Installing a service pack is easier and less error-prone than installing a high number of patches individually, even more so when updating multiple computers over a network."

Summarize: Its a bunch of small security and bug fixes, rolled into one easy to use package.

Here is operating system:

"An operating system (commonly abbreviated OS and O/S) is the infrastructure software component of a computer system; it is responsible for the management and coordination of activities and the sharing of the limited resources of the computer. The operating system acts as a host for applications that are run on the machine. As a host, one of the purposes of an operating system is to handle the details of the operation of the hardware"

Sumarized: Its a big piece of software that is composed of multiple program and application layers.

Lets see you install a service pack on a blank hard drive and see how that works out for you.

read up before you post, otherwise you sound like a twit swinging his twat around trying to get some attention.


Adding more servers?
By jimmi on 1/10/2009 4:08:13 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
we're in the process of adding more servers to handle the demand


They only need to add one server: a BitTorrent tracker.




RE: Adding more servers?
By ImSpartacus on 1/11/2009 5:16:31 PM , Rating: 2
Amen. MS should just release it as a torrent and throw all its servers in as seeders. Yes, it's a bit harder for the standard noob to understand how to use torrents, but these betas aren't exactly user-friendly, right?


RE: Adding more servers?
By zshift on 1/12/2009 11:30:25 AM , Rating: 2
OMG that was my first though lol.
w00t for torrents. and with this number of people downloading it it would absolutely lighten microsoft's server load and save them money. honestly, torrents CAN actually be used for legal downloads.


RE: Adding more servers?
By rubyxc7 on 1/12/2009 1:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
Like Linux distros? I don't know if Microsoft wants people to think thats a legal download. ;)


Public Beta Keys Still Available
By GeorgeH on 1/10/2009 4:06:25 AM , Rating: 2
Public beta keys are still being handed out (I just got one.)

The how is a little convoluted, but cruise over to Microsoft's TechNet Windows 7 Beta forums and do a little digging. All the info is there for those willing to spend 15 minutes connecting the dots.




By duzytata on 1/10/2009 7:56:46 AM , Rating: 2
I was able to do some digging on slickdeals and scored me a x64 Key. It wasn't hard, just time consuming. I hope the Key distribution system is working by tomorrow afternoon. I'd like to get another key for my Desktop before I go work.


RE: Public Beta Keys Still Available
By just4U on 1/10/2009 1:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
I was just at the win7 site. Everything is up and running normally now. People should be able to get their keys and download.


OMG unlimited KEYS!
By zshift on 1/12/2009 11:35:00 AM , Rating: 2
https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productke...

and
https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productke...

each refresh of the pages gives a new product key for 64 and 32 bits, respectively :-)




RE: OMG unlimited KEYS!
By jonmcc33 on 1/12/2009 1:48:45 PM , Rating: 2
Now try and send a feedback report with those.


By flipityflop on 1/10/2009 8:15:22 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft currently uses Limelight CDN to host download.microsoft.com.

nslookup download.microsoft.com (at the time) shows llnwd.net addresses. llnwd is Limelight Networks. Who knows if microsoft will continue using them after this.

Microsoft can only be blamed for using a cheap CDN. Limelight is the one who should be flamed.




legit keys
By plonk420 on 1/11/2009 7:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
seems there's just a small set of keys they're using. and no free licenses for reporting bugs :(

64bit: JYDV8-H8VXG-74RPT-6BJPB-X42V4

32bit: 4HJRK-X6Q28-HWRFY-WDYHJ-K8HDH

more here from originator of post (turns out i'm using the first one listed):

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1087813&c...




Why does this even matter?
By ImSpartacus on 1/11/2009 4:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
You can get both the x86 and x64 version on a torrent site and use both of them for a month without a key. Not to mention the direct download links still work. Everyone is acting like the sky is falling.




Netbooks take notice.
By teckytech9 on 1/12/2009 1:27:20 AM , Rating: 2
Fear not of Vista, netbook manufacturers. Windows 7 to the rescue!

Then add a touch screen, 32nm Atom w/Nvidia ION chipset, USB 3.0 and lets see how this thing rocks.




Awesome for a Beta!!!
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/12/2009 7:14:08 AM , Rating: 2
If it weren't because of the "report this" links on each window, I'd be hard pressed to know that it's a beta.

The 64bit version I've installed, has great hardware compatibility and uses Vista's drivers without a hitch, something I couldn't say about Vista as soon as it came out (it's logical though, as Win 7 is sort of a revamped windows vista and not a complete from-the-ground-up redesign).

Installation is a breeze: it's almost like throwing in an unattended install: boot from installation disk, install files, reboot and start using.

Stability seems to be rock solid (as is Vista's for me)... and the big surprise:

My core temperatures at idle are way lower than those on Vista, as reported by speedfan 4.37 (which reports the same temps for me as coretemp).

I need to further test this as it looks to good to be true, but if anyone found something similar (or otherwise), please do tell!




Windows 7 looks good thus far
By Lerianis on 1/13/2009 11:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
All my programs work with it, save for Daemon Tools.... which I was expecting that it wouldn't work with Windows 7, since Microsoft absolutely HATES that kind of software.

I've found a few problems with it (the biggest being a crash and reproducible crash that happens when you run Google Chrome and Windows Defender Full Scan together)... but they are mainly small annoyances.

I'm absolutely LOVING the new Libraries function... I never understood why they had all those directories, when I only use Documents, Music, Pictures and Videos, as well as the Downloads directory.

Now... it's a LOT cleaner.




Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By toddlorensinclair on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 7:43:46 AM , Rating: 2
Well, thanks to neowin.net i've got my 64bit key from:
https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/scripts/g...

IMPORTANT, first go to technet and login or it won't work.
Just change the 64 for a 32 for the 32 bit.


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 7:49:56 AM , Rating: 2
Extra note: it can take several tries to get it (including some 404s)

Be very patient.


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 10:25:47 AM , Rating: 2
Wow... after only another 4 hour of trying i've got my 32bit key! Keep trying. Hint: use check4Change add-on for FireFox. It works wonders.


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By Spivonious on 1/10/2009 11:56:24 AM , Rating: 2
I just get redirected to the Windows 7 page.


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 12:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like they changed the redirect. It used to point to a different page. I don't have the link ATM but will post as soon as I get it (it's on a different machine)


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 1:03:41 PM , Rating: 2
Update: Found it!

direct link to 64bit keys:
https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productke...

direct link to 32bit keys:
https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productke...

Direct link to info and sign-up (not necessary)
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd35...

The last link may change again back to something like 'Available Soon' but the other two works fine.


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By Rodney McNaggerton on 1/10/2009 3:43:51 PM , Rating: 2
Thus far I've picked up 3 different 64 bit keys, is this supposed to happen?


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 3:53:32 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah,, I think this is a dumb you got here so you get one type of deals. they keys isn't linked to anything.


RE: Windows Beta Release Debacle ...
By walk2k on 1/10/2009 2:55:26 PM , Rating: 2
Working fine for me.


Massive Failure
By FuzionMonkey on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Massive Failure
By ninjaquick on 1/10/2009 2:54:07 AM , Rating: 5
Yeah, cuz a free OS for a few months is something a company really wants to back. And even you could have foreseen a huge surge in traffic even after the vista flop.

The beta was launched, you can still download it.

So, im not sure how they failed miserably...


RE: Massive Failure
By PhatoseAlpha on 1/10/2009 3:03:45 AM , Rating: 3
He said MSDN subscribers. Do you know how much an MSDN subscription costs? Free it is not.


RE: Massive Failure
By Samus on 1/10/2009 4:18:27 AM , Rating: 1
I got it on torrent in an hour...


RE: Massive Failure
By on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Massive Failure
By themaster08 on 1/10/2009 6:20:12 AM , Rating: 5
-1 for being 10 years old!


RE: Massive Failure
By Dark Legion on 1/10/2009 6:35:22 AM , Rating: 5
No, -1 because he is PLAYSTATIONTHREE


RE: Massive Failure
By BansheeX on 1/10/2009 8:01:17 PM , Rating: 1
It's a fraud account by one of the admins. His entire post history is -1s, yet he hasn't been banned. His responses are intentionally stupid and inflammatory. And he's named himself the thing he wants people to hate.


RE: Massive Failure
By sweetsauce on 1/11/09, Rating: 0
RE: Massive Failure
By ninjaquick on 1/11/09, Rating: 0
RE: Massive Failure
By on 1/11/09, Rating: -1
RE: Massive Failure
By cheetah2k on 1/11/2009 5:57:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I will compel you to kick me, ban me,ban me permanently or kill me in real life all your stupid life long,trust me on this hahaha

Admin is the one of those fools who targets to dictate you,to manipulate you,to own you but bans you if he can't succeed in it, loser :D


Isnt this the 2nd time you've used this comment? Can't you think of something original? Now go back to Kindy and suck your thumb.


RE: Massive Failure
By on 1/12/09, Rating: 0
RE: Massive Failure
By tedrodai on 1/12/2009 9:33:31 AM , Rating: 2
What have the 10-year-olds done to you to deserve being compared to this person?


RE: Massive Failure
By spread on 1/10/2009 10:31:35 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see why he's still here. All his comments are rated down so most people don't read them.


RE: Massive Failure
By retrospooty on 1/10/2009 11:00:28 AM , Rating: 2
The rebirth of beenthere/cornfedone.

Either that or total ignorance and asshattery is alot more prominent than I previously thought.


RE: Massive Failure
By Motoman on 1/10/2009 1:04:12 PM , Rating: 2
..."only two things are infinite. The universe, and human ignorance. And I'm not so sure about the former..."

- Einstein.

...although, in PS3's case, "ignorance" should probably be replaced by "blinding idiocy."


RE: Massive Failure
By emoser96 on 1/10/2009 1:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
I always read PS3's comments. They help me to remember why people once thought eugenics was a good idea. I am against it (as is almost everybody, I hope), but at least I can see the ideology's point of view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics


RE: Massive Failure
By foolsgambit11 on 1/10/2009 7:03:33 PM , Rating: 2
Bah, no need for eugenics. PLAYSTATIONTHREE was once normal. Then he performed a self-trepanation, and he hasn't been the same since. Bart Huges apparently claims that through trepanation "one can return to an earlier, childlike state of consciousness" - that definitely describes PS3.

This passage on Wikipedia always gives me the heebly-jeeblies:

"At the time the passage below was written, Joey [Mellen] and his partner, Amanda Feilding, had made two previous attempts at trepanning Mellen. The second attempt ended up placing Mellen in the hospital, where he was reprimanded severely and sent for psychiatric evaluation. After he returned home, Mellen decided to try again. He describes his third attempt at self-trepanation:
quote:
"After some time there was an ominous sounding schlurp and the sound of bubbling. I drew the trepan out and the gurgling continued. It sounded like air bubbles running under the skull as they were pressed out. I looked at the trepan and there was a bit of bone in it. At last!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanation


RE: Massive Failure
By tcsenter on 1/10/2009 5:42:47 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
He said MSDN subscribers. Do you know how much an MSDN subscription costs? Free it is not.

MSDN and TechNet subscribers have been able to download it since Thursday (the 8th) and are not affected.

It was the public (non-subscriber) download servers that were overloaded.


RE: Massive Failure
By croc on 1/10/2009 6:37:14 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm... We here in AUS must get to a different set of servers then, even when using the IP and not the 'www.' name. 404 errors on both servers for several hours yesterday.


RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:21:03 PM , Rating: 4
With a MSDN Subscription you can access:
Developer Tools
Development and Test licenses
Exclusive access to pre-release products
Licenses for general business use
Technical Support Incidents
Managed Newsgroups Support
Online Concierge
MSDN Library
MSDN Magazine
MSDN Flash
Discounted Microsoft and MSDN events tickets
Partner offerings

Bottom line is, free and cheap it is not (at it's lowest, about $700 new, $500 to renew yearly), but NO MSDN subscriber has subscribed solely for the purpose to download the Win7 beta for free. If they did, they're an idiot.
The Win7 beta download is just another perk. Icing on the cake, if you will, and MSDN subscribers have nothing to complain about.


RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:35:34 PM , Rating: 1
With a MSDN Subscription you can access:
Developer Tools
Development and Test licenses
Exclusive access to pre-release products
Licenses for general business use
Technical Support Incidents
Managed Newsgroups Support
Online Concierge
MSDN Library
MSDN Magazine
MSDN Flash
Discounted Microsoft and MSDN events tickets
Partner offerings

Bottom line is, free or cheap it is not (at it's lowest, $700 new, $500 to renew), but NO MSDN subscriber got a subscription solely to download the Win7 beta. If they did, they're an idiot. It's just another perk, icing on the cake, if you will, and MSDN subscribers have absolutely no reason to complain.


RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:36:40 PM , Rating: 1
With a MSDN Subscription you can access:
Developer Tools
Development and Test licenses
Exclusive access to pre-release products
Licenses for general business use
Technical Support Incidents
Managed Newsgroups Support
Online Concierge
MSDN Library
MSDN Magazine
MSDN Flash
Discounted Microsoft and MSDN events tickets
Partner offerings

Bottom line is, free or cheap it is not (at it's lowest, $700 new, $500 to renew), but NO MSDN subscriber got a subscription solely to download the Win7 beta. If they did, they're an idiot. It's just another perk, icing on the cake, if you will, and MSDN subscribers have absolutely no reason to complain.


RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:39:09 PM , Rating: 1
Oops, sorry it didn't post that where I expected it to. As such I posted it multiple times.


RE: Massive Failure
By ninjaquick on 1/11/2009 1:21:51 AM , Rating: 2
MSDN subscribers are on different servers, its the free side of the deal that crashed.


RE: Massive Failure
By SkateNY on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:42:20 PM , Rating: 2
Anger always comes from frustrated expectations, and to expect failure is nine-tenths of failure itself.


RE: Massive Failure
By SkateNY on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/12/2009 2:22:26 AM , Rating: 1
Define failure: 90% of the OS market share? With that, one can logically say that general computing would not be as far or as prevalent if not for the success of Windows and Microsoft. Microsoft can hardly be described as reliable failure.

quote:
Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.
Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

quote:
Success isn't permanent, and failure isn't fatal.
Mike Ditka (1939 - )

Now, here's a question for you SkateNY, what OS do you use?


RE: Massive Failure
By gescom on 1/12/2009 1:12:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
what OS do you use?


fedora core 6 64.
fedora core 9 64.
ubuntu 8.1

That is what I use.
I believe it's the same as with OSX - once you start using it there's no chance for winblows.


RE: Massive Failure
By walk2k on 1/10/2009 3:56:58 PM , Rating: 3
Well then why don't you post your OS/office suite/web browser/multimedia server/player and development environment so we can all evalutate it.

Oh that's right you don't have one, you're just some nobody dweeb posting trash on a blog.


RE: Massive Failure
By inighthawki on 1/11/2009 10:10:32 PM , Rating: 2
His average comment rating is 0.00 exactly, so he's either trolling or just ignorant. Ignoring him is the best approach, always works for me :P


RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:37:14 PM , Rating: 2
With a MSDN Subscription you can access:
Developer Tools
Development and Test licenses
Exclusive access to pre-release products
Licenses for general business use
Technical Support Incidents
Managed Newsgroups Support
Online Concierge
MSDN Library
MSDN Magazine
MSDN Flash
Discounted Microsoft and MSDN events tickets
Partner offerings

Bottom line is, free or cheap it is not (at it's lowest, $700 new, $500 to renew), but NO MSDN subscriber got a subscription solely to download the Win7 beta. If they did, they're an idiot. It's just another perk, icing on the cake, if you will, and MSDN subscribers have absolutely no reason to complain.


RE: Massive Failure
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 1:06:42 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention the restriction on use of the software. They cannot be used for production, only testing and development if I remember correctly.


RE: Massive Failure
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 1:26:32 PM , Rating: 2
I am pretty sure that the restrictions only apply to the 120-day trial software. That's pretty much the point of getting an MSDN subscription, is to produce the software.


RE: Massive Failure
By gmyx on 1/10/2009 2:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, my bad choice of lingo. What I meant by production is daily/regular use that falls outside of testing and development. At work we call this the production environment. This is what is not really allowed if I remember correctly.


RE: Massive Failure
By wetwareinterface on 1/10/2009 8:15:38 PM , Rating: 2
msdn material is only limited to testing and development for the operating systems and server software portions of the packages. the dev tools and sdks are normal use licenses as is outlook and the office products. you do get to install one operating system for normal usage as long as you also develop on it as well. the thing most people don't grasp about msdn subscriptions is that just because there's 10 installs per product key doesn't mean 10 licenses to use said product. it's all single user licensed to one person. however if you the developer install xp say on 10 different testing stations and have 10 testers use those stations to test your application you developed under xp then the license covers that.

it's kinda tricky licensing but it basically boils down to if you are doing dev work and it's dev related you are basically covered. if you install something like exchange server and the company uses it for the email system it's not covered.


This race was over a long time ago.
By SkateNY on 1/11/09, Rating: -1
"Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."
By crystal clear on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
By themaster08 on 1/10/2009 7:51:46 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you in some respects.

I believe Vista was released an an "unfinished" Windows 7, due to public pressure to release another OS. Microsoft had no choice but to release what they already had.

But just because visually there isn't much of a difference, it doesn't mean that it's not a completely different OS.
Think of Mac OSX. The appearance has not significantly changed since OSX was released, yet 10.1-10.5 are all still classed as different OS's


By retrospooty on 1/10/2009 10:56:53 AM , Rating: 2
You can view it as an update all you want... But Vista has issues and is bloated... 7 resolves that (I ran 7 beta on a P4 2.66ghz with 512mb ram and its fast.

The vast majority of the market is still on XP, and only a small amount in using Vista, most will go from XP to 7, so in that sense its a major OS release. If you have Vista now and find it problematic, its still a must have...

My point is this... Update, or major OS release, its going to be massively popular, partly due to the fact that its really nice, and partly due to Vista's slow adoption.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2009 2:44:43 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Yes indeed the current Vista users deserve it as an UPDATE..


No, you really don't.

You can and will pay like the rest of us.


RE: "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."
By walk2k on 1/10/2009 6:31:10 PM , Rating: 2
If you have Vista now you can buy the upgrade version of W7.

I don't think they will allow upgrades from XP to W7.


By retrospooty on 1/11/2009 12:13:10 PM , Rating: 2
Lika all MS OS's the "upgrade" is not really about one version to the next. You can install the upgrade from a newly formatted hard drive, without any previous install. It has always been that way, Win7 wont be any different. Just type in your curernt Win7 product key, then it will ask for your previous product key (from Vista, or XP, or prolly even 2000) and your good to go.


By inighthawki on 1/11/2009 12:52:29 PM , Rating: 2
That's not 100% true, with vista the only way to do that was to do a full install and then upgrade from that install since the licensing was different. Not sure about xp though, never tried.


By retrospooty on 1/11/2009 1:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it is... I have Vista premium SP1 upgrade and you do NOT need a previously installed OS on the hard drive.


By inighthawki on 1/11/2009 4:33:46 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting, i recall people saying they tried that and it didnt work, so they had to use that method i said above, but i clearly cannot argue with someone who says theyve done it...


By retrospooty on 1/12/2009 11:19:37 AM , Rating: 2
Its been a while... and I honestly dont know if it just worked right off the bat, or if I had to "Finagle" it... I will try to try again and post back if time permits later.


By retrospooty on 1/12/2009 10:50:09 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, no finagling... I put in the DVD and an unpartitioned hard drive in my laptop and booted from the CD. No issues whatsover. In fact, it didnt even ask me for an old product key. If I wasnt for the cheap cost, and reading the word "upgrade" on the Box and the DVD itself, I would never even know its an upgrade DVD. Works exactly like a regular install DVD.

Maybe there was an issue with the original non-SP/1 DVD's ?


By crystal clear on 1/13/2009 2:01:16 AM , Rating: 1
Then you are very ignorant indeed.....

Heres something for you to make you realize that you should think twice before responding to my comments as I am ready with my response (provided I have the TIME to respond) as my comments are well researched by me before I post them.

Buy a Vista PC as of July 1, upgrade to Windows 7 for free

http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2009...

Be patient you will hear more in the future-

Yes indeed the current Vista users deserve it as an UPDATE..

and yes start rating me down....I like to see my comments in RED...


RE: "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."
By spread on 1/10/2009 11:05:48 AM , Rating: 3
There have been enough changes to make it a new OS.

Like Windows 2000 & XP.


By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 11:44:11 AM , Rating: 1
I agree with Retrospooty. Vista was bloated and cumbersome, to say the least, and SP1 did little to change that. But let's say that Windows 7 is Vista after quadruple bypass surgery. The core (heart) of the OS is working much better now.
There have been enough changes to say that it is a new OS, not the least of which is the touch capabilities.


By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 11:45:25 AM , Rating: 2
Also, to say that Vista was just polished is to admit your ignorance in the matter.


RE: "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."
By B3an on 1/10/2009 12:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
I've was using 32-Bit Win7 for sometime. I'm now using the 64-Bit flavour, and it's very good. By far the best OS i'ves used and it's not even finished.

Some improvements worth mentioning....

- Even though i have the 32-Bit version so only 3GB RAM of my 12GB of installed RAM is used, it's atleast as responsive as Vista x64 with the full 12GB in use.
Games also load atleast as fast even with only 3GB RAM in use.
- Installation is very easy and fast, with less restarts. More simple than Vista's install which was already a big improvement over XP.
- Boots up faster and shuts down faster than Vista or XP. Even with my Vista install on a vastly quicker SSD drive and Win7 on a normal HDD, Win7 is still faster at this.
- Very stable, no crashes yet - Impressive for a first Beta.
- HDD performance seems faster even though in synthetic benchmarks i'm getting the same results.
- UAC is still there but less annoying and does not bother you as much (obviously you can easily turn it off, so i've never understood why people moan about it anyway).
- Drivers, Games and Software that work on Vista, work on Windows 7. Drivers/Games with OS detection will sometimes not install though, displaying a message that Vista is not the OS (like X-Fi drivers). BUT for anything that has this just run the installer in Vista compatibility mode.
- Driver/Software installs are definitely quicker! - Nvidia drivers installed about 5x faster than on Vista. Same with X-Fi, keyboard/mouse, and Cam drivers.
- The new taskbar, or "SuperBar" is very nice and customisable with some clever features. But the default setting is just stupid (no text only icons are displayed and windows are clumped together). You can cutomise it to look how it did before. I have it somewhere in between.
- Slightly less processes running.
- Less memory usage.
- ClearType tuning (comes in handy if you think ClearType blurs fonts too much).
- MS Paint has finally been updated since... XP? Win2K?
- New Media Center.
- New Windows Media Player (Version 12).
- Display Colour Calibration Wizard in Control Panel.
- Other small things like Gadgets can be placed anywhere, one click shutdown button, more customisable in general...
- And stuff worth mentioning that i haven't been able to try: 48-Bit colour support (no GFX cards support this yet), Improved SSD performance, MultiTouch Screen features.


By B3an on 1/10/2009 12:16:17 PM , Rating: 2
Ah sorry about spelling errors!


By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 12:27:23 PM , Rating: 2
Also worth mentioning is that HDD performance got a boost in Vista SP1 as well. I can't remember what they did wrong that needed fixing... something about the way they were trasferring files.


By jtesoro on 1/10/2009 12:58:17 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if it'll now let me transfer .exe and .zip files across the network (XP Home to Vista). Backing up and synching data across PCs with Vista is a pain.


By crystal clear on 1/13/2009 2:31:32 AM , Rating: 1
All what you write in your detailed ( very good indeed ) post can be summarized as-

"Windows Vista is good, Windows 7 is Windows Vista with clean-up in user interface [and] improvements in performance," Ballmer said.


By crystal clear on 1/13/2009 2:23:41 AM , Rating: 2
Oh really...

I wish I had the time to respond earlier....

After the initial excitement has faded away & in the course of time you will realize "how polished" it is that deserves the title of this comment-

Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."

also

Yes indeed the current Vista users deserve it as an UPDATE..


By Aloonatic on 1/10/2009 12:42:22 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe it's just my memory, or perhaps a UK thing but....

... Was Win 2K ever fully released as an operating system for business and for the home user?

When I talk to many people in the UK they are mostly unaware of Win 2k's existence at all, unless they used it at work.

It seemed to be a Win NT type business release that was rather good and MS took it (and it's stability), gave it a nice little face lift, called it XP and sold it to home users to whom it seemed to be a massive update from win 98 SE or Win ME, if they were unlucky enough to have used that abomination of an OS on their home PC.

At least, it was like that over here in the UK, was it different in the US or elsewhere?


RE: "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."
By Motoman on 1/10/2009 1:02:10 PM , Rating: 2
...I have no idea what did or didn't happen in the UK, but Win2K Pro was widespread as a consumer OS over here. Was the preferred platform, clearly, over WinMe and the rest of the 9x series. Win2K Pro was all over the place. Probably still is...in fact, I just replaced a 10-year old PC I built for a friend who was still running Win2K Pro (on a 800Mhz Athlon!)...I'd upgraded it from 9x to Win2K Pro right when it came out. Rock solid the whole time.

Initially, IIRC, there were some incompatibilities with games when it came out (as a transition from 9x), but after a while it became the target OS for gamers too.


By kmmatney on 1/10/2009 4:52:57 PM , Rating: 2
I (and a lot of other people I know) switched immediately to Win2K for home use when it came out. For me, it was the first OS that Microsoft did right - great stability, NTFS and Fat32 support, USB support, plug-and-play, and good power saving features. I still have it one one computer at home, and as of yet, I still haven't run into any gaming compatibility problems (but haven't tried any games release in the last year or so). About the only compatability problems I've ever had with Win2K are some newer antivirus programs. Win2K did not come pre-installed on your typpical cheap big-store computer, but a lot of people upgraded to it. It also helped that it wasn't really copy protected. It's a fantastic OS just for testing a computer, or temporary build to test out parts.


By foolsgambit11 on 1/10/2009 7:12:59 PM , Rating: 2
For consumers, the Windows you'd find preinstalled on a box were 95, 98, ME, XP. Enthusiasts switched over to 2k from ME because 2k was actually stable, and was polished enough for even non-IT gurus to use. But it was never an official consumer OS, and wasn't licensed to OEMs for install on new PCs.


By Aloonatic on 1/12/2009 4:16:38 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for that :)

That's pretty much what I thought but I wasn't sure. That Win2K was never really a full release for the whole market is a point that I think needs to be raised when people start going on about the tie between the release of win2K and XP in comparison to Vista and win7.

I guess I was like a lot of people here who installed a copy of win2K by themselves when it wasn't that well known in the consumer space. Then heard people going on about how great XP was a while later but didn't really see what all the fuss was about until they remembered how much better and easier to use win2K was compared to 98.


By Belard on 1/14/2009 1:13:59 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft had 7 yeArs to work on vista... its offered little value, in general to all.

One of my friends, who used vista for 6 months and eventually moved back to XP, tells me that Win7 beta is nicer. I personally don't like vista, it has a bad taste.

Its slow, eats memory, crashes, locks up, won't wake up, won't shut down, not compatible with this or that. And yes, I am aware that many people are running fine with it.

But many don't have time to play around with a flaky OS when WindowsXP works. Win7 has to work fast without disabling the security features... to make it usable. If Vista has to be "downgraded" to be used, then what is the point?

Win3 = sucked, fake OS
Win95 = OS, sucked bad... more real, but sucked.
Win98 = Stable, usable... reliable
Win4 = can be stable, when it feels like it... sucked. SP were a nightmare.
Win2000 = stable... looks like win98... worked.
XP = Activation sucks, pretty Win2000 - dark side of force, OS-X clone (weak)... but usable.
Vista = lip-stick on a pig...
Win7 = TBA... but looking good.


By GoodBytes on 1/10/2009 12:17:36 PM , Rating: 3
The ONLY service pack ever released from Microsoft that offered you new features to the user is XP Service Pack 2.
All other Service Pack's was just a bunch of grouped updates which were released before, newly released, or was under beta testing, some performance upgarde. At most, you will get new features to adapt the OS with the newer one (usually networking, like XP SP3), and features ultra demanded and easy to implement (ie: drive selection for Vista defrag tool).


RE: "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."
By croc on 1/10/2009 8:01:52 PM , Rating: 2
NT 4, service pack 4, service pack 6, and to a lesser extent service pack 2. All failed to a lesser or greater degree because of 'new features' SP 4 in particular, as it totally borked the browser and the only resolution was a complete re-install of NT4, SP3.

I am sure there were others as well....


By Belard on 1/14/2009 1:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
Ah I remember that mess... Win98 was far better than Win4, but of course Win9x has its limitations.

Heres my WinNT4 nightmare.
Install ZIP drive, requires driver to work. okay.
Install a software package that requires SP4. After SP4, ZIP drive no work anymore. Reinstall ZIP driver, software no work anymore... until SP4 reinstalled... Repeat.

Both never ever worked.

PS: ZIP drives were High capacity Floppy drives (cheap soft version of hard drives, portable) - 1.44mb vs 100mb / 250mb. Back in 1997, a 100mb internal ZIP drive was $100... it was a main cheap backup solution for data. I used the much faster SCSI version, some used the slow printer-port version ugh!


By bfonnes on 1/12/2009 5:56:13 PM , Rating: 2
I don't recall any new, wonderful "features" that Microsoft added to XP sp2 other than to turn on features by default that never should've been off by default to begin with as the only reason they were off was to eliminate service calls, i.e. Windows Firewall. Too bad, they got screwed by that worm in 2003 and had to release a service pack to save face. Windows Firewall came with the original release, but was turned off by default!


By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 1:17:57 PM , Rating: 3
First of all, Vista can hardly be descrobed as crap. Second of all, yes you can polish turds. Mythbusters for the win.
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polish...


By Cerberus90 on 1/12/2009 4:53:10 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose I should have ended with more smileys.

I have been using vista 64bit for ages and love it.


RE: "Polish doesn't change quartz into a diamond."
By Jeff7181 on 1/10/09, Rating: 0
By foolsgambit11 on 1/10/2009 7:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
More refined, sure. In the same way XP was a more refined version of NT. I knew NT users who weren't interested in moving to XP, but none of them complained that XP was pointless or that it should have been a service pack for NT/2000.


By noirsoft on 1/10/2009 8:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The only complaint I still have about Windows is that it can't consistently restore my wireless connection when resuming from Standby.


Clearly a driver issue and not a Windows problem at all. I have several PCs with wireless (at least 4 laptops since XP came out, 3 desktops with Wireless) and have never had that problem under Vista. I don't recall havint that problem with XP either, but only have one computer with XP left on it, and I don't use standby on it.


By Spivonious on 1/12/2009 9:50:46 AM , Rating: 2
Vista takes 10-15 seconds to restore my wireless connection from sleep.

7 beta takes <1 second. It's truly amazing how fast Windows 7 is.


Since...
By CyberHawk on 1/10/09, Rating: -1
RE: Since...
By spread on 1/10/2009 11:07:48 AM , Rating: 2
Then you don't know how to use it, or you tried installing it on that old PC you found in your basement.

I have Vista on mine. It runs faster than XP. The only catch is that it uses more RAM and you have to tweak it.


RE: Since...
By lordcheeto on 1/10/2009 11:49:00 AM , Rating: 3
Spread is right. It's really all about how you use it. Like many have said, Vista is bloated. But that doesn't mean it's slow or weak. Just ask an NFL linbacker.


RE: Since...
By vortex222 on 1/11/2009 5:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
i find i even tweak xp heavy to my liking. Vista was no different, and after that i have found it a wonderful OS. I will not go back to XP on my primary box.

That is not to say that xp is garbage or anything. XP is amazing, as MS has had a long time to perfect it. That gave Vista a hard role to fill. But since SP1 vista has been great for me.


RE: Since...
By lordcheeto on 1/12/2009 1:47:46 AM , Rating: 2
Also, keep in mind that with nLite and vLite, you can trim an XP or Vista install, and that it will run better going that route as well.


RE: Since...
By lotharamious on 1/12/2009 11:22:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The only catch is that it uses more RAM and you have to tweak it.
What do you have to tweak? I have a q6600 and 4GB of DDR2-800 RAM, all running stock and Vista 64 runs like greased lighting.

It does use more RAM. But when 4 gigs cost ~$40 on the egg, what's the problem people?


RE: Since...
By rubyxc7 on 1/12/2009 1:31:18 PM , Rating: 2
I'd bet that a lot of people haven't upgraded to quad-cores/4 gigs. I built a machine a couple months ago that I'll be converting into a media center later but its running 5200+ X2 and 2 gigs of DDR-1066.

Boots Vista faster than XP boots on my laptop. Runs apps and games quick. Granted my laptop has a years worth of work on it and more apps but still, Vista is very nice. I agree with you, not quite where what kind of problems people have really had with it. I don't feel any sort of bloat on it other than it eats up more RAM and idle's the CPU 3% higher than XP does.


RE: Since...
By gcouriel on 1/12/2009 1:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need QC's or 4GB of ram. i went from XP to Vista running on my Pentium M 1.6Ghz, with 2GB of Ram, and it is noticeably faster than XP. i'm happy with the performance increase, and the added security.


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